Fulsome: 1. complimentary or flattering to an excessive degree. 2. of large size or quantity; generous or abundant.
— billmon (@billmon1) August 11, 2014
.@nothingsmonstrd I think meaning 2 has some positive connotations–"a fulsome harvest"– that are also pretty out of place in this context.
— billmon (@billmon1) August 11, 2014
Ouch. RT @Will_Bunch: @emptywheel @billmon1 He's stuck in fulsome prison
— billmon (@billmon1) August 11, 2014
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So… Anything on the agenda this evening that doesn’t completely suck?
Baud
“Fulsome” has been increasingly used to mean “thorough” in legal contexts.
Gin & Tonic
V-J Day is still a state holiday in RI. Hung out at the beach this afternoon, now it’s time for a cold beer.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
B-J day should be a holiday.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: You mean this?
Iowa Old Lady
Robin Hobb has a new book coming out tomorrow. That’s not sucky at all. I love Tuesdays, the day most new books hit the shelves.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
I do now.
srv
I’m thinking of a Fulsome Wine, hopefully the Napa crew will return with something shortly.
Anne Laurie
(Caret) sup (/Caret) test
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
Cool
ETA: Didn’t work.
JPL
@efgoldman: You will enjoy your visit. We met up for lunch a few times and it’s such a pleasure spending time with her.
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman:
(Caret) sup (/Caret) test
Okay, it works for me when I hand-type the commands….
realbtl
I’m in Orofino ID with my new to me 08 Mazda Miata. At 66 I decided that motorcycle touring isn’t as much fun as it used to be. Tomorrow I head up this road to Missoula and then home. Woot!
Bill E Pilgrim
Meh. As Honest Abe said, you can fulsome people some of the time….
Anne Laurie
@Baud: Damn…
Is it a frontpager privilege, or should I have spelled out “Use the left-caret, text sup, right caret, insert text to be superscripted, left-caret, text / sub, right caret?
Hand-applied text doesn’t look right on the preview, but it appears as a comment…
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@Bill E Pilgrim: Boo!
lamh36
Been trying to finalize my Hawaii trip for November. My carryover city if Oakland. I’ll be leaving NOLA Nov 1st and traveling to San Fran, staying in Oakland and then spending the Sunday in San Fran. Then traveling on to Hawaii.
Nov 3rd – 10th, I’ll be in Hawaii. My plan is to break up the trip into 2 parts. I want to spend my b-day on the beach Nov 5th) lazing it away and doing absolutely nothing. So I”m thiking about checking into a resort on Nov 3rd and checking out Nov 6th. I want to see Hawaii Voclanic Park so on Nov 6th, I’ll check out of Honolulu and head on over the the Big Island for maybe 3 or 4 days. Then back to Honolulu for the final leg of the trip back home.
Man, it’s harder than I thought trying to find a hotel. As a solo female traveler, I don’t want to be too cheap and go for full “budget” hotel, but I also dont’ want to spend over $200 a night either.
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
I think it might be a front-pager privilege. Here’s what I tried.
<sup>test</sup>
askew
My dad gets to come home from rehab tomorrow. He has stage 4 espohegeal cancer that has responded well to chemo treatments so far and he is able to walk without a walker for 100 feet. He went into the ER 2 months ago because he lost the ability to walk and all the doctors said his pain in his leg and inability to move were phantom cancer pain. Finally about 3 weeks ago they noticed in his PET scan that he had a fractured hip. They put a new hip in and it is like he has a whole new body. He is moving around so much better now. Frustrated that it wasn’t caught earlier, but thrilled he gets to come home.
Bill E Pilgrim
nope
raven
@lamh36: Good plan, going straight there is a killer.
raven
@askew: Yay
Baud
@lamh36:
I rented apartments for my Hawaii trip. Better than hotels, IMHO.
realbtl
@lamh36: I can’t say enough about these guidebooks.
Written by locals and will get you to restaurants, beaches, lodging etc that you would not find by yourself. I especially recommend Killer Tacos in Kona but you won’t find it in normal guidebooks. Enjoy, we spend the 1st week of Feb on the big island every year and love it.
