The Gun Nut Dilemma

This was entirely predictable, and, in fact, I remember one of you predicting this exact problem but can not remember who or in what comment thread:

On the first day of the new Georgia Safe Carry Protection Act, a misunderstanding between two armed men in a convenience store Tuesday led to a drawn firearm and a man’s arrest.

“Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

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A man carrying a holstered firearm entered the store to make a purchase. Another customer, also with a holstered firearm, approached him and demanded to see his identification and firearms license, according to the Valdosta Police Department report.

The customer making demands for ID pulled his firearm from its holster but never pointed it at the other customer, who said he was not obligated to show any permits or identification.

He demanded the man’s ID again. Undeterred by the drawn gun, the man paid for his items, left the store and called for police.

Authorities arrested Ronald Williams, 62, on a charge of disorderly conduct, related to the pulling of a weapon inside of the store, according to the VPD. Police confiscated Williams’ weapon and took him to the Lowndes County Jail.

The police chief said no one can demand a person to show their gun permit. Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

So no one is allowed to ask any one if they are allowed to carry a pistol, not even the cops. So therefore, how do you know who should have a gun and who shouldn’t?

You can’t! America, fuck yeah! Maybe they’ll just start taking each other out. There has to be a niche for companies to go Target and say “We provide a gun free zone” and then let the gun nuts go to free fire zones and take each other out.

146 replies
  1. 1
    Corner Stone says:

    Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

    Wait…what?

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    PNW_WarriorWoman says:

    Would you be able to share the link from this incident? It would be helpful for cross posting. Thank you.

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    Zam says:

    The police chief said no one can demand a person to show their gun permit. Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

    But we can ask random brown people if they are even allowed to be here.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @PNW_WarriorWoman: Try this one:
    Valdosta

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    We deserve to go extinct.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Fucking Georgia. Why won’t they just secede already?
    Buncha assholes.

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    mellowjohn says:

    well obviously, the good guys are the ones carrying guns and the bad guys are the ones wearing hoodies and carrying skittles.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Apparently D’Nesh DeSousa’s new movie “America, what the world would be like if she didn’t exist” is coming out tomorrow. I would posit that America will not exist in the future because idiots with guns will have killed all the other idiots with guns and the entire country will devolve into chaos. At best all of the idiots with guns will cause the sane people without guns to retreat to their homes, never to come out and cause an economic collapse because people are too afraid to leave their homes to work.

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    Violet says:

    Which one of these guys is the good guy with the gun?

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @Zam:

    Or vote, it seems to me that priorities have got really fucked up here.

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    Biscuits says:

    Darwin Award winners.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Fucking Georgia. Why won’t they just secede already?

    Because of all that sweet, sweet Federal (mostly DOD) money.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Violet:

    Which one of these guys is the good guy with the gun?

    Yes.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ Cole up top:

    I remember one of you predicting this exact problem but can not remember who or in what comment thread:

    All of us, Katie.

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    PopeRatzo says:

    @Corner Stone: Sure enough. Police in Georgia are prohibited from asking to see the permit or license of someone who is carrying a gun.

    There you go. When blood is spilled over this stupidity, I guess the best we can hope for is that it’s someone who will have maximum impact on the people of Georgia. Unfortunately, the only one who qualifies is maybe Mark Richt or some NASCAR driver with three first names.

    Sometimes, the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of a head football coach, you know?

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    Baud says:

    @Violet:

    Hard to tell. They both lived.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Ammosexuals are busily arguing that this has nothing to do with the new laws. Let’s give it a week and see just how good they are at coming up with excuses for their Responsible™ buddies.

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    WaterGirl says:

    “Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

    It’s like two unrelated female cats, they just can’t get along.

    Quick, somebody invent FeliWay for Ammosexuals!

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    Violet says:

    Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

    This just makes me laugh and laugh. Law-n-order loving Republicans have handicapped the police officers’ ability to do their jobs. Well done. If it makes the police resent the gun nuts that may be a win.

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    some guy says:

    Taught for a year in Valdosta. Football and gun crazy there. Very scary rednecks.

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    Violet says:

    “Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

    So because they can’t walk around with their dicks out to have a measuring contest they use their dick substitutes.

    How many women are walking around carrying guns openly? How many non-white people? Just curious.

