Whatever he said, I’m sure wingnut heads exploded. Mainly because it doesn’t matter what he says, these people are so nuts they read nefarious plots into everything he utters, including “good morning” and “good night”.
There is so much money to deport people and the President has used that money. He has deported more than any other President but he has used it in the right way. If the repubs want him to deport more than put in the billions necessary or stfu.
It will be repeated at 11pm according to the schedule.
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JPL
@Pogonip: Yup .. he was kidding. The President did forcefully mention that it was not a both sides do it issue. Ron Fournier is on a fainting couch, as I type.
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JPL
I have to thank Raven for the heads up about the program and I have to thank the President. The President took his gloves off and is pointing fingers at one party. It’s about fking time. Thank you Pres.
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WaterGirl
@muddy: What did I miss? What is the occasion for the president to be having a town hall?
Edit: never mind, I see from a comment by raven in another thread that it’s about immigration.
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Arm The Homeless
As a man of latin@ descent, I would like to offer conservatives my nuanced opinion regarding their immigration rhetoric: ¡Chupa mi pinga, cabrone!
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mai naem mobile
I don’t think i can handle a Bush being president after the most articulate BHO. I could possibly handle an inarticulate Bush after,say, a President Al Sharpton, but that’s about it.
I wish latin@ in Texas felt the same. From what I hear, their voting rates are much lower than everywhere else.
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JPL
@WaterGirl: He really took his gloves off. Normally the President will strike a middle ground but not in this case. He mentioned several times that there was a bill that would have passed if Boehner brought it to the floor. He was asked why he didn’t bring it up when first elected and it was an excuse me moment. Do you mean when the economy was tanking an your community had sky rocketing unemployment rates?
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Arm The Homeless
@Baud: I suspect that may change quickly depending on whether Clinton is smart enough to tap Castro (not that one) as her Veep. Although that may be too glib, considering he has not proven he can win a statewide race in Tejas.
20.
Hildebrand
@Baud: Yes, indeed. I was so happy to hear the President address this directly – telling folks they bloody well have to vote if they want to see constructive change. I tell my students this almost every day – you want things to get better, then you best participate in the process.
IIRC, Texas is the only state where Latinos were subject to official Jim Crow laws. I think the hangover from those laws is sticking with us far more than anyone wants to admit.
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Hildebrand
@JPL: The President was definitely firing on all cylinders tonight.
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mai naem mobile
@Arm The Homeless: She’s going to tap Fidel Castro!!! I knew it. She’s a Saul Alinsky commie like Barack Hussein Obama!!! Now Jeb! has to run against Hillary.
IIRC, Clinton did better than Obama among Latinos in 2008.
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Hildebrand
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): After living in the Rio Grande Valley for close to ten years, I will have to disagree. The democratic elected officials are so feckless down here that they encourage folks to think that all politicians are simply in the bag for the moneyed interests. Only President Obama has been able to rouse them, and even then it hasn’t been stellar – our ‘best’ showing in a presidential election was in ’12, and in our county we hit all of 48% of the eligible voters.
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Arm The Homeless
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): It’s an interest truth nugget to be sure. My purely anecdotal experience is that many nominally “white” latin@s tend to play down policies meant to address people of similar heritage for fear of being tagged as simply ‘looking out for their own’
IIRC, the Latino vote is lowest in Texas. I’m not sure that bad Democrats fully covers the reasons.
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Arm The Homeless
@Baud: The latent resentment from a not-insignificant minority of latin@ citizens with regards to the AA community is real. I have rolled my fair share of eyes when some sweet little abuela goes from talking about flan to decrying the lazy “negron” across the street who she ABSOLUTELY knows is getting cash from her drug dealing son. She just knows it.
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): Listening to students and their parents for the last nine years, its pure disillusionment, especially in the local politicians. It is all seen as pure patronage – which comes through even in the folks who are engaged in the process. Perhaps it is different in the rest of Texas, but down here, it is very much the result of people realizing that the politicians don’t do anything. They have given up. Once the parents give up, the kids simply follow their lead.
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JPL
@Arm The Homeless: someone always has to be better. Our economy depends on it. It would be amazing to see what would happen if they could join hands. The one percent doesn’t want that though. just sayin
@Baud: It’s different for her ‘chupito’ because… well, it’s just different, you see!
‘All the bad things that bappen to them would go away if those people would just work, stop having fatherless kids, and pull their damn pants up. They make all the rest of us look bad.’
BTW, I have had this discussion before, almost verbatim.
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WaterGirl
@JPL: Thanks! Tivo is now set to record the later showing for me.
ok smart folks. So, I scored comic-con tickets. Which is awesome. Unfortunately, every hostel I could possibly afford was booked up 3 hours after the comic-con ticket site opened. A friend of mine suggested sleeping in my car and using a truck stop. He’s used them. But he’s a heavily armed ex-Army. Is this a reasonable idea or not that reasonable for non-ex military unarmed females of the nerd persuasion?
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Betty Cracker
@ruemara: I’ve camped out at a truck stop or two during cross-country trips. It’s okay in a pinch but not ideal — and can be scary for an unaccompanied female. I’m assuming you’ve checked out renting rooms via Airbnb, etc., and come up empty? Is camping (like at an actual campground) an option?
