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raven
The final four!
⚽️ Martin
Going with Germany here. Brazil just looks like a mess this whole tournament. Reckoning day is coming.
⚽️ Martin
And kudos to the Brazilian team for actually knowing the words to their national anthem. Hasn’t been true for many teams.
IM
We will panzer you!
Or whatever I am expected to say.
I do hope for a Klose goal and the record, though.
Alex S.
Finally… the home stretch… Go Germany, but not too far.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@⚽️ Martin: trust me it has a lot of frickin’ words.
Schlemizel
Deutschland über alles
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
When always, for protection,
We stand together as brothers.
Sounds like Germany, all Defense
Punchy
Not sure how/why Brasil is favored in this game, unless someone knows the refs a little too well. Out their best player, and Germany is just a machine. Seems like it should be Germany 2-0 easy.
Then again, soccer is so damn corrupt that who knows what could transpire.
HumboldtBlue
He can opine with the best of them, Randinho, but from my eyes and the eyes of a lot of other people Brazil got very favorable refereeing against Colombia. Let’s hope the Germans put an end to them today.
Calouste
@Punchy:
Well, Referinho hasn’t really being doing much for Brazil since his influential performance in the opening match, but I expect him to show up now it really matters and win the match for Brazil.
Amir Khalid
@Schlemizel:
That verse of the Deutschlandlied is, alas, no longer sung as part of the national anthem. Neither is the second verse, the one about Deutscher Wein, Deutsche Frauen und Deutsche Sang. Which is a pity, because how many national anthems mention wine, women and song? Nowadays they sing only the third and final verse: the boring one that begins, Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit.
raven
I love whining about the officiating in advance!
raven
dupe
Alex S.
two very good defenses – who makes the first mistake?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Woo hoo!
SRW1
1-0 ‘schland.
Punchy
BANG! KRAUTS NOT SOUR TODAY!
Randy Paul aka Randinho
That’s what happens when you don’t mark Germany’s best striker.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Alex S.: I don’t know. Was that a mistake by the Brazilian defense?
HumboldtBlue
What a brilliant corner!
Alex S.
@Alex S.:
Brazil, obviously. Muller had the ball all for himself in front of the goal.
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Yes. No defender was paying attention to Germany’s most successful striker.
Maybe Thiago Silva would have been useful there.
IM
Nice. I would have preferred a Klose goal, though.
Schlemizel
@Amir Khalid:
I knew that verse was no longer sung but thought I was being clever associating the ‘always protection’ with the German sides constant focus on D.. Despite the actual benign intent it originally had it sort of got wrapped up with some ugly companions and needed to go away. Every national anthem should have a verse on wine women & song, it would be so much better than the war-like and.or gawd-bothering of most anthems.
HumboldtBlue
@Randy Paul aka Randinho: That’s miscommunication, that just can’t happen
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Whether or not Klose sets the record this week, Müller’s got a hell of a chance to break it eventually.
scav
Have to admit, Allez Allemagne !
IM
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Yes, if this goes on.
Schlemizel
@raven:
The Russian pejorative for Germans is (or at least was when I was there in the early 70s) “doob” (long ‘o’s like in book) which I was told came from the Russian for ‘oak’ and refered to their being dense, slow-witted & slow moving.
Alex S.
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Indeed, that was Müller’s tenth WC goal. If he plays until the age of 36, like Klose, he’s got three more World Cups in him.
HumboldtBlue
Someone made the observation in the early days of the tournament that Brazil was at a disadvantage heading into the Cup because they did not have to qualify and the other teams came in having gone through the battles while Brazil warmed up with friendlies against weaker teams.
Tony J
Oooh, handbags in the box!
pseudonymous in nc
I think McMahon is mostly right about Brazil-Colombia: watching it live, I saw Brazil choking out the midfield, and perhaps a bit of a Refereeinho effect, but I didn’t think it was a dirty game. Colombia got unnerved at the beginning, took time to settle, and couldn’t generate either the pace out of the back or the coherence out of midfield that served them well in previous matches. (That goal from a cross shouldn’t have been disallowed, though.)
Anyway, early goal for Die Mannschaft, which puts the cat among the clichés.
Amir Khalid
@Schlemizel:
Or the boring pieties in the third verse of the Deutschlandlied. But the Germans are very cautious these days about jingoistic patriotism.
