Belatedly realizing that by doing this, Andrew Sullivan saves himself from liveblogging the Clinton Restoration.
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) January 28, 2015
Oh, yeah, back in the day… PandoDaily let Mark Ames reprint his 2013 Hall of Shame coverage on Sullivan, so let’s step in the wayback machine for a pertinent excerpt:
…[I]t was in 1994 that Andrew Sullivan’s recklessness and media fraud went berserk. First, he published a devastating three-part series destroying President Clinton’s universal health care legislation, articles that are generally considered the reason why “Hillarycare” failed to pass. The author, a Republican operative from the rightwing Manhattan Institute named Betsy McCaughey, had secretly prepared her articles in cooperation with Philip Morris (much of Hillarycare coverage was to be funded by hiking tobacco taxes). McCaughey’s article, “No Exit,” won for The New Republic that year’s National Magazine Award. However, her articles were complete frauds; not journalism, but the very opposite of journalism: Tobacco industry propaganda designed to kill off health care for Americans in order to protect big tobacco profits.
A secret 1994 memo from a Philip Morris executive outlining the tobacco giant’s role in crafting McCaughey’s articles reveals just how grotesquely corrupt journalism under Andrew Sullivan’s editorship had become…
The articles were so full of obvious lies and embarrassing flaws that in 2006, The New Republic publicly recanted. But as with the October Surprise smear, the damage was done — health care reform was dead for another 15 years. When you consider that a recent study estimated 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of health care coverage, and you multiply that by the nearly two decades since Andrew Sullivan helped kill Clinton’s health care reform, you start to understand who the real terrorist is.
But that’s no sweat off Sully’s whiskers: The pattern, set early, proves that no matter how hard he fails, no matter how disastrous the consequences for journalism or his adopted country, Sullivan’s career advancement is guaranteed to keep rising. Journalism, schmournalism: He’s a proven reliable waterboy for the tobacco lobby and the Republican Right, what value can journalism have that can possibly compete with that?…
Even after his own magazine recanted the article, in 2007, Sullivan, while admitting “I was aware of the piece’s flaws but nonetheless was comfortable running it as a provocation,” defended his failure, and the catastrophic consequences to millions of Americans, with all the aggressive conviction of a sociopath:
I think the magazine’s refusal to be mau-maued by the Clintons at the time – and Hillary was threatening blue murder against anyone who so much as dared to criticize her – is a feather in the magazine’s cap. We weren’t “out to get the Clintons.” Some of us – well, two of us – were merely worried that America’s excellent private healthcare system would be hobbled by too much government regulation. I am glad we helped head off the Clinton-Magaziner behemoth. Proud, actually.
That was in pre-internet, pre-social-media days, when publicly rebutting outright liars and exposing shills like Betsy McCaughey was a process requiring months, not hours. Sullivan’s been a well-paid whore for the worst elements of the American moneyed right since the day he took Marty Perez’s gig, so when you read encomiums to his vast dedication and tributes to his tireless intellectual curiosity, remember the evils to which he’s put those gifts. If he’s getting out of blogging now, it’s because there’s no longer a thick scrim of “professionalism” to protect his tender sensitivities from the vulgar assaults of truth.
Corner Stone
If anyone says any incarnation of this variant they can be safely ignored. Forever.
Pogonip
Looks like no Pupdate tonight. I’m starting to get concerned that one or more of the visiting dogs has died and John’s trying to figure out how to break the sad news to his audience. Or else he’s found a girlfriend at the worst possible time.
Hope springs eternal, I’ll check again tomorrow. Goodnight!
Hal
Eyes roll right out of head. Keep in mind that if worse came to worst, and Sullivan lost his excellent US health coverage, he would have jetted right back to the UK.
I wonder how many HIV positive people could have benefited from healthcare coverage 15 years ago. This sentiment really is I got mine so you can kiss off.
Pogonip
@Hal: You got that right.
Now, goodnight!
Howard Beale IV
When I saw Mark Ames brutal historical takedown, I couldn’t let it pass.
khead
The dude cashed out. That’s great. I love capitalism and would also love to get suckers to buy subscriptions to my ramblings and then stop doling them out. Someone else pointed it out in the earlier thread in about 5 posts.
Let’s not make it into anything more than that.
