A Loaded Gun

This scumbag needs to be in jail:

George Zimmerman threatened to shoot and kill a driver during a road rage incident in Lake Mary and later showed up at the man’s workplace, according to police.

The road rage incident happened Tuesday, Lake Mary police told Local 6, but the other driver declined to press charges, so Zimmerman was not arrested.

Zimmerman, 30, was acquitted last year of a second-degree murder charge in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

Police said the man, whose name was not released, called police after a truck pulled up next to him and the driver yelled, “Why are you pointing a finger at me?”

Police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said the man recognized the truck driver as Zimmerman. The man said Zimmerman then asked, “Do you know who I am?” and threatened to kill him.

Two days later, the man said he saw Zimmerman in his truck outside his workplace. He called police but declined to press charges.

I am just dying to know the race of the man Zimmerman threatened to kill this time. At any rate, how many people does he have to threaten and kill before he is removed from decent society? Then again, this is Florida, so the whole “decent society” thing might be a bit of a stretch.

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107 replies
  1. 1
    Cacti says:

    Violent altercations with cops, spouses, girlfriends, inlaws, random motorists…

    But Trayvon Martin was the real thug because he listened to that hippity hop music.

  2. 2
    Tokyokie says:

    I think to be extended the courtesy of a threat by Zimmerman, you have to be white. Black guys like Trayvon Martin he just guns down while standing his ground.

  3. 3
    Belafon says:

    “Do you know who I am?” “Sarah Palin?”

  4. 4
    Rob in CT says:

    Yeah, totally no pattern of behavior here.

    He’s going to keep doing this shit until somebody ends up dead. Oh, right…

  5. 5
    Betty Cracker says:

    Within five years, he’ll either kill someone else, kill himself or both. I’d bet large money on it.

  6. 6
    Lavocat says:

    You forgot to add the obligatory rimshot.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    George Zimmerman threatened to shoot and kill a driver during a road rage incident in Lake Mary and later showed up at the man’s workplace, according to police.

    This is Florida. The answer there is ALWAYS more guns. Their response to this will be to allow residents to have firearms readily available from the driver’s seat, because if the guy Zimmerman threatened had been armed as well then Z would have thought twice and maybe cooled off (or just been shot for being a a##hole).

    There was an incident some years back where some local Panhandler wingnut, angered by all Teh Furriners coming in and destroying his Ahmurrca, went out and shot up a nice European couple on holiday while they were stopped at a rest area. Most civilized jurisdictions would have looked at mental health services and restrictions on gun ownership: FL put armed guards at all rest stops on the Interstates (first it was FHP, then delegated to Wackenhut).

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    At any rate, how many people does he have to threaten and kill before he is removed from decent society?

    It’s not how many, it’s which ones. When he shoots at a white man, it will suddenly turn out that he’s been brown all along.

  9. 9

    Someone else is going to die and unfortunately it isn’t going to be Zimmerman.

    In other news, have we laughed and pointed at the teacher who shot herself in the faculty bathroom? No, no reason not to let teachers carry concealed and use our kids as target practice.

  10. 10
    Belafon says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Isn’t that two incidents in the last month?

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    bemused says:

    @boatboy_srq:

    So just wondering what Fox news will say about this. I’m guessing crickets.

  12. 12
    Gex says:

    ” The man said Zimmerman then asked, ‘Do you know who I am?’ and threatened to kill him.”

    If he didn’t know before then, he that was a pretty strong clue.

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    big ole hound says:

    If I ever see his face I will instigate an incident with the camera going and press charges. Why does the victim have to press charges? Can’t the State or municipality do this? If I pee on a park bench there is no one to “press charges” or break a window etc etc, but if there is a human victim they need charges “pressed” to make an arrest. I don’t get it????????

  14. 14
    jayboat says:

    Think about the energy and time it took for georgie-boy to find out where the guy works.
    Granted, not a lot, but jeebuschristonacracker.

    The guy is a sociopath with the emotional maturity of a 6-yr old.