Valdivia
Nice nice corner.
raven
@Schlemizel: The Doobies and Black Oak!
Schlemizel
Not exactly the defensive wet blanket expect so far, actually exciting to the casual almost fan.
But then I’ll never get futbol because I dared question the method used to determine extra time for fucks sake.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
I assume that there was no penalty on Lahm because he got the ball first? That rule’s been changed in hockey; if you trip the guy up, it’s a penalty even if you get the puck first.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@HumboldtBlue: That ignores their record in the Confederations Cup.
Steeplejack
@Schlemizel:
Why are you even allowed to watch?!
Schlemizel
c
Schlemizel
@Amir Khalid:
As well they might be given their sordid past.
Tony J
Looks like Oscar is the guy stepping up to give Brazil the penetration they need in the last third if the pitch, but the Gerrmsns are already giving off that familiar whiff of unconcerned relentlessness.
ETA – Like that.
ETA x2 – And like that. Bloody hell, they’re not even finding it hard.
ETA x 3 – Now it’s embarrassing. Someone turn out the lights.
SRW1
And Klose has the record.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
There’s the record!
Mike E
Klose!
Alex S.
Already an historic game…
Randy Paul aka Randinho
Time to rethink your plan, Felipao.
HumboldtBlue
This is brutal
Steeplejack
Bang-bang!
IM
Klooooose!
morfydd
Klose!
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Hmmn. Don’t run into Manuel Neuer.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
Boy are they missing Thiago Silva.
SRW1
Oh, Oh, disaster for Brazil in the making?!
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
We may be looking at a blowout.
MikeJ
adeus
Hill Dweller
Wow. 3-0.
Alex S.
Oh dear…
Amir Khalid
Klose gets his 16th World Cup finals goal. Defensive mistakes are costing the Selecao dear.
ETA: 3-0. This is turning into a rout.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Good lord. Brazil has collapsed.
raven
If it was a fight they’d stop it.
Steeplejack
Holy shnikeys! Un-believ-able.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
Well if anyone thinks that the cup was being bought for Brazil . . .
Alex S.
Well, people have complained that this World Cup hasn’t had a new classic knock-out game so far, here it is…
Hill Dweller
4-0. Brazil is going to burn tonight.
Schlemizel
Wish I owned stock in German breweries – they may be drained dry tonight. There will be no work done tomorrow!
⚽️ Martin
Well, nice to see the curse of a 1-0 game is broken, but this is turning into a rout. Didn’t want to see that against the home team.
Brazil needs to regroup, at this rate Germany will win 16-0.
Mike E
Goooooool! Holee sheeuht.
Univision cuts to shocked, dumbfounded, sobbing Brazilians.
Tripod
Now sixty minutes of chippy bullshit.
HumboldtBlue
@Randy Paul aka Randinho: I am speechless
SRW1
Jebus, Germany has given up a 4-0 lead once against Sweden. I very much doubt, it’s gonna happen tonight. This looks over before 30 min are played.
IM
The poor brasilians.
pseudonymous in nc
There are cones on the training ground that have more mobility than the Brazilian back line.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): clearly not a penalty.
raven
It could be the comeback of the century!!!!
Dave C
Jesus H Christ. Can we institute a mercy rule or something? Holy shit.
Steeplejack
Wow. ESPN announcer just said “Brazil’s World Cup is surely over.” At 26 minutes into the game. Hard to disagree, though.
morfydd
My feed is on about a two minute delay and the screams of joy from the neighborhood DON’T STOP…
John (MCCARTHY) Cole
I have never seen anything like this.
Tony J
@Randy Paul aka Randinho:
I don’t think Germany needs the money.
Patricia Kayden
Someone is working voodoo on those poor Brazilians. Dang!
⚽️ Martin
However, consider if Brazil comes back from this for a win.
scav
ummmm. golly.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Mike E: it’s gotten very quiet here.
MikeJ
The Brazilians just trimmed it too narrow. Looks like the Germans are going to wax their ass.
Hill Dweller
5-0
Alex S.
Maybe Müller can get the record today… 5-0… I feel sorry.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
I honestly think that the Germans have been the beneficiaries of a couple of bad calls. But that doesn’t explain 4- . . .
Excuse me. 5-0.
Patricia Kayden
Wowzer — a 5th goal! And we’re not even at the 30 minute mark.
proterozoic
I’ve never seen anything like this. Klose gets #1 top WC scorer ever, with 2 goals against Brazil… first 26 minutes. Unspeakable humiliation.
