Let’s Keep This Clusterfuck Going

I love stuff like this when it happens to Republicans:

The Tea Party-backed candidate who has refused to concede defeat to Republican U.S. Senator Thad Cochran in Mississippi’s primary runoff said his campaign has found more than 1,000 instances of ballots cast by people who were ineligible to vote.

Chris McDaniel said his supporters continue to look for evidence of voters who participated in the state’s Democratic primary on June 3 and then voted in the Republican runoff primary on Tuesday, which would not be permitted by Mississippi law.

“We’ve already found more than 1,000 examples of that in one county alone,” McDaniel said in an interview Thursday night on Fox News’ Hannity show. “We’re talking about widespread irregularities, ineligible voters that should not have been there in the first place.”

In a bitterly fought contest, Cochran edged McDaniel by fewer than 7,000 votes out of more than 370,000 cast – a dramatic increase over the 313,000 votes cast in the earlier primary election.

McDaniel has not announced an official challenge to the results. His spokesman, Noel Fritsch, said on Friday that about half of the state’s circuit clerks had not supplied the election data requested by the campaign.

“Despite this lack of cooperation, our preliminary findings certainly indicate that a thorough examination is warranted, after which we will make a determination about legal recourse,” Fritsch said in an email.

I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

163 replies
  1. 1
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    They are one and the same to these mouth breathers.

  2. 2
    Bobby B. says:

    When it comes to Mississippi, I take a Middle East approach: stand back and let them slaughter each other…at the polls! Ha Ha!

  3. 3
    craigie says:

    Yay! Keep it up. Maybe I should send some money to McSoreLoser

  4. 4
    Baud says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hates Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    Sadly, our side owns the patent on that strategy. But this is a welcome development nonetheless.

  5. 5
    Alex S. says:

    The McDaniel campaign – the new “Lost Cause”.

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    dubo says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hates Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    The firebaggers hate Democrats more than they hate conservatives, so this is a pretty sure bet

    (fucking splitters!)

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    dubo says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hates Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    The firebaggers hate Democrats more than they hate conservatives, so this is a pretty sure bet

    (fucking splitters!)

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    Anya says:

    What are the chances that these are voters who share the same names. I can’t imagine anyone risking legal troubles just to get a republican elected.

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    RSR says:

    Let me know when they’re rallying outside election/recount headquarters.

  10. 10
    Phantom 309 says:

    The two knuckleheads should decide the winner with a good old-fashioned duel at dawn! With no seconds.

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    Penus says:

    That can’t be. No conservative would invite voter fraud.

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    Elizabelle says:

    McDaniel attacked his opponent’s strategy for attracting Democratic voters.

    “They were pushed there by an overt action, an aggressive action on the part of Senator Cochran’s campaign that was filled with race-baiting, lies, distortions,” McDaniel said in the television interview.

    “He literally ran the latter three weeks on food stamps,” McDaniel added. “He ran on voter suppression, and he ran on pork.”

    That’s out of the candidate’s own mouth.

    What an awful, awful man. And what awful, awful people who voted for him.

  13. 13
    Scott S. says:

    I figure it’s a solid guarantee that “people who were ineligible to vote” = black people. I’m sure John Roberts would agree!

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    Violet says:

    Had NPR on in the car on Wednesday. They were covering the results from this election and interviewed some woman who was a McDaniel’s supporter. Found a transcript of it:

    ELLIOTT: There’s no word today, whether McDaniel plans to formally challenge the results. For his supporters, like Catherine “Cat” Tucker of Hillsdale, Mississippi, the defeat is a major blow.

    CATHERINE TUCKER: In my mind, it was a last effort for us to try to save this country. I’m that passionate about it. If Mississippi can’t elect a conservative, constitutional, God-fearing man to our Senate – if we can’t do that, my question then is can it be done?

    Yes, the country is done for. It can’t be saved. And Thad Cochran is not a conservative, constitutional, God-fearing man. Let’s help them remember that.

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    Morzer says:

    @Elizabelle:

    “He literally ran the latter three weeks on food stamps,” McDaniel added. “He ran on voter suppression, and he ran on pork.”

    McDaniel seems not to know the meaning of literally, food stamps, or voter suppression. Impressive, in a negative sort of way.

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    Morzer says:

    @Violet:

    Why is it that every teabagger effort is “the last one”?

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    Just how fucking stupid does a Mississippi Republican have to be before people won’t elect him?

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    BGinCHI says:

    Does anyone believe the lying sack of shit McDaniel campaign?

    Show us some proof, dirtbag.

    Or, please proceed, Civil War Enthusiasts.

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    Violet says:

    @Morzer: Did you see the Teabagger event the other day called “America’s Last Stand”?