Corner Stone
@efgoldman: I don’t know. A million bucks in either NYC or DC does not last all that long.
KS in MA
Sully always was an idiot. A harmful idiot.
Corner Stone
@efgoldman: Indeed. But not sure how that makes it a career finisher in those markets.
Mike J
Genetically speaking, he’s not really on the high end of the curve, is he? Shouldn’t all the punditizing spots be taken by Asians?
rikyrah
@Hal:
That has always stuck in my craw. He is a FUCKING HIV+ patient who never had to face the reality of the American healthcare system pre-Obamacare.
kc
What an asshole.
Felonius Monk
Betsy McCaughey is a vile, inhuman piece of shit. That Sully was pimping for her puts him pretty much in the same category.
lamh36
St. Louis City Hall Meeting Reportedly Interrupted By Brawl
Morzer
I am wondering what Sullivan was caught doing that necessitated this hasty folding of tents and need to spend time with the family.
Howard Beale IV
@rikyrah: Yer saying his trips back to the UK is for him to get his yearly HIV cocktail suppy from the NHS?
Anne Laurie
@Corner Stone: When one is a made man in the Wingnut Wurlitzer, there’s always another sinecure available. If Sullivan’s yet-to-be-revealed new gig doesn’t work out, one of the many many rich men who’ve been fluffed by Sully in the past will find Andrew something… suitable.
I’m sure the brutal internet beatings (/snide) Chait’s taken over the past couple days had something to do with Sulllivan deciding now was as good a time as any for his latest “swan song”, though. He’s never been a fan of vulgar democracy (I remember him whining that America was founded as a republic back in his early TNR days) and small-d democratic social media has been nothing but a source of aggravation to Our Mr. Sullivan.
Morzer
@Anne Laurie:
A crapo di tutti crapi?
Trentrunner
The main thing to remember about Andrew Sullivan (aside from his knowingly infecting others with HIV while publicly decrying gay men’s promiscuity) is that HIS FIRST INSTINCT after the 9/11 attack was this:
He has principled objections to right wing excesses, but he HATES the left, women, and “hippies.”
He has been, on balance, a blight. He is best eradicated from public discourse.
CB
This. I used to admire him for his ‘openess’ to dissent and his talent as an editor, but the further you dig, the uglier it is. His talent as an aggregator is blown to smithereens by his pomposity and verbal flatulence. The guy is a hypocrite and huckster, whose interests extend as far as ‘Andrew Sullivan’, and that’s it.
Also, it does not take a million fucking dollars to operate a god damn blog.
Howard Beale IV
@Anne Laurie: Actually, I think his latest health bout means the old boy’s health isn’t what he proclaims it to be-he ain’t no Magic Johnson fitness-wise; those cocktails aren’t side-effect-free, and he’s no spring chicken.
Nicole
As Gawker pointed out, he’s retired before:
http://tktk.gawker.com/happy-tenth-anniversary-of-andrew-sullivans-previous-bl-1682343500
CB
Can I also mention that the man would regularly take shits all over NYC, and then turn around and wax poetic about his longing for DC? A person like this is not to be trusted.
Steve from Antioch
So he’s a terrorist and a sociopath, eh?
Sullivan Derangement Syndrome lives on.
Morzer
@Steve from Antioch:
Only on his good days.
Gin & Tonic
@CB: If I recall correctly, he found that living in NYC in the style he felt he should was actually beyond his means.
Morzer
@Gin & Tonic:
He just didn’t pull those gilded bootstraps hard enough.
Trentrunner
@Steve from Antioch: Question: When you’re fucking a straw man, are there splinters?
catclub
@Mike J:
Huh? He fluffs Paul Ryan as but those budgets Ryan produces have totally made up numbers. His curiosity is only piqued after someone points out to him repeatedly that they would do harm him.
Gin & Tonic
To break from the Sully-bashing, maybe I’m the only old Zappa fan who finds it pretty amusing that recent (apparently) seismic changes in a part of copyright law are due to the efforts of a “Flo & Eddie, Inc.”? I am most definitely NAL, but from what I’ve read, next time somebody says “I want to hear the big hit record, and I wanna hear it now, an’ I wanna hear the big hit record now with a bullet!” the answer will be “pay me.”
