From the LA Times, “China complains SAT may impose American values on its best students“:
Chinese students have shown an insatiable appetite for attending U.S. colleges — last year alone, more than 235,000 were enrolled at American institutions of higher education. But now, some in China are grousing that the SAT may impose American values on its best and brightest, who in preparation for the exam might be studying the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights instead of “The Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung.”…
The U.S. College Board in March announced plans to redesign the SAT to include key U.S. historical documents in one portion of the test, known as the Evidence-Based Reading and Writing, by spring 2016.
“The vital issues central to these documents — freedom, justice, and human dignity among them — have motivated numerous people in the United States and around the globe,” the College Board said in a statement.
But those are the exact values that the Chinese Communist Party has deemed as threatening to its rule; Chinese activists who have tried to promote such values have been silenced or jailed. Human rights advocate Xu Zhiyong, who initiated the New Citizens Movement to promote such values, was sentenced in January to four years in prison….
Meanwhile, in another place, James R. Grossman in the NYTimes on “The New History Wars“:
… Last month, the College Board released a revised “curriculum framework” to help high school teachers prepare students for the Advanced Placement test in United States history. Like the college courses the test is supposed to mirror, the A.P. course calls for a dialogue with the past — learning how to ask historical questions, interpret documents and reflect both appreciatively and critically on history.
Navigating the tension between patriotic inspiration and historical thinking, between respectful veneration and critical engagement, is an especially difficult task, made even more complicated by a marked shift in the very composition of “we the people.” This fall, whites will constitute a minority of public-school students in the United States. “Our” past is now more diverse than we once thought, whether we like it or not.
It turns out that some Americans don’t like it. A member of the Texas State Board of Education has accused the College Board of “promoting among our students a disdain for American principles and a lack of knowledge of major American achievements,” like those of the founding fathers and of the generals who fought in the Civil War and World War II. The Republican National Committee says the framework offers “a radically revisionist view” that “emphasizes negative aspects of our nation’s history.” Stanley Kurtz, in National Review, called it “an attempt to hijack the teaching of U.S. history on behalf of a leftist political and ideological perspective.”…
Roger Moore
Once again, the Republicans aren’t upset that there’s ideology going on in History, just that their own Lost Cause and American Exceptionalism aren’t given exclusive billing.
KG
you know, for someone on the losing side of the Civil War, you’d think they’d want to kinda ignore and explain away that part. though, i suppose that’s what they already do, with the whole “the
War of Northern AggressionWar of Southern Treason wasn’t really about slavery.”BGinCHI
Shorter Republicans: Students should not think about history; they should just memorize the facts.
You know why very few of these people are teachers? They suck at it. And what’s worse, they are terrified that if anyone thinks about something they might start to question it.
In the 1770s, these people were called Loyalists. The original Un-Americans.
Garbo
Sorry to be OT, but some good news:
Shanesha (she who left her kids in the car during job interview) has gotten custody back.
Warren Terra
I’d be eager to hear from anyone with actual knowledge, but my suspicion would be that the Chinese state and its education system likely pay ample lip service to “freedom, justice, and human dignity” whatever the actual rules people have to live by, and that if anything the Chinese students should be especially well prepared for the hypocrisy of extolling freedom while imposing conformity.
Mike in NC
Clearly the indoctrination of public school children to appreciate American Exceptionalism means their delicate minds must be protected from such things as the genocide of the native population and hundreds of years of African slavery.
I can’t imagine what sort of bullshit goes into those textbooks they churn out in Texas.
Keith G
I suspect that we will be hearing more about this and other such issues, since healthcare and teh Gays are diminishing as rallying points.
John N
Anyone else think its funny that we revere the founding fathers, when the first constitution they wrote had to be abandoned almost immediately because it didn’t work at all, and the second one they wrote led to a civil war within one generation?
Can we stop treating these guys like they had some kind of special prescience? The only thing that has held what they did together for so long is the process they provided in the document to correct their mistakes.
