It can be very disheartening when an artist who people revere opens her mouth and ignorance comes out. The latest victim is Joni Mitchell, who had these choice words on the experience of being a black man:
“When I see black men sitting, I have a tendency to go — like I nod like I’m a brother,” she said. “I really feel an affinity because I have experienced being a black guy on several occasions.” … “Well, did you ever see the cover of Don Juan’s Reckless Daughter?” she replies. “That’s me. The black guy in the front.”… This, a picture of her in blackface, is her treasured experience of “being a black guy”.
I totally know what she means. I dressed up once as a cowgirl for Halloween, and I’m pretty sure that makes me an expert on the old west.
Team Blackness also discussed racially diverse emojis (finally), a black family’s house that was firebombed, and two San Diego Latino residents that were beaten by cops for entering their own store.
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balconesfault
I’m reminded of the National Lampoon faux Berkley folk song …
“Pull the triggers, ni-clang… we’re with you all the way
Just across the bay …”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NafrFdBXfrk
opiejeanne
Joni has always been a very silly person. I don’t know why we revere her beyond her talents as a singer.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I was gonna say “loopy”. This is pretty sad
another Holocene human
@balconesfault: And they lived that in the extremist leftist cells, Black members for about in their need by law enforcement, whites evaded law enforcement, prosecution, or, gee, return to the scene of the crime after having their babies to do their prison time on their schedule.
aimai
Holy shit. That’s just unforgiveable.
JGabriel
opiejeanne:
Silly, loopy, yeah, no argument from me. But Mitchell was also a great songwriter – that’s where the reverence comes from, I think.
Mandalay
Says the woman with a seven million dollar mansion in Bel Air.
Why expect any wisdom on being black from someone living in a Bel Air mansion who is pushing her boxed set, and giving away Joni Mitchell tote bags?
It makes no more sense than expecting her to be good at rebuilding an engine or playing tennis or explaining what’s going on in Ukraine.
JGabriel
@aimai:
Artists say stupid shit sometimes, c.f. Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Prince, Keith Richards, and so on – comes with the territory of pushing boundaries.
Edited to Add: And yeah, her comments were really stupid. I’m not defending them. But it’s disappointing, not unforgivable – if she asks for it. Of course, if she goes and defends it, and adds in some dumb racist shit, then yeah, we might be getting into unforgivable territory at that point.
opiejeanne
@JGabriel: Ok, songwriter, but why we revere her beyond those talents is beyond me.
opiejeanne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Loopy works too.
I bought a collection of her greatest hits in the 90s so that my kids would know her music. They listened to Candles in the Rain and asked us yet again if we were sure we never did drugs.
bobbo
Oh, Joni, you break my heart
SatanicPanic
@JGabriel: yeah, but we don’t have to forgive her. It’s not like we go to her house for Thanksgiving or anything.
SatanicPanic
I’m a little scared a few of my idols will turn out this way- old and crazy.
Buddy H
Isn’t she also suffering from Morgellons Syndrome, which has been called a non-existent ailment? (those are the worst)
I love her songs and her voice, but I don’t look to her (or any other entertainers) for wisdom in interviews.
cmorenc
For a few years every Halloween, I dressed up as my own ad hoc version of “blue man”, long before the Blue Man Group ever came independently came up with the concept. I know what it’s like to be blue.
burnspbesq
Didn’t we have this same conversation three days ago about a different artist?
Patricia Kayden
I don’t think Mitchell realizes how awkward she sounds. Oh well. I suppose this is not the worst thing a celebrity has said about race.
Lavocat
But, does she know what it’s like to engage in serial multiple-posting?
But, does she know what it’s like to engage in serial multiple-posting?
… ad infinitum …
Bob In Portland
Joni Mitchell wrote some wonderful songs and really explored alternate guitar tunings.
Was she drunk when she said the above or is she just going senile?
Denali
Oh, Joni,we hardly know you.
srv
Wait, could we monetize this? Offer transfusions from black people? Just think of Erick or someone writing about their experience being black.
SatanicPanic
@srv: Oh god. being a minority really is nothing more than a license to tell racist jokes for some people. Seriously Joni, you can tell anyone off and not be a bigot, you just have to not be a bigot first.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
I once dressed up like Joni Mitchell for Halloween, so I guess that means I’ve experienced being Joni Mitchell, and by extension, a black man.
JustRuss
I’ve dressed up in drag once or twice. Gather round, boys, and let me tell you what life is really like for the wimmin-folk….
Gin & Tonic
I think the only good thing I can say bout Join is that hearing her version of “Twisted”, back in college IIRC, led me to discover the original Annie Ross version, and by extension the whole LH&R oeuvre.
Hungry Joe
About 45 years ago I had a serious crush on her. Now I’m thinking it wouldn’t have worked out.
Bobby Thomson
@srv: shit, that’s just stupid. Jeez, Joni.
Applejinx
We don’t really love her for being wise, she really isn’t. We love her for being unguarded. There are consequences to this. Just shrug it off, it’s not like her music is exactly political.
Besides, anyone who tried to put Burundi drums on a pop record in 1975 and did an album about Mingus giving no fucks about whether it would sell, deserves to be cut some slack for talking silly in 2015.
Tim (The Other One)
My hand is still sore from lifting the needle past that Burundi track. I think that’s when my carpal tunnel started.
Ben Cisco
Obligatory visual aid.
TooManyJens
Pics!
Jamey
@JGabriel: Really, not even that. I never “got” her “brilliance.” She was the Julia Roberts of folk (before there ever was a Julia Roberts): She looked the part; people gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Ripley
That’s her in the spotlight,
gaining pigmentation…
jimbo57
I watched all the episodes of Shogun on my teevee machine, which gave me imperishable insights into Japanese culture. Since I shared this information with the guys down at the all-you-can-eat sushi joint, they have a new nickname for me: derruksu bakka. I`ve been told it`s Japanese for `Mr. Cool Dude“.
AxelFoley
@Ben Cisco:
Win.