Morzer
@Gin & Tonic:
What, after a mere 35 comments? Bad form, old boy, bad form!
lamh36
lamh36
Lord…alcohol and sports fans…stay classy Rush hockey fans…stay classy…
Hockey Fans Pour Beer On Native Kids, Tell Them To ‘Go Back To The Rez’
Gin & Tonic
@Morzer: It says open thread.
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@Gin & Tonic:
I have been informed by artists I know that the correct response when someone wants you to work for free is, “Fuck you, pay me.”
Howard Beale IV
@Gin & Tonic: Gotta love technology moving faster than laws, yet again.: Even worse here is that you got state laws in the mix:
mai naem mobile
@Corner Stone: you forget that hes been making a decent living for decades now. If he was saving all along, he should have saved a nice nestegg. I am assuming his husband makes some kind of living. They don’t have any kids. He’s got a green card which means he can get health care through the ACA. He’s cashed out and does.not have to work anymore.
grandpa john
@efgoldman: yes , just proof of the old adage that the more things change the more they stay the same.
Samuel Butler (1612-1680) understood human nature even then
sharl
@lamh36: A commenter at your Gawker link provided a link to a popular Seattle blog (Slog), which – if further investigation confirms it is the same person – suggests that the SPD officer in question doan’ laahk yer type – Was This Racist Post Written by the Cop Who Arrested an Elderly Man for “Walking in Seattle While Black”?
Gin & Tonic
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): Well, this has to do with recordings made before 1972, so it’s a little more complicated than that.
jl
Sullivan was still, very bravely in his eyes, defending The Bell Curve just a few weeks ago. And he was still pushing his bad habit of claiming it was all in the name of open scientific inquiry, and implying that no one had answered the analysis of that incompetently done book. I remember because that sparked another one of the BJ blog Bell Curve festival bashes, in which I always eagerly participate.
Grifter or densely innumerate. Not sure which. Hope he stays retired this time and out of media in the future.
Probably no more BJ blog Bell Curve parties, since no one else who is prominent in the media is willing to fluff that botched research anymore.
Cliff in NH
stupid to not simply do the math for your readers, why not just add “that is approx 675,000 Dead people over the last 15 years”
Gin & Tonic
@Howard Beale IV: As far as I can tell, Sirius’ lawyers pretty much just got their balls sliced off and handed to them on a plate in NY as well.
I just find it funny that this is all attributable to two guys who haven’t been relevant for 40 years.
jl
” Andrew Sullivan saves himself from liveblogging the Clinton Restoration. ”
Given his Matthews-level of fear and hatred of HRC (that is, well past ‘completely unreasoning’), this might play a role too, along with “dude cashes out” and possible health issues.
I remember reading one of is pieces when he became editor of THR. Sullivan wrote that he like the cut of Dub’s jib, and he would be a very successful president. Sullivan was the High Baroque period of the ‘even the liberal New Republic’ era.
Howard Beale IV
@Gin & Tonic: It gets worse:
Good Thing YouTube has all those hit counters.
As the late Carl Sagan said: “Billions and Billions…..”
mtiffany
Madame, you owe the world’s whores an apology.
Morzer
@grandpa john:
Experience keeps a dear school – and some fools are stuck repeating the third grade in it.
Cliff in NH
and of course that would be 945,000 Dead People thru 2015 … It’s getting better now, so the per year number should be decreasing as there are now 9,500,000 more people covered (takes time for that insurance to save their lives though.)
duck-billed placelot
Preach, sister.
scav
@sharl: The little Superman icon she (Offendicer Whitilatch) is altogether too precious as well — usual delusions in full bloom with that one.
different-church-lady
Dude isn’t even a FUCKIN’ U.S. CITIZEN, but he’s proud he had utterly inproportionate influence over how it would work for those of us who are.
Asshole.
grandpa john
@Morzer: Experience is also a hard teacher, it gives the test before the lesson
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini):
I don’t have to be an artist to use the same phrase. I work, you pay. You no pay, I no work.
Morzer
@Ruckus:
Cash only, in advance. Strictly no bitcoin or Confederate dollars.