WereBear
@askew: Glad to hear.
Got a full night’s sleep last night! Gives me hope that my new regimen (1 month old) is continuing to bring improvement.
realbtl
Ugh, html fail. Oh well …
Anne Laurie
@Baud: Alas. Strange & capricious are the ways of FYWP…
Villago Delenda Est
@askew: Oh, this is very good news indeed! He’ll be chasing nurses around the night desk!
Anne Laurie
@askew: That is good news, congratulations!
(But, jeez — when doctors decide they don’t need to look at the pain source, because they just know what it should be… )
Shana
Hubby and I have a $1 bet on whether the construction guy(s) will show up tomorrow (rain might happen) to continue work on the kitchen addition/remodel at 7 1/2 months on what was supposed to be 11 weeks.
Bobby Thomson
If you go back far enough, the primary meaning of fulsome has flip flopped at least twice.
Steeplejack (tablet)
I think Holder meant a “winsome review.” Got that from Rick Perry.
raven
@Shana: We’re in the administrative period of a just approved sewer project that has delayed our addition 15 months so far!
Mustang Bobby
When I came back from my trip, the AC in the house was basically pumping out hot humid air. A call to the landlord and a visit from his guy and I’m cool again.
askew
@Anne Laurie:
Yeah, he was seen by 2 sets of ER doctors and resident doctors at 2 different rehab facilities and none of them caught it. The orthopedic surgeon who did the surgery was furious. He wanted a list of every doctor he saw and was going to raise holy hell. The worst of the doctors was the resident doctor at the first rehab place who said that maybe he shouldn’t treat a blood clot my dad had because he may be lucky enough to have it settle in his lungs and have a quick death or that he should give up and go to hospice. We left that place 2 days later. There should be an empathy test given to people who want to work in health care.
Baud
Test
raven
@Mustang Bobby: Proly that damn capacitor.
lamh36
Ok, I get that I may have to wait for Elon James to post about this story in Ferguson, but if you are following the story, Rachel has a segment now.
People are reporting that the PD is firing rubber bullets at protesters!!
foo
@lamh36: If you want to stay in Waikiki, the Ohana hotels are pretty reasonable (I’ve had my in-laws stay at the Maile Skycourt and it seemed fine). Alternatively, if you are renting a car, you might check out the Manoa Valley Inn. It is next to the University and kind more B&B than hotel (practically the only one I know of in town), but it is a bit more affordable from what I’ve heard.
lamh36
cbear
Here’s what sucks:
Robin Williams is dead. Dick Cheney is alive.
Fuck.
lamh36
I’m guessing Claire McCaskill will be staying as far away from the Ferguson story as she possibly can. Too bad the kid was shot after the election…smdh.
jake the antisoshul soshulist
Fuck Chuck Todd has apparently been selected to replace Dancin’ Dave “the fluffer” Gregory on Press the Meat.
I suppose it would be unlikely for fluffy to be replaced by someone better, but fuck Chuck Todd? Did I say Fuck
Chuck Todd?
Trigger warning Politico link. http://www.politico.com/playbook/
lamh36
@foo: Haven’t checked out B&Bs yet, but I will add them to my list
lamh36
Baud
ʇsǝʇ
M. Bouffant
@realbtl: Hey, if you see my college pal “Loose” Bruce Noble (He lived in Orofino 40 yrs. ago, & might still be there.) say “hi.”
Suffern ACE
@efgoldman: I’d watch Jessica Alba.
lamh36
Mandalay
Well this is pretty good news:
Someone needs to get busy adding his head to Mt. Rushmore. One of the greatest Americans alive today.
When it comes to people who make the world a better place, he has to be right up there.
lamh36
Suffern ACE
@efgoldman: I’d watch that, over and over again.
PhoenixRising
Took my kid to the doctor and the doctor was…effective. Checked the right things, asked questions, listened to her replies & referred to the proper specialist for further testing.
