My New Personal Hero

I know I am going to get an earful from my parents, who are convinced that the only response to everything is to be polite and mature, but, I happen to think this kind of dialogue is just what is needed from time to time.

Some people, when watching their constituents get shot with rubber bullets and tear gas and treated like enemy combatants in their own back yards (and hit with teargas themselves), get a bit upset. Instead of bullshit condemnations of her for a lack of decorum, you should be condemning that worthless Governor who should be subject to a recall for his benign indifference to the plight of his citizens. Personally, I’ll take Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal over 1000 Jay Nixon’s. She’s in the thick of it trying to do right by the people she serves, and she has every right to be exasperated and pissed off at Nixon.

Pottymouths unite!

109 replies
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    Rey says:

    Guv Nixon should forget about reelection whenever that is. He is toast..

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    Punchy says:

    Governor who should be subject to a recall for his benign indifference to the plight of his citizens

    Yea…….uh…no. Because this is Missouri (aka “Misery”), whereby Nixon’s departure would certainly usher in a Republican gubbnah, who would not only NOT call off the dogs, he’d puppy-mill MORE dogs and send all of them in starving and ravenous.

    Nixon’s an ass, but once again, his replacement would be 2 magnitudes worse, at the very least.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Rey:

    I think he’s a term-limited lame duck, but I’ve also heard he had hopes of being selected as Hillary’s VP.

    Um, no.

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    RSR says:

    Oh, the children!

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Rey:
    FWIW, he has a history of opponent-crushing according to wikipedia.
    edit: ah, as SiubhanDuinne says, he’s limited to 2 terms.

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    max says:

    Pottymouths unite!

    Squeaky wheel gets the grease and Fox screams 24-7, so scream back, and see how they like it.

    max
    [‘Back to work.’]

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    That ought to keep the Fox talking heads busy for a while.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Punchy:

    What Punchy said.

    Now Governor Nixon has to make it stick about the cops keeping the peace.

    They are not a paramilitary, and that sh*t has to stop. Not again.

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    gf120581 says:

    @Rey: He’s term-limited as governor, but he has other ambitions. If he doesn’t try to be Hillary’s running mate, there’s chatter of him challenging Roy Blunt for the Senate (which would be a real battle of the heavyweights in MO, let me tell you).

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    Mike in NC says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I have no interest in ever voting for somebody named “Nixon”.

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    Baud says:

    Instead of bullshit condemnations of her for a lack of decorum, you should be condemning

    Who are you talking to?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Re Senator Chappelle-Nadal’s language, I’ll bet cash money that someone in the next day or two is going to make her tweet an “apology.” And I’ll bet it will be an apology for the language only, but not for the sentiment.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Because frustrated cursing solves social problems!

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    skerry says:

    Wow. From a state Senator? Nicely done.

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    some guy says:

    Fuck yeah. Weasels gotta weasel, no need for normal human beings to give them cover.

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    Rey says:

    @<a@SiubhanDuinne: 5084719″>SiubhanDuinne: Hillary’s VP??? Damn we are doomed!

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    Elizabelle says:

    Coincidentally, MattF put up a great essay about politeness and its uses. Author is Paul Ford.

    When I was in high school I used to read etiquette manuals. Emily Post and so forth. I found the manuals interesting and pretty funny. There was good stuff about how to write a note of condolence, and ridiculous stuff about how to behave on boats or at the White House.

    I didn’t expect to apply my findings to my daily adolescent life. I was peripheral in high school — uncool but also untortured, voted “most scholarly” of my class, roughly equivalent to “least likely to have sex.” In high school no one noticed my politeness except for one kid. He yelled at me about it. “Why you always so polite, man?” he asked. “It’s weird.” I took it as praise and made a note to hide it further, to be more profane. Real politeness, I reasoned, was invisible. It adapted itself to the situation. Later, that same kid stole my cassette copy of Aqualung.

    But no matter. What I found most appealing was the way that the practice of etiquette let you draw a protective circle around yourself and your emotions. By following the strictures in the book, you could drag yourself through a terrible situation and when it was all over, you could throw your white gloves in the dirty laundry hamper and move on with your life. I figured there was a big world out there and etiquette was going to come in handy along the way.

    That said, Maria Chappelle Nadal is entitled to every WTF and shriek. Ferguson citizens need an impassioned advocate. Make some noise.

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    PopeRatzo says:

    There is one black guy who could end this entire thing in Ferguson with a simple visit. But the parties on Martha’s Vineyard are so choice, you know?