All of a sudden, our 1-0 loss against Germany is lookin’ pretty good.
dmsilev
Is there a mercy rule in the World Cup?
raven
Bet it’s gonna be fun out in the streets.
proterozoic
Motherfuck me, I can’t even type a comment and the Germans score another..
Un fucking believable
burnspbesq
@Randy Paul aka Randinho:
The check bounced. And Amir is pissed.
⚽️ Martin
You get a hat trick! You get a hat trick! Everyone gets a hat trick!
HumboldtBlue
That was three minutes of playing Fifa on a playstation … oops hasn’t stopped
IM
well, yes. Is five goals in 30 minutes some sort of record?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@SRW1: Have they ever blown a five goal lead?
⚽️ Martin
@dmsilev: Yes, the game ends after 90 minutes no matter what.
MikeJ
The best hope for Brazil is a Black Sunday style blimp attack that cancels the game.
Schlemizel
@Schlemizel:
@Amir Khalid:
Interesting, I was trying to write a comment & it double posted without me touching it. What I was going to add – off thread entirely – was I have a second cousin who was an anti-aircraft gunner for a couple of weeks in ’45. The Waffen boys showed up at his school and told all the boys they had just been drafted and they should get on the trucks outside. He got a weeks training and then was tossed in against the Ruskies. He said the kids all talked & decided there was no way they would be taken by Russians so the first chance they got they headed West as fast as they could. He was ‘captured’ by an English officer who made him his houseboy. He was lucky as he did not suffer like many did post-war. He had to run again as his town ended up in the East and he was slated for a work camp. He ended up in West Germany while his parents were in the East.
Not really much game to discuss – do they bet an over/under in futbol?
Amir Khalid
People were complaining about how cagey the knockout-stage matches had become, so as a football deity I figured I should do something.
raven
4 corners?
Patricia Kayden
@Alex S.: They’ve gone too far.
piratedan
we’ve officially reached the bugs bunny stage of the tournament, Germany scoring at will on Brazil at Brazil…
Tripod
Maybe Loew should sub his three now. No point in getting anyone hurt by an angry and frustrated home side.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Wow. That second goal went in and Brazil surrendered.
raven
@Patricia Kayden: A bridge too far?
SRW1
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Not to my knowledge.
Tony J
The last four goals have simply been handed to Germany. The only thing left for Brazil is to try and salvage their pride, but I can’t see anyone on the pitch remotely capable of rising to the occasion. Shambolic doesn’t even start to cover it, the Brazilians look like they just want to get off the pitch.
Calouste
@proterozoic:
Well, Klose is the WC #1 scorer only in the case Muller doesn’t overtake him in this match.
Heliopause
Mercy Rule.
Going into this final four I thought Brazil looked the weakest, most vulnerable of the group. For once I was right, but this is ridiculous.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Hill Dweller: You really don’t know Brazilians. They’re not Canadians.
At most they’ll mope and cry foul, much like what happened in 1998.
Steeplejack
Four goals in 6 minutes 45 seconds. Astounding.
Patricia Kayden
@raven: Yes indeedy. As the Irish announcer keeps saying, this is embarrassing for Brazil.
raven
I need a fucking announcer to tell me this is embarrassing.
Alex S.
@Patricia Kayden:
Indeed. Things like that aren’t supposed to happen. Although…. it happened twice, in the semi-finals of the 1930 World Cup. But to have it happen to Brazil…
raven
twice
burnspbesq
I was expecting to see some blowouts this week, but I was expecting to see them in the group stage of the world lacrosse championship. Not this. No way.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Hopefully the fourth line gets some time on the power play.
Tripod
I don’t know why the morons in the ESPN booth are pretending there is still a game on. Unless Brazil decides to be assholes about it, the remainder of the game is a training session.
HumboldtBlue
For a moment I almost felt a bit sorry for the Brazilians, but then I came to my senses. They are getting what they deserve, they have been on the edge since the opening game and it’s caught them here in the final four.
burnspbesq
Macca sounds like his sense of football aesthetics is being offended by this lame effort by Brazil. I think. My Scouse is better than my French, but it isn’t all that good.