    SEVIERVILLE (WATE) – An event featuring a former vice presidential candidate like Sarah Palin and other well known politicians wrapped up in Sevierville around 11 p.m. They were speaking for a series called America’s Last Stand.

    This one was in Tennessee.

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    Baud says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Nope. My first thought was that he’s lying.

  21. 21
    Zam says:

    @BGinCHI: What more proof do you need than black people showing up?

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    Baud says:

    @Zam:

    Ipso facto.

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    gbear says:

    This will be like the Brooks Brother’s rebellion, except that the protestors won’t be wearing shoes.

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    Debbie says:

    @Violet:
    I heard the NPR interview and my first thought was that Ted Cruz must be breathing easier after this loss.

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    JDM says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    The “stabbed in the back” narrative is a classic cause it works.

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    gene108 says:

    @Violet:

    it was a last effort for us to try to save this country.

    Save us from what you dingle berry?

    Really, I’d love it if these morons could be more articulate and explain what exactly they are saving us from.

    Bunch of paranoid loons.

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    Patrick says:

    @Violet:

    In my mind, it was a last effort for us to try to save this country.

    I wonder which planet these people live on. When Obama took over, our economy was at a free-fall, the idiotic war on Iraq was at full force. Since then our economy has finally stabilized and the stupid, stupid Iraq war is finally coming to an end. Not sure what the hell she is griping about.

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    Ruckus says:

    @gene108:
    I’m not sure you really want to know. I’m pretty sure whatever it is, we never wanted it in the first place.

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    BobS says:

    @dubo: yeah, “firebaggers” are the haters.

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    ruemara says:

    oh no, sweetie. This is Mordor love. The hate for each other only continues as long as a liberal isn’t in eye sight.

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    Susanne says:

    I wonder what made them ineligible to vote. I bet it was their Democratic registration.

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    gbear says:

    @Violet:

    An event featuring a former vice presidential candidate like Sarah Palin

    What the hell is that supposed to mean? Who was it that was ‘like’ Sarah Palin?

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    danielx says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahadists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    Of course. It’s a given that libs are limbs of Satan, but RINOs are enablers and hence even more dangerous, the enemy that bores from within. These insect enemies of the dialectic must be eradicated. Encouraging Those People to vote for any reasons whatsoever is proof absolute, as if any more was or is needed.

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    gene108 says:

    @Ruckus:

    I want to know, because most of it is the product of irrational disturbed thinking.

    I’ve had some of it explained to me.

    For example, you have never gotten a job from a poor person and have only gotten jobs from (relatively) rich people. Therefore we must be highly deferential, in our public policy, to the wealthy or we will not get jobs anymore.

    To think the rich could just get everything they need done in life, without anyone else in the world has been discredited since the era of King Midas. Yet wing-nuts really do believe in all powerful benevolent “job creators”, who will withhold their blessings jobs from us, if we anger them.

    I’m sure there’s more irrational nonsense floating around in their heads.

    I know I cannot persuade them otherwise, but at least I’d like to know what I’m doing, as a liberal, to destroy the world.

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    Baud says:

    @Susanne:

    As I understand it, the theory is a legit one. Apparently, if a voter voted in the Democratic primary in the first round, they were ineligible to vote in the Republican runoff.

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    Violet says:

    @gene108: Save us from black and brown people running things. It’s pretty clear what the nice white lady means.

    @Patrick: They live on planet White People Don’t Get Free Passes Forever. It’s terrifying.

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    MikeJ says:

    @gene108:

    Really, I’d love it if these morons could be more articulate and explain what exactly they are saving us from.

    Focus on the Family tried to tell us. They helpfully predicted what America would be like in 2012 if the dusky usurper won in 2008:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/l.....again.html

  38. 38
    Morzer says:

    @ruemara:

    “Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Morzer:

    The derision for black and poor citizens, and the sweeping dismissal of Mississippi’s racial and social history.

    It is jaw dropping.

    Not a dog whistle, when even a deaf soul can hear it.

    Makes you think the Germans got it right when they had to own up to a populace that supported Nazis and the holocaust. Not everybody, but enough.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @BobS:

    Oh no, the Obotmized Obots who mindlessly worship and/or fantasize about getting raped by their Dear Leader are being rude to us again!

    How wude!

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    BGinCHI says:

    Gonna be so great if Childers comes out of nowhere and wins the general.

    He needs Morgan Freeman on the stump.

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    Violet says:

    @gbear: Awww…don’t beat up on the overworked local reporter. Editing mistake.

    Edit: Here’s a later paragraph:

    6 News could only take pictures inside where well known politicians like former Senator Rick Santorum and former Governor Sarah Palin spoke to dozens. Other speakers included Fox News personality Judge Jeanie Pirro and Col. Allen West.