Ruckus
@Morzer:
No fucking kidding. I want something worth the paper it’s printed on.
jl
The relentless sterile cynicism and incompetence of the US media:
Exclusive: Spending- why ‘red’ states shoulder the deepest cuts under Obama
Reuters By Andy Sullivan
[Under Obama] Red states still came up short. After 2011, the average red state got 15 percent fewer grants and 1.3 percent fewer grant dollars…
…
Under presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, Hudak found that purple states got about 7.3 percent more grants and 5.7 percent more grant dollars than states that were firmly in one camp.
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-spending-why-red-states-shoulder-deepest-cuts-062930803.html
Note: emphasis added.
It is true that some huge percentage cuts in grant dollars under Obama are reported for some red states such as Texas, but the reporting is so incompetent that it is impossible to figure out the significance. Can’t tell whether those are total dollars or just for one grant category.
The piece also reported that no bias was found in the Recovery Act spending.
So, why is not the piece about the relative fairness of Obama grant spending? I don’t know. Maybe the reporter would have to understand the numbers, and couldn’t gin up a canned cynicism story by picking out whatever hodge-podge of numbers that looked cool.
I assume the Sulivan who wrote this is another Andy Sullivan, and the name is just a coincidence.
Edit: Reuters story, so I should have just said ‘media’.
Roger Moore
@jl:
Both.
dubo
The other day that interminable pasttime “Where is the Buckley of today?” reared its head again, and today it struck me that Sullivan is today’s Buckley to a T
A pundit and editor who tries so hard to be provocative and erudite that he hoodwinks people into overlooking that the actual content of his message is aggresive stupidity. Well-respected and thought of as Serious even among most of his critics, despite the fact that as far as I can tell he’s never uttered a thing that wasn’t dishonest, ignorant, or bafflingly insane. Willing to engage his critics, but rarely honestly, and with a vicious streak a mile wide. Even when admitting he was wrong, he was wrong for the right reasons while his opponents were right for the wrong reasons.
jl
@jl: I can’t even find where the article says whether the numbers are adjusted for population or size of the state economies. The reader is supposed to just guess about it. Why is this dreck published and who bothers to take it seriously?
Oh well, maybe some Chicago gangsta thug Obama machine politics stories peddled by GOP coming soon.
yodecat
@kc: Oh, you got that right. What an asshole. Maybe he’s an insult to a good clean asshole.
Gin & Tonic
Stephen Cohen, Bob in Portland’s favorite American academic, has his fee-fees hurt. Too bad, so sad.
Ken
But Andrew Sullivan was kind of a train wreck and you couldn’t keep your eyes away. I did give him $25. But I made up for that by giving Digby $50.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: I’m thinking of using that on my landlord. I returned home from my walk tonight to find, yet again, shit in my bath tub.
Rich (In Name Only) In Reno
Notice how Sully waited until Driftglass was on hiatus before he buggered off?
The Pale Scot
If this is real, I think it will be significant.
Scientists slow the speed of light
They sent photons – individual particles of light – through a special mask. It changed the photons’ shape – and slowed them to less than light speed.
The photons remained traveling at the lower speed even when they returned to free space.
Edit; for link
Dang Dbl post
maeve
i dip into his columns now and then –
I remember when he was recently praising ACA because as a new small enterprise he was on the individual healthcare market plus had a pre-existting condition.
Yeah – Hillarycare was bad because it undermined the oh so excellent and innovative US healthcare system – not so much condemnation of the supposed undermining of the existing”excellent US healthcare system” now when it actually affects you
eric nny
So OT, but terrible in its own way, it’s 1:30, I’m at a house fire waiting in queue to bring the engine up for our turn and its -15. Owner is distraught and lashing out, interior firefighters are covered in sheets of ice as soon as they exit the building and I forgot to put on socks. Fires always suck, and have a terrible heartbreak factor.
Ruckus
@dubo:
Not a bad comparison, however Buckley at least sounded more authentic. Sully hasn’t figured out how polish his bullshit anywhere near as well as Buckley had.
Ruckus
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Yeah, that’s not where it is supposed to be. But I’d bet good money you knew that.
You no give me functioning plumbing, I no give you rent. When we go to court, and I explain the shit in the bathtub and you explain how you want to be paid regardless, I wonder how that’s going to sound to a judge?