That’s way past not sucking, all the way to minor miracle territory. It never happens, or at least has never before happened, that my kid gets excellent care from a new doc. I always have to make a list of what was fucked up in the visit, call back for a meeting, and make another trip.
Maybe we’ve become that legendary family that is faster to treat in the first visit.
Mike in NC
@Gin & Tonic: I learned that when I moved to Newport in 1986. Talk about holding a grudge.
PhoenixRising
@Mandalay: +1. The Carter Center also provides trained international observers for elections in fledgling democracies. If I can clear it with the management (my wife has security concerns) I’m going to volunteer for the next provincial elections in Cambodia.
lamh36
Mandalay
@jake the antisoshul soshulist:
Yes you did, and with good reason. This anecdote tells you all you really need to know about Chuck Todd:
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-todd-tells-jeremy-scahill-was-cheap
Betty Cracker
@lamh36:
That’s a damn good (rhetorical) question.
max
@lamh36:
Don’t look at me. I still remember back in 1989, when the PD was called in to investigate a prowler and the little old black lady who invited them was at the front door with her rifle. So they shot her. For having a rifle, in her own house, in TEXAS fer Christ’s sake, when there was a prowler about.
max
[‘The NRA interprets that as meaning she should have a bought a AR-15 with a huge clip. I interpret it as the cops being trigger happy nuts that don’t like black people.’]
FlyingToaster
@PhoenixRising: Finding a practice that fits you can be a PITA.
Once you’ve got one, though, everything just works. Congrats, don’t overthink it :)
Beatrice
There’s a not quite dead mouse somewhere in my house. Those damned cats have ONE job….
TooManyJens
@lamh36: Watching now. Jesus. People are still putting their hands in the air and saying “Don’t shoot.” That’s both a powerful form of protest and completely sickening.
Betty Cracker
@askew: Christ, sounds like that resident should maybe…go into research or some specialty that doesn’t require interaction with actual human beings. Glad your dad is better.
lamh36
Ugh.
I’m getting off the damn internets now. I too through with this day. Going to lurker status for the rest of the night.
Betty Cracker
@lamh36: Larry O is covering it now.
Keith G
@Betty Cracker:
About the quote:
Well, if ya want to ask that question, you would need to address it to the leadership of the federal government. Any idea who that might be?
lamh36
@Keith G: Fuck you.
Good night. BJ.
TooManyJens
The reason that the heavily armed
insurrectionistspatriots at the Bundy Ranch got the kid glove treatment while the people of Ferguson, Missouri are getting tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets is simple. It’s the same reason that of the “Axis of Evil,” the country we invaded was Iraq. We could take Iraq, show ’em who was boss. North Korea was too dangerous because it was actually developing the kind of weapons we claimed we were going after in Iraq.But at least the DOJ is getting involved in Ferguson, which I tentatively think is good news.
different-church-lady
I read about the Fergison situation and all day long I’ve been thinking, “This really needs to be the straw that gets the Obama administration to step in and do something about how common these things are becoming.”
So that’s exactly what happens. And what do we do? We pick apart words.
And to think we’re on their side.
rikyrah
Interesting how the “Police State” Libertarians don’t have shyt to say about what is happening in Ferguson, Missouri right now.
Uh huh
Uh huh
Keith G
@lamh36: Oh my.
Nonetheless, when the BLM was given orders to (essentially) stand down, where did those orders come from? That decision was complimented by some here as a thoughtful way for the Obama administration to deal with that specific issue.
rikyrah
@Baud:
How did you do that?
? Martin
A few other considerations regarding the Tony Stewart incident the other night that leaves me open to the notion that it was purely an accident and not intentional on Tony’s part.
A lot of people don’t understand how Sprint cars work. They aren’t like most other racing cars. Notable differences:
+ They have no clutch, no transmission. There is one gear and it’s either engaged or disengaged. This is by design. When you touch the gas, you’re putting 1000hp down in a vehicle that weighs 1400lbs. That’s almost 3x the power/weight ratio of NASCAR, and more than that of F1. That’s a 6.7L highly tuned engine in a vehicle that weighs about 15% less than a Smart Car. There is no gentle acceleration – the car leaps. There’s a lever to engage/disengage the drive. That’s it.