Amir Khalid
If Germany score a sixth goal, it seems rather unlikely Brazil can come back.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Tony J: Agreed. The scoreline doesn’t tell us much about die Mannschaft other that they can accept gifts.
burnspbesq
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Seriously. Playing time for ALL the walk-ons.
Steeplejack
@Tripod:
Well, they have to sit there for the next 80 minutes and talk about something, so what do you suggest?
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Wow. Just. Wow.
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
You are a master of understatement, sir.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Hopefully the ref at least minimizes injury time.
HumboldtBlue
The shot of the 11-year old boy crying into his soda cup is heart-wrenching and I feel for him. I know what it’s like to be a boy as your team fails in such fashion, comes with being a sports fan.
SRW1
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
I guess 1 min is indeed the minimum.
mali muso
omg. just. wow. I thought I would go to the gym and squeeze in a quick workout before going home. Nothing happens in the first 20 minutes anyways, right? Holy hell was I wrong! This is a total rout.
ETA: So, is there no “uncle” rule? Can they just call it quits and go home?
Tripod
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Which brings us back to the near unintelligible blather on ESPN – I wish Kasey Keller was doing color. At least then you’d know if Loew & Co. found something and ruthlessly exploited it.
Steeplejack
“Divorced parents trade accusations” on Dr. Phil. “Accused of destroying a rental property” on Judge Judy. Hmm . . .
Ah! The Big Steal on TCM. Somehow that title seems apropos.
⚽️ Martin
Just stepped away for 10 minutes and was shocked it wasn’t 9-0. Let’s see if another Brazilian team comes out after the break.
HumboldtBlue
@Steeplejack: I had just finished watching a documentary about the Falklands war before the start of the game. That confrontation was much closer than this one will ever be.
Tripod
@Steeplejack:
Oh I don’t know, anything really. Georgie Best, the 1986 FA Cup, the 1979 NASL playoffs, MLS promotion-relegation….
burnspbesq
Doubleplusdumbfounded am I.
Valdivia
This is even more brutal than the 4-1 win against Argentina in 2010. It took them the whole game to score all of those. Just woo.
Emma
The Argentinian gentleman in the office next door is doing a tango…
smintheus
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Has the rule been changed in hockey? When? I thought getting the puck was always justification.
burnspbesq
OK, these Old Spice ads are seriously creepy.
IM
time to throw in the towel for Brasil.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@raven: Right now it’s very quiet here in Vitoria. There would be much more craziness if Brazil won 5-0 and went to the final. More pissing and moaning than anything else.
⚽️ Martin
If Germany scores another unanswered goal, it’s going to feel dirty to continue watching this.
Steeplejack
I don’t think even the “Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!” speech gets the Brazilians out of this one. The Germans have bombed Pearl Harbor, blown up the Maine and sacked Rome.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@smintheus: It was a few years back. I admit that I don’t know if that’s true in the NHL but it’s been that way for at least five years in the NCAA.
raven
@burnspbesq: At least you don’t get these local ads in Atlanta from this douchebag Bryant Wright that gives “right from my heart” bible talks.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Valdivia: The pedant in me must point out that it was 4-0.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Emma: I can only imagine.
Amir Khalid
I wonder what Big Phil is going to do about this. He can only sub three players onto the field.
Fun fact: at the UEFA Champions League final in 2005, Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez was so flustered at being 3-0 down at the break that he mistakenly sent 12 players on for the second half. Fortunately, the mistake was caught before they took to the field.
Tony J
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
The Germans have been efficient, everyone has done their job and done it well. Some of their play has been lovely to watch, but it’s all been overwhelmed by the sheer awfulness of Brazil’s performance.
Other than maybe Oscar and – despite the score line – the keeper, not a single guy in yellow deserves to wear that shirt.
smintheus
@HumboldtBlue: Their defense is terrible in large part because Silva disqualified himself with a jerk move to interfere with the Colombian keeper. Well deserved.
IM
@Steeplejack:
Some sort of record too, I bet.
HumboldtBlue
@Randy Paul aka Randinho: There is still a chance we will have an all-European final in South America.
International football has changed dramatically since the start of the 21st century.
burnspbesq
The way Brazil is playing today, they would be in trouble against Canada.
Steeplejack
@Tony J:
Yeah, very little of that carnage was the keeper’s fault.
Valdivia
@Randy Paul aka Randinho: no thank you for saying that. Can’t give them credit for a goal they didn’t score!
Alex S.