Mike G
What a mendacious asshole. This and his “fifth column” slur should be his journalistic epitaph.
piratedan
seemingly genteel shitheels like Sullivan can go diaf for all I care. Erudite posturing masquerading as intelligence is all well and good until you actually start toting up the damages and it’s not as if this bastard couldn’t take the time to learn something, The asshat couldn’t be bothered to actually read anything and apply the knowledge within when it went against his own personal coda and once he had to admit he was wrong he still tried to make you feel like you lost the argument because he could write so well and after all, his heart was in the right place, namely his own wallet.
I hope he gets audited or even better gets confronted by one of those fabled “salt of the earth” types and gets the rude awakening he so fervently needs or maybe gets food poisoning from some of McCardle’s pink Himalayan Salt.
seaboogie
@Morzer: He’s just an attention whore. What he does is not analysis, but cocktail party banter to be the center of attention. That whole “Ohhhhh, I am “leaving to join real life” could have been done by a self-obsessed twenty-something who is “ironically” self-aware and obsessed and writing something for Salon. We should just look away, never click, and let him/them fade into deserved and well-earned oblivion.
GregB
Let’s be honest here folks.
How many people attacking Sullivan in this thread live in decadent liberal enclaves?
jl
@GregB: I’ll tell you when you tell us which fifth column you march in.
sharl
@eric nny: Late to show up & see this, but… dayum. Best of luck and warm thoughts to you and all involved. (Maybe things are all wrapped up by now?)
piratedan
@GregB: not sure Arizona counts…. Sullivan is like the premise to a Stephen King book, it’s starts off seemingly plausible and before you know it you’re in funhouse mirrors and then living in an alternate reality within a damned nightmare. Except King writes better and has cool music lyrics in front of his stuff.
cmorenc
@jl: Regardless of which fifth column much of the democratic base marches with, too many of them march to the tune of a diffident drummer.
Steeplejack
@Howard Beale IV:
I am definitely not a lawyer, but I thought that all music played on terrestrial radio stations—even pre-1972 stuff—was licensed through, and royalties paid to, ASCAP and BMI. The royalties may have ended up going to Morty Feinbaum of Hi-Tone Records instead of his mistreated artists, but someone was getting paid, no?
Morzer
@GregB:
Some of us ARE decadent liberal enclaves.
Howard Beale IV
I don’t think Sully will make it to 2016-especially if Hillary wins the nomination, he’ll probably commit masturbatory autoasphyxiation.
Arclite
While Sully was an asshole, I still appreciated his blog for its wide variety of aggregated stories. A shame it will be going away.
Villago Delenda Est
@efgoldman:
Burke was appalled at the excesses of the French Revolution. Not the terror itself, but who the terror was ostensibly directed at. The monarchists, the aristocracy. If you’re going to engage in that kind of shit, do it in the defense of the Ancien Régime.
Burke underscores the obvious truth: that “Conservatism” is about preserving the privilege of the haves at any price.
Howard Beale IV
Bryan Fischer fired as policy director of American Family Association, but still has his radio show.
Mike J
@Howard Beale IV: SPLC went to the Israeli press about the hate group funding the RNC junket (60 people for 9 days, paid for by AFA). Wildmon claims he fired Fischer over a quote from 2013. That sounds to me as if he’s bearing false witness. Fischer managed to embarrass the RNC, and that is an unforgivable sin to the fundegelicals.
raven
Can we move on to another dead horse topic?
Confused About How You’re Supposed To Feel About ‘American Sniper’? Here Are 20 Thinkpieces That Can Help You Put Things In Perspective
The Ancient Randonneur
This was Randy Andy’s kinder, gentler GBCW. Like a pimple on a teenager, he isn’t going away for long.
Schlemazel
Never was a fan of that magazine so I never saw that particular series. But it is fascinating that even from the very beginning Lil Andy’s M.O. is exactly what I have been saying about him since I caught on to his act a decade ago. He will reliably publish the greatest filth cloaked in pseudo intellectual BS in support of rightwing positions when it matters and do what he can to undermine decent America. Then, after it no longer matters, he will deny, obfuscate, justify or ignore what he wrote and pretend it is now irrelevant. He really needs to get a job on FOX.
@Arclite: NO, it is not.
