When You’ve Lost Megyn Kelly…

Note Kelly’s facial expression — skeptical, all through the clip.

(It’s also a little scary how Liz (the amanuensis known as Princess Snarlyface”, thank you TBogg) Cheney’s expression never changes, to a degree that one half expects to see a little string running from her back to her old man’s hand. Jason Zengerle at TNR thinks “Rand Paul Is the Real Target” — that the op-ed was meant to target noninterventionist Repubs, at least partially for the launch of Liz Cheney’s new grift, something called “Alliance for A Strong America”.)

Amy Davidson, at the New Yorker:

In the Cheneys’ contorted diagram of history, going to war is itself a victory. They seem to see Iraq’s wreckage as a vindication of that war, not an indictment of it. It is difficult, otherwise, to explain their contempt for Obama’s withdrawal of troops. (“President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch.”) On this question, the Cheneys appear to be out of touch even with many in their own party. When Megyn Kelly, interviewing the Cheneys on Fox News, told Cheney that he had made a historic mistake in Iraq, he seemed startled enough to address her as “Reagan.” Perhaps the Cheneys and other conservatives do realize that the American public has come to view the Iraq War as a disaster, and have simply persuaded themselves that the only way to void that judgment is to get the war going again.

76 replies
  1. 1
    WereBear says:

    They can hang together or they can hang separately. Just so it ends.

  2. 2
    Hunter Gathers says:

    Even the right wingers are getting tired of Dick.

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    Morzer says:

    “Reagan” is the reflexive conservative’s “Hodor”.

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    WaterGirl says:


    They can hang together or they can hang separately. Just so it ends they hang.

    Fixed that for you.

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    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: Dang my pacifist sentiments!

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    MattF says:

    Liz is paralyzed by the realization that she might not be Blonde #1.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: I used to be like that.

    On a personal note, since you have to wait 2.5 months for your appointment, have you considered trying the mini-trampoline thing I suggested awhile back? It’s supposed to be really good for stimulating your adrenal glands and everything that controls the hormonal system that’s so key to everything working right.

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    WereBear says:

    Now, I’ve got a new kitten picture, our new little guy is 3 1/2 months old.

    This is some serious squee, people. Don’t click unless you are ready for the DEFCON 1 of kitten cuteness.

    Mithrandir thinks deep thoughts

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: My what big ears you have! :: heart beating rapidly ::

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    gnomedad says:

    Meanwhile, the caption still basically says “Obama sucks”.

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    Joe Buck says:

    Interesting. I wonder if Fox News has decided to get behind the Pauls and cut the neocons loose. The right has (at least) four camps: the Atlas Shrugged people, the extremely wealthy (big overlap with Atlas Shrugged), the religious right, and the neocons. They need the religious right for foot soldiers, and they are all about the money. But what do they need the neocons for? Defense contracts, I guess, but if they have to choose, it would be easiest to dump the Cheneys and the Kristols.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @WaterGirl: Beat me to it.

    @WereBear: I don’t have pacifist sentiments, just a pacifist reality. ( Been there, done that, seen it…. Somehow or other I always managed to stay out of it. Decided I’m really just a pu$$y.)

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    Substitute Cheney for Mr. Morden-outsourced to Vir Cotto.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Cheney is used to deference so it is a growing experience for him to be challenged.

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    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: I will look into it once I get some treatment, and I appreciate the reminder.

    Right now, ANY exertion messes me up… I’m beyond exercise helping and into exercise hurting.

    It’s hard to tell if I’m getting worse because simultaneously there’s all these physical stresses… like walking home from the grocery store with heavy stuff like cat food. That was a bad idea.

    Right now, Mr WereBear is ordering cat food online and bringing it upstairs himself, while I’m doing things like getting rides from a friend so I don’t have to carry things. That big road work trench in front of the house is a real pain.

    As a PSA, I got my new medical ID bracelet and it’s so well-made I can hardly tell I’m wearing it, and it’s pretty, too. So if any of you need a medical ID but don’t want to wear one because it’s ugly and broadcasts that you’re sick, I understand.

    But you don’t have that excuse anymore!

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    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: Yes, I like to say, “Ears like a fruit bat!”

    He’s so sweet, too. I came home & collapsed on the bed, and he chirps his way over and curls up on my chest.

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    LT says:

    It was a calculated CYA moment performed by a cold hearted bitch, for the sake of a corporation that has made her posterity rich.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: So much suck for you lately. I wish I could make it better. But I will nudge a teeny bit more one last time – they say even 1 minute a day can help get things chugging along. Okay, I’ll stop now. Promise.