    And way too much time on his hands.

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    Gex says:

    @TaMara (BHF): My favorite quote from an article on the Utah elementary schools shooting:

    Utah teachers are allowed to carry guns, but the weapons must be completely concealed and kept with the teacher at all times, including inside a bathroom stall, according to the state office of education. However, teachers are not required to tell the school that they have a gun.

    “This would clearly violate the intent and the strategic advantage of the ‘concealed’ weapon,” the district’s statement reads. “If a permit holder had disclosed to faculty or staff that they were carrying a weapon, this could make them a target in an active shooter situation.”

    So apparently their thinking is that it is school staff and administration themselves who are the biggest risk (hence not telling them that you are carrying) but of course that overlooks the fact that those are the very people they are arming.

    The stupid. It hurts my head.

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    Mr. Longform says:

    You know, it takes a good guy with impulse control and anger issues to stop a bad guy from pointing his finger (I mean the guy POINTED his FINGER – he was asking for it!) And finger pointing is like the threshold crime, leading in 4 cases out of 5 directly to skittles.

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    Comrade Scrutinizer says:

    @big ole hound: At least here in NC the state proffers charges; who the fuck knows what happens in FL. A reluctant victim probably makes prosecution difficult though.

  18. 18
    Craigo says:

    @big ole hound: Can’t convict without evidence – ie in this case, open court testimony.

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    @boatboy_srq: To be fair, this is in CENTRAL Florida. South Florida has its share of strangeness (face-eaters et al), but it seems like the gun-nutsery quotient per capita is a lot higher upstate than it is down here.

    Maybe it’s because in the summer it’s too humid to move much, and in the winter we’re on our best behavior for the snowbirds (heh heh).

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    The Moar You Know says:

    A white person is going to have to die at this psycho’s hands before he’s finally stopped.

    And I don’t blame the guy for refusing to press charges. He’s already got one guy threatening to kill him. Why make it a million more?

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    Belafon says:

    @Gex: I think, in their minds, that if it becomes common knowledge that you are carrying, the shooter will try to find you first. If you don’t know who is armed, then you’ll think everyone is.

    We’ve all heard this logic before, and you’ll notice it’s never stopped people from shooting others.

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    Trollhattan says:

    “Florida Man” strikes again. We all knew that once he was set free to roam amongst the decent, his acquittal and wingnut encouragement would pump his self-esteem to new heights, and everybody else would be in grave danger. It will not, it cannot end well, and all we can hope is nobody else has to die before this fuck is either dead or in prison forever.

  23. 23

    @big ole hound:

    Why does the victim have to press charges?

    Because they’d be the prosecution’s star, and in this case only, witness. If the only person who claims to have seen a crime refuses to testify, there’s not much of a case left.

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    @jayboat:

    And way too much time on his hands.

    He really needs to be given a job breaking rocks or making license plates.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    As I remember, George Zimmerman was acquitted because the jury, for whatever reason, didn’t have the nerve to convict him. Since then he appears to have committed other offences like this one, and no one seems to have had the nerve to press charges against him either. Is he so frightening in person, or so well connected, or so popular in Florida, as to be untouchable? Not that I can see. I am mystified.

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    raven says:

    Speaking of Florida, since the dopes in Jacksonville put a pool in the damn endzone seats and screwed up the seating we won’t get tickets until the 30th! How’s a brother supposed to make a buck??

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    @Belafon:

    If you don’t know who is armed, then you’ll think everyone is.

    Unless, of course, you know that you’re somewhere guns are prohibited, in which case you assume it’s open season. It would be a more convincing theory if there weren’t plenty of mass shootings in places where guns are allowed, mass shootings of on-duty police, etc.

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    Archon says:

    He’s a violent sociopath, violent sociopaths don’t go “Wow, I just beat a murder case I better stay out of trouble and work on my anger issues”.

    100 percent chance he’s dead or in jail in the next 3 years.