BGinCHI
@John N: Fat Tony would spin in his grave if he read your comment.
John N
@BGinCHI: Oh, if only!
Eric U.
@John N: I think history has made them look pretty smart, although the slavery issue was something they couldn’t solve. They also screwed up on religion, because they should have put, “no state religion, we really mean it maaaaan!” in there a batch of times instead of in the amendments.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Translated; they are teaching history and not mythology.
Cervantes
@Warren Terra:
Here’s the Chinese Constitution.
BGinCHI
@Eric U.: How about some clarity on Amendment #2.
Something like, “DO not grossly enable people to shoot other people….”
Matt McIrvin
@KG: They’re talking about Robert E. Lee.
Darkrose
@Garbo: Very good news–thanks for the update.
Linnaeus
Isn’t history one of those useless fields that the Chinese are ignoring in favor of becoming engineers and technicians?
Robert M.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
It’s cliche at this point, but the problem is that facts have a well-known liberal bias. Factual history is, accordingly, ideologically suspect from the point of view of a movement conservative.
RaflW
Do the morons in Texas understand that the College Board is a nonprofit and not the damn gubmit?
Linnaeus
@John N:
Something the Framers themselves would say today, methinks.
Crusty Dem
Funny, if the SATs are anything like the GREs in China, everyone will cheat and end up with near-perfect scores, making honest evaluation by American Universities completely impossible…
Linnaeus
@BGinCHI:
To be fair, the Patriots in the 1770s could be called the original traitors.
Hobbes
@Eric U.: Plenty of other places had solved the slavery issue by then.
John N
@Eric U.: If they seem smart because our country later rose to world prominence, then I think the credit should more correctly go to those people who were actually at the helm when that happened. If they seem smart because later actors were able to bend the words of the Constitution to fit more modern policies, then we should be giving credit to the clever lawyers who were able to do that, not to the poorly drafted document.
Fuck, the credit for everything should REALLY go to John Marshall.
Keith G
@Mike in NC:
Having spent 20 + years teaching government and related courses in Texas public schools, let me assure you that textbooks in that state are not an impediment to a useful, inquiry-based education. Before the move to Texas, I taught in Ohio. Textbooks are pretty much standard commodities that play a role, but are not as important as the curriculum or the ingenuity of a good classroom teacher. Even in the face of some sort-sighted curriculum choices, a motivated instructor can do a lot to see that other important ideas are presented.
The good news is that the College Board in not the servant of some inbred Tennessean legislator.
John N
@Linnaeus: At least they knew that if they failed, they would be executed for treason, so they were brave, at least. Unlike today’s cowardly loser brigade, who want to have their cake and eat it, too.
Trollhattan
This post reminded me to update my copy of the Texas Republican Party Platform.
And so forth.
ETA whoops, forgot the Most Importantest Thing:
WaterGirl
@Garbo: I googled and say a headline something like “Shenesha catches a break”. I would hardly describe 5 months without her children as catching a break. Geez.
Still I am glad to see that she got her kids back. I hope she can find a good job and make a good life. I think the “break” she caught was when her story went viral on the internet and enough people cared about her to donate 114,000.
P.S. I must be having an angry day, because I was about to write “those fuckers would have locked her up and thrown away the key”. Giving myself a self-imposed time out.
Schlemizel
SAT claims to predict the success of a student during their first year at university. Women & minorities score lower on average than white males but women and minorities tend to out perform their SAT scores while white males underperform.
F[orget] the Chinese! Why the F[ool] does any university give any credence to the F[lipping] SAT score?
BGinCHI
@Linnaeus: Pistols at dawn!
Wait, make that 9:30. I have a meeting.
Keith G
@Keith G: Note: I cite the issue in Tennessee because the story that I read earlier today about this mentioned a legislator there raising the same issue.
Schlemizel
@Garbo:
I hope the money raised for her sets a base that she can build on. Nobody deserves to have gone through that for the reason she did. I hope they all can grow a happy home from here on out.