    I guess he couldn’t figure out if out-of-control paramilitary metropolitan police departments creating terror represent “Hope” or “Change”.

    But he’s got that useless sack of shit Eric Holder on the job, so you know it’ll all work out and St Louis County Police will soon be getting an equipment upgrade. Maybe some surveillance gear and CCTV cameras will do the trick.

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    El Tiburon says:

    Some people, when watching their constituents

    They weren’t his constituents. They was black folks. Go to Arizona and you got white ‘patriots’ aiming high-powered rifles at federal agents – and the agents can’t apologize and get the fuck out fast enough. Any place more than three blacks get together is called a “gang”.

    White folks can walk down the street with a machine gun, walk into a restaurant with a machine gun. Black dude gets out of bed, he’s gonna get crushed. That’s it.

    Face it: if you are black in this country, you will get fucked. Don’t matter if you are rich or not. Don’t matter if you running away or on your stomach or hands up for the sky. Don’t matter if you’re selling cigs on the corner or walking in your own neighborhood.

    If you black, cops will frisk you and harass you and kill you. White folks will harrass you and kill you. The cops will go home to their family and meat loaf.

    It’s our national heritage. It’s what we do and it’s who we are. Ain’t nothing gonna change that until we come to grips that in a big fucking way.

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    Shortstop says:

    This is even worse than that time Michelle Obama went barefoot in the White House.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Rey:

    I am thinking Hillary may not be our nominee. She puts her foot in it too often, and dissing Obama gains her what? He’s accomplished a lot more than she has.

    Who needs another candidate for Republicans who don’t want to call themselves that?

    It’s a long time until 2016.

    NYTimes: Is this Island Big Enough for Obama and Clinton?

    Mr. Obama is fast becoming the past, not the future, for donors, activists and Democratic strategists. Party leaders are increasingly turning toward Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as Democrats face difficult races this fall in states where the president is especially unpopular, and her aides are making plain that she has no intention of running for “Obama’s third term.”

    The moment is an awkward one, and some moves by Mrs. Clinton are reopening wounds from the 2008 primary contest. Her blunt public criticism of the president’s foreign policy in The Atlantic this week touched off frustration among Mr. Obama’s advisers and supporters, especially her suggestion that under Mr. Obama, the United States lacked an “organizing principle” in its approach to international relations. “ ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle,” Mrs. Clinton said.

    Christine Pelosi, a longtime Democratic activist and daughter of the House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, said her phone and email “just exploded” after Mrs. Clinton’s remarks.

    “Now is not the time to second guess the commander in chief, particularly when you’re a former member of his cabinet and national security team,” Ms. Pelosi said.

    Mr. Obama is not becoming the past. He is the future, arrived a little too early for some. He is unpopular, variously, because he’s challenging the status quo, or not challenging it hard enough.

    Hillary and Bill Clinton are more and more the past, accomplishments notwithstanding.

    “Don’t do stupid stuff” works for me, and undermining your CIC falls into that category.

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    Pogonip says:

    Preach it, Maria, and don’t apologize.

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    beltane says:

    David Broder is tut-tutting in his grave. Seriously, though, civility in the face of uncivilized behavior is a vice, not a virtue.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mike in NC:

    I have no interest in ever voting for somebody named “Nixon”.

    I’m having to fight the urge to feel the same way about somebody named “Clinton”.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @PopeRatzo: yeah, that sounds like Eric Holder: blasé about black people and their civil rights. You sure got him nailed.

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    Rey says:

    @Bill Arnold: @gf120581: Wow I’m stunned- Guv Nixon is big $hit huh? Well guess that explains his hesitation in getting into the muck of this horrible situation in Ferguson. He was stuttering & pausing so much I went back to HGTV- was waiting for Cole’s righteous indignation of the presser..

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    Russ says:

    Sad, when reelection is more important to many elected officials than doing the right thing.

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    From what I understand the young lady has already washed her mouth out with tear gas.

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    Mandalay says:

    @El Tiburon:

    Any place more than three blacks get together is called a “gang”.

    That’s not who we are! We are better than that. We have moved on.

    We call them thugs now.

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    Plantsmantx says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I don’t see who can make her do that, other than the people who voted her into office.

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    gwangung says:

    @SatanicPanic: Well, some people enjoy playing “more progressive than thou”.

    Other people don’t have time for it.