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    Gex says:

    @Belafon: I get that. But the point is they are acting as though the biggest risk in the school are staff who carry. That the school administration and staff cannot be trusted. And so I find the solution they propose, encouraging the administration and staff to carry, to be really stupid as it is questionable that armed good guys can do much in a shooting situation while they acknowledge that the bad guys may already be in the building, they just want to make sure those guys feel comfortable packing at work.

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    @Amir Khalid:
    I think there’s a well-founded belief that he will be allowed out on bail with access to guns until his trial, which means potential witnesses are rationally scared of being murdered before they have a chance to testify. Sadly, he’s probably going to keep this crap up until he does something serious enough to be held without bail or tries to intimidate somebody with a gun who decides to stand his ground.

  31. 31

    I have nothing to add to this discussion, since several commenters have already expressed my sole thought, which is, “What will it take?”

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    shelley says:

    @bemused: Not from any sense of shame (don’t make me laugh) but I think even Fox news is sick of this guy.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    As I remember, George Zimmerman was acquitted because the jury, for whatever reason, didn’t have the nerve to convict him. Since then he appears to have committed other offences like this one, and no one seems to have had the nerve to press charges against him either. Is he so frightening in person, or so well connected, or so popular in Florida, as to be untouchable? Not that I can see. I am mystified.

    @Amir Khalid: Nobody is scared of Zimmerman. The Angry Wingnut Flying Monkey Brigade of his “supporters” is another thing entirely. They are plentiful, armed, and have poor impulse control.

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    PaulW says:

    Zimmerman’s losing it.

    I don’t think he’s got a job right now (who would hire him?).

    He’s got really nothing else going for him but his reputation and infamy.

    He’s clearly got anger management issues up the wazoo: don’t forget, this guy is a habitual domestic abuser, and someone who’s always of the mindset that he can game the system, blame his victim(s) and get away with his violence.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Such things can and do happen.

    The Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department said Thursday that a man who was killed this week in the Arden area recently testified in the barbershop murder trial.

    Officers said Marquelle Jones, 24, was driving a vehicle late Tuesday night on the 2000 block of Alta Arden Expressway when he lost control of the vehicle and crashed into a center median near an In-N-Out Burger. He was found dead in the vehicle from a gunshot wound.

    Jones testified as a witness in the South Sacramento barbershop case involving the shooting death of a 30-year-old mother, Monique Nelson, in 2010, according to the Sheriff’s Department.

    On Aug. 20, Louis James Mitchell, 22, and Lonnie Orland Mitchell Jr., 27, were found guilty of first-degree murder in Nelson’s death. In addition, James Leo Carney, 35, was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and the use of a firearm. Carney was found not guilty of first-degree murder.

    http://www.kcra.com/news/local.....z3D7wsc9UU

    Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

  36. 36
    gian says:

    Frankly just like there’s always a faster car, there’s always a faster better gunslinger. The question is will Mr Zimmerman find the faster gun before he kills again.

  37. 37
    Cervantes says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I am mystified.

    It’s the “crazy man” hypothesis in action, that if people think you’re dangerously insane, they will not dare cross you.

    On a different scale it used to be official US foreign policy, beginning in the Nixon Administration.

  38. 38
    bemused says:

    @shelley:

    It’s always amusing when they champion some low life Zimmerman and when he/she becomes too toxic even for the rightwing and then it’s silence followed by a rapid change of subject.

  39. 39
    LAC says:

    @Archon: it couldn’t be too soon for me. Fucking clown…

  40. 40
    Gopher2b says:

    Honesty, I’m inclined to move to Florida, follow Zimmerman around until he looks at me sideways, and pop in the head.

    No worries, I’m white. I’ll get off.

  41. 41
    srv says:

    As sad day for us all:

    Embattled Toronto mayor Rob Ford has ended his bid for re-election after doctors found a tumor in his abdomen.

    “I’m unable to continue my campaign for re-election as your Mayor,” Ford said in a statement released Friday afternoon. “With the advice of my doctors I know I need to focus on getting better.

    Who will represent Canada now?