MomSense
@John N:
It also took us a long time to write the first constitution, hold elections, and deal with some of our original sins (many are still unaddressed!) but we certainly do freak out when it takes Libya or Egypt, etc. longer than we deem necessary to do the same things.
Schlemizel
@MomSense:
It is ‘funny’ how few Americans can detail Shays Rebellion or the Whiskey Rebellion or describe why the original Articles of Confederation failed. Those are topics all these mouth-breathing morans should have to do a term paper on before they are allowed to discuss the founders and their plan of the nation.
Liberty60
@Linnaeus:
Can you imagine the screams of outrage if Obama took a pair of scissors to the Bible and cut out parts he didn’t agree with, like Thomas Jefferson did?
Keith G
@Trollhattan:
Again in Texas, I told my HS Government students that reciting the pledge was an optional ceremony that they could not be compelled to do.
One morning a roaming asst. principal walked by my class and at the end of the pledge asked me to step out of the door for a word. He was told by me, respectfully, that my students were very proud to live in a country that in the normal run of life one could not be compelled to say things that they did not at that moment feel like saying.
The kids enjoyed that teachable moment.
My score at bucking the system was not perfect, but it was always fun.
Baud
You would think the RNC would have supported teaching kids about Reagan’s impact on America.
Mike J
@Hobbes: England didn’t really until 1841, and America was part of their empire until 1781.
John N
@MomSense: They may be an inferior race of people, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still expect more of them then we do of ourselves!
bemused
These conservatives are dictatorial and terrified, scared stupid that they are being marginalized as the top dogs and hell-bent on having their way no matter how quickly their caucasian, christianist, conservatives numbers are dropping. They’re fighting a losing battle.
KG
@John N: in fairness to the Founders/Framers, they were essentially flying blind as they built our system of government. There wasn’t much of anything that existed at the time that looked like democracy or representative government.
It’s probably more amazing that the basic system stayed in place until the 1930s when the nature of interstate commerce really started to change and the administrative “branch” was developed. It wasn’t the constitution that led to the Civil War, it was the fact that nobody could “solve” slavery and its related issues in a way that created a consensus (which is why we had half a century of “compromises” about it).
Villago Delenda Est
@RaflW:
No.
SATSQ.
JaneE
I can remember telling my mother that George Washington didn’t really chop down a cherry tree, apparently she remembered it as factual. Then again, little more than a decade later I had to explain to her what “fellatio” meant.
I hope they expose children to the original source material as much as possible. And from as many points of view as possible. I have just started reading “12 Years a Slave”, but it is exactly the sort of history that was glossed over when I was a kid. There have always been good and bad parts of our society and culture, and we really need to understand both of them.
Ripley
American Exceptionalism: “Every developed nation has universal healthcare EXCEPT America!”
Add your own, it’s depressing fun.
Cervantes
@JaneE: I hope your mother appreciated the information.
Re slavery, have you read Toni Morrison’s Beloved? It’s fiction, but not really.
Botsplainer
@John N:
Thank you. I quit calling them reverential names years ago for the very reasons you cite.
The American Revolution was one of opportunity, and for every lofty-languaged pundit of enlightenment in the movement, there were 10 Teabagging shopkeepers and small tradesmen acting at the beck and call of wealthier finance and farm players who wanted to be a new aristocracy to supplant the British nobility. A massive ocean and limited technology were the final necessary ingredients.
El Caganer
@Keith G: That article is great! I never knew Einstein was an American icon; always thought he did most of the work he was famous for before he came here. And how could any study of American History overlook that watershed event in 20th-century America, the Holocaust? Mix this with veneration for the Declaration and the Founders, and you have the makings of a pretty bizarre curriculum.
Lurking Canadian
@JaneE: too easy, but…
Which source material do you recommend when covering fellatio?
PurpleGirl
@BGinCHI: Not memorize the facts (which have a liberal bias). Just memorize the dates, names, and place names. No need to understand the actions, just know when it happened.
Baud
@Lurking Canadian:
BJ, of course!