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    Hal says:

    Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

    Wha? They did confiscate the mans gun when he was arrested, but I’m surprised the cops could even do that.

    And dudes a brotha. Hey, at least we are all getting in on the open carry. Can’t wait to see what happens when more minorities with assault rifles start walking around in Georgia.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Corner Stone: Why do you hate Raven and JPL and (somebody else who I forget SORRY) so much?

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    I’m actually impressed that the man who was asked to show his permit didn’t blast away when the asker drew his gun. Seems like a situation tailor-made for “Stand your ground.” Sigh…

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    MikeJ says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Fucking Georgia. Why won’t they just secede already?

    I think they’re waiting for Texas to go first.

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    chopper says:

    “Your papers, please. Oh shit, sorry, I thought you were brown. It’s these goddamn sunglasses. Shit, sorry to bother you.”

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    Poopyman says:

    @WaterGirl: ‘Xactly. Who (besides the media) couldn’t see this coming?

    And the next standoff will end worse.

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    efgoldman says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Why do you hate Raven and JPL and (somebody else who I forget SORRY) so much?

    He’s not prejudiced, he hates everybody.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @WaterGirl: That is so true, my related female cats get along fine, when it comes to the unrelated ones it is absolute chaos.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Screw those assholes. If they continue to live there then I guess they are complicit and agree with this sort of thing, n’est-ce pas?

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    boatboy_srq says:

    This used to be such a peaceful town.

    I can’t decide if GA is trying to reenact The Good, The Bad and The Ugly or Westworld.. Either way it won’t be especially pretty.

    @Corner Stone: I still say that secession is now definitely unconstitutional, but eviction from the Union is still worth exploring.

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    Roger Moore says:

    This was entirely predictable, and, in fact, I remember one of you predicting this exact problem but can not remember who or in what comment thread:

    Probably because it was so obvious it was pointed out multiple times. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that when every wannabe with a gun is allowed to parade around with it, and when the law says you’re allowed to plug anyone who you think is threatening, that lots of dumb shit involving guns is going to go down.

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    The Dangerman says:

    ….and then let the gun nuts go to free fire zones and take each other out.

    Works for me.

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    JPL says:

    I live in Roswell, GA and we have plenty of regulations. I can’t put out trash until 6pm before the day of pickup. I can’t have a car on my front lawn and I’ve been encouraged to recycle for decades. Recycle day is the same as trash pickup, btw. Of course there are numerous zoning laws and you had better not cut down a hardwood tree without city permision.

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    Ash Can says:

    It’s an inevitability that these assholes are going to start taking each other out. I just feel sorry for their families — but I especially feel sorry for the inevitable innocent bystanders who are going to get caught in the crossfire and hit with stray bullets.

    I know that normal life goes on in Georgia and one’s chances of getting in the path of bullets flying at random while going about daily routines is extremely small. But just the fact that these asinine laws increase the chances, anywhere, anytime, would be weighing on my mind constantly if I lived there. And isn’t that what terrorism’s all about?

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @Roger Moore: I think it was John Stewart who called that the corner of Stand Your Ground and Open Carry. Sounds like a crash site to me.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @JPL: Isn’t it fascinating how these FREEDUMB!-loving idjits will submit to the most onerous local ordinances and HOA bylaws just to avoid Big Gubmint?

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @JPL: Isn’t it fascinating how these FREEDUMB!-loving idjits will submit to the most onerous local ordinances and HOA bylaws just to avoid Big Gubmint?

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    efgoldman says:

    @JPL:

    and you had better not cut down a hardwood tree without city permission.

    Ah, civil disobedience. Every time a progressive gets stopped for a vehicle violation, s/he should tell the office, politely: If’n ah don’t have t’show mah gun permit, then Ah shoont have t’show mah drahver’s license, neithuh.”

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    Rich (In Name only) in reno says:

    Filled with rage then
    Billy Joe reached for his gun to draw
    But the stranger drew his gun and fired
    Before he even saw
    As Billy Joe fell to the floor
    The crowd all gathered ’round
    And wondered at his final words

    [Chorus]
    Don’t take your guns to town son
    Leave your guns at home Bill
    Don’t take your guns to town

    Johnny Cash, 1958

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    Fucking Georgia. Why won’t they just secede already?

    Because of all that sweet, sweet Federal (mostly DOD) money.