Brazil made two substitutions. Fred is still on the field.
smintheus
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Ah…I think the old rule still holds in the NHL.
smintheus
Just realized I need to make some popcorn. This is the game for it.
MikeJ
When Chelsea stomped on Wigan 8-0, Wigan refunded ticket price to their fans.
dmsilev
Two bits picked from Twitter, via the NYT liveblog:
““Perhaps the most sickening thing for Brazil,” writes Rat Soni on Twitter; “they are eliciting pity from an American.””
God’s account (@TheTweetOfGod) has chimed in with what surely must be the definitive word: “Stop praying to Me, Brazil. Even I can’t help you now.”
burnspbesq
I wouldn’t mind seeing Brazil get three back, just to cause a little panic.
Valdivia
@Emma:
I remember in the last WC Brazil had already been eliminated when Argentina got that 4-0 blowout at the hands of the Germans. The Brazilian press was hilarious to read. Schadenfreude galore! Watch the Argentinian press tonight. I’ll be curious to know how they cover it.
Amir Khalid
@burnspbesq:
Heck, with defending like that, they would lose to Malaysia.
mali muso
@Valdivia: Should be fascinating. Hope you’ll watch and report back! :)
Betty Cracker
Via a Gawker commenter:
Heh.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Oh, look. Neuer makes a save. Brazil has come out hard so far in the second half. It’s way too late, but good to see.
Amir Khalid
@Valdivia:
It seems the hosts completely forgot to hold a one minute’s silence for Alfredo Di Stefano, the Argentine-born football legend who died yesterday in Madrid. That sort of thing does provoke karma, y’know.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Now it’s Germany’s turn to look really sloppy but Neuer is making some huge saves.
MikeJ
@Amir Khalid: Maybe that’s what I’ll get for dinner. Malaysian takeaway. I keep meaning to go to Kedai Makan.
SRW1
So now Brazil wants Neuer to have an opportunity to earn the nommination as the goalie in the team of the tournament.
IM
And Neuer is quite good, too.
Amir Khalid
Check out the Guardian live-blog. The photo of Christ the Redeemer face-palming in the 9:51 BST post is priceless.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Amir Khalid: In fairness to the hosts, that would have been up to FIFA.
burnspbesq
When the announcers start talking transfer rumors, we’re officially in garbage time.
Tony J
Christ Akimbo! Brazil have come out and played better in the first 5 mins than they did in the entire first half. They could, probably should, have got two (make that three) goals back already, but the German keeper is proving to be touched by Amir.
That’s got to hurt. Germany are almost certain to score again once the first Brazilian adrenaline rush starts to ebb and their heads drop.
Schlemizel
@MikeJ:
I so want Nasi Gorang like my mom used t make but none of the places here offer it. The closest is Nasi Lampak.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Amir Khalid: Brilliant! I just showed it to my brother-in-law and his wife and in-laws. We all got a good laugh.
burnspbesq
Julio Cesar must be looking forward to getting back behind that stalwart Toronto FC defense.
mali muso
@Schlemizel: Mmmm, I made some nasi goreng last night, but it never tastes like I remember it growing up. (Lived in Indonesia from ages 3-16). I could really go for some proper sate ayam right about now.
SRW1
@Amir Khalid:
Maybe they’ll do it tomorrow before the Hol – Arg game. After all, Di Stefano was, as you said, born in Argentina.
Tony J
@Valdivia:
Sans Messi, I could see the Dutch doing something like this to what is otherwise a deeply average Argentine team. Even with him the Argentine press had better get their schadenfreude in quickly, because their place in the final is far from guaranteed.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Cesar just pulled a Neuer.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Has anyone seen Fred?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
6-0
Tripod
Just not enough scoring in soccer……
Patricia Kayden
The beatdown continues. 6-0.
lol chikinburd
Cesar’s been far and away Brazil’s best player today. Says a lot for a goalkeeper whose team are losing
56-0. (Mostly about his back four, and his midfield, and his center-forward, and…)Tony J
Here we go again. 6-0.
proterozoic
The pain, it just won’t end.
burnspbesq
The first text on Dante’s phone will be from Guardiola.
Steeplejack
Oh, the humanity.
IM
No mercy.
burnspbesq
That crowd sounds like the Jets just gave up another TD pass to the Patriots.
Alex S.