Botsplainer
@Matt McIrvin:
They should have hung his traitorous ass like a common criminal. Fucker ran the population the size of a city around in the boondocks pillaging supplies just to prolong the conflict from 1863 on. There was no strategy – he was simply terrorizing on a scale greater than Quantrill, all to make the planter aristocrats happy by gaining an attrition/fatigue peace, and helping them realize their filthy dream.
Roger Moore
@Linnaeus:
No, it’s a field that Marx was extremely interested in, and consequently one that Marxists of all stripes have taken extremely seriously. That’s not to say, of course, that they treat it honestly, but they do care a lot about it.
FWIW, I think the Chinese are missing the plot. A little bit of familiarity with American history the way AP wants it taught is going to have a negligible influence on Chinese students compared to spending four years at an American university.
Botsplainer
@JaneE:
My recollection was that every American history book I had included an image of some disgusting Confederate officer praying next to a horse.
Dog On Porch
Those wily Chinese always have all the angles figured. They take the best, most successful accomplishments of the Texas GOP and turn them to their invariably devious ends. Wily indeed.
D58826
@El Caganer: Only slightly OT. The fact that the average American knows next to nothing about US history and less than nothing about world history is not really new. This lack of knowledge is reflected in the quality of our political leaders, esp. those in Washington. To suggest that they are dumber than a bag of doorknobs only insults the doorknobs.
We are seeing the on full display over the events in the middle east, esp. the rise of ISIS. Rand Paul wants an immediate military solution. Ben Nelson wants ISIS destroyed immediately. Mccain/Graham want to bomb something anything as long as it has a funny Arabic name. The list goes on and on and on.
I don’t know if the path that Obama is on is the best one but I suspect it is no worse than all of the others. What these critics seem to think is that ISIS just popped out of nowhere. They seem total oblivious that there is at least 1500 years of Sunni/Shia religious history running thru this conflict/
Just because Bush 43 didn’t know there were two main branches in Islam in 2003 is no excuse for Congress critters not having learned that fact by now. When this religious conflict started there was no Europe as we know it today. Europe was settling down to the Dark Ages with local lords fighting over scraps of land. The Eastern portion of the Roman Empire still controlled a large area of the Mediterranean.
After Vietnam, Cambodia, various misadventures in Lebanon and Iraq we haven’t learned that you can’t bomb an idea out of existence. All it does is grow back usually more extreme than before. Just ask the Israeli’s how successful they have been in bombing Hamas out of existence.
Unless we understand that the history of the people in the Middle East (or anywhere else for that matter) long predates ours and that we simply can’t swop in and fix it with a little American exceptional pixie dust. As long as we have a major portion of the political elite pushing to dummy down the teaching of history then we will continue to have leaders like Rand Paul and Louie Gohmert and we will lurch from one foreign policy swamp to another.. It’s rather amazing that we have stayed on the top of the heap for as long as we have given our ignorance of the world beyond where Kim K is spending her latest vacation.
Howard Beale IV
@Trollhattan:
What ‘God-given’ right is there to carry a firearm? Hell, if they’re going to go down that road, might as well bring back the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
PhoenixRising
@Roger Moore: pretty sure these are 2 unrelated testing/college prep stories.
To the 2nd point: I’m delighted by the new US History & Art History AP curricula. We struggle to find materials for our homeschooled teen that are rigorous in expectations but don’t have quite so much white supremacy baked into the cake. My wife’s field is post-Civil War Constitutional history and when she got a sample of the previous AP materials/test she was steamed for a month.
JaneE
@Cervantes: Have not read that yet.
I made the mistake of letting my mother read my sociology class reading list unsupervised. (back in the 60’s). She already knew most of what I was explaining, but the Latin terminology was new to her. I just thank God that my dad wasn’t there when she asked me what it meant.
skerry
@Botsplainer: I’m still looking for someone to explain to me why there is a city park in Baltimore named “Robert E. Lee Park”.
I don’t get it.