    Also, because of Raven, SIA, JPL, Karen in GA, SiubhanDuinne (“Oh hai”), and others I have (shamefully) forgotten. Thass why.

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    JPL says:

    @Corner Stone: You’d miss our peaches. What’s so hypocritical about GA is the amount of regulations the major cities and burbs have.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Ash Can:

    And isn’t that what terrorism’s all about?

    You mean like not knowing if when you go to the local bakery, or your cousin’s wedding, whether you will be killed or not?

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    JPL says:

    I did read a comment on the AJC today in reference to the Aaron Hernandez, Mr. July pose in the University of FL calendar. The jest was he wasn’t like a murderer like Pistorius cuz Hernandez was a gang murderer. This was in the comments on the AJC. Sometimes it is difficult to figure out what the hell are they thinking.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    They need a secret handshake or something.

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    andy says:

    Two emotionally fragile gunklowns run into each other out in the world- what could possibly go wrong?

    Turns out there’s no Brotherhood of the Gun™, where you just know who the bad guys are. Welcome to Dipshitistan, USofA!

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    AndoChronic says:

    Disorderly conduct? That’s it? I’ve been charged with worse while sleep walking.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @andy:

    Two emotionally fragile gunklowns run into each other out in the world- what could possibly go wrong?

    The one who drew his weapon was 62. I say, for the interest of society, we lock up all white males over 60. And take away their voter registration cards. Nothing good ever comes from those racist geezers.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @AndoChronic:

    I’ve been charged with worse while sleep walking.

    Public nudity? Reading clips from Two Broke Girls out loud?

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    catbirdman says:

    @ Ash Can, my 5-year-old was in a large, city-wide, end-of-school-year program in Long Beach earlier this month, and I couldn’t stop myself from repeatedly scanning the crowd for the gun nut intent on taking out a gaggle of innocent kids and getting on the news. It sincerely compromised my ability to fully enjoy a group of singing and dancing preschoolers. And I swear I’m a relatively normal person! The gun terrorism is already real, even in liberal California, and it’s only going to get worse, everywhere. Because freedumb.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Jeh Johnson is a weasel.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: Hey, that’s a pretty broad brush you’re painting with there. I think you just included about a third of the people who comment on balloon juice.

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    Drunken hausfrau says:

    Turbocharged Darwinism. Let them all go at it against each other.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: Protecting the commonweal sometimes calls for bold measures.
    But I’m not worried too much about how it would effect a chunk of BJ commenters. They are essentially paranoid shut-ins anyway.

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    JPL says:

    @Drunken hausfrau: Personally I don’t wan to be caught in the crossfire.

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    catclub says:

    I had always thought that you did not need a license for non-concealed carry. I also thought therefore that you did not need a license to own a gun. Now I am confooz.

    No need for license because that would mean that the gubmint has a list of gunowners to round up, which they would do sure as shootin’ (pun intended).

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: wow. that’s enough of this conversation for me.

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    raven says:

    @Corner Stone: Come and get me.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I say, for the interest of society, we lock up all white males over 60. And take away their voter registration cards.

    Hey, sonny boy! I was voting for liberals before you wuz borned. I’ll smack you upside the head with my cane.

    If I can find it.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl:

    a blog audience that is largely elderly white shut-ins with four or more animals living vicariously through a a near-recluse hillbilly in West Virginia.

    Someone is not aware of all BJ interwebs traditions.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @raven: No problem. I’ll just wait til the next time you’re re-landscaping your backyard.
    Don’t have those Golden Oldies up too loud in the ear buds!

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    raven says:

    @Corner Stone: I’m hoping to get some bluetooth hearing aids from the VA!

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    WaterGirl says:

    Hey, for everyone out there who hates the MSNBC website as much as I do…

    They FINALLY have the RSS feed working properly so you can get just Steve Benen posts. My RSS reader takes me directly to the article, so there’s none of this having to click again to read more than part of the article. At last!

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    But…but …Paul Broun sez gun rights came from God, and the police can stand against the Almighty now can they?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: I guess I missed that one!

    I take back all the bad things I wanted to say, but didn’t.

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    Brian R. says:

    Fourth of July weekend coming up. Lots of drinking, lots of beer runs.

    There will be at least one fatality in Georgia from this stupid law before the weekend’s over. Probably more. Book it.

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    raven says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Wait till you see the moron that will probably replace him here.