+ They have no rear differential. The rear tires spin at the same speed regardless of which has traction. This is by design, so traction tends to be uneven.
+ The rear tires are different diameters. The right rear is MUCH larger than the left rear. This causes the car to constantly drive left. To go straight (which they don’t do very much of) you need to actively steer right.
+ The car has a single disc brake on the front left wheel. It’s designed to do two things: stop the car at low speeds, provide drag on the front left at speed so the right rear can rotate outward.
+ The wing on top of the vehicle is angled upward from front left to right rear.
+ The tracks can be very bumpy, particularly if you get up into a high line. The gas pedal usually has a hoop on the top to keep your foot from bouncing off – a bit like a set of foot traps on a bicycle pedal.
These cars are designed to drive counter-clockwise on banked dirt-covered tracks. The amount of banking varies. The way they achieve this is by rotating the car counter-clockwise using that larger right rear tire to provide more drive on the outside than on the inside, which pivots the backend outward and forward. The car goes through turns at roughly a 45 degree angle, leading with the front right wheel, and trailing with the left rear. The driver usually has full opposite lock on the car – that is, in a left hand turn, the front wheels are usually pointed full to the right. The car is actually steered with the gas pedal. The driver is balancing putting so much power through that right rear tire that it wants to pass the front-end of the car with steering into the turn to force the front end to try and keep up. You straighten out by getting off the gas. You turn left by either flooring it or by tapping the brake or some combination of the two. Unless you are going very slowly, there is no way to turn the car left without the backend stepping out at least somewhat to the right. That is what the car is specifically designed to do. The safe side to approach a Sprint car is on the left side – it’s very hard to step the back end out to the left. The driver is almost constantly fighting to keep the car from swapping ends counter-clockwise. The steering wheel isn’t useless, but at any kind of speed its mostly just a fine-tuning mechanism. Most of the steering is with your right foot. Most of the time you only have one front tire touching the ground anyway. The other is up in the air due to the banking and the roll on the car.
Regarding visibility, because of how these cars take turns, drivers are usually spotting the car in front of them by looking to the right – at about 2 o’clock. That’s the direction the car is traveling in most of the time. The rake of the wing gives you the most visibility in that direction. If you want to see down the track, you oftentimes can’t because your rear end is up on the banking and your front is down low. The horizon is blocked by the wing since you need to look ‘up’ to see the horizon – and it’s worse if you’re trying to look toward the left because that’s where the wing is lowest. Some drivers cut holes in the wing so they can see ahead on the track. Depends on the track – banking varies from track to track.
So Tony faced three problems avoiding Kevin that night.
1) Forward visibility is kind of shit in these things. There’s no windshield so the dirt from the cars in front of you collects on your helmet visor. The track is watered down to keep it from getting dusty. Maintaining visibility while mud collects on your helmet is a real issue. The only thing you really need to see is the car in front of you.
2) Tony would have crossed start/finish about 12 second before he hit Kevin. In that time he negotiated turns 1 and 2 while coming off of top speed (the yellow was out). He couldn’t see the accident. It was well to his left and Kevin was still in the car at the time. With a helmet on you don’t have the visibility range you do in a passenger car. Looking straight to your left is very difficult. The soonest Tony probably could have seen Kevin was probably no more than 4 seconds before hitting him – as he was preparing to straighten out coming onto the back straight. There was also a car between him and Kevin in that turn so it might have been later than that – and his focus would have been on the location of the stopped car. His biggest worry would have been hitting another vehicle – people aren’t supposed to be out there walking around.