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    Cervantes says:

    When You’ve Lost Megyn Kelly…

    And after the Cheneys père et fille, she challenged John Bolton, too.

    It may well be the closest any of these cowards have come to actual combat.

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    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: What I did do: I was in a forest taking pictures for work, and I took off my shoes and socks and stood there in the pine needles, just earthing.

    I know it sounds like woo, but it did feel really good.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    For now, you may need to buy a rolling shopping cart so at least you only have to schlep the heavy things short distances.

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    C.S. says:

    It’s really weird when Kelly goes sideways. She’s got an ability to really go for the throat that is . . . impressive. The two other times I can remember off the top of my head were her (a) handing Karl Rove his ass on election night, and (b) tearing some hack limb from limb on the subject of maternity leave (if I remember correctly, it was right after she came back from maternity leave herself). There are probably other examples. At times like these, she becomes the interviewer Chris Matthews imagines himself as. And the people who face it all have that same “wait . . . what?” expression that Cheney sports here.

    Makes her day-to-day hackwork that much sadder.

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    the Conster says:


    Yeah, this. Ailes has made a calculation that the Cheneys aren’t good for the brand anymore. Kelly has no principles because she’s an Ailes sock puppet, but, it’s fun to watch.

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    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: It’s a good idea, except… we got one a couple of years ago, just so I could walk to the grocery in summer (I felt fine then,) and it fell apart in short order.

    Fortunately, I got my money back from Ace Hardware, but I don’t think their quality has improved. Reviews on Amazon mention weak wheels. And I don’t have a sidewalk because that is part of what they are repairing, so the route would be even tougher.

    Sometimes they fill in the gaps where the driveway is with packed rock, so on weekends we can get out and do errands. So it’s not entirely a Fort Apache situation.

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    Elizabelle says:


    I think he’s Norman Mailer back as a kitten.

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    mdblanche says:

    @Howard Beale IV: I would also be satisfied to see Cheney nibbled to death by cats.

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    Jay C says:


    Meanwhile, the caption still basically says “Obama sucks”.

    That, really, is probably all this whole sorry exercise by the Cheneys is about: I’m not just being flip when I say that I seriously think that NO MATTER WHAT policy President Obama implements(/ed) wrt Iraq, Dick and Liz Cheney would be just as quick to leap in front of a camera and savage it – and probably with the (disgusting but not unsurprising) expectation that they would get little, if any pushback from the toady media. Even though Fox News is still Hackery TV Central ,stuff like this is still good to hear. Once in a while.

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    mai naem says:

    Not even taking into consideration what they’re saying, Liz looks so stupid sitting there with Dick. She says almost nothing for over 10 mins and in total she says very little. I could understand this if Bill Clinton was sitting there with Chelsea if Chelsea was under 25 but Liz is in her late 40s. She looks like a little girl. Also too, I would have thought she would dress better. The YouTube clip with Dick in the cowboy hat had her in some Hanes sweatshirt looking thing. And what she had on in this clip is ill fitting and just kind of a dressier version of sweats.

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    EthylEster says:

    I know someone else who is willfully blind to the impact of HIS policies.
    Here’s looking at you, Dick.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Annoying! I’ve seen fabric ones as well, kind of like this one. Those are really a tote bag put on a luggage cart, so they have fewer parts that can collapse on you.

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    @WereBear: That is some major cuteness. I’m going to quietly say it here…but I have an addition coming in August, he’s going to be squee worthy for a few months and then he’s going to be gigantic. :-)

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    WereBear says:

    @Elizabelle: Lawsy, not Normal Mailer! All we need is our kitten to get into drunken brawls with the other writer-kittens!

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    the Conster says:

    @mai naem:

    Now we know why she dropped out of her campaign – to spend more time with her family creepy ghoul of a father.

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    WereBear says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Oooooh, sounds wonderful.

    I see a lot of Maine Coon in our new little guy. Our other Maine Coon mix is nearly 20 pounds… which is a lightweight in those circles.

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    @WereBear: My new guy is clearly part Maine Coon and the other cats look at him like he’s from another planet. “You mean you socialize with strangers?” “What’s with all this outgoing, friendly b.s., we’re aloof dangummit!”

    I don’t think he’s been around other cats before, he seems to be in awe of them. Have to wonder how he’ll adjust to a giant dog.