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    Pogonip says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Speak for yourself!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: It’s not just me!
    Steeplejack

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I take back all the bad things I wanted to say, but didn’t.

    You should have done. As I, for one, think you smell funny.

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    Baud says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Even God wouldn’t dare ask a Georgia man if he has a gun permit.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    Seems to me this here Second Amendment has a serious problem with folks who have been prescribed FDA-approved medications for all sorts of maladies-ya think Big Pharma wants to be on the hook when Gus goes gonzo with his Glock?

    Fuck, The FAA proscribes a huge list of drugs pilots can’t take, you’d think we’d do the same for folks who carry firearms, considering they can cause the same kind of carnage….

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: An interesting theological dilemma.
    Can God make a right to carry that He can’t check?

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @some guy:

    Football and gun crazy there. Very scary rednecks.

    And nearly Florida, so you have the combo of Georgia crazy and Florida Man.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: At least I know you don’t have a webcam in my house. Just got out of the shower a few minutes ago, and my hair is still wet. If you’d written that yesterday while I was gardening, I might have gotten a bit nervous.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    The FAA proscribes a huge list of drugs pilots can’t take, you’d think we’d do the same for folks who carry firearms, considering they can cause the same kind of carnage

    Um, no.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: I’ve never cared for gardenia scented conditioner…whoops.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @JPL:

    This was in the comments on the AJC.

    “Never read the comments” applies double to the AJC. Actually, just never read the AJC.

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    Mike in NC says:

    The fucking gun nuts are absolutely convinced that some situation would arise were they’d be able to channel Batman or somebody to bring down a whole bunch of bad guys if only they could carry their weapons anywhere and everywhere. Most recently some crackpot claimed this would have prevented the 9/11 terrorist attacks if only guns were allowed on airplanes.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Fuck, The FAA proscribes a huge list of drugs pilots can’t take, you’d think we’d do the same for folks who carry firearms, considering they can cause the same kind of carnage….

    Ye Olde Seconde Amendmente, Parte ye Seconde: A well-regulated airspace being necessary to the travel of a free State, the right of the people to to fly aircraft without a license, and crash randomly into buildings and mountains, shall not be infringed.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: Sorry, can’t do floral scents; I’m a peppermint or fruit girl. But you were oh so close.

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    Pogonip says:

    I’m so old I remember when a “gun nut” was a friendly man who liked to hunt and to blather on about foot-pounds and other gun stuff (Patrick McManus wrote a great essay about a guy like this). A gun nut was not actually nuts. Are there more crazy people these days or are the same number of crazy people more visible than before?

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    srv says:

    There has to be a niche for companies to go Target and say “We provide a gun free zone” and then let the gun nuts go to free fire zones and take each other out.

    There’s some logical argument flaw there, John.

    Target is a free fire zone because no Real ‘Muricans are there with their guns to stop a mass murderer.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Pogonip: I’ll have to go with door #1. It’s the mob mentality thing and it’s getting pretty ugly.

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    Baud says:

    @srv:

    Target is a free fire zone because no Real ‘Muricans are there with their guns to stop a mass murderer.

    Or the theft of credit card numbers.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Anyone get Esquire Network on their cable lineup? They are doing a Best Bars in America episode in Austin, TX there right now.

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    NotMax says:

    @Corner Stone

    Corner of Narrow-minded Alley and Insulting Place.

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    Petorado says:

    Well I’d be glad to see that it came down to a gun nut seeing another gun nut in a store and considering the other person’s open carry threatening enough to confront them, but it was probably just two ammosexuals duking it out for alpha male supremacy over neutral turf.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Corner Stone:
    As a 66 year old flaming liberal I cordially hope that you fuck yourself with a post hole digger.

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    srv says:

    @efgoldman: Depends on where and what you are flying. Sports licenses don’t require medicals now.

    If we get lucky, this will be extended to private pilots within a certain class of larger aircraft (the vast majority of pilots).

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    Corner Stone says:

    @NotMax: I volunteer to come to HI and take you into custody myself. I’ll expect you to go peacefully, please. Should take me about 10 or so years to track you down while I’m out there.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: I’m not coming for you, old timer. I like all the cool garden shit you build.
    Besides, I get the feeling Mary G would be too tough a nut for me to crack to get at you.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Baud: Hee.