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    Rey says:

    @Mandalay: @Elizabelle: yeah I’m having real reservation’s about a Madame POTUS Clinton. Sounds nice, looks like real progress but I have a feeling she will have us in endless war’s trying to prove her “femaleness” does not make her weak

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    Rey says:

    @Mandalay: @Elizabelle: yeah I’m having real reservation’s about a Madame POTUS Clinton. Sounds nice, looks like real progress but I have a feeling she will have us in endless war’s trying to prove herself

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    Tommy says:

    I think you are hating on Nixon a little too much. A pretty red state where he is still in office. Look I get it is easy to make fun of the dude. I live across the river from St. Louis and my town mocks him. But he is the only dude stopping the state of MO becoming KS.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @PopeRatzo: Bullshit.

    Having grown up on the otherside of that benighted state, let me tell you, the only thing an Obama visit would do is inflame the cops into more fucking rioting. I grew up with a bunch of Quantrill’s Raiders wannabees, and nothing’s changed in the last 170 years.

    This is all about race. There is nothing else going on here. Obama visiting would make things worse, not better.

    They weren’t his constituents. They was black folks.

    @El Tiburon:
    This.

    Governor Nixon is the best you can expect (as is Senator McCaskill) for a Democrat seeking statewide office in Missouri. I hope to hell he runs against Blunt next.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    There was a storm on twitter this afternoon when the governor said “lets remember there has been shooting on both sides” bullshit, no one has been shooting at the cops, and as someone on twitter said (Goldie Taylor I think) you think if someone had shot at the police they would have just reacted with tear gas and rubber bullets? If you believe that then I have the proverbial bridge to sell you.

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    Baud says:

    @Russ:

    Sad, when reelection is more important to many elected officials than doing the right thing

    No, that’s democracy. What’s sad is when doing the right thing doesn’t get you reelected.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Rey:

    Just a rumor I’ve heard in the last few days. Have no idea whether there’s any truth to it.

    More likely, as gf120581 noted, is that he’ll challenge Blunt for the Senate seat.

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    Baud says:

    @Tommy:

    I think you are hating on Nixon a little too much.

    This is America. No such thing as hating a Democrat too much. Hell, we’ve already got one commenter using this opportunity to attack Obama and several others talking about Clinton.

    (And, for the record, Nixon should be critized for his wait and see approach to this issue.)

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @gwangung: I wish I were too busy, truth is I just think it’s a dumb game to play

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    Violet says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    the only thing an Obama visit would do is inflame the cops into more fucking rioting.

    Yeah, no kidding. It wouldn’t help and it would hurt. Would not surprise me if he visits the parents of Mike Brown once things have calmed down a bit. He’s really good about stuff like that.

    People commented that the President didn’t look good today. I think he might have been tired but he was also angry about this situation in his calm, midwestern way of being angry. I think some of that anger may be because he knows he can’t visit. That it would do more harm than good. Because he’s black. That’s got to be infuriating.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Plantsmantx:

    Well, I hope she doesn’t, but I suspect there may be some media pressure which in turn may scare one of her staffers into drafting

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    srv says:

    Young Conor tries to show you people the way

    The question was put to New York Times Magazine readers by journalist Robert Draper, who has elicited disdainful responses from Paul Krugman of the Times, Jonathan Chait of New York, and my colleague David Frum. All three concur that the notion of a libertarian ascendancy is an unsophisticated, laughable fantasy. That’s a vexing position to hear from this particular trio.

    Libertarians have already achieved a lot. Men are no longer arrested for having gay sex. There hasn’t been another military draft. Public-housing projects and price controls were dismantled.

    If libertarians had wielded more power, America would not have passed the Patriot Act, started the phone dragnet, or allowed the Pentagon to send military equipment to police in places like Ferguson, Missouri.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Baud:

    No, that’s democracy. What’s sad is when doing the right thing doesn’t get you reelected.

    I want to frame this

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    hilts says:

    Politico’s Dylan Byers dickish response to the Lowery and Reilly arrests:

    “Lowery and Reilly deserve recognition for their reporting efforts, but getting arrested at a McDonald’s does not a great reporter make. Video of the arrest shows that Lowery didn’t exactly move with great haste when the officer told him to vacate (though that doesn’t make the officer’s actions forgivable).”

    “Ferguson is not Falluja, and Wesley Lowery and Ryan Reilly aren’t heroes. They’re two reporters who happened to be in the right place at the wrong time.”

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    chopper says:

    She could be my hero, but I’d have to see her threaten a stranger with neck-punching first.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    The Southern Poverty Law Center tells me that the KKK has set up a “reward/fund” for the police officer who shot Michael Brown. Sigh.