  42. 42

    Interesting, though, that the conservative base’s Great Hero has gone down in flames again .. and again. Guess he won’t be getting that Fox News hosting gig after all.

  43. 43
    Dog On Porch says:

    He recognized Zimmerman, called the police, and then decline to press charges? Zimmerman is a psycho, but that guy is an idiot.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    the man recognized the truck driver as Zimmerman. The man said Zimmerman then asked, “Do you know who I am?” and threatened to kill him.

    Two days later, the man said he saw Zimmerman in his truck outside his workplace. He called police but declined to press charges.

    WHY on earth did the guy NOT PRESS CHARGES? When are people going to learn this guy is a danger to society and must be stopped?

    Was he afraid Zimmerman now feels he’s frigging omnipotent and might come back and kill him later?

    Seriously, this mother eff’r gets away with this crap time and time again with absolutely no consequences, and a thousand miles a way a 75 pound 14 year old gets body slammed and put in handcuffs essentially for using her cell phone in class.

  45. 45
    rikyrah says:

    AND STILL he wasn’t arrested.

    uh huh

  46. 46

    @Gex:
    I think their counter-argument is that laws prohibiting guns on school property are unlikely to deter anyone who’s already intending to commit murder. The worry about revealing the names of the people with guns not because they’re worried about their fellow teachers killing people but because they think the names will leak out to the general public, including any would-be mass shooter who will now know who to target first.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @srv: His brother, of course.

    @Roger Moore: That kind of thinking is insane. The paranoia cannot be healthy for the kids. of course, an armed teacher cannot be healthy for the kids.

    If I had a child in school there, I’d demand to know which teachers are armed and that my child be removed from any such classrooms. Of course it would require litigation, but it would be well worth the expense.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    The only thing that can save us now from Zimmerman is the off chance one of those “Plentiful, Armed, Angry Wingnut Flying Monkey Brigaders” meets up with him and has to Stand Their Ground.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Zimmerman then asked, “Do you know who I am?”

    Too late to run in 2014, but he might consider running for US Congress in 2016. Zimmerman just needs to get the voters to know him a bit better.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @The Moar You Know: Last night I got curious and read up on how Western Europe went from Roman empire awesomeness to Early Middle Ages suck. And the short answer is that a bunch of jacked up marauding Teutonic warlords kept going to war with their brothers and cousins and nephews and shit over succession, and both disease and war traveled the Roman roads to completely destroy civilization. During this period the economy collapsed because trade routes were shut down because these fucking dipshits made the roads unsafe.

    Okay, fast forward to the 90 year period from the end of Reconstruction to the passage of the CRA and VRA, when local warlords–the “invisible empire” turned the Deep South into a police state with highwaymen, “cops”, making the roads impassible. The local and regional economy ground to a halt. They also ‘colonized’ bus and train stations to further impede the movement of people and goods. (The only lifeline for a few industrial cities and ports was the IC to NOLA and Southern RR which connected Atlanta and Birmingham to NYC for commercial traffic.)

    This is how it happens. This is how civilization ends. You make the roads unsafe so that people and goods cannot travel. You let local strongmen, warlords, knights, whatever you want to call it, set up local protection rackets and shakedown anyone unwary enough to attempt to travel. Kill a few randomly pour encourager les autres. As the economy collapses, cities empty out and desperate people engage in subsistence farming. If the landlords are quick enough on the uptake, convert the ‘villains’ to sharecroppers/serfs. Ironically, what we would call slavery requires a more functional economy, but a sharecropping/serfdom system is pretty typical in a highly authoritarian state with an underdeveloped economy–medieval Poland under the Junkers, early modern Russia, and of course post-Reconstruction American South. Of course the South developed a convict-labor system, showing a higher degree of state organization and bureaucratization than the Longobards ever had.