    I can’t imagine taking a gun into Target of all places. The only stores girlier than Target are Ulta, Sephora, and Bath and Body Works.

    My very large and hairy son once accompanied me into B & BW. Everybody stopped what she was doing to look. It was like an E. F. Hutton commercial.

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    KS in MA says:

    @Violet:

    And that’s yet another state I won’t be visiting anytime soon. Kind of a problem, but I guess I’ll try to cope.

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    RareSanity says:

    *begin rant*

    All of you that are using these two idiots in the sticks of south Georgia, to try and paint a picture of the whole of the state, can kiss my ass.

    This shit didn’t happen in the middle of downtown Atlanta. Or did all of you forget that the 9th largest metropolitan area in the country…the one that’s turning the state purple, on it’s way to blue, BTW…is also located in Georgia?

    Stupid shit always happens in rural areas, with old idiots that have too much time on their hands and no activities to fill it with.

    Nutpick much?

    I mean damn…people in the Atlanta Metro area have been fighting for Democratic ideals, including civil rights for quite some time now, including the constant fight against the stupid in the entire rest of the state.

    But fuck us right? We should just secede and join the rest of the rednecks and be happy.

    *end rant*

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    trollhattan says:

    @RareSanity:
    And yet your legislature passed and governor signed the law.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @RareSanity:

    with old idiots that have too much time on their hands and no activities to fill it with.

    Damn. Sounds like you have some anger issues directed against People of Age.
    I don’t think that’s too cool, friend.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Roger Moore: I kinda just hope the rest of us get to sit back and watch as they all fuckin’ take each other out.

    But it never works out that way.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @RareSanity:

    This shit didn’t happen in the middle of downtown Atlanta.

    But it was the state reps in exurban metro Atlanta, elected by the population of exurban metro Atlanta who believe that Those People are coming after their lawn tractors, who helped pass the Bring Your Gun To Everything laws. It wasn’t just the legislators from Albany and Valdosta and Macon who voted for it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @boatboy_srq:

    I can’t decide if GA is trying to reenact The Good, The Bad and The Ugly or Westworld..

    A show with everything but Yul Brenner.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @trollhattan: Located in Atlanta, I might add….

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @srv: Snd some states already prevent those who have been locked up in the loony bin from getting their hands on firearms-seems to me a medical background check is waranted-and since its already on the books, should be the focal point.

    It’s time that the word abridged does not = ‘free for all’.

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    RareSanity says:

    @trollhattan:

    Let?

    The rest of the state covers a larger land area than the Atlanta Metro, meaning there are more members in the legislature from these rural areas, than the metro area…and they’ve taken full advantage of it, with a good bit of gerrymandering after the last few census.

    Last I checked, a majority of the state legislatures in this country are controlled by Republicans for much the same reason.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @efgoldman:

    Ye Olde Seconde Amendmente, Parte ye Seconde: A well-regulated airspace being necessary to the travel of a free State, the right of the people to to fly aircraft without a license, and crash randomly into buildings and mountains, shall not be infringed.

    This is good news for John McCain.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    A show with everything but Yul Brenner.

    I get my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mike in NC: Most of these guys get all their ideas about gun play from Hollywood.

    It is to laugh.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Corner Stone: I just heard my 67 year old husband cock the 12-gauge.

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    RareSanity says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    They did play a part in it, and it was all fast tracked because of the massive demographic shifts that are happening in those same areas. The number of Latinos, Asians, and Indians (from India) and Persians are growing quickly in those areas.

    What do you think is driving the state to purple? It’s not the City of Atlanta, that’s been blue for a very, very long time.

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    NotMax says:

    @Corner Stone

    Shall be vigilant. But you shouldn’t be difficult to spot, what with being surrounded and tormented by the ghosts of William O. Douglas, George McGovern, I. F. Stone, and a like-minded cast of thousands.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Corner Stone: oh. Ok.
    *shouting over my shoulder*
    Dave, put that thing down!

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    RareSanity says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Nah, it’s just that the younger ones are probably somewhere drinking or smoking weed. Not walking into convenience stores, in the middle of the afternoon, with pistols on their hip…trying to prove a point about FREEDOM!