@Tony J:
Though Di Maria will be missing. I think that makes it easier for the Dutch. Not quite without-Silva-easy, though.
Amir Khalid
That’s the host team, the national team with five World Cup champion’s stars on their shirt, half a dozen goals down. HALF A DOZEN GOALS down.
Don’t ever piss me off.
dmsilev
Look on the bright side. Just one touchdown, and Brazil is back in this.
burnspbesq
This is one match where we won’t hear anyone complain about the ref.
dmsilev
@Amir Khalid: Just for the record, what did the Brazilians, or supporters of same, do to piss you off?
Schlemizel
@dmsilev:
How’d Germany miss the PAT?
Schlemizel
@dmsilev:
Yes, this might be a useful thing to know so as to avoid it in the future :)
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@burnspbesq: His haircut is terrible.
burnspbesq
@Schlemizel:
Bad snap.
Valdivia
@Tony J:
Totally agree.
Cacti
I’m a big time homer for Brazil, but I felt like Germany had the better team even with Brazil at full strength.
This year’s Selecao was probably the least talented and most untested squad Brazil has fielded in the last 20 years.
Surprised by the margin but not by the outcome.
burnspbesq
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
That haircut is standard equipment on Mexican Referee 2.0. Gotta pay extra for the upgrade.
scav
oh no, Amir’s now got capricious and vengeful down, we are in such trouble.
pseudonymous in nc
Well, I wish Colombia had got through.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Schlemizel: They didn’t. 7-0
Tony J
@Alex S.:
Agreed. Argentina have been (Messi aside) just generally unimpressive, but before tonight I’d have said that about Brazil. The Dutch should be able to see them off over the 90.
Bloody hell, 7-0, and the goal of the night. So far.
raven
@burnspbesq: Except people who complained before it started.
Hill Dweller
7-0
Otmar
The German fans are singing “so ein Tag, so wunderschön wie heute.”
IM
That is not funny anymore.
Tomorrow: day of national mourning.
Alex S.
Oh dear, goal of the tournament, and the most meaningless.
pete
@scav: Better see some proper humility from the Germans between now and the final, or
heavenAmir knows how they’ll pay. Do you think sacrifices would help?Amir Khalid
@dmsilev:
I think I’ll keep that to myself, just so you guys stay on your toes.
BWAHAHA.
The Dangerman
I assume Brazil’s current Coach will soon be Brazil’s former Coach?
IM
@Otmar:
can you blame them?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
From Ricky Gervais: “This won’t be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety.”
pseudonymous in nc
In Britain, they’d now be spelling this out as SEVEN to show it wasn’t a typo.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@pete: Only if they sacrifice money by putting it in an envelope and mailing it to him.
IM
In a few minutes, it will be quite outside my window. And I can’t really complain.
Valdivia
7-0
Just wow
Violet
Oh wow. I just gotta check the score. Brutal.
IM
Yes, the merciless german isn’t just a prejudice.
smintheus
The really embarrassing thing is that, if the Germans were down by 7 goals at the 85 minute mark, they’d still be a threat to tie it up against this Brazilian squad.
Alex S.
I guess it was over with the second goal. Brazil began well, but Germany also defended well. Then there were a couple of nervous minutes, but Germany woke up first and scored. Then Brazil became even more nervous and the second goal defeated them, with the additional shock that Klose took the record away from Ronaldo. Then the game was basically over and all the pressure on the Brazilians broke them apart.
kindness
This is just a Holy Shit game.
Wouldn’t want to be a drunk Yankee in Brazil tonight.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Has Germany covered the spread?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Bernard seems to like bouncing off of Neuer.
pete
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Being vengeful and capricious as he is, he’d just lay it on the outsider and make it so.
Valdivia
@Tony J:
Well we have the Dutch a hard time and took them to penalties so you really can’t just assume they’ll roll the Argentinians.
Cacti
@The Dangerman:
Probably.
But in reality, Scolari probably got them farther than they should have gone.
Felanius Kootea
The referee should just please stop the game. No stoppage time at least. Oh my God. I hope the Brazilian team has an armed guard.
burnspbesq
You might get this scoreline in a FA Cup third round match between a Premier League team and a bunch of part-timers from the Combined Counties League South.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Cacti: Maybe farther than they should have gone, but Scolari is the guy who kept putting Fred out on the pitch.
burnspbesq
From the Guardian liveblog:
burnspbesq
I’ve heard noisier crowds at UC Irvine basketball games.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
There goes the shutout.