    I suspect two names were supposed to be in that first paragraph you were referencing somehow one got cut.

  43. 43
    Morzer says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I think the only thing that’s preventing the GOP from exploding with a lily-white mushroom clouds above their remains is hatred of the fantasies in their heads. That’s all they’ve got these days – faked-up, fact-free, rabid hatred.

  44. 44
    BobS says:

    @Chyron HR: You at least seem to have some self-awareness that dubo lacks.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Morzer:
    Well, shit, they can’t blame themselves for voting against their own best interests for decades, can they? As long as they’re conned into voting for what they call social issues they’ll continue to be the pivot man in the economic circle jerk. It’s worked for nearly five decades.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @gene108: are these people accustomed to getting jobs as valets, footmen, and scullery maids? Because last I checked most people worked for businesses, nonprofits, and government agencies, not wealthy individuals or “family businesses”.

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    smith says:

    Re keeping the clusterfuck going, apparently the MS Dems are doing their part. According to a diary at GOS, this is what the MS Dem chairman had to say:

    Statewide, state Democratic Chairman Rickey Cole told Breitbart News, “It is very conceivable–it is highly conceivable” that McDaniel and his team “will find a number of irregularities that will reach 6,700 or greater.”

    We could have runoffs for the runoffs until November.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Violet: black people, brown people, queers, treehuggers, and assorted bleeding-hearts and busybodies with no common sense. That’s the coalition!

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: true, but I was under the impression that the local election admins had the voting lists from the previous go-around and were supposed to filter out people who had voted in the D primary.

    Now, it wouldn’t shock me to learn that a few people did end up voting in the D primary and the R runoff, but several thousand seems unlikely.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    “We’re talking about widespread irregularities, ineligible black voters that should not have been there in the first place.”

    Translated from teatard.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    The Teahdists are brought up on right wing media which is about shock and anger, so they want a screaming match and the Republicans are the only ones who are left in the room with them. Considering Cochran won by appealing to Democrats the Republicans maybe leaving too.

    Today it’s the GOP civil war, tomorrow it will be the Tea Party civil war.

  52. 52
    Baud says:

    @dmsilev:

    Yep. Like I said earlier, I’m confident that McDaniels is lying.

  53. 53
    Kay says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Does anyone believe the lying sack of shit McDaniel campaign?

    No:

    Hinds County Republican Party chairman Pete Perry said Friday morning that examples of voter fraud cited by the tea party and Chris McDaniel’s campaign are simple clerical errors that were fixed.
    Since Tuesday’s runoff, Hinds County has been the epicenter of voter fraud allegations leveled by McDaniel and his supporters. Thursday night, McDaniel himself told a national television show that a review of some of the poll books from Hinds County turned up more than 1,000 instances where Democrats had voted in that party’s primary June 3 and illegally crossed over to vote in the GOP runoff Tuesday.
    Poll workers were trained extensively to prevent such crossover voting, Perry said. Hinds County’s Republican and Democratic parties switched poll books so poll workers could cross-reference voters to ensure they did not vote in the Democratic primary June 3 before giving them GOP ballots Tuesday.
    “Instead of making wild accusations, which stir up social media with cries of fraud and corruption, it would be much better for all involved — the voters, the candidates, the 500 poll workers in Hinds County — if we let facts enter into the conversation,” Perry said. “I’m sure there were mistakes made by poll workers, but that’s not illegal voting.”

    So, so funny. Republicans are wondering where all these wild accusations came from. Now they want “facts”.

  54. 54
    Morzer says:

    @dmsilev:

    Ah, but remember that for the teabaggers all this is just proof of the devious cunning of the demonic Kenyan socialist Muslim usurper and his minions, who covered their tracks just like they did in BENGHAZI!!!

  55. 55
    Bubblegum Tate says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    They are one and the same to these mouth breathers.

    Yup. And what those mouth-breathers REALLY hate is black people voting.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Patrick:

    Not sure what the hell she is griping about.

    She’s griping that the economy is no longer in free fall and that the war in Iraq is coming to an end.

    Oh, and that a ni*CLANG* is in the Oval Office. Almost forgot that one.

  57. 57
    🌷 Martin says:

    This is why primaries should be eliminated. Just let everyone eligible run in the general, and do the runoff there.

  58. 58
    Morzer says:

    @🌷 Martin:

    “In order to distinguish between the 37 Jefferson Davises running on the Tea Party ticket, Mississippi has decided to assign them numbers drawn by lot…..”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Oh this is interesting – apparently the 1% sunk 5.1 million into McDaniel and yet again have nothing to show for their attempt to buy an election. I bet McDaneil has been getting non-stop phone calls from the donars who are fed up with the lack of return on their money and demanding McDainel gets their election back.