D58826
And the latest example of American patriotism
Lotts name is especially outrageous given the number of times the GOP has accused Obama of being a traitor.
Roger Moore
@MomSense:
OTOH, we were really making things up as we went along. Ours was actually the first formal, written constitution as we now understand the concept, so we were genuinely breaking new ground and had no strong reason to think it was going to work. In contrast, a country that’s writing a constitution today can pick from dozens of established ones to use as a basis. They also don’t have to worry about slow transportation and communications. It’s still silly to expect one to be written overnight, but it’s not unreasonable to expect people writing one today to do it a lot faster than we did.
Mike in NC
@skerry:
Having spent a lot of time in Baltimore, I wasn’t aware of that, but it was one of the border states where roughly half the population leaned Confederate.
Mike in NC
@D58826:
Trent Lott was a teabagger before the term was even coined. He infamously declared one time that America wouldn’t have any problems had Strom Thurmond been elected president in the 50s. That statement seemed to be one of the reasons he returned to the “private sector” to whore for money.
PhoenixRising
@Roger Moore:
Seconded. I interviewed the person who did the prep work for Japan’s current constitution. She was a 24 year old graduate of a small women’s college in CA where she majored in Japanese and political science at the time. It was a cut and paste job, basically.
skerry
@Mike in NC: It has a nice off-leash dog park. It is really a great park, I just don’t like the name.
Officially, it is in Baltimore County, just north of the city line but inside the beltway. I lived in the metro area for over 20 years before I heard about it.
I’ve tried to find the history of the place, to see how it was named, but have been unsuccessful. I find it odd.
El Caganer
@D58826: The US isn’t uniquely evil, which some of my fellow lefties believe; what it is is uniquely powerful. The country spent the latter part of the 19th century and most of the 20th whacking on other countries around the world and usually getting away with it. That didn’t require any actual knowledge, and little was learned (although much was supposedly learned) from dubious adventures in Korea and Vietnam. The whole thing is running out of gas as those parts of the world that have been on the receiving end of American exceptionalism have started to join together and resist. It will be a few more years before American imperialism dies out, and unfortunately the whole planet may die out with it.
Whatever. We’ll still always have something the wogs don’t: http://youtu.be/_W-fIn2QZgg
Hobbes
@D58826: You may find the ISI Civic Literacy Exam (from the 2008 survey) interesting. There’s 33 multi-choice questions, and after you’re done you can look at a table to see how others did on each question. I got 29 out of 33(and felt a bit embarrassed about 2 of the 4 I messed up), and I’m sure most of the people who comment here would do at least as well.
Howard Beale IV
@D58826:
One leetle issue: if SWIFT decides to lock out Russia these hires won’t be able to do squat, as SWIFT is (nominally) beyond the US’s reach.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Hobbes: 32/33. I missed one on the tenets of capitalism.
Roger Moore
@Hobbes:
I got 32 of 33, missing the definition of a public good. I found it interesting that the average citizen scored better on the exam than the average elected official.
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Say what you will about the tenets of capitalism, at least it’s an ethos.
justawriter
Up here in North Dakota we have already done our part to infect the Godless Red Chinese with Good Old Murican Values by taking their money and giving them something worthless in return. https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2012/02/13/dickinson-state-faces-report-bogus-degrees-suicide
Anne Laurie
@BGinCHI:
“Why can’t they just memorize the approved list of our Great General-Kings, and learn to properly revere their ancestors, the way
ConfuciusJeebus intended?”D58826
@El Caganer: I don’t think we are uniquely evil. On balance we probably have done better by most of the world than other super powers have but we really aren’t God’s chosen, no matter what Hucklebee and pat Robertson say
El Caganer
@Anne Laurie: If it’s not in a David Barton book, I’m not gonna believe it.
skerry
@Hobbes: Woo Hoo. I got them all right.
What’s my prize?
Linnaeus
@Roger Moore:
Oh, I get that. I was being a little tongue-in-cheek with my prior comment; it’s not uncommon these days to hear something along the lines of “The Chinese are kicking our asses because they’re teaching their young people subjects that matter and not stupid liberal arts crap.”