3) Even if he saw Kevin approaching his car from the right side, his ability to avoid him was limited. He could try and turn to the outside and crash into Kevin’s stopped car. He could hit the brakes which would spin the back end around to the right, likely hitting Kevin. He could coast, possibly hitting Kevin if he was walking toward the car as it appears he was. He could hit the gas and try and turn left faster and risk having the back end step out and hit Kevin. It’s possible he tried slamming on the brake, felt the back end coming around toward Kevin, and hit the gas and steer right to stop that (as it’s the only way to stop that kind of spin in those cars) and try and bring the back end back to the left. That would explain the quick hit on the gas. That move would work great in any other form of racing if you did it quickly enough. May or may not work in these cars.
It may have been inevitable he was going to hit Kevin no matter what and instinctively chose the thing that gave him control, but ended up being the most dangerous for Kevin. It looked to me like Tony was farther outside on the track than many of the previous cars. That would have left him with fewer options, especially with Kevin’s car stopped against the wall, and left him with less control as he was out in the dirt rather than down on the cleaner racing line. Seeing Tony’s car a few more seconds before the incident would be revealing. But Kevin never, ever should have been out there.
And Tony is a very skilled Sprint car driver. He owns Sprint car teams. He owns tracks as well. Whatever this turns out to be, it can’t be that he shouldn’t have been allowed out there or that he was unqualified.
Here’s a clear shot of his car from last year. You can tell it’s his – #14 and says ‘Smoke’ his nickname on the wing. At this angle you can’t even see the driver. That’s also a pretty good shot of how they take turns. You see the front wheels at full opposite lock (turned hard right) which points them straight in the direction the car is going. That’s how he would have been coming out of that turn and he’s almost certainly looking to his right, which is in the direction of travel.
There’s no reason to think Tony is in the clear here, but there’s also no reason to think it was preventable.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Who’s we? The tiresome douchebag? I wouldn’t judge anyone by his trollery but him
gwangung
@Keith G:
One set of authorities have functioning brains. One doesn’t.
Not sure what your point is.
Ruckus
@raven:
The flux capacitor?
? Martin
@Betty Cracker: The white people were better armed. As soon as a dozen black people showed up in Sacramento with long guns, Reagan couldn’t sign gun control fast enough.
It’s beyond maddening that there are pissed off white people walking all over this country with AR-15s, and black people keep getting the quasi-military responses. I don’t for a second blame black people for doing what the pissed off white people keep threatening to do. This shit seriously needs to stop.
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I wouldn’t go as far as calling Billmon a “tiresome douchebag”, even though he has been very trivial since he caught a case of the tweets.
I haven’t read the comments on this thread yet, so perhaps you refer to something I’ve not yet seen.
lamh36
A Humble Lurker
@Keith G:
The Ferguson folks aren’t willing to use women and children as human shields, dude. They’re also a hell of a lot less armed. That’s the difference.
burnspbesq
@raven:
No kidding. We have nonstops from LAX to Heathrow and back at the end of the month. It’s a long time to be cooped up, but we got good fares on United, which is where I have my FF miles. The next best thing was on Air Canada, but with two layovers, one at O’Hare and one in Halifax.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Thanks for the updates, lamh on the happenings in Ferguson.
Suffern ACE
@burnspbesq: how long are you going to be in London? I’m heading out Labor Day weekend.
Keith G
@gwangung: I was just responding to the copy of the tweet that seemed to be implying some type of connection between the two cited events. I don’t think there is, and certainly no unifying theory connects the behaviors of the authorities with jurisdiction.
But yes, it would be a very good choice for the police in Ferguson to find ways to de-escalate, pronto.
cckids
@Iowa Old Lady:
I did not know that. Yay! Thanks for a bright spot in a sad day/week.
askew
@Betty Cracker:
Thanks. Yeah, working with humans doesn’t seem to be his skill set.