    This is what Zimmerman and his enablers want for Florida and the US as a whole. Some real third world dark ages shit. Maybe it’s fourth world, I mean what do you call a place where agriculture collapses and people flee cities, countryside is swallowed by forest, population drops by 2/3 and people are hunting deer in the woods like their ancestors 3000 years earlier? When we talk about third world we pretty much assume a functional hopefully sustainable agricultural economy. That’s what Florida’s got but apparently that’s too good for the likes of Floridians. For one thing Florida’s #1 crop is strawberries, and tomatoes are probably #2 or #3, if not, oranges are #2. They require seasonal workers from places like Central America, the West Indies, and the Yucatan, many of whom do not speak English or even Spanish, to arrive across international borders and somehow travel at the right time to follow the crop for a few critical weeks of harvesting (while the farmers try to take their wages back in rent and other bullshit). If Florida roads turn into a killing zone, what happens then? Georgia tried using their police force to harass alien laborers, causing immediate economic losses. CIVILIZATION IS NOT SHIT THAT JUST HAPPENS.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I hope the morons on the jury that acquitted Zimmerman of murdering Trayvon Martin are kept apprised of his every scrape with the law and report of menacing behavior.

    They did not do their job well. He is walking the streets, and got his weapons back, because of their stupidity.

    I am guessing Zimmerman gets killed or dies before he kills again, but it could go any way.

  52. 52
    Penus says:

    Someone was jealous that Darren Wilson was getting so much attention.

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    ronin122 says:

    I am all for some ruling or law or whatever that disallows Georgie Boy from leaving Florida. They wanted to free him from murder charges because the victim was a blah, then they can deal with him solo. If that means he runs amuk, then hey their f*cking problem.

  54. 54
    The Other Chuck says:

    There are people whose graves I’ll gleefully dance on: Rush, Hannity, Cheney. If and when Zimmerman finally offs himself, I can’t say I’ll feel the same. He may be a thug and a murderer, but I’m mostly just disgusted and ashamed at being part of a society that produces and encourages such a person.

  55. 55
    gvg says:

    Actually it strikes me that the guy is getting close to suicide by cop. He is acting dangerous, someone is going to react. he ought to know. I wouldn’t call it guilt but frankly an amazing number of people DO hate him and are watching his every further screwup. I don’t see how he could make his life OK again….I don’t think he can have any job prospects.

  56. 56
    Patrick says:

    Here’s what Juror 37 claimed after the verdict:

    “But he wanted to do good. I think he had good in his heart, he just went overboard,” the juror said.

    Asked later whether she thought Zimmerman was within his rights, she was unequivocal: “He was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin.”
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/us/zimmerman-juror/

    Talk about being clueless…

  57. 57
    Waynski says:

    @srv:

    Who will represent Canada now?

    Mike Myers?

  58. 58
    Phantom 309 says:

    @Elizabelle: Unfortunately, if this piece of human sludge is killed, he’ll be considered a martyr.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @Another Holocene Human: Could not agree more.

    I’ve been bouncing in and out of “third world” countries for most of my life, and in general they function well. They can’t afford things like antibiotics and soap and the plethora of things that keep infant mortality down, but if they could afford them they could get them, because they won’t be stolen by some warlord or rentier. There may not be formal rule of law, but there is very powerful rule of custom.

    As you state, that’s not what the Zimmerman supporters want. You get a better idea of what they’re looking for in quite a bit of Mexico these days, or what’s left of the Islamist-controlled areas of Somalia (most of Somalia got sick of their shit and seceded many years ago, and that part of the nation is actually quite decent), where local lords/warlords/pimps hold the power of life and death over anyone in their limited domains, and steal (and frequently kill) from anyone passing through. As you note, the American South worked that way for over a hundred years.

    They want to be kings, even if it’s just king of a cul-de-sac or a gated community. Which Zimmerman was, until he became a liability to everyone else living there.

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    @The Moar You Know:

    They want to be kings, even if it’s just king of a cul-de-sac or a gated community.

    Or even just their family. Even worse, they’re happy having a tyrant ruling over them as long as they can play the petty tyrant in their own little area. They don’t want freedom, they want hierarchy because they know their status as men guarantees them that they won’t be at the very bottom.