    Washington Post article

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    Kay says:

    And it could get uglier. Because Mississippi has a new voter suppression law, they have lots of “affidavit ballots” where voters have to come back in and show ID.

    The way the process works, the counties will have to certify their votes after counting affidavit ballots. As I understand it, voter ID has made this process take a week longer, because voters who did not have an ID now have a week to come in and show and ID to get their vote to count. So next week, there will be a committee meeting in each county where the candidates can have representatives and challenge the affidavit ballots.

    http://nmisscommentor.com/rand.....-his-goal/

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @gene108: There are a lot of 21st century heads out there stuffed full of the Weltanschauung of a 13th c. Burgundian peasant.

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    gene108 says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    businesses, nonprofits, and government agencies, not wealthy individuals or “family businesses”.

    CEO’s are rich and if they weren’t rich, they would not hire people into their companies. You think Tim Cook would hire some new kid to work at Apple, fresh out of college, if Tim Cook was not individually wealthy?

    Shows how little liberals know about how the world works.

    And yes, I have had discussions along these lines with folks trying to explain to them the difference between corporations and individual business owners and why a business would hire someone versus why and individual would hire someone to get work done.

    They have been told – for a long time – by people they trust, at their churches, on the radio, etc. that the rich are some sort of alien race that bestows benefits on the rest of us. I have heard folks state that government exists because the business owners decided they needed a way order things and not because things need to be ordered, in order for someone to start a business.

  63. 63
    Davis X. Machina says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Wait a generation.

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    Baud says:

    @gene108:

    They have been told – for a long time – by people they trust, at their churches, on the radio, etc. that the rich are some sort of alien race that bestows benefits on the rest of us.

    The legal term is “feudal lords.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Violet:
    @gbear:

    From the link (my emphasis):

    6 News could only take pictures inside where well known politicians like former Senator Rick Santorum and former Governor Sarah Palin spoke to dozens. Other speakers included Fox News personality Judge Jeanie Pirro and Col. Allen West.

    Dozens! Dozens, I tell ya! There’s just no stopping them with those kinds of numbers!

  66. 66
    p.a. says:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    ‘Mainline’ Republicans are blocking the TeaTards from the big business grift tit. TeaTards have their own money sources, but those folks split their donations between saving blastocysts, buying Dale Jr. memorabilia, and buying ammo. The big one-shot sources are Bogarted.

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    horace says:

    @Elizabelle: McDaniel never once said what he was going to do for Mississippians or Mississippi. All he said he was going to do was to grandstand with Ted Cruz. Mississippians didn’t buy it.

  68. 68
    Ruckus says:

    @gene108:
    Try using the argument that if rich people don’t have worker bees then they don’t make any more money. It isn’t that we wouldn’t have jobs, rich fuckers wouldn’t have more money. Workers are what make the rich, richer. Full stop. Without all of us…. That’s what makes unions work. That’s what makes strikes work and is why rich fuckers are so against both. An orderly, subservient workforce can be used and abused financially, of course making rich fuckers more money. But no workforce makes them no money.
    And if there were no workers then there wouldn’t even be a financial market to manipulate therefore depriving the rich of any profit. They need us for profit. Full stop. Unfortunately we need them to eat and have a roof over our heads.

  69. 69
    Morzer says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I reckon as how dozens is jes’ the way them there teabaggers spell “dachshunds”.

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    gbear says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Their appeal is becoming more selective.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Violet:

    it was a last effort for us to try to save this country.

    Jesus, Vishnu and Mohammed, teatards, get the fuck over yourselves.

  72. 72
    Baud says:

    @Citizen_X:

    Unfortunately, I don’t think it really will be their last effort.

  73. 73
    Morzer says:

    @gbear:

    Nothing stands between them and victory except defeat!

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    NotMax says:

    @Siubhan Duinne

    That list sounds like the very definition of a zombie-repellent zone.

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    catclub says:

    I want to put up signs: “Keep Hope Alive – Write In McDaniel”

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    ruemara says:

    In the interest of both showing off my new set of office supplies & breaking into the nonstop parade of stupid that is TeaHadists, here’s a pair of kittens.

  77. 77
    Morzer says:

    @catclub:

    “Chris McDaniel – too liberal elitist to have sex with farm animals!”

  78. 78
    Baud says:

    @ruemara:

    Cute kittens. But I was really interested in seeing some more photos of your office supplies.

  79. 79
    Morzer says:

    @Baud:

    There really is nothing as thrilling as an HB pencil peeping coyly out its box.

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    danielx says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    Dude, there’s no bottom to that cesspool. It’s like asking how high is up.