Ruckus
@? Martin:
Other than commenting on BJ I’ve stayed off of any forums about this issue. I saw the video on FB today As I stated I have professional racing experience as a sanctioning body employee/series manager although not this particular type of racing but including oval dirt track racing. I’ve observed many crashes and even watched a friend die 20 ft in front of me while I was working. As tragic as this is, from my perspective, this is Kevin’s fault. Getting out of the car and walking into the racing line, even under yellow is wrong. Just fucking wrong. You crash, you get pushed off the track, it doesn’t matter, you don’t run into racing traffic. Full stop. And in the video I saw it appears that Tony had, as you have stated, very, very limited time to react to a person walking into the racing line and he appeared to turn towards the center of the track, away as best he could from Kevin. This is a tragic event. But if Kevin had done what he was supposed to do, this would never have happened. It couldn’t have even if Tony had wanted it to. And it sounds like the local police/sheriff agrees as they are not going to file charges.
I like your explanations of the cars, spot on.
Mandalay
There’s an update on the off duty Tulsa cop who killed his daughter’s boyfriend last Tuesday. Tulsa’s Chief of Police has “defended the decision to handle the murder case against Officer Shannon Kepler internally with TPD detectives…Jordan reiterated that TPD is working the case just as if it would any other homicide”.
He then added “We never assign it to someone who is a friend of that person. Just because someone knows who they are doesn’t mean that’s going to have any impact on how they investigate a case…It makes it harder anytime when we see someone wearing our badge in trouble, that hurts, but it that doesn’t mean we’re going to change how we investigate a crime.”
But wait! There’s more! It turns out that Tulsa’s police chief personally knows both cops charged. And then he said this of the killer: “Very reliable, very even tempered and I’ve made calls with Shannon. That he would be named as a suspect came as a big surprise to me…I’ve searched my brain to see what could we have done, and if people keep things like this in their family, there’s not much you can do to spot something like this.”
So right after assuring the public that the police investigation would be impartial we learn that the Chief of Police is on first name terms with the cop charged with murder, he has been calling him, and he testified to his good character.
The police investigating one of their own for murder. What could possibly go wrong?
Now here’s the pop quiz:
1. What color is the dead teenager?
2. What color is the cop who killed him?
burnspbesq
@Suffern ACE:
Get there around lunchtime Sunday 31 Aug, leave Thursday morning 04 Sep. Monday is going to be errands with the kid to get him set up in his new student ghetto. Probably more of the same on Tuesday. Wednesday might be a free day. There is no football anywhere in the country on Monday night, which sucketh.
Where are you staying (we’re at the May Fair; got an insane deal).
cckids
@askew:
There should be an empathy test given to people who want to work in health care.
burnspbesq
@Mandalay:
Umm, who else might have jurisdiction?
Mandalay
@burnspbesq: Since you will be free on Wednesday.
lamh36
Ferguson PD telling news reporters to leave cause they are “disruptive”. They are telling people to go to their homes, but they are blocking the people from their homes.
Mandalay
@burnspbesq:
Why couldn’t they hand it over to another police department?
Mandalay
@lamh36:
Don’t worry. This is a perfectly normal procedure. The cops instruct you to do something that is impossible, and then arrest you for not doing it.
Nothing to see here…
lamh36
@Mandalay: I saw a pic of a guy in his SUV trying to get home and he had stopped with his hand up through the sun roof saying “dont’ shoot”.
Now they are threatening media and telling them they have to leave.
MomSense
@lamh36:
Antonio French is doing incredible reporting from Ferguson. I’ve been following him on twitter.
MattR
@lamh36:
This is definitely the hardest part about traveling solo, and I am guessing it is worse as a female. This may be the scummiest hotel I ever checked into (I didn’t actually stay there. My sister saw the place and insisted my dog and I stay in her apt even though she and her husband are both allergic to Ellie)
@? Martin: I agree with Ruckus that yours was a good comment about the Ward tragedy. My only quibble would be that we don’t really know if/when Stewart hit the gas based on the initial video going around. At least to my amatuer ears there was no way to tell if the engine you hear revving is Stewart’s or if it is another car on the near side of the oval, closer to the person with the camera.
@Mandalay:
IIRC the NYPD did that fairly recently with a protest on the Brooklyn Bridge. Ordered the protesters off the sidewalk then arrested them for blocking the roadway.