  61. 61
    Matt says:

    FFS, GZ has what appears to be a serious “I wanna be a cop” fetish:

    http://www.clickorlando.com/ne.....t/27202982

    That’s a report from the gun store where he’s taken up “patrolling” without the consent of the owner. This guy is going to get *somebody* killed, himself or whoever gets in the way…

  62. 62
    Gravenstone says:

    @srv: His brother, Doug, is taking the slot. I’m sure you’re relieved.

  63. 63
    rikyrah says:

    ABC Foreign Desk ✔ @WorldNews
    Follow
    Just in: Rob Ford drops out of Toronto mayor race, brother Doug Ford will run in his place – @mollymhunter
    11:58 AM – 12 Sep 2014

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @srv:

    Who will represent Canada now?

    Bieber?

  66. 66
    Anoniminous says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Can’t have a functioning society if sociopaths are in control. A functioning society must have areas of give-and-take. Sociopaths escalate any perceived threat, no matter how tiny, to violence.

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    bemused says:

    @Patrick:

    More clueless I heard not long ago on msnbc. Some woman said referring to Rice, if a woman hits a man, a man has the right to hit her back.

  68. 68
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @srv: @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: @rikyrah: Where have you gone, Jean Beliveau, our nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you

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    Jebediah, RBG says:

    @bemused:

    More clueless I heard not long ago on msnbc. Some woman said referring to Rice, if a woman hits a man, a man has the right to hit her back.

    I have been seeing some nonsense like that on twitter. If you follow our old friend ABL, she seems to attract a fair amount of jerkasses*, who make jerkassy comments. I’m not thrilled that she gets to deal with that, but it can be one way to keep up with what the lowest common denominator is thinking.

    *I’m as shocked as anybody that an intelligent, opinionated, outspoken black lady would attract jerkasses. After all, everybody here remembers that her comment threads were always completely calm, thoughtful, and respectful. Nary a moron ever would show up to her posts to comment moronically.

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    Seth Owen says:

    Somebody needs to press charges. I understand it is a hassle, but it’s really your civic duty. This guy is going to keep going until he kills somebody else. it’s only a matter of time.

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    roc says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Within five years, he’ll either kill someone else, kill himself or both. I’d bet large money on it.

    I’m honestly surprised he got denied Wingnut Welfare. Not-Joe the Non-Plumber is still working the circuit. Yet Zimmerman’s only remaining job prospect is writing an “If I did it”. It’s kinda weird.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cacti:

    But Trayvon Martin was the real thug because he listened to that hippity hop music.

    Well, to be fair, he was also wearing a hoodie, he was carrying deadly skittles in his pocket, and he also had access to a sidewalk he could have used to attack pure as the driven snow around a Chinese coal-fueled power plant George Zimmerman.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @bemused: For that one woman, I’ll make an exception to the rule that reciprocity is not called for.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    if a woman hits a man, a man has the right to hit her back.

    @bemused: Time for some fun.

    1. Legally, absolutely not the case. You have the right to use enough force, and no more, to prevent/stop an assault on your person. No more. In most cases, this simply means you’re allowed to walk away and nothing else.

    2. Never mind the legalities. Let’s talk morals. Eye for an eye. Well, maybe you have the right, save that morality also dictates that you’re not supposed to go beating on those weaker than you, and certainly Mrs. Rice is no physical match for Mr. Rice. Rod Stewart might have an argument if his current spouse took a whack at him, as she is a good foot taller and forty years younger than he is. But…back to those legalities. Walk away.

    3. The weakest argument in some ways, but maybe it should be the strongest. Men shouldn’t hit women under any circumstances because it’s a gauche, no-class dirtbag thing to do, on a level with crapping in the street or stealing from a blind man.

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    LongHairedWeirdo says:

    @Amir Khalid: Actually, the law in Florida is such that if a random person – not George ZImmerman, just Joe RandomGuy were to:
    1) start a fight, and then
    2) get put on the ground, and be about to be beaten up

    he would be lawfully allowed to kill the person with whom he started the fight. He can’t retreat and he is reasonably in fear of grave bodily injury.