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    chopper says:

    @PopeRatzo:

    LOL, that’s a perfect impression of a brain-dead moron. Bravo.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @gwangung: That’s not an example of “more progressive than thou” — it’s just flat-out trolling.

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    Hal says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Mr. Obama is fast becoming the past, not the future, for donors, activists and Democratic strategists. Party leaders are increasingly turning toward Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as Democrats face difficult races this fall in states where the president is especially unpopular, and her aides are making plain that she has no intention of running for “Obama’s third term.”

    On one hand, I get her need to make herself an independent candidate. Al Gore and Bush I did the same thing to different degrees. What irritates me is the way she’s going about it. I said this in a previous thread, but during the 2008 primaries, Clinton could have endorsed herself and Obama as viable candidates, while emphasizing what she had to offer; “I’m great, Obama’s great, but here’s why I want to be President.” Instead, they went after Obama, and when asked said he was going to get this treatment in the general election as well, so more of less, the Clinton campaign acted like they were toughening him up for the general election. That wasn’t their job.

    The media is going to be running these stories non-stop, but Obama and Hillary will campaign together the closer the election happens. Let’s be real. This is all strategy. I just hope HRC doesn’t go with the same one she used in 2008.

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    Keith G says:

    @Tommy: This is tame. Madame Defarge has yet to descend upon us with cries for a short tumbrel ride ending with the removal of the governor’s head.

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    @hilts: At least they are out there reporting and not in a cushy office inside the Belltway.

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    Alison says:

    @hilts: Good lord, what a little fuckface.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @PopeRatzo:

    There is one black guy who could end this entire thing in Ferguson with a simple visit.

    I can only assume that you’re referring to Morgan Freeman in his role as God.

    Anyway, back in reality, so far the highway patrol is doing a hell of a lot better job now that they’re in charge. There’s a protest march going on right now, and instead of trying to stop it they’re escorting it.

    https://twitter.com/blackink12/status/500045418701393920

    And the highway patrol captain, who is an African American man, joined in the march.

    Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 2m

    Cpt. Johnson WALKED in the march. “We’re all in this together…we’re not in this for fear, to intimidate.”

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    Hal says:

    @srv:

    If libertarians had wielded more power, America would not have passed the Patriot Act, started the phone dragnet, or allowed the Pentagon to send military equipment to police in places like Ferguson, Missouri.

    They also would have excluded private business from the civil rights act.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Tommy:

    I think you are hating on Nixon a little too much.

    Hate is probably not the right word, but “disgust” seems appropriate.

    A link to his twitter feed is in the OP. Click it to see why he is getting roasted. It took Nixon almost two days to say anything about the killing in Ferguson. And then what? A load of tweets about conservationists and sportsmen and education. Business as usual.

    Nixon would have been fiddling if Rome was burning. He would have been rearranging the deck chairs if he was on the Titanic.

    His performance hasn’t just been poor and tone deaf – it’s been disgraceful. He’s either been ignoring events, or reacting to events. No leadership anywhere in sight.

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    Warren Terra says:

    @Tommy:

    I think you are hating on Nixon a little too much.

    Really? All he had to do was show up in Ferguson on Tuesday and say that there will be a full investigation of the death of Michael Brown and all subsequent activities, justice will be done and will be seen to be done, and appoint a committee to oversee the investigation and guarantee its purpose, including at least one person with real credibility – that St. Louis alderman who’s been so heavily involved in the nonviolent demonstrations, for example. Oh, and get the f’ing cops to dress in blue and to stop shooting people when so far the only people injured have been hurt by the cops. He could do all this by threats and public pressure if he lacks the actual authority.

    He’s still only done about half of that: he’s shown up late (heck, it took him several days to make a press release), he’s belatedly switched out the cops (what this will mean in practice still isn’t clear). He still hasn’t made any meaningful promises about justice nor transparency.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    John, I agree.

    Lives are at risk, admittedly, of course, mud people lives, so the Villagers are for the most part remarkably unupset. Now, if someone was tossing tear or pepper gas at Chuckles the Toddler, then they’d be outraged, if only because some perfectly good cocktail weenies are tainted by the CS.

    Sen. Chappelle-Nadal is absolutely on target here. Some people need to be shaken out of their complacency, and in the case of Nixon, I strongly suspect, political cowardice. Nixon should be as outraged as Chappelle-Nadal is, and tell the teatard scum to shove their bullshit where the sun don’t shine.