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    tsquared2001 says:

    @Morzer: No kidding. Words – how the fuck do they work?

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    Baud says:

    @Morzer:

    Whoa, there. This is a family blog.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    Yup. And what those nanocephalic slack-jawed mouth-breathers REALLY hate is black people voting.

    Fix’d.

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    Baud says:

    @ruemara:

    The doorstop one is a great shot.

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    Ruckus says:

    @gene108:
    I see that you’ve already taken my advice. So other than asking the idiots why they like to support aliens with labor and not get a fair share of the loot, I got nothing.
    So I was right in the first place, you don’t want to know, not because it’s scary, but because it won’t make any difference to know. Teatards are nuts, idiots, stupid. IOW completely lost in the wilderness. They will have to die off naturally, reprogramming is not possible.

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    ruemara says:

    @Baud: Denver & Frodo are pros at working together. But their modeling contracts have a bitch of things to provide.

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    tsquared2001 says:

    @Citizen_X: Can’t keep ’em down on the farm unless it is a life and death, fight to the finish, apocalyptic fever dream. I take politics VERY seriously but these guys take it to the next level in a sad pathetic way.

    And by down on the farm, I mean take ’em for every thin dime they have.

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    Morzer says:

    @ruemara:

    So that’s how things are done in the sick and twisted world of cat-porn.

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    Ruckus says:

    @ruemara:
    Those are some cute roommates.

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    WereBear says:

    @ruemara: Aw. So glad you are getting enough kitten-fu!

    I am able to look at all the kitten pictures I like, currently, since I have one at home.

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    gbear says:

    @Baud: So I suppose I shouldn’t talk about my electric eraser here…
    I’ve got a tackle box filled with drafting supplies from my pre-computer days. I kind of miss drawing by hand but I don’t miss having eraser bits all over the floor.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Sounds like McDaniel is hoping to land a gig as Hannity’s backup host. He’s perfectly qualified as an angry, entitled right wing asshole.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Other speakers included Fox News personality Judge Jeanie Pirro and Col. Allen West.

    Referring to West by the rank he once held is a gross insult to those who served honorably, unlike West, who left for the good of the service a step ahead of a court martial (for an officer, that’s a dishonorable discharge).

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    They are all grifters, and in order to keep the grift going he has got to keep the “election” going so that his supporters keep donating money. I am only guessing but I expect his campaign is sending out e-mails as we speak asking his backers to donate more money so that they can ferret out these “illegal” voters, it won’t do a damn thing to help him win but it will inflate his coffers so that he can keep up his “candidate” lifestyle and paying his staffers princely sums. It’s all about the money.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yet he was able to keep his pension-had it been a real dishonorable discharge he’d lose it.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Well, they also still refer to/address Sarah Palin as “Governor,” despite her wandering off midway through the job.

    On the other hand, they rarely have the courtesy to refer to the current President by anything other than (at best) his last name alone, with no title or honorific — so that’s all right, O Best-Beloved, do you see?

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    ruemara says:

    @WereBear: Mithy! I’ve named the little black one Frodo since he has such huge feet and a small scrappy exterior. Obviously, he’s one of the Frodo Proudfeet, born in the 4th Age.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Yeah, I looked it up on Wkipedia…he was allowed to retire, much as Oliver North was after disgracing the uniform he once wore.

    So, he’s entitled to call himself LTC (ret) Allen West. But if he had so much as an ounce of shame or honor, he would not. He’s scum…like Oliver North.

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    WereBear says:

    @ruemara: I think Frodo is a marvelous cat name. Kiss on the head from Aunty WereBear!

    Easy to tell Tolkien loved the sound of words.

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    Morzer says:

    @Baud:

    I guess I better not mention that Steam is currently retailing a game that goes by the wild and hairy title Goat Simulator.

    Goat Simulator is the latest in goat simulation technology, bringing next-gen goat simulation to YOU. You no longer have to fantasize about being a goat, your dreams have finally come true!

    I bet they’ve had to bring in the titanium chains to hold Thad Cochran back.

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    Morzer says:

    @WereBear:

    Tolkien actually built the phonology of his Elven languages to sound appealing; largely on the basis of Finnish, I believe.

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    ruemara says:

    @Morzer: Yes. Kalevala was a huge influence. When I was a kid I used to study my elvish and dwarven and dreamed of being a fluent linguist like him.