    The younger ones tend NOT to want to draw that kind of attention to themselves, because they’ve probably got some other shit going on (drinking underage, weed in their pocket)…the older ones, not so much.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @RareSanity:

    What do you think is driving the state to purple? It’s not the City of Atlanta, that’s been blue for a very, very long time.

    The City of Atlanta has a population of under half a million in a state of ten million. Click around this map and you’ll see lots of GOPbaggers in Roswell and Marietta and Smyrna, and I know that they don’t count from your perspective, but they’re voting for Gunz Everywhere, A Shorter Drive To The Braves, And Marta Nowhere Near Me.

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    2liberal says:

    Why is the Deliverator so equipped? [with samurai swords] Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this county has one of the worst economies in the world.

    -Neal Stephenson in “Snow Crash”

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Brian R.: I live just outside Seattle and I will swear that one of the neighbors has a howitzer. He’s been practicing this week.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @RareSanity:

    The younger ones tend NOT to want to draw that kind of attention to themselves, because they’ve probably got some other shit going on (drinking underage, weed in their pocket)…the older ones, not so much.

    Sounds like even more reason to encourage that POS state to secede.
    See ya!

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    RareSanity says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    Yes, they are.

    But that does not change the fact that they are still going to be outnumbered if the demographics keep up their current trends.

    Again, major shifts like this don’t happen overnight.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @2liberal: What the hell is a “roll model” ?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @NotMax: Plus, I’m very handsome.

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    NotMax says:

    @2liberal

    “roll model”

    Sheesh. Jelly or Kaiser?

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    RareSanity says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Yeah, because only young people in rural parts of southern states underage drink and smoke weed.

    Fuck off…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @opiejeanne: Please tell him to put that thing down. Doesn’t he know he’s 5X more likely to kill someone he knows than nail an extremely handsome stranger, such as myself?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @RareSanity: Sorry, just going by your assertions here.
    I, for one, have no way to verify your claims that the underage youth in GA is a drunken, weed besotted population.

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    RareSanity says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Alright…I’ve missed the sarcasm dripping from your comments.

    I had an older brother, I’m usually more aware of these things.

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    2liberal says:

    @NotMax:

    roll model”Sheesh. Jelly or Kaiser?

    that is not an error, it is a pun. The Deliverator is a pizza delivery man (for the Mafia), and he “rolls” thru his work day.

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    trollhattan says:

    @RareSanity:
    Not “let”, yet.

    We went from Ahnold and a gelded Democrats Leg. to Jerry III and the Dem super majority. Highly recommended. No dumbass gun laws.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Corner Stone: it’s my great grandfather’s Winchester. I didn’t tell him it’s not loaded.

    Cocking it does make a shiver go down the spine.

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    kc says:

    So therefore, how do you know who should have a gun and who shouldn’t?

    Shoot’em all. Let God sort them out.

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    NotMax says:

    @2liberal

    Paronomasia is a delicate flower, requiring much attention, particularly to context. Grows best on a raised bed of rubber chickens.

    Have had Snow Crash thrust upon me at least three times by friends. Could never make it past the first dozen pages or so. The writing is abhorrently pedestrian.

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    2liberal says:

    @NotMax:

    Have had Snow Crash thrust upon me at least three times by friends. Could never make it past the first dozen pages or so. The writing is abhorrently pedestrian.

    it is my favorite book of all time, shared with Mcphee’s “annals of the former world”

    It did sell a lot of copies and got good reviews.

    that particular passage is in the first dozen pages.

    Anyway I was just struck by the events in that store with those two idiots, and remembered that passage, and thought I would share.

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    amk says:

    “I can say no cellphones, but apparently I can’t say no guns,” – University of Idaho physics professor Francesca Sammarruca.

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    LT says:

    Southern states always learn the hard way, that is, when they learn at all. My guess has it that enough sensible people of the planet earth will avoid having anything to do with those yahoos to inflict egregious harm on their various state economies. Ultimately, southern voters will be forced to either change their backward ways, or consign themselves to living in a backwater of their own making.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I’m not sure I see the point of requiring gun permits that no authority may inspect. Unless it’s supposed to be a step on the road to not requiring permits at all.

    Damn. I just answered my own question, didn’t I?

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    Glocksman says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    According to the Georgia Open Carry website on HB60.

    A person carrying a weapon shall not be subject to detention for the sole purpose of investigating whether such person has a weapons carry license.