    There is no excuse…none…for the behavior of the Ferguson police over the past six days. The police chief should be fired, then sued into penury for his actions. The officer who murdered Michael Brown should be sent to prison…forever.

    When people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul realize how fucked up this is, it’s pretty damn fucked up.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Felanius Kootea: Disgusted, I am, but surprised I am not.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @hilts: Oh, the scum at Politico have just renewed their long standing reservations for early tumbrel rides.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Jesus. They just announced that David Gregory will be replaced on “Meet the Press” by none other than Chuck Todd. No mention if John McCain will become permanent co-host.

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    Violet says:

    @hilts: And then there’s this from Dylan Byers:

    Inbox: "imagine the civil rights reporters who got their asses kicked running to be on tv & getting in pissing matches. they would be fired"— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) August 14, 2014

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    @Elizabelle: At this rate, I am afraid she is going to end up like Gore. I wonder who her Lieberman will be if she ends up as the nominee?

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    mclaren says:

    Obviously the situation in Ferguson does respresent exactly who the people in Missouri are.

    More to the point, the atrocities and lunacies being committed in Freguson represent who the American people are as a whole.

    If you want a quick portrait of America, imagine a bunch of riot-armored white guys screaming hysterically while aiming automatic weapons and hurling tear gas at peaceful brown people who have committed no crimes.

    Explains not just America’s domestic situation, but our foreign policy as well…

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    Arclite says:

    What made me crack up is the realization that she’s a state senator. YOU GO GIRL!

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @mclaren: Speak for yourself dude

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    Arclite says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Re Senator Chappelle-Nadal’s language, I’ll bet cash money that someone in the next day or two is going to make her tweet an “apology.” t-shirts of her remarks and cash in.

    I doubt she’ll apologize. The situation is intolerable, and he needed to come down strongly on the side of the citizens, which he did not.

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    muddy says:

    @Warren Terra: Yeah, it’s “heck of a job” territory.

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    Quicksand says:

    @John Cole +0:

    Personally, I’ll take Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal over 1000 Jay Nixon’s.

    Hmmm…

    *strokes goatee*

    Are they duck-sized Jay Nixons?

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    kc says:

    On the bright side, Twitter is telling me the police presence in Ferguson has de-escalated dramatically. Hwy Patrol has taken over; they’re just wearing uniforms, not all armored up, and no assault weapons in sight. A black Hwy Patrol captain is walking with the protesters.

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    jayboat says:

    This Dylan Byers dude needs a sharp stick appropriately placed, with malice.

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    kc says:

    @hilts:

    What a douche.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Arclite:

    I hope you’re right. I wasn’t suggesting that I think she should apologize — indeed, I think she should not — only that I think it’ll probably happen.

    And I’d love her tweet to go on a t-shirt.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @kc: The pictures I’m seeing now are making me almost cry with relief. I just hope things stay this good when night falls.

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    Cacti says:

    @TooManyJens:

    And the highway patrol captain, who is an African American man, joined in the march.

    Captain Johnson is also a local from the area, who grew up in Ferguson and got his criminal justice degree at Florissant Community College.

    He’s not a West County white-flighter, there to crack some black skulls, like your average member of the St. Louis County PD.

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    mclaren says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I am thinking Hillary may not be our nominee.

    Wishful thinking. Take a look at this poll:

    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the front-runner for the Democrats will surprise absolutely no one—but the sheer size of her lead is something to behold: 61 points.

    The former secretary of state holds a staggering 6 to 1 lead over her nearest rival, Joe Biden, in the survey. To put that in perspective, as the Fix helpfully does, that makes Clinton the “single biggest frontrunner for a Democratic presidential nomination in the history of the poll.”

    Source: “Hillary Clinton Now Has a Historically Massive Lead in Early Primary Polling,” slate online, January 2014.

    Joe “crypto-fascist authoritarian warmonger” Biden has a startling favorability rating – 40% positive compared to 45% negative. Little statements like “We need a D-Day in the war on drugs” and “marijuana is a gateway drug and the penalties should the increased, not reduced” and the fact that Joe Biden drafted the original bill containing the core provisions of the USA Patriot Act have clearly not escaped the attention of most of the population of the United States…though these facts have totally escaped the notice of the commenter on this forum.

    Joe Biden is the guy whose bill created the position of Drug Czar. Joe Biden is the guy whose bill created asset forfeiture. Joe Biden never met an illegal unconstitutional wiretap or sneak-and-peek break-in by police he didn’t like. And for three long years, Joe Biden urged everyone to take “one last shot” in Iraq and keep U.S. troops there, long after it had become obvious to everyone with a nervous system that the Iraq invasion was a futile failure of epic proportions.