Alex S.
Ah yes, the pity goal…
dmsilev
I guess the US should be proud that we only lost to Germany by one goal.
mali muso
Brazil gets one in the very last moment! The Univision GOALLLLL yell feels a little hollow and peremptory.
IM
Honour is saved.
SRW1
I wonder whether there is a doofus on this planet who actually placed a bet on a 7-1 for Germany and made an absolute killing tonight?
Felanius Kootea
1 goal for Brazil.
Patricia Kayden
Wonder why several of the Brazilian players are praying after such a slaughter. Interesting.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
And the final whistle brings a merciful end to the Massacre at Belo Horizante.
lol chikinburd
You know it’s not Özil’s tournament when he couldn’t score on Brazil.
Cacti
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
This year was one of those years where you play with the team you have, not the one one you wish you had. There was no Pele, Ronaldo, Jairzinho, Garrincha, or Rivaldo to be found on this year’s Selecao. Instead, it was Fred and Hulk.
burnspbesq
Oscar and Draxler look like should be doing their algebra homework instead of playing in a World Cup.
Amir Khalid
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Germany aren’t pleased that they conceded, even if it was too late to do Brazil any good. But at this point, it’s academic. 7-1 is still the biggest pasting ever handed out in the history of World Cup semi-finals.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
From the Guardian: “It’s a measure of how downright German the Germans are that Manuel Neuer and his defenders were absolutely furious with each other for allowing Brazil to score that late goal.”
Amir Khalid
@SRW1:
I’m pretty sure someone did that and is now about to enjoy the generosity of my blessings. Someone did bet on Luis Suarez biting an opponent, and that worked out well for them.
pete
@Patricia Kayden: Praying? For safe transport I guess. Maybe a white flag would help?
ThresherK
@burnspbesq: Or Barnstoneworth United.
Cacti
Well, looks like the 1950 Selecao can breath a sigh of relief at having been replaced for the worst moment in Brazilian World Cup history.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@kindness: i’m a sober one in Brazil at the moment it’s pretty calm.
Amir Khalid
Unless someone gets hammered 8-0 tomorrow, this is going to be the unexpected thrashing of the World Cup. Brazil lost a great deal of face today, and they’ll need to win the third-place match to make a start on regaining it.
Tony J
@Valdivia:
It’s not guaranteed, but Costa Rica were consistently hard working, played as a team and earned that penalty shoot-out. I just don’t see that with Argentina. They rely almost entirely on Messi and if he gets closely marked out of the game the Dutch should edge it.
That said, he is Messi, and he is a magician. He could win the game all on his own.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Patricia Kayden: That it didn’t go into double digits.
Randy Paul aka Randinho
@Tony J: and Messi doesn’t have DiMaria to help him.
Cacti
@Tony J:
It would be entirely in character if the Dutch tried to take him out of the game.
Schlemizel
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
That was almost a given.
I know there have been blow outs in the opening rounds but how often are 7 goals scored in game this late in the Cup., let alone by one side?
IM
@lol chikinburd:
I did wait for a Neuer goal.
IM
@Schlemizel:
record
(I am sounding like a broken record today)
Citizen_X
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): This was so bad, Poland felt bad for Brazil.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Schlemizel:
It’s happened once. Today.
IM
@pete:
For forgiveness.
Schlemizel
@IM:
I quit being a Vikings fan about 30 years ago but before that I could probably have worked up some sympathy for the Brazil side. Somehow this was a Superbowl level performance, a game generally making nap time preferable by half-time
IM
@Citizen_X:
I just read: Blitzkrieg: efficient since 1939.
Well.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Citizen_X: I have a Polish friend and I just emailed him asking how he feels about Miroslav Klose.
IM
@Schlemizel:
After the 0:5 I shifted m sympathy to Brasil.
I should have done it earlier, but everything between the second and the fifth goal happened so fast.
scav
“Quintili Vare, legiones redde!”
Schlemizel
@IM:
Yeah. Who had time?
Cacti
@Schlemizel:
It’s without equal.
The closest parallel in US sports would be the 55-10 pasting that the 49ers laid on the Broncos in Super Bowl 24.