RaflW
This completely sucks:
For fuck’s sake, she did not shatter the image. She mentioned DDSS in a nuanced context. That Goldberg interview has been utterly fucked over by righty assholes and useless Villagers, and now meme-e-o-grahped by shitbox newspapers like the Times.
Bollocks.
Suffern ACE
@burnspbesq: in Kensington. Wednesday night is proms night. If we’re not too jet lagged.
MomSense
@cckids:
I am so sorry that happened to your son and to you. There is no excuse for that kind of dehumanizing treatment.
Suffern ACE
@RaflW: better than the daily news headline today, which implied that she said the presidents policy was stupid stuff.
rikyrah
@MomSense:
Yes , he has. Hope he and others are ok.
amk
@burnspbesq: Justice dept?
SiubhanDuinne
@jake the antisoshul soshulist:
Helluva time for Charlie Pierce to go on vacation, innit?
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
That’s so nice of you!
I’m really looking forward to this trip. Driving up from Atlanta (yes, on my own, no, I’m not afraid) and happy that I will see friends both old and new, real and (so far) virtual. There are big chunks of itinerary that are still, um, fluid, but I think I’ve talked Anne Laurie into posting closer to travel dates in the profound hope I can meet up with as many Juicers as happen to live near whatever my route turns out to be.
gian
@askew:
I think they get training, I remember a family member telling me something about asking folks if they had anything or anyone they really wanted to see, which doesn’t seem all that much better, but it does try to aim the mind on something to actually look forward to.
I’m afraid that a doctor’s role is often reduced to something close to that of a high end car mechanic these days, when you need to cover the student loans, the car and the rent, the pressure to make the most probable call and move on must be pretty high. I won’t say what I think the others were thinking. When I’m Plato’s benevolent dictator, the Docs will get paid 85% of what they do now and there will be twice as many of them and school will be free after the first semester or year…
(yeah, I’m laughing at myself)
SiubhanDuinne
@askew:
Jesus.
@askew:
Jesus Twice.
gian
@RaflW:
Good thing that Hillary is learning now that right wingers might try and twist words. Glad she’s advanced to 1993 is her world views.
in other words. serious candidates have talking points, they fucking know damn well if it’s a dog whistle, it’s focus group tested.
she’s too fucking narcissistic to deal with the gosh darn obvious question
“is Obama is such a stupid president with bad policies in the international area, why did you stay on as secretary of state instead of screaming out loud of the fire?”
Hillary, they were your fucking policies too, you weren’t SOS at gunpoint, run from Obama and run from yourself.
Mandalay
@burnspbesq:
Well it looks like the FBI have taken over in Ferguson (as requested by the NAACP), so that is another option that Tulsa Police Department have avoided:
The FBI will investigate the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was shot to death Saturday by a Ferguson police officer.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mandalay:
I totally agree.
Occasionally over the last quarter century I have had the incredible opportunity of working with the Carter Center on various projects. On one, several years ago, I helped organize a group of volunteers to put together Guinea Worm kits to send to the countries (mostly in Africa, a few at that time in Asia) that were most affected by GW. They were simple — water purification tabs, vinyl gloves, gauze bandages and adhesive tape, antibiotic creams, and — most crucially — water filters to keep the GW larvae from entering the human “hosts.” Our group alone packed thousands of kits that day, and all together I think the Carter Center sent something close to 80,000 just in that one initiative.
Guinea Worm is the “fiery serpent” of antiquity, referenced in literature and a range of scriptures. It is nothing short of miraculous, combined with human vision, know-how, and determination, that has essentially eradicated the disease in a few short decades.
gian
@burnspbesq:
oh for fuck’s sake, the County Sherriff, the District Attorney, the State Police….
You could answer your own question by reading the police powers statute for the Show Me state, which of course leaves out the feds.
for fuck’s sake take the esq off your nick, people might think you have a clue
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
Sometime earlier today I heard a sound clip from the (I think) Ferguson police chief, and he said “Last night was the worst night of my life,” and all I could think was, Fuck you, mister, it isn’t about you, it was a lot worse night for Michael Brown and his family.