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    Morzer says:

    @ruemara:

    Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: OT: I’ve been meaning to comment on your move to the Land of the Morning Calm. Mrs. BillinGlendaleCA is a Seoul girl so we’ve been back to the home country(and city) a few times, though most recently 15 years ago. You should be able to find American foods, but it won’t be at the corner food store. Areas of Seoul with a large ex-pat population will have markets that carry American brands, other market may have “bacon” but it may not taste the same as what we’d define as bacon. Another place that might work is Costco. If you have a Costco membership here, your card works just fine in the 4 locations in Seoul. Just some suggestions; enjoy a stroll along Hangang and eat some kimche drink some soju.

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    WereBear says:

    @Morzer: Yes, it was Finnish. Some of the mythology came from there, too, I believe.

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    NotMax says:

    @ruemara

    of being a fluent linguist like him.

    of becoming as fluent a linguist as he

    /Superpedant powers, activate! ;)

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    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I am actually going to try moving to a more Asian diet – lots of rice and vegetables, with tofu and occasionally chicken for protein. Madame Morzer says that bacon is obtainable, but not cheap, but it will probably be good for me to give it up entirely. I’ll pass the tip about Costco along to her with my gratitude to you for suggesting it.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @gene108: Churches that have forgotten what Jesus said about rich men and The Eye of the Needle comment? I think camels were involved.

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    Jim Faith says:

    @Morzer:

    I read your comment and flashed on the Jimmy Wah character in ‘Good Morning Vietnam’ – talking about the sensuous curve of the soldier’s boot/ankle or the pictures of Walter Brennan.

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    Morzer says:

    @WereBear:

    Yes. There’s some very Kalevala-esque spell singing in the Silmarillion and Turin Turambar bears a decent resemblance to at least one unhappy Finnish hero.

    I wonder whether Tolkien ever heard any Sibelius?

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    Morzer says:

    A rather fun essay on Tolkien and language(s) can be found here:

    http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/vice.htm

    Even when something had appeared in print, Tolkien could not always resist the temptation to keep tampering. In the first edition of LotR, Frodo’s greeting to Gildor was elen síla lúmenn’ omentielmo. Later Tolkien decided that the last word should have been omentielvo instead, and this form was used in later editions. (One of the pioneers in the study of Elvish, Dick Plotz, was shocked to see the new form. He thought the American publishers, Ballantine, had made a mistake and prevailed upon them to correct it. In the next edition the publishers – necessarily incompetent in these matters – introduced the form omentilmo, that means nothing at all: Even honest efforts can have sad consequences!)

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    Patrick says:

    @opiejeanne:

    It’s the same churches that seem to have forgotten that one of the commandments was “thou shalt not kill”…

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @opiejeanne:

    Churches that have forgotten what Jesus said about rich men and The Eye of the Needle comment? I think camels were involved.

    What do you think John Calivin and Martin Luther were about? Go ask a Lutheran or a Calvinist what that parable means and they will tell you it’s only about a gate in Jerusalem.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Maybe this is a damn dumb question, but doesn’t this mean that our votes are not private if some chucklehead can review our ballots and determine whether we voted illegally? I assume McDaniel is not fussing over voters who voted for him “illegally”. Could a politician review all ballots, note who did not vote for him/her, and make sure in ways petty or serious that they do not protect or even harm those who voted for someone else?

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    ruemara says:

    @NotMax: I will slap the red pen out of your hand so hard, your ancestors will be feeling the sting for 4 generations. /not giving a fuck about internet grammarian pendants.

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    NotMax says:

    @Morzer

    The melodious Song of Liu Lang in World of Warcaft is certainly a bit beholden to Tolkien. Only sung in-game on Sunday nights (and only twice during those nights) at a small festival held on a beach by some of the indigenous population of Pandaria.

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    Jay C says:

    @Morzer:

    I thought Tolkien also based his Elvish languages, in part, on Welsh – or the Celtic phonology in general.: he thought of them. IIRC, as a sort of analogue to the pre-English languages of Britain: superseded tongues spoken only at the fringes of “normal” realms, but still alive in some sense.

    Though I must say I was quite disappointed to head a recording once of Tolkien reciting one of his Elvish poems: maybe they would sound better from the music-voiced immortal Noldor, but when old JRR spoke it, it sounded oddly guttural and vaguely Slavic.

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    ruemara says:

    @Morzer: Best book I read was a very old one on the intersection of meaning and metaphysics in the languages of Middle Earth, but now that I have not seen it in 20 odd years or so, I can’t recall the title.

    @Jay C: That’s the thing, he used many languages as the bases for the MidEarth languages.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yep-Ollie North and Allen West are Grade A 100% scum.

    And to think our tax dollars paid their way.

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    Baud says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Who you voted for is secret. Your party registration and the fact that you voted is not. McDaniels is relying on probabilities here.