Schlemizel
@Cacti:
I really lost all interest in football several years ago but it seems to be that close, exciting Stuperbowls are the exception. Perhaps not 7-1 lopsided but over by halftime more often than not. Even when the score ends close it seemed like there was not much doubt. This was an actual pounding on that sort of scale; by the end of the first quarter it was obviously out of reach.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Schlemizel: Actually, at the quarter mark today it was still 1-0. It’s just that at the third mark it was 5-0.
IM
@Cacti:
The record win of the german team was 8:0 against Saudi-Arabia. Saudi-Arabia.
You see the problem?
Tripod
@Schlemizel:
Single elimination sucks. Games get out of hand, and that becomes representative of the quality of the competing sides. The better team is also less likely to be upset over a multi-game series.
Valdivia
@Tony J:
I agree with your analysis completely. It’s interesting to see these teams that rely on just one star player instead of working as a team. We’ll see what happens! :)
pseudonymous in nc
@Tripod:
Blah blah blah. The domestic leagues provide a complete schedule. This is the World Cup.
There are not many occasions when a football team gets found out, but when that happens, it’s memorable. It’s happened twice here: first with Spain, now with Brazil.
pseudonymous in nc
@Tripod:
Blah blah blah. The domestic leagues provide a complete schedule. This is the World Cup.
There are not many occasions when a football team gets found out, but when that happens, it’s memorable. It’s happened twice here: first with Spain, now with Brazil.
Valdivia
Check out the front page of La Nacion in Argentina. You don’t even need to know Spanish. The whole page is about the horribleness of the loss. Schadenfreude!
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/m1/
Tony J
@Randy Paul aka Randinho:
Well, if they’ve got any sense at all the Argentinians will look at what happened tonight and recognise that a lot of them need to raise their game if they want to face Germany in the final. The question is – can – they raise their game, or are they already playing out of their skins and we just don’t realise it because, y’know, that’s kind of sad in the context of an Argentine World Cup squad.
Good thing about all this, we’ll see really soon.
Tony J
@Cacti:
I don’t doubt it for a second. But one of the things about Messi, when he’s on his game (which he seems to be) it’s as hard to foul him as it is to dispossess him, and it’s frigging impossible to do it without making it obvious you deserve a card. What price an Argentina sans Messi if the Dutch have to play the rest of the game with 10 or even 9 men?
Tony J
@Valdivia:
We will indeed. Got to say, though, I really did not expect an all European final in this World Cup. I’m half hoping the Argentinians pull it out just to avoid one, but I can’t see it.
Same time tomorrow, lady.
IM
@Valdivia:
Riding for a fall. They could very possible lose against the netherlands.
pseudonymous in nc
Miguel Delaney, who writes for ESPN and some Irish papers, predicted that it would be the worst defeat for a home nation in the history of the World Cup. He made that prediction two days ago. He wrote this tonight:
His consistent argument was that Brazil’s performance was underpinned by emotion — the effort to bring the World Cup back and exorcise the demons of 1950, the sacrifices imposed upon ordinary Brazilians — and when that cracked, there was nothing.
And now you have a nation in shock that has to face playing in the wretched obligation of the 3rd/4th place playoff, with the prospect of Argentina lifting the trophy in the Maracana. I sort of hope the Dutch win tomorrow.
Elie
@pseudonymous in nc:
..powerful analysis and insight you give…..whoa–
Powerful most of all for the politics of this. Specifically:
“a nation in shock that has to face playing in the wretched obligation of the 3rd/4th place playoff, with the prospect of Argentina lifting the trophy in the Maracana”.. Lots of shit flowing down from those favelas razed in preparation for the coronation that did not occur. Poor Brasil — place of my birth. You can’t skip steps to become the nation that you want to be. You will have to work it the long way around… but that is for the better. I totally respect how many Brazilians protested and beared witness to how so much money was spent without benefit to the people. I wish them strength to continue. Futball is a minor issue but helps to place some traction on much more important things..
From such things, revolutions are made….
JAFD
@Amir Khalid:
Has anyone noticed that you can sing the words to Deutschland Uber Alles to the theme music from All Things Considered ?
Paul in KY
@Cacti: The goalie on that 1950 team was reminded about it every day of his life. His nickname was ‘the man who made Brasil cry’. He’s dead now, but I guess his soul can finally rest as a new generation will get his treatment for the rest of their lives.
Paul in KY
@Cacti: The Cowboys put an epic pasting on the Patriots back in the 90s. This is beyond that, I think.