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ruemara
@Betty Cracker: I’m pretty uninformed at roughing it. Like, spotty wi-fi is roughing it. I’ve set myself a deadline of 2 months to secure a crash pad before I relinquish my tickets, so hope springs eternal. I’m just figuring out a plan C to D.
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Amir Khalid
@Arm The Homeless:
I’m a beginner in Spanish, and I caught the gist of that.
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Elizabelle
@ruemara: Put up a room wanted for ComicCon ad on local Craigslist. Maybe a fellow ccon fan would be delighted to help a fellow fan out.
@Unabogie: Or he’s not progressive enough for the too-pure folks on the Left. Go check the comments section of the article about this posted by Karoli on Crooks anD Liars.
@Hildebrand: He was spot on, but of course some still babble on with the excuse that voting doesn’t work. Well, fuck them. We’ve lost a lot because of some holier than thou assholes who smugly sit elections out and act so goddamned surprised when we get the GOP jerks in charge. And they have the balls to tell people of color not to vote–when POCs know more than anyone the price paid to guarantee their right to vote. A right that the GOP is working very hard to take away while we’re told to whine about how awful Obama is.
Sorry for the rant, but as a black guy, anyone who tells me not to vote because of some idiotic reason gets nothing but scorn from me…
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Cain
You have a link where we could watch it online?
Feebog
It’s on MSNBC.
Litlebritdifrnt
As I said downstairs the fact that the host is asking questions in Spanish is going to make wingnuts heads explode.
raven
@Cain: Link
raven
Over.
Unabogie
Whatever he said, I’m sure wingnut heads exploded. Mainly because it doesn’t matter what he says, these people are so nuts they read nefarious plots into everything he utters, including “good morning” and “good night”.
raven
@Unabogie: He said besa mi culo chinga’s!
JPL
For those that missed it Rachel is covering it. If you don’t have cable.. watch here
http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/
JPL
There is so much money to deport people and the President has used that money. He has deported more than any other President but he has used it in the right way. If the repubs want him to deport more than put in the billions necessary or stfu.
Pogonip
@raven: You’re kidding, right?
muddy
It will be repeated at 11pm according to the schedule.
JPL
@Pogonip: Yup .. he was kidding. The President did forcefully mention that it was not a both sides do it issue. Ron Fournier is on a fainting couch, as I type.
JPL
I have to thank Raven for the heads up about the program and I have to thank the President. The President took his gloves off and is pointing fingers at one party. It’s about fking time. Thank you Pres.
WaterGirl
@muddy: What did I miss? What is the occasion for the president to be having a town hall?
Edit: never mind, I see from a comment by raven in another thread that it’s about immigration.
Arm The Homeless
As a man of latin@ descent, I would like to offer conservatives my nuanced opinion regarding their immigration rhetoric: ¡Chupa mi pinga, cabrone!
mai naem mobile
I don’t think i can handle a Bush being president after the most articulate BHO. I could possibly handle an inarticulate Bush after,say, a President Al Sharpton, but that’s about it.
Baud
@Arm The Homeless:
I wish latin@ in Texas felt the same. From what I hear, their voting rates are much lower than everywhere else.
JPL
@WaterGirl: He really took his gloves off. Normally the President will strike a middle ground but not in this case. He mentioned several times that there was a bill that would have passed if Boehner brought it to the floor. He was asked why he didn’t bring it up when first elected and it was an excuse me moment. Do you mean when the economy was tanking an your community had sky rocketing unemployment rates?
Arm The Homeless
@Baud: I suspect that may change quickly depending on whether Clinton is smart enough to tap Castro (not that one) as her Veep. Although that may be too glib, considering he has not proven he can win a statewide race in Tejas.
Hildebrand
@Baud: Yes, indeed. I was so happy to hear the President address this directly – telling folks they bloody well have to vote if they want to see constructive change. I tell my students this almost every day – you want things to get better, then you best participate in the process.
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@Baud:
IIRC, Texas is the only state where Latinos were subject to official Jim Crow laws. I think the hangover from those laws is sticking with us far more than anyone wants to admit.
Hildebrand
@JPL: The President was definitely firing on all cylinders tonight.
mai naem mobile
@Arm The Homeless: She’s going to tap Fidel Castro!!! I knew it. She’s a Saul Alinsky commie like Barack Hussein Obama!!! Now Jeb! has to run against Hillary.
Baud
@Arm The Homeless:
IIRC, Clinton did better than Obama among Latinos in 2008.
Hildebrand
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): After living in the Rio Grande Valley for close to ten years, I will have to disagree. The democratic elected officials are so feckless down here that they encourage folks to think that all politicians are simply in the bag for the moneyed interests. Only President Obama has been able to rouse them, and even then it hasn’t been stellar – our ‘best’ showing in a presidential election was in ’12, and in our county we hit all of 48% of the eligible voters.