Hobbes
@skerry: I’m blowing you a kiss now. Allow 3-8 days for delivery.
Howard Beale IV
@D58826:
Surprisingly enough, uncle Pat has gotten a few clues as of late; moreso than Hackabee has.
WaterGirl
@Hobbes: Thanks for the link to the quiz.
Beyond all the obvious things, I really enjoyed the composition of the incorrect answers!
docg
Dear China,
How are you? I am fine. And please feel free to educate your own students.
Bye
PS: Please leave Tibet alone.
Cervantes
@El Caganer:
That wouldn’t be straw, would it?
skerry
@Hobbes: Thanks!
I sent the link to my kids. It will be interesting to see how they do. One is political science major, so I expect her to do well. The others…we’ll see.
Neat link.
Anoniminous
@Hobbes:
Crap. Missed the one about the Public Good.
Anoniminous
@Howard Beale IV:
What is Huckabee up to these days? (Besides grifting along like they all do.)
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@D58826: Well said.
Cheers,
Scott.
priscianus jr
@John N: “Anyone else think its funny that we revere the founding fathers, when the first constitution they wrote had to be abandoned almost immediately because it didn’t work at all, and the second one they wrote led to a civil war within one generation?”
No. You try it some time.
Mike J
@Anoniminous: The public good question was badly worded, but I got ém all right anyway. Two or three of them required rereading the alternatives to see the best fit.
KS in MA
@John N:
“The only thing that has held what they did together for so long is the process they provided in the document to correct their mistakes.”
A rather important thing, no?
Anoniminous
@Mike J:
Their answer was asinine. IMNSHO
@efgoldman:
Who the heck knows why they picked that one. Better would have been a question about Tacitus’ political ramblings since he was a major influence on the Founding White Males.
Howard Beale IV
@Anoniminous:
Hackabee is still on Fox News’s payroll.
Roger Moore
@KS in MA:
I always say that Article V proves that the framers knew they weren’t infallible, which leaves an interesting dilemma for people who want to behave as if the Constitution was perfect as drafted. If the Constitution was so perfect and the framers were such geniuses, why did they include- and promptly start to use- instructions on how to change it? You can either believe that they knew what they were doing, in which case you have to accept their own admission of fallibility, or that they didn’t, in which case you’ve already accepted their fallibility. Either way, it’s hard to see them as divinely inspired geniuses.
RaflW
Here’s two Republican patriots:
(Via WSJ blog)
If Democrat’s don’t hammer the GOP for this, I swear I’m gonna freak out.
Baud
@RaflW:
Breaux is a Dem.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Hobbes: 33/33 Woot! Though I had to think long and hard on a few, and guess on at least one.
A neat quiz. Thanks for the linky!
Cheers,
Scott.
Cervantes
@Baud: Conservative Democrat, New Democrat, etc., but yes, a Democrat.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@efgoldman: All were writers that a well-educated gentleman of the Enlightenment would have read. You know, influences on Enlightenment thought.
Baud
@Cervantes:
We’re a rich tapestry.
Cervantes
@Baud: Emphasis on “rich.”
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Hobbes:
I got 31 out of 33. Need to reread the Bill of Rights and study up on the national debt.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Baud: I would have gone with “In my
Father’sParty’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” But yours works.Baud
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
I got 0 out of 33. Then I realized I wasn’t on Balloon Juice and cynical responses didn’t count. Took it again and got a perfect score.
RaflW
@Baud: Ah, well, a LA Dem is practically a Republican. Anyway, hammer the former Senate majority leader none the less. He’s the bigger fish (and maybe the bigger grifter, though Louisiana is pretty famous for graft, corruption and shenanigans).
PurpleGirl
@efgoldman: At some point in the late 1970s NYU tried to recruit undergrads from Germany. I typed hundreds of addresses on envelopes to send information to officials in German schools. We didn’t get a good response from the campaign, as I recall.