Sherparick
@grandpa john: Lovely old word “knave.” It pretty much means the same as “Grifter,” “Con man,” “reiver,” etc. As a writer, I somewhat agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates who admires Sullivan’s obvious talent as writer and editor, while deploring the corruption of that talent by all the bad right wing memes lurking in Sullivan’s brain and his total lack of empathy for people different then himself.
Gin & Tonic
@Steeplejack: Late returning to this thread, but the distinction here is between the “song”, which has always been licensed as you say, and the “performance”, which, until 1972, was arguably not licensed.
Kay
Just wanted to add that I thought Sullivan’s obsession with Palin’s pregnancy was bizarre and really disturbing.
I recognize it’s just example number 5000 of how he treats women like they’re somehow outside the “norm” but I can’t think of anything more intrusive and dehumanizing than him peering at those pictures of her when she was pregnant and trying to determine how far along she was. Have to love too how she was presumed NOT CREDIBLE on her own godammned pregnancy without documentation from an outside source.
Lots and lots of women feel fine when they’re pregnant and don’t change their activities, and lots and lots of women don’t “look” pregnant (to strangers) until they’re closer to the end. His rigid “this is how the female of the species behaves when pregnant” fake-science analysis was complete and utter bullshit and disgusting. In true Andrew Sullivan fashion, it completely denied any agency, decision-making capability or individual humanity to the pregnant woman apart from the pregnancy.
One of the things that women have to deal with when they’re pregnant is how people pile their own fucked-up societal and personal views and history onto you and your pregnancy. What it does it put women into a category “pregnant female” and then everyone gets to state an opinion on what that group describes and encompasses. The pregnant person disappears. He did that, and he did it in 2008, not 1908.
Matt McIrvin
@The Pale Scot: It’s an interesting curiosity, but some media outlets flogged it as some kind of challenge to relativity, which it’s not. The “speed of light” they’re talking about is not the one Einstein was talking about.
Matt McIrvin
@Steeplejack: There are the rights to the song itself, and the rights to the particular recording of a performance of the song. ASCAP and BMI broker the first, not the second. If you record a song you didn’t write, you get nothing though ASCAP or BMI.
My understanding is that terrestrial radio pays per-pay royalties for songs but not for recordings of songs. This was a sore point when it was decided that “Internet radio” streaming did have to pay for both, which, interestingly, Sirius seems to have been ignoring.
Tenar Darell
@dubo: Worst part of this? He’d really think it was a compliment, Sully’d hear Buckley and elide all the rest. If he watched Buckley and Baldwin 20 million times he’d never understand how truly vile Buckley’s behavior was during that debate. He may love us, and want to be with us, but he often profoundly misunderstands us and therefore hurts us. OMG Sully is a bad boyfriend!
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Matt McIrvin:
Somebody negotiates the payments for performance, and people do continue to be paid for that. That’s why you hear so many popular songs re-recorded by soundalikes for use on TV and other outlets — it means you pay songwriting fees to the original artist but avoid paying their performance fee.
I don’t know exactly how it works because it’s very, very complicated and often includes union contracts, but songwriting fees and performance fees are two separate things.
Dave C
@Sherparick:
Can you provide a link to where Coates shared those sentiments? I would like to read them!
Hunter
I stopped reading Sullivan years ago, after coming to the conclusion that he’s shallow, self-absorbed, and not really all that intelligent.
Samuel Knight
The Jon Chait and Sully stories are really tightly connected. They’re one of a gang of former blogging “superstars” who’ve fallen by the wayside because people realized that they’re mendacious assholes who can’t be relying onto explain anything. That whole TNR crew, Kaus, Chait, Sully, Kinsley, together with their right wing lying buddies like Krauthammer and Barnes.
Think about it, a lot of the liberal writers – Krugman, Duncan Black, Digby, Drum they’re really good at figuring things out. e.g. Krugman, econ, Black -Social Security, Digby – sexism in the Obama campaign, Drum – lead. Each and every one of them look at data and trends and figure something insightful to say.
The TNR crew – not at all. Like the Economist and the right wing they just BS.
That’s why Jon Chait wrote that stupid piece and that’s why Sully’s retiring. People have figured out their con.
dmhlt
Was hoping against hope for some gracious comment, but NOPE!
BJ has, yet again, decided to take the low, LOW road.
What a bunch of petulant people you are.