    Joe Biden on the Don Imus show, 8/17/2006:
    “We’ve got one last shot here to separate these parties [in the Iraq civil war], and you have to do it politically.”

    Joe Biden, Fox News, 11/21/2005: (Should we leave Iraq right now?) “Not immediately, no. I can understand Jack’s frustration. This is a guy who has concluded that so far we’ve handled this effort incompetently, but it seems to me that we have one last shot at getting this right.”

    Joe Biden, Charlie Rose show, 21 June 2005:
    “I personally think we should not set an exit date. I personally think we should take one last shot at trying to do this the right way. I think it still can be done, although more difficult.”

    Joe Biden, Face the Nation, 6/19/2004:
    “We need time. There’s one last shot at getting this right in Iraq.”

    Joe Biden, Hardball, 24 May 2004:
    “We’ve made significant mistakes. Our one last shot to get this right, unite the world, convince the Iraqi people that this is not just a U.S. occupation, is June 30.”

    Joe Biden, 11/7/2003:
    “I am convinced we have one last shot at bringing the world into Iraq,” said Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, the senior Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee. “We must do everything in our
    power to seize it.”

    One last shot…for THREE FUCKING GODDAMN YEARS. Joe Biden is George W. Bush with a kinder gentler genocidal murder program.

    Joe Biden tells ABC News: “… I think legalization [of marijuana] is a mistake. I still believe it’s a gateway drug. I’ve spent a lot of my life as chairman of the Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize.”

    Joe Biden criticizes George H. W. Bush for not waging a savage enough War on Drugs in 1988: “In 1988, the major drug bill he had spent years crafting became law. Included was the creation of a national drug
    czar, a key Biden objective and a job that went to Republican William Bennett. Biden vowed to be Capital Hill’s point man in pressing the new Bush administration on antidrug spending and helping Bennett navigate his way through a thorny bureaucratic thicket of multiple congressional jurisdictions. When Pres. Bush announced his 1989
    antidrug plan, Biden showed no hesitation in criticizing him for not finding initiatives already on the books. He called for higher taxes on cigarettes and tobacco (neither of which he ever used) to pay for them. Biden unleashed his old fire: “Mr. President, you say you want a war on drugs, but if that’s what you want we need another D-Day.
    Instead you’re giving us another Vietnam–a limited war fought on the cheap, financed on the sly, with no clear objectives, and ultimately destined for stalemate and human tragedy.”

    …from a policy perspective, it’s a disaster. Biden has sponsored more damaging drug war legislation than any Democrat in Congress. Hate the way federal prosecutors use RICO laws to take aim at drug offenders? Thank Biden. How about the abomination that is federal asset forfeiture laws? Thank Biden. Think federal prosecutors have too much power in drug cases? Thank Biden. Think the title of a “Drug Czar” is sanctimonious and silly? Thank Biden, who helped create the position (and still considers it an accomplishment worth boasting about). Tired of the ridiculous steroids hearings in Congress? Thank Biden, who led the effort to make steroids a Schedule 3 drug, and has been among the blowhardiest of the blowhards when it comes to sports and performance enhancing drugs. Biden voted in favor of using international development aid for drug control (think plan Columbia, plan Afghanistan, and other meddling anti-drug efforts that have only fostered loathing of America, backlash, and unintended consequences). Oh, and he was also the chief sponsor of 2004′s horrendous RAVE Act.

    Source: “Biden,” The Agitator website, 23 August 2008.

    Everyone knows that the Patriot Act was drafted before 9/11.

    But few know that it was Joe Biden who drafted the core provisions which were included in that bill … in 1995.

    CNET reported in 2008:

    Months before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of “terrorism” that could be invoked based on political beliefs, permitting the U.S. military to be used in civilian law enforcement, and allowing permanent detention of non-U.S. citizens without judicial review.* The Center for National Security Studies said the bill would erode “constitutional and statutory due process protections” and would “authorize the Justice Department to pick and choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs and associations.”

    Source: “Joe Biden Drafted the Core of the Patriot Act in 1995 … Before the Oklahoma City Bombing,” Washington’s blog, 10 December 2011.

    Hillary Clinton has a colossal lead in favorability ratings, name recognition, and funding over every other potential Democratic presidential candidate.