Arm The Homeless
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): It’s an interest truth nugget to be sure. My purely anecdotal experience is that many nominally “white” latin@s tend to play down policies meant to address people of similar heritage for fear of being tagged as simply ‘looking out for their own’
srv
Ruh roh, are we going to bomb another country?
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@Hildebrand:
Oh, I’m not discounting feckless Democrats as a factor, but the Jim Crow part is historical fact:
https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/pks01
IIRC, the Latino vote is lowest in Texas. I’m not sure that bad Democrats fully covers the reasons.
Arm The Homeless
@Baud: The latent resentment from a not-insignificant minority of latin@ citizens with regards to the AA community is real. I have rolled my fair share of eyes when some sweet little abuela goes from talking about flan to decrying the lazy “negron” across the street who she ABSOLUTELY knows is getting cash from her drug dealing son. She just knows it.
David Koch
but, but… telephone metadata!
Hildebrand
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): Listening to students and their parents for the last nine years, its pure disillusionment, especially in the local politicians. It is all seen as pure patronage – which comes through even in the folks who are engaged in the process. Perhaps it is different in the rest of Texas, but down here, it is very much the result of people realizing that the politicians don’t do anything. They have given up. Once the parents give up, the kids simply follow their lead.
JPL
@Arm The Homeless: someone always has to be better. Our economy depends on it. It would be amazing to see what would happen if they could join hands. The one percent doesn’t want that though. just sayin
blueskies
@efgoldman:
Only to 20, and then only if they’re sucking their toes at the time.
Baud
@Arm The Homeless:
The irony is that some white dude somewhere thinks the same thing about her grandchild.
JPL
@Hildebrand: That’s why the others win. imo
Arm The Homeless
@Baud: It’s different for her ‘chupito’ because… well, it’s just different, you see!
‘All the bad things that bappen to them would go away if those people would just work, stop having fatherless kids, and pull their damn pants up. They make all the rest of us look bad.’
BTW, I have had this discussion before, almost verbatim.
WaterGirl
@JPL: Thanks! Tivo is now set to record the later showing for me.
Villago Delenda Est
@JPL:
I hope the fainting couch is similar to the one that Auric Goldfinger strapped James Bond to with the strategically placed laser beam.
Villago Delenda Est
@Arm The Homeless: I understood that. And my Spanish is rudimentary, at best.
catclub
@Villago Delenda Est: accent on rude?
mdblanche
@Villago Delenda Est: The only one of those words my Spanish class covered was “mi” but I’m pretty sure I got the gist of it.
Morzer
@blueskies:
What was the third thing? Oopsy!
Violet
Where is everyone? This place is dead.
Morzer
@Violet:
Thanks, Obama!
Villago Delenda Est
@catclub: Quite rude. And appropriate in context.
ruemara
ok smart folks. So, I scored comic-con tickets. Which is awesome. Unfortunately, every hostel I could possibly afford was booked up 3 hours after the comic-con ticket site opened. A friend of mine suggested sleeping in my car and using a truck stop. He’s used them. But he’s a heavily armed ex-Army. Is this a reasonable idea or not that reasonable for non-ex military unarmed females of the nerd persuasion?
Betty Cracker
@ruemara: I’ve camped out at a truck stop or two during cross-country trips. It’s okay in a pinch but not ideal — and can be scary for an unaccompanied female. I’m assuming you’ve checked out renting rooms via Airbnb, etc., and come up empty? Is camping (like at an actual campground) an option?
ruemara
@Betty Cracker: I’m pretty uninformed at roughing it. Like, spotty wi-fi is roughing it. I’ve set myself a deadline of 2 months to secure a crash pad before I relinquish my tickets, so hope springs eternal. I’m just figuring out a plan C to D.
Amir Khalid
@Arm The Homeless:
I’m a beginner in Spanish, and I caught the gist of that.
Elizabelle
@ruemara: Put up a room wanted for ComicCon ad on local Craigslist. Maybe a fellow ccon fan would be delighted to help a fellow fan out.
Central Planning
@Arm The Homeless:
Google translate thought that was Swedish. At least it got the S and ish right.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
@Arm The Homeless:
Clinton would be more likely to pick Ted Cruz, given her penchant for picking utter douchebags to assist her campaign.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
@ruemara:
have you tried airBandB?
Matt McIrvin
@mai naem mobile: I recall Fidel Castro publicly perving after Hillary Clinton in the ’90s. Kept going on about what a good-looking woman she was.
Marc McKenzie
@Unabogie: Or he’s not progressive enough for the too-pure folks on the Left. Go check the comments section of the article about this posted by Karoli on Crooks anD Liars.
Marc McKenzie
@Hildebrand: He was spot on, but of course some still babble on with the excuse that voting doesn’t work. Well, fuck them. We’ve lost a lot because of some holier than thou assholes who smugly sit elections out and act so goddamned surprised when we get the GOP jerks in charge. And they have the balls to tell people of color not to vote–when POCs know more than anyone the price paid to guarantee their right to vote. A right that the GOP is working very hard to take away while we’re told to whine about how awful Obama is.
Sorry for the rant, but as a black guy, anyone who tells me not to vote because of some idiotic reason gets nothing but scorn from me…