Shrillhouse
I scored 32/33.
Missed the question about the Gettysburg address as the source of the “by the people, for the people” quote.
Not bad, considering I’m Canadian.
drkrick
@Roger Moore:
Writing one isn’t really the trick, although it’s possible to screw that up. The hard part is getting people to consider it legitimate enough to continue to live under when they lose on something they consider important. Failure to do that is what led to the Civil War – the country elected a President the South wouldn’t accept. It’s the same failure that’s causing the government of Iraq to struggle. It isn’t a legislative drafting problem.
Bitter Scribe
These are college-level courses intended for the brightest and most accomplished high school seniors, who are advanced (just like it says in the name of the course!) beyond the most basic characters and concepts of American history. Complaining that this or that iconic American figure isn’t included in an AP course is almost exactly as stupid as complaining that a college course on precolonial American history doesn’t include the story of George Washington not lying about chopping down the cherry tree.
Anoniminous
@Howard Beale IV:
Thanks.
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Pendent Alert!
Socrates didn’t write anything. Plato certainly, if only “The Republic” and “The Laws;” although I have a vague memory of running across a Jefferson quote from “Phaedo.” Aquinas and that whole Scholastic crowd were the thinkers the Enlightenment were (verbally) violently rejecting (“Let us strangle the last king with the guts of the last priest.” — Diderot attributed) and hardly someone heir to the English bigotry against Catholicism would pour over; I would have chosen Seneca.
KS in MA
@Roger Moore:
Yes, exactly!
Cervantes
@efgoldman:
ISI’s first president was William F. Buckley. Its current Board Chair is Al Regnery. Ed Meese is a trustee. Need I say more?
Anoniminous
And I just noticed the link to a quiz on Things Political was given by Hobbes.
A goodly jest, methinks.
dmsilev
@Cervantes: Even without knowing that, it was pretty clear that the quiz-writers had an axe to grind. See, for example, the question about international trade.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Anoniminous: Fair enough on Socrates. I would argue that Aquinas would have been read – no longer as near gospel, but read nonetheless. One has to have an idea of what came before to react against it.
@efgoldman: Yeah, I read some bias in some o the questions. That actually lead me to get my “wrong” answer. I chose what I thought they wanted, but they went with something a bit more subtle. Out-thought myself.
El Caganer
@Cervantes: No, some of them actually do believe it, although they’re a pretty small minority as far as I can tell. I think most lefties try to have a realistic view of the world.
Cacti
@BGinCHI:
Shorter Republicans: Students should not think about history; they should just memorize the facts.
It’s not even that. They want students to memorize a hagiography of famous white people.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Cacti:
Heightist!
Melissa
@BGinCHI: Hey, Loyalists are most complicated than that. Look at history.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Melissa:
All of it? I do need to get some sleep tonight.
danielx
Sort of makes you wonder how ol’ Stan will place this hot little item on the ideology scale….
Eric Cantor, guest starring in yet another thrilling episode of C.R.E.A.M.!
Got it. I mean, I know they’re for sale, but goddamn, do they have to make it so obvious?
Perfect Tommy
An example of the state of education in this country.
The author has a Masters of Education from an accredited university:
The Perils of the Absorption of knowledge before developing an approach to the Commonality of Education
J R in WV
@skerry:
Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon Line. and would have joined South Carolina if they had not been north of Washington DC. They were occupied by the Union Army in overwhelming force on day one of the Civil war, and civil rights were pretty much canceled in Maryland for the duration of the war.
SATSQ….
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@Hobbes:
31/33 – I missed two of the tax questions.
Interesting quiz!
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@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
I graduated from a Jesuit university (Comp. Sci. major) so we had to read Aquinas. (As well as Plato and St. Augustine, among others.) So I got that question right.
I do agree that the quiz had a certain bent to it. I’m not sure what free market capitalism has to do with civics. Capitalism and democracy are not necessarily compatible. (See China, for example, to bring us back to the topic of this discussion.)