    You or I may might not like Hillary. You or I might consider Hillary gaffe-prone, maladroit with the press, and as phony as a three-dollar bill. But none of that matters with poll ratings and funding of the kind Hillary’s got.

    Hard reality?

    Hillary will be the Democratic nominee in 2016. That’s just the way it is.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @Cacti: He is being 1000x more of a real man than all those tough guys in their riot gear from the last few days.

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    princess leia says:

    @TooManyJens: This x 10,000.

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    kc says:

    @TooManyJens:

    The difference is astounding. I hope things stay calm too.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @mclaren:

    If you want a quick portrait of America, imagine a bunch of riot-armored white guys screaming hysterically…

    I can’t — I ‘m too busy imagining you screaming at us hysterically.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @kc: Incompetence, and racism. Not the collapse of the Republic.

    Who coodaknode?

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    jayboat says:

    Nixon is now calling for the officer/shooter to be named ‘as soon as possible’.

    Talk about leading from behind. Total buttwipe.

    Glad to see the patrol captain out there in the streets- maybe this thing will be a teachable moment in the long run.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @jayboat: You sound surprised.
    Politicians follow — they don’t lead.
    Leaders lead — and they’re usually not politicians.

    I don’t complain because my ice cream isn’t hot. It’s ice cream.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Hal: This is all strategy. I just hope HRC doesn’t go with the same one she used in 2008.

    She can’t. Obama already won. And his time, there’ll be a token primary and straight into the general.

    Whatever she does has to be different because all the circumstances have changed

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    Cacti says:

    @jayboat:

    Nixon is now calling for the officer/shooter to be named ‘as soon as possible’.

    After the ACLU of Missouri filed a sunshine lawsuit against the Ferguson PD hours earlier.

    I will give him credit for kicking the county cops out of town though. It seems to have calmed the situation on the streets considerably.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:

    @different-church-lady:

    What do you mean “imagining”?

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    efgoldman says:

    @srv:

    Libertarians have already achieved a lot. Men are no longer arrested for having gay sex. There hasn’t been another military draft. Public-housing projects and price controls were dismantled.

    Ahahahahah!
    Rooster taking credit for the sunrise.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Rey: Missouri is a very red state so I’m not sure about that. I wonder if McCaskill’s vocal support of the protesters will hurt her if she runs again. I thought it was very brave of her to actually go to Ferguson.

    Watching All In now. Looks like things have calmed down with how the police are conducting themselves.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Cacti: I want to live in a world where the governor of a red state gets out in front of the ACLU on a matter involving the police.

    I also want the Celtics to beat Cleveland in the Eastern finals next spring.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Wow. How lucky can you get, to have mclaren grace you with one of his patented tl;dr screeds.

    FWIW, I am also inclined to think that HRC won’t be the nominee. As I (and many others) have said, if she is I will vote for her, even with broken glass thrown in, because at her worst she would be better than the best Republican; but I can’t imagine being enthusiastic about her, and would not send money nor volunteer time.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @hilts:

    Dickish Dylan Byers is dickish.

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    Mandalay says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Re Senator Chappelle-Nadal’s language, I’ll bet cash money that someone in the next day or two is going to make her tweet an “apology.”

    I rarely disagree with anything you post, but having just seen her interviewed by Chris Hayes, I really can’t imagine that she would dream of apologizing. Actually, I can’t imagine anyone daring to ask her to apologize.

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    Mandalay says:

    .

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    PJ says:

    @Elizabelle: You are absolutely right about this. Clinton would drag this country back, both in her attitude and her policies, after we’ve been making very small steps forward these past few years. She is completely tone deaf to what Democrats want and to where this country is headed.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mandalay:

    It’s not that often that I agree with you, Mandalay, but I think you’re right about Nixon. I still maintain, as I did early this afternoon in some long-deceased thread, that Obama must have read Nixon the riot act (so to speak, heh) during their conversation this morning. I expect the Governor still feels the burn from the new asshole that POTUS ripped for him. But if it got him to get off his ass (either one) and take charge, then good. And from reports coming in so far, things are vastly improved over the last few days and especially yesterday.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Rey:

    Guv Nixon should forget about reelection whenever that is. He is toast..

    I just saw him being asked about the legality of withholding the name of killer cop. He said he didn’t want to talk about that. Spineless fucker. To think he was ever being floated as a possible VP candidate. Not as bad as Palin, but close to worthless as a leader.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mike in NC:

    It doesn’t matter how many hosts they cycle through, or who they are. As long as the same production team is in place, there won’t be one single thing changed.