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    @WereBear: Steve looks at those numbers and scoffs at your lightweight.

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    Cervantes says:

    @C.S.: She embarrassed Erick Erickson as well not too long ago.

    And, as mentioned above, John Bolton.

  38. 38
    SuperHrefna says:

    @WereBear: Cutie Pie!! Nothing beats kitten love when you are feeling tired and ill. Hope you feel better soon though, even Mithrandir can only cure just so much.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @WereBear: You’d have to bring your own bungee cords, but I’ve had good results with this ‘hand cart‘ horsing bags of soil/boxes of books up & down the stairs in our four-level house, and across the badly-cared-for yard to the storage shed. Unlike some of our earlier experiments, it’s really easy to manipulate when folded, and it doesn’t tip even when it’s unevenly loaded…

    Also, can’t speak to specifics on this product, but I’ve been pleased with everything I’ve gotten from Gold Violin

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    aimai says:

    @WereBear: I’ve missed something and I don’t know whats wrong but I’m sending good thoughts your way. You and Mr. WErebear have been through so much. You deserve a break. Earthing sounds great to me. I hope you get a chance to do more.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Ooooh boy! Can’t wait to see the pictures…

  42. 42
    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: That looks nice, and made for climbing stairs. However, as I read down into the reviews, many folks are saying, “Good design, lousy workmanship — wheels falling off.”

    That’s such a big issue. I’d pay twice as much for a cart that would last! But they don’t give you that option, It’s cheap crap or nothing.

  43. 43
    WereBear says:

    @TaMara (BHF): I love your new cat guy. The golden one!

    I’m a huge fan of huge dogs. My last puppy was a Newfie/Chow mix. Awesome personality.

  44. 44
    WereBear says:

    @Anne Laurie: Oooh, thanks. Now that would be up to the task!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: Where I live, you can get groceries delivered for a smallish fee. Is that available where you are?

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    WereBear says:

    @aimai: I’ve got a specialist appointment coming up the first of next month, just hanging in there until then. If my hunch about the diagnosis is right, I can be helped.

    Now if only the specialist will listen to Dr WereBear :)

  47. 47
    WereBear says:

    @WaterGirl: Nope. We’re lucky to get pizza delivered.

    But there is an awesome ice cream stand just a bit down the road, unaffected by the construction, who serves hot fudge sundaes, burgers (without the bun in my case) and fries.

    We can live on that this weekend!

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    Mnemosyne says:


    We have a couple of those (or similar ones) at work and they’re great, especially since they fold (almost) flat. All you need is a milk crate and a couple of bungee cords and you’re in business for groceries and cat food.

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    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yes, I see how that would be just the ticket.

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    C.S. says:

    @Cervantes: That’s right! I knew there was another. It’s very weird. It’s weird that she’s apparently allowed this kind of free rein when others on Fox are so clearly not; it’s weird that she gets her facts straight and uses them effectively when attacking conservatives, but when she’s attacking liberals she doesn’t seem to know what a fact is; it’s weird that how much better she gets when she’s engaged like this . . . I hope that’s not just projection because I’m agreeing with her, but she really seems to enjoy when she attacks conservatives; it’s weird that she apparently doesn’t have a pet issue that this occurs on (unlike Shep Smith, where you know what’s coming if you touch on, say, waterboarding) — you don’t know when it’s coming, like the Spanish Inquisition!; and it’s really, really weird that she’s very clearly able to dispassionately weigh costs and benefits, and facts versus spin, but does it selectively. She is, hands down, Fox’s most interesting blonde.

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    ruemara says:

    TO CS: Yes, because she’s a shill and a hack for the cash. And as I keep reminding people, she’s not on our side, just because we’re standing on the same sidewalk.

    And WereBear, I challenge you to a cute off. Because my office was full of kittens. It was socialization training and towel wrap practice for the interns. Purritos everywhere. I let the dog handle the customer service and took a 5 hours to assist.

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    ruemara says:

    @mdblanche: Why do you hate cats?

  54. 54
    mdblanche says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Yes, not the weird furry, bill-less, clawed type that everybody else here is posting photos of.

    @ruemara: I only hate the feathered type.

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    Cervantes says:

    @C.S.: You know a lot more about her work at Fox than I do, but I can add that before she became a reporter (if that’s the word I want), she used to be a fairly good attorney at an extremely good law firm.

    PS: Thanks, by the way, for your précis of her on-air persona.