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    catclub says:

    @West of the Rockies: No, the vote is still private. He does not know who the person voted for. He just knows that any votes by people who voted in the Democratic primary SHOULD not be allowed. And the articles say on the one hand there was plenty of training to eliminate just this thing. I have no idea how good the screening actually was. If he finds 7000+ cases where democratic primary voters were permitted to vote wrongly, then he will have a serious case to doubt the result.

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    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    Liu Lang? As in “Flowing Wolf”* in Mandarin?

    * Or possibly Six Wolves etc etc…

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @West of the Rockies: He doesn’t have access to the actual ballots, just to the list of who voted in which primary. If someone voted in the D primary, they couldn’t legally vote in the R runoff.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @WereBear: How about Hrothgar for a Weegie?

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    Morzer says:

    @Jay C:

    I believe he built Sindarin on the basis of Welsh, but Quenya is based on Finnish – which is a very odd mix of languages. My impression, not having studied it in any depth, is that he got his phonology for Quenya from Finnish, but its morphology looks very Indo-European to me.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Thanks for the info, guys and gals! Yes, sounds like the cluster shall grow. The TP shall not be denied. Resistance is futile. The GOP will be assimilated. The circular firing squad is becoming a circle jerk.

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    efgoldman says:

    @smith:

    apparently the MS Dems are doing their part. According to a diary at GOS, this is what the MS Dem chairman had to say:

    Yeah, some world-class trolling by [a different] Cole. I posted the whole interview the other night. Clearly the Breitbart “reporter” had no idea s/he was being trolled ferociously.
    Wish our trolls were that clever.

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    Morzer says:

    @efgoldman:

    I understand that Somalia has offered to send peace-keeping forces to Mississippi.

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    WereBear says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Another great and noble name for a great and noble kitty!

    Mr WereBear loves names from Arthurian mythology (Sir Tristan, Princess Olwyn) but we can do pop culture too (James Bond, Reverend Jim.)

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @WereBear: Here’s my noble beast.

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    NotMax says:

    @Morzer

    The Pandaren culture, architecture, etc. as introduced in WoW’s last expansion has a decidedly Oriental bent, but also a near mania regarding beer and brewing.

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    WereBear says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Lovely sweet kitty. Mellow Persian?

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    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    I wonder if there might be a space for a class of micro-brewing samurai? I see a chance at global domination – Vorsprung durch Reinheitsgebot!

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    efgoldman says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Maybe this is a damn dumb question, but doesn’t this mean that our votes are not private if some chucklehead can review our ballots and determine whether we voted illegally?

    That’s not what they’re doing. In a primary, you choose a party’s ballot. That’s public knowledge. Who gets an “X” next to his/her name is the secret ballot part. They don’t review the ballots, they review the record of which ballot the voter took.
    Only applies to primaries, of course. General election ballots in a district are all the same. The fact that you showed up to vote is recorded, but the ballot itself is secret. The counting makes no reference to individuals.

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    David Koch says:

    Conservatism can not fail. It can only failed at the ballot box.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @WereBear: I adopted him at 3 years old and declawed. He’s way, WAY far from mellow-when you declaw a cat-they adapt to using their mouth. Now he’s pretty set in his ways and I can tell when his behaviour is out of bounds.

    The breeder who spawned him has two spayed black female Persians he’s trying to find forever homes for.

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    David Koch says:

    Tea Party is calling for members to vote for the Democrat in the fall

    http://on.msnbc.com/1wCOrhI

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    David Koch says:

    The gnashing has been so delicious.

    Hannity told his followers not to vote for Cochran: “Do not support despicable Thad Cochran in the general”

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @David Koch: Watching him on “Up” now, he sounds like the Naderites in 2000.

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    Cervantes says:

    @ruemara: The book is probably one of Ruth Noel’s.

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    @Morzer:
    I cannot sufficiently recommend Goat Simulator. If you really want to know what it’s like to be a goat – licking things, headbutting things, becoming Queen of Goats and raining minions down from the sky, sacrificing humans to Goat Satan, and jumping off construction site cranes – Goat Simulator is the educational tool for you.

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    Cervantes says:

    @ruemara: I suppose you mean “descendants” rather than “ancestors,” although the latter is an interesting idea also.

    And “pedants,” unless, in your state of outrage, you’re hanging them.

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    Morzer says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    *backs away slowly while keeping a good , solid grip on his Sword of Smiting*

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    Jay C says:

    @ruemara: @Morzer:

    OK, found it!: Here’s the recording of JRRT reciting his Elvish poem: sounds more like Belarus than Beleriand to me, but YMMV…

    It tool me a bit of serious googling to find it, though: most of the Google references were to Alex Jones, and “Lost Tolkien tapes expose NWO” WTF is that about…?

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    Cervantes says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: What a sheltered life I lead. Can’t even call it a life, really.

