This is not a problem. This is a solution:
People don’t take hurricanes as seriously if they have a feminine name and the consequences are deadly, finds a new groundbreaking study.
Female-named storms have historically killed more because people neither consider them as risky nor take the same precautions, the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences concludes.
Researchers at the University of Illinois and Arizona State University examined six decades of hurricane death rates according to gender, spanning 1950 and 2012. Of the 47 most damaging hurricanes, the female-named hurricanes produced an average of 45 deaths compared to 23 deaths in male-named storms, or almost double the number of fatalities. (The study excluded Katrina and Audrey, outlier storms that would skew the model).
The difference in death rates between genders was even more pronounced when comparing strongly masculine names versus strongly feminine ones.
Can we give Hurricanes flamboyantly gay names and traditionally black names? We could really make some progress wiping out the gene pool of coastal racists, homophobes, and misogynists.
Zam
Pretty certain we give them the black names if we actually want old white people to run, that or they’ll be sitting on their porch shooting at the sky.
Morzer (0th of His PseudoName and Founder of the Walter Sobchak Peacekeepers)
Maybe we should try calling a hurricane “Jefferson Davis” and see whether the wingnuts rush into it with their arms and mouths wide open.
rikyrah
@Zam:
BWA HA HA HA HA HA H AH AH
Jerzy Russian
Flamboyantly Gay Hurricanes will be the name of my