    Given there were witnesses placing Trayvon in control, and since no one raised the ridiculously minor injuries or asked how a guy draws a gun from his left butt cheek while being straddled with his head pounded on the ground, there didn’t seem to be any way that a jury could convict. Plus, there were multiple jurors who were steadfast for acquittal from the instant deliberations started.

    Juror nerve didn’t seem to play a role here.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @rikyrah: Oh, this is good. It’s like Jeb Bush running for President. Same utterly corrupt crime family.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    or stealing from a blind man.

    The Marquis de Mittens begs to disagree with you as he plunders pension funds for fun and profit.

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    PaulW says:

    Who will represent Canada now?

    Bryan Adams.

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    Svensker says:

    @srv:

    Who will represent Canada now?

    His brother will run for mayor. (His brother is like Rob, without the charm.) Rob himself will run for city council and probably win the spot (his nephew is vacating the seat to let him run.) If he’s not dead from cancer, he should be a real thorn in the new mayor’s side.

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    Svensker says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Legally, absolutely not the case. You have the right to use enough force, and no more, to prevent/stop an assault on your person. No more. In most cases, this simply means you’re allowed to walk away and nothing else.

    Well, except for Stand Your Ground states, where you’re justified in blasting away with your shotgun till the other person is dead.

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    Trollhattan says:

    O/T Will be curious how the American wing of Likud (much of Congress) will respond to this.

    Dozens of veterans of an elite Israeli military signals intelligence unit have said they will no longer serve in operations against Palestinians. Forty-three past and present reservists signed a letter about Unit 8200, which carries out electronic surveillance.

    They said the intelligence it gathered – much of it concerning innocent people – was used to “deepen military rule” in the Occupied Territories. Israel’s military said it held the unit to ethical standards “without rival”.

    Unit 8200 is the Israeli military’s central intelligence gathering body and is often likened to the US National Security Agency (NSA). The protest letter signed by the veterans of the unit was sent to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and armed forces chiefs.

    Intelligence allows ongoing control over millions of people, thorough and intrusive monitoring and invasion into most aspects of life”

    The newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth quoted the letter as saying that unlike in other countries there was “no oversight on methods of intelligence or tracking, and the use of intelligence information against the Palestinians, regardless of whether they are connected to violence or not”.

    “We refuse to take part in actions against Palestinians and refuse to continue serving as a tool for deepening military rule in the Occupied Territories,” the letter added.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29179655

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    Patrick says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    1. Legally, absolutely not the case. You have the right to use enough force, and no more, to prevent/stop an assault on your person. No more. In most cases, this simply means you’re allowed to walk away and nothing else.

    If this is the law, then shouldn’t Zimmerman be in some prison serving time by now?

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    Liquid says:

    His dumb ass will self destruct soon enough. You know what’s a real crime? having the first 30 seconds of this — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV14jq2n-jg stuck in my head for going on two days now.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    For one thing Florida’s #1 crop is strawberries, and tomatoes are probably #2 or #3, if not, oranges are #2

    All of Florida’s crops are inedible except for citrus, without the massive use of pesticides and fungicides nothing would make it market.

    This message brought to you by the Garden State.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Plus, there were multiple jurors who were steadfast for acquittal from the instant deliberations started.

    @LongHairedWeirdo: That, and the DA deliberately threw the case. Putting Janae on the stand with no preparation or coaching was a move designed to antagonize the jury against black folks, not generate sympathy for the victim.

    And oh boy did that work well. She was angry, surly, and talked like the uneducated (but not stupid) twenty year old black woman she was. The DA could not have turned the jury against Trayvon – the victim – any better no matter how hard they tried.

    Had the DA put in even an hour coaching the young lady this case would have had a far different verdict. But the DA did not want a different verdict.

    If this is the law, then shouldn’t Zimmerman be in some prison serving time by now?