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    Morzer says:

    @Jay C:

    I must confess to imagining the heroic elven warriors sitting there thinking to themselves:

    “Only another hour of cultural activities until the Mirkwood Football League game begins….”

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    El Cruzado says:

    Well, they hate the Romans, but even more than the Romans they hate the…

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    efgoldman says:

    @David Koch:

    Tea Party is calling for members to vote for the Democrat in the fall

    Hey, maybe FSM does love us that much, after all.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Goat Simulator is the educational tool for you.

    You forgot “teaching goats how to interact with Micky Kaus.”

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    Morzer says:

    @efgoldman:

    In cyberspace, no-one can hear you scream

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    Violet says:

    @Morzer: Thank you for mentioning Goat Simulator. I thought you were making that up so I googled it. Gave me a much needed laugh. I appreciate how they are promoting themselves:

    Goat Simulator is a small, broken and stupid game. It was made in a couple of weeks so don’t expect a game in the size and scope of GTA with goats. In fact, you’re better off not expecting anything at all actually. To be completely honest, it would be best if you’d spend your $10 on a hula hoop, a pile of bricks, or maybe a real-life goat.

    And from the FAQ:

    Q: bro are u srs

    A: Yes.

    The trailer is kind of fun.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @dubo: Thanks shitstick, can’t you let your generalities go and just enjoy the moment? While you’re at it, scroll up two times and look at the comment made. You’re not helping here.

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    cmorenc says:

    @gene108:

    Really, I’d love it if these morons could be more articulate and explain what exactly they are saving us from.

    These people live in a perpetually nostalgic dream about how American society was in the 50s, according to their imagination of what optimistic post-war booming America was back then, combined with another nostalgic dream about how American society was in the 1870s when an ambitious person could still homestead his way into land. Of course, these dreams gloss over th

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    cmorenc says:

    .

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    cmorenc says:

    @gene108:

    Really, I’d love it if these morons could be more articulate and explain what exactly they are saving us from.

    These people live in a perpetually nostalgic dream about how American society was in the 50s, according to their imagination of what optimistic post-war booming America was back then, combined with another nostalgic dream about how American society was in the 1870s when an ambitious person could still homestead his way into land. Of course, these dreams gloss over the harsher side of realities during these eras.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Being a Methodist I knew that about the damned Calvinists but not about Luther; I have plenty of bones to pick with Luther, though.

    I also heard it referred to as a gate, but also to be taken as a serious warning. I heard one Sunday School teacher explain that he took it not as a warning against being rich but as a warning to be very generous with money, time, and service to others.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Morzer:

    I wonder whether Tolkien ever heard any Sibelius?

    Given that they were contemporaries, and that Sibelius was one of the most famous composers of his day, he probably couldn’t have avoided hearing Sibelius even if he’d wanted to. And according to this hearsay, Sibelius was his favorite composer. Certainly I’d have guessed he would at least have liked Sibelius; he was enough of a traditionalist I’d expect him to like tonal classical music; and I’d expect him to like contemporaries. That leaves not too many choices, and Sibelius’ music seems more Tolkeinesque than the alternatives like Rachmaninoff, Elgar, and Ravel.

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    bago says:

    Yeah, ANOTHER thumbs up for goat simulator. It’s like someone had a little too much fun with garrys mod. The best part? They modeled the curvature of the earth for some of your physics hijinx.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Fair Economist: Yes, he did like Sibelius well enough. He also liked the music of Carl Maria von Weber. In his younger days he enjoyed Wagner.

    And opera, generally.

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    Morzer says:

    @Cervantes:

    I don’t know if you ever encountered the work of Michael Scott Rohan, but he also has a lot of Finnish influence in his Winter of the World novels.

    I am glad to learn Tolkien enjoyed Sibelius – it felt like a natural fit to me, but I never got around to confirming it.

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    LosGatosCA says:

    @Baud:

    I’m starting to think the more extreme of the teahdists actually hate Republicans more than they hate liberals.

    Has always been thus. Democrats don’t peer into the inner workings of Republicans much – more lately – but even silly shit like this has been done like a blood feud.

    I’ve been telling Democrats for years, how can you negotiate with people who eat their own clan gleefully? Answer: You don’t. They aren’t going to compromise with you after they knee cap, back stab, and screw their own. Michelle’s whitey tape accusations? Not half as bad as McCain’s black baby.

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    dianne says:

    I wonder, sometimes, about the guy on CNBC who named the teaparty after his rant on taxes went viral. Do they blame him for the uproar – Wall Street loved them at first but lately, not so much. Of course, the Kochs stepped in and funded their “movement” but the dismay of Wall Street about how it is all turning out is so sweet.

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