    Oh, yeah, they’ll probably redecorate the set and make a few other cosmetic changes — new theme music, spiffed-up graphics, maybe even fiddling with the format — but as long as MTP has the same Executive Producer and the same b00kers reaching for the same Rolodex cards, nothing will change.

    I mean, honestly, can you picture Chuckles going eyeball to eyeball with his Exec Producer and saying, “No! John McCain has nothing new or original or thoughtful to say about [issue du jour] and I refuse to interview him!”

    Me neither.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mandalay:

    Sorry I missed that, and as I’ve said elsewhere I definitely hope this is the case. Maybe I’m just too accustomed to the “saysomethingcontroversial-mediaoutrage-apologize” cycle. I think she’s very cool.

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    gian says:

    @Elizabelle:
    I’m trying to figure out why Hillary wants to campaign on I will do stupid stuff

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    J R in WV says:

    I may not vote for Hillary, not saying I would ever vote for a Republican’t, doesn’t mean I have to vote for Hil. Especially if it looks as if it won’t make any diff in the results, then she can do it without me. Without my money, without my phone banking, etc.

    She looks to be on the wrong side of a lot of stuff – ending the drug war, ending our support for malicious dictators all over the world, etc.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Davis X. Machina:
    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Whatever she does has to be different because all the circumstances have changed

    at her worst she would be better than the best Republican

    I reject the premises of these statements.

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    mclaren says:

    @gian:

    I’m trying to figure out why Hillary wants to campaign on I will do stupid stuff.

    Because Hillary Clinton has figured out that America is now run by the 400 wealthiest people, and the stupid stuff she’s campaigning on is what those 400 superrich assholes want.

    Whatever she does has to be different because all the circumstances have changed

    …at her worst she would be better than the best Republican

    I too reject the premises underlying those statements. This is another “new Nixon” scam. Politicians who have been in public life for 20 years don’t suddenly change. They are who they are. Expecting someone like Hillary to change her policy positions just because you voted for her is like expecting your stalker to change just because you married him.

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    mclaren says:

    @J R in WV:

    She looks to be on the wrong side of a lot of stuff – ending the drug war, ending our support for malicious dictators all over the world, etc.

    Which means Hillary Clinton is on the right side of the beltway insiders, all of whom hold exactly the same policy positions she does.

    America used to be a democracy. It’s now an oligarchy. It’s a small club, buddy, and you’re not in it. Neither is anyone on this forum. You’re not rich enough, you’re not powerful enough, you’re not well enough shielded from the real world with army of servants and personal assistants and people like the ones burnspbesq pays to go shopping for him.

    The notion that Hillary Clinton (or any other candidate for president) gives a shit about what you or I think about their policy positions is hilarious. It’s really charming. It’s just so cute. Still waiting for Santa Claus, are you, cuddles?

    Out here on planet earth, more endless unwinnable foreign wars and more savage crackdown on civil liberties and more brutal enforcement of copyright infringement laws and more ruthless erosion of democracy by means of massive militarization of every aspect of life here in Armed Garrison America is just the basic set of operating principles for our oligarchic rulers in Washington D.C. The abandonment of the rule of law in the U.S. of A. isn’t “for the duration of the emergency,” it’s the New America. This is now our society. It’s Pinochet with elegant Georgetown mansions instead of haciendas.

    If you haven’t figured that out yet, you’re going to get one hell of an education during Hillary’s eight years in the Oval Office. Targeted killings conducted by DHS agents against nonviolent protesters on the streets of America? Drone strikes authorized against U.S. citizens in the continental U.S.? “Preventive detention” of dissidents in black sites located within the borders of America? Lifetime prison sentences for people convicted of violating the Terms of Service of public insitutions by posting criticism online?

    Each of these outrages has been foreshadowed by current abuses authorized and abetted by Barack Obama’s administration. And Hillary Clinton is a lot farther to the right than Obama.

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    brantl says:

    @srv: Young Connor can kiss my ass, what’s been accomplished on all of those fronts was accomplished by Democrats, not libertarians.

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    @Rey:

    “…He was stuttering & pausing so much I went back to HGTV…”

    Jay Nixon has never been the world’s greatest public speaker. He doesn’t even make it into the top three billion.

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    Mark Kleiman says:

    Has anyone noticed that the “worthless” governor did the right thing, and immediately calmed the place down?

    I was mad at him at the time, but a how about a little credit where it’s due? I’d rather have a governor who does right than a governor who talks pretty.

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