    A reasonable reading of this does prohibit them from stopping you just because you’re packing.
    On the other hand, inventive cops can always find a pretext to stop you and then ask for your permit during the course of their ‘investigation’ of the pretext.

    LIke, say a traffic stop.

    IMHO, this law is idiotic on its face.
    I’m pro-gun in general but I also realize that with my rights come responsibilities, not the least of which is to carry the gun in a safe manner (quality holster and concealed) and not be a total dick to my fellow citizens by walking around openly with a gun outside either the hunting fields or a shooting range acting as if I were Billy Badass.

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    J R in WV says:

    Georgia is where my best friend (now retired law enforcement officer) was asked in a Methodist Church “How do you keep them Nigras out of your church back home?” He was stunned, just stunned, that someone would think this was a OK topic of conversation in a CHURCH!!!

    It was about 25 years ago, so 1989 !?!, a church member attending some kind of pre-wedding function, like the rehersal. We were like “Where have we fallen into a time warp? Can we find a way to get back?”

    I like to shoot, Grandma taught me. Then the military took their turn! Grandma taught my wife too – Long time ago! But these folk are crazy scary!

    So nothing in Georgia could surprise me,,, I thought. But not being able to ask to see a carry permit? Surprised, color me!

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    PIGL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Nope. What we deserve is an assay for “high probability of growing to be an asshole, authoritarian or psychopath” applied rigorously at or before birth, with those that fail being culled. I don’t even care if the false positive rate is high, as long as the false negative rate is low. We can’t any longer afford to have these people alive and voting, reproducing their venom, spreading ruination and despair.

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    PIGL says:

    @LT: they are already living in backwaters of their own making. Out of spite and repressed self-loathing, they simply can’t abide that any non-backwaters exist anywhere else ever. They deserve only admiration, praise, slavish emulation, and the eternal love of their heavenly Father among whose elect they belong. Either that, or the call of cthulhu.

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    brantl says:

    Two Barnie Fyfe’s blow each other away, and a third guy, sounding like Gomer Pyle, run’s up waving his gun in the air, yelling, “Citizen’s arrest! Citizen’s arrest!”, gets blown away by a third Barney Fyfe, rinse and repeat……

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    wuzzat says:

    @brantl:

    That’s why Barney had to keep his bullet in his pocket.

    Even the citizens of Mayberry knew better than to just let any old crazy run around with a loaded gun.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    get all the gun nuts in one place, make sure there are no bystanders, and toss a string of firecrackers into their midst. problem solved.

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    shortstop says:

    @Violet: celticdragonchick assures us there is a good guy and a bad guy in this scenario. She didn’t say which she thought was which.

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    Bugboy says:

    “You can’t! America, fuck yeah! Maybe they’ll just start taking each other out.”

    I have had the pleasure of observing a died-in-the-wool conservative as a lab mate co-worker for nearly 10 years, and I really have to feel that if these folks were really honest with themselves, they would admit that they really, really see the solution to society’s ills as being the ability to knock off those who disagree with them, a.k.a., “Nuke ‘Em All(tm)”, a.a.k.a., “Kill ‘Em All And Let God Sort Them Out(tm)”.

    There’s some real honest-to-goodness Christian worldview for you.

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    Glocksman says:

    @J R in WV:

    The ‘reasoning’ behind the law probably has something to do with fears of police harassing ‘law abiding citizens’.
    The problem I see with this reasoning is that at least the local cops here in Hoosierstan are just as much pro-carry as the citizenry they serve.

    I’ve never been harassed by the police the few times I chose to exercise my licence to carry a handgun.
    The one time I was carrying when I was stopped, all they did was ask to see the permit and my driver’s license (Indiana permits don’t serve as a picture ID) during a legit traffic stop because I was doing 55 mph in a 40 zone.

    What surprised me was that the cop didn’t even ask me to surrender the gun for the duration of the stop.

    Of course I’m white and was deferential to the cop.
    A black or brown man might have had a slightly different response, especially if they weren’t deferential to the police.

    My mother worked in a ER for 30 years and told me that if the cops ever wanted to haul me in to never resist arrest.
    Somehow I don’t believe that the Georgia law is a response to racial discrimination.

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    Sondra says:

    @Violet:
    Ha! Good one. I can guess that the women will be doing it soon if they don’t already. They wouldn’t want to be out machoed by their men folk.

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