    @Patrick: Forgot the obvious disclaimer: does not apply in SYG states.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Trollhattan: Some of them have not forgotten what “Never Again” means.

    They’ve been at the brink of the abyss, and turned away.

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    Patrick says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Forgot the obvious disclaimer: does not apply in SYG states. I know and I know what you meant. I was just being silly. Words can’t describe the stupidity of SYG.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Patrick:

    Words can’t describe the stupidity of SYG.

    Oh, I don’t know. “Legalized murder” would be a good start.

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    Jebediah, RBG says:

    @srv:

    Who will represent Canada now?

    I nominate Ricky, Julian, and Mr. Lahey.

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    bemused says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I can’t imagine how a woman can think that way. It was shocking to hear. Later I saw it repeated, she was a big fan and white if that has any bearing on her words.How do women grow up believing that it’s ok to hit a woman…cant even.

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    Shakezula says:

    I am just thrilled that I get to go to the Suck SIG State next week.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    I’m wanting to wait for an open thread, but joy, Ian fuckin’ Paisley is dead.

    Ian Paisley on the Discrimination against Catholics

    So, but lets have a good tune,

    oro se do bheatha bhaile

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @The Pale Scot: Opps

    wrong tune

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    Patrick says:

    @bemused:

    Romney won the white women vote 56-44 over Obama. Obama who favors equal pay etc for women which Romney was not exactly in favor of. Go figure…

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    scav says:

    @bemused: Easy way to get noticed. Establish your personal branding as not one of those “whining” feminists. Doesn’t matter what comes out of the lips, so long as the brand sells.

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    HR Progressive says:

    Have to think there’s a nonzero chance that Zimmerman pops off his mouth or gun-boner one too many times, and another Floridian invokes “Stand Your Ground” against him.

    Yadda, yadda, “wishing death upon people”, but seriously, after all the incidents Zimmerman has been involved in – above and beyond killing Trayvon Martin – who here would be surprised if you one day read a story with the headline: “GEORGE ZIMMERMAN KILLED: STAND YOUR GROUND LAW CITED”?

    I know I wouldn’t. Nor would I feel the least bit sorry for him.

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    bemused says:

    @Patrick:

    I’ve about given up on trying to understand it. There are blinders on is the best I can come up with. Once those are off, as women who have been abused have told me, they recognize male bullies a mile away. One said she can see her daughter is verbally abused by her partner but her daughter can’t.

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    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name) says:

    Test

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Romney won the white women vote 56-44 over Obama. Obama who favors equal pay etc for women which Romney was not exactly in favor of. Go figure…

    @Patrick: Thought you were drunk or trolling. My sincere apologies. You are entirely correct.

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    @Trollhattan:

    Dozens of veterans of an elite Israeli military signals intelligence unit have said they will no longer serve in operations against Palestinians.

    Just a bunch of self-hating Jews.

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    srv says:

    @Svensker: So he’s like the John McCain of Canada w/o all the medals and plane crashes?

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    @HR Progressive: That means he’s met a bigger sociopath, which is frankly scary.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Roger Moore: Anti-Semites.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Patrick:

    Romney won the white women vote 56-44 over Obama. Obama who favors equal pay etc for women which Romney was not exactly in favor of. Go figure…

    As you know, people vote against their self-interest all the time.

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    seefleur says:

    @Archon: From your lips to the goddess’ ear…

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    john fremont says:

    White Evangelical and Catholic Christian pro-life voters are probably the bulk of those women Romney supporters.@Cervantes:

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    Robzo says:

    @gian:
    Actually, Zimmerman lost the last time, too, if you take his story at face value. He claims to have been decked by a 150-lb. kid and only shot the kid after (supposedly) the kid was on top of him, punching him. If that had been an adult, especially one with any skills who was bent on doing him harm, he’d have at least lost the gun. My point being that having the firearm wasn’t much defense at all, he just got lucky (according to his story, which admittedly is of doubtful veracity).

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