Mandalay
@gian:
This.
Clinton’s “error” was not the words she chose, but the interviewer she chose. But as you suggest, she actually knew precisely what she was doing in that department.
RaflW
@Mandalay: Yeah, I don’t think it was an error. I think she calculated that she could force daylight between her and him right now, damn the consequences for Obama (and Kerry and current US foreign policy).
I don’t like her. I think she’s willing to throw most Dems out the window in her quest for the presidency, one that will be neo-con and totally bankster/corporatists and have nearly nothing in common with progressive values.
I will not vote for a Republican, and I will almost certainly not vote for some quixotic 3rd party hoohaw to “show her,” but I am not looking forward to her term of office.
askew
@cckids:
Wow, that is just horrible. I am speechless at that cruelty. What is wrong with those people?
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
If dance around in your bones is lurking tonight and would be able to re-post her recipe for MJ oil in this thread, it would be greatly appreciated. My stepbrother starts chemo this week for lung cancer and my mom wants to make him some consumables, but she is hopelessly straight (as am I) and has no idea what to do.
burnspbesq
@Mandalay:
DOJ is involved in Ferguson because it’s highly likely that a Federal crime was committed. Not aware of any reason to think that the other case involves a Federal crime. Was the dad acting under color of local authority?
burnspbesq
@gian:
Fuck you right back, you hillbilly. The other case in question took place in Oklahoma, not Missouri. Get your fucking facts straight. And then think about what Oklahoma statute might give somebody other than the Tulsa PD jurisdiction to investigate a potential crime within the city of Tulsa. Inter-agency cooperation across jurisdictional boundaries doesn’t just happen because some asshole thinks it’s a peachy-keen idea.
Mandalay
@burnspbesq:
Gotcha.
No.
But now I understand your original point: the OSBI look like the ideal outfit to do the investigation, but it seems that they have to be invited to do that by the Tulsa Chief of Police. I suspect hell will freeze over before that happens.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
Just back from a very pleasant evening with B-J commenter schrodinger’s cat, who is neither Schrodinger nor a cat, but is a perfectly lovely person with all of the combined sharpness and kindness in person that she displays here. We took a long stroll around San Francisco in unseasonably fine weather and had dinner at a wine bar in the Financial District.
Then I got home and got horrified by what’s going down in Ferguson. Yikes.
rikyrah
@RaflW:
this this
a thousand times THIS
gian
@burnspbesq:
you asked under what theory. it’s something high school kids learn you arrogant overeducated and under intelligent blow hard.
layer cake and marble cake federalism
your big mouth asked who would have jurisdiction, not who would use it (and it was in a thread discussing both Missouri and Oklahoma. I answered who would have it. Since your attitude is haughty, and you didn’t know the fucking answer to your asshole question… I thought you could use a focused lesson in not being an asshole…
for your continuing education credits:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=439991
Section 2-117 – Authority, Responsibility, Powers, and Duties of Officers of Department
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __
A. The Commissioner of Public Safety and each officer of the Department of Public Safety, as designated and commissioned by the Commissioner, are hereby declared to be peace officers of the State of Oklahoma and shall be so deemed and taken in all courts having jurisdiction of offenses against the laws of the state. Such officers shall have the powers and authority now and hereafter vested by law in other peace officers, including the right and power of search and seizure, except the serving or execution of civil process, and the right and power to investigate and prevent crime and to enforce the criminal laws of this state.
B. In addition to the powers and authority prescribed in subsection A of this section, the officers of the Department shall have the following authority, responsibilities, powers and duties:
1. To enforce the provisions of this title and any other law regulating the operation of vehicles or the use of the highways, including, but not limited to, the Motor Carriers Act of this state, or any other laws of this state by the direction of the Governor;
so the governor of Oklahoma could easily direct the highway patrol/state police to investigate hence having jurisdiction.
are people dumb enough to pay your arrogant ass for legal advice? Keep the malpractice insurance paid up, you’re gonna need it.