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    Carolinus says:

    I’m assuming the explanation for the left praising Kelly so much over this is that no one has watched the full interview. She opens with two decent questions and then reverts to setting up typical fox wing-nutty teeballs for the rest of the interview.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @WereBear: Oh my… Squeeeee… What a cute face and whiskers and ear floof.

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    Hal says:

    Not giving Megyn Kelly any credit. Clearly her puppet masters at Fox News sense a losing battle and are now ordering their “anchors” to start asking specific questions, rather than giving Cheney free rain to spout gibberish no one outside of the McCain/Graham/Ayotte cabal is buying in to. Soon enough she’ll be back to Benghazi and the IRS.

  59. 59
    Ken says:

    Hey, have you heard *anyone* say, “I wonder what Dick Cheney would do about Iraq”?

    I can’t think of any question to which the answer would be “Ask Dick Cheney.” And the only question I can think of to which the answer is “Dick Cheney” would be “Who should we strip of citizenship and send to the Hague for trial?”

    ETA: OK, I’ll also include mdblanche‘s “Who would I like to see nibbled to death by cats?”

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    Cervantes says:


    I can’t think of any question to which the answer would be “Ask Dick Cheney.”

    “How did Dick Cheney become George Bush’s running mate in 2000?”

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    Mike in NC says:

    Sadly, there is no circle of hell deep enough to accept the Cheneys.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Hal: Which other Fox “anchors” have been ordered to Ask Questions?

  63. 63
    Cervantes says:

    @Carolinus: Really? Who is “the left”?

    C. S. and I were not talking about any single interview.

  64. 64
    Cervantes says:

    @Mike in NC: Yes. If I may paraphrase Harold Bloom, you cannot Christianize Dick Cheney, even if you are Dante.

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    mainmata says:

    @Joe Buck: I’ll keep your four categories but adjust somewhat: !%-ers, which entirely include Randys; Neocons and Business Parasites (not all by any means are 1%-ers); Fundies and Racists/Gun Nuts.

    Not all 1%-ers are Randyers, of course (Buffet, Soros, etc.) but all Randyers are either 1%-ers or work for them. There are also a lot of racists and gun nuts who are “independents” or non-voters – perhaps a majority of them but who will vote Republican if motivated to vote at all. I put the Neocons with the Parasites because war profiteering is what the neocons fundamentally are really all about; they just dress it up in war ideology to justify big defense budgets and moar war.

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    mainmata says:

    @Cervantes: Ask me, ask me! Cuz, um, W asked him who he should pick to be his VP?

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    JGabriel says:

    Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Note Kelly’s facial expression — skeptical, all through the clip.

    I thought Kelly’s face was permanently set that way.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    Mithrandir thinks deep thoughts

    The wee dude has impressive ear tendrils.

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    Joel says:

    Sorry, but, staged.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @mainmata: there are lots of non 1% Randites. Most of them are in computing, in one form or another, and convinced they’d be rich if not for the government.

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    lukeallen1 says:

    Lol…political bloggers should know better. Rove 101, you attack where you are weakest. Cheney has always used this tactic. Meanwhile you political bloggers are still running around wondering wtf it all means. I just told you. Full stop. Not that you will EVER get it. You never do.

    So they are doing it for purely selfish reasons. Not to attack Rand Paul…sigh. Do I have to draw a friggin map?!

  72. 72
    Tripod says:

    Liz looks like the American version of what the Monty Python players called Pepperpots. I’m not sure where that sort of frumpy, white bread, down home Americana sells anymore.

    Same old GOP….. Even a loyal hatchet man like Dick will get knifed when it’s politically expedient to do so. Dick never got that he was just the help. …so long asshole, and we never liked you anyway…

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    the launch of Liz Cheney’s new grift, something called “Alliance for A Strong America”.

    Aaaand THAT’s why we’re seeing their stupid mugs anywhere on the TeeVee this week. She’s gotta make a living, and tapping this rich niche of money givers will be the only way.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:



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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:


    muck cart

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    @Hal: My suspicion is this is part of a long game to eventually rewrite history and blame the war on “the liberal” Bush administration. They realize that war is unpopular and seen as a mistake even among the republican base. It won’t be long before the entire Faux News crew is claiming to have thought the the war was a bad idea from the start, and throws the entire Bush administration under the bus as being too liberal. They’ll claim it was that liberal hubris that made them go to war. Because conservatism never fails, it is only failed by those who are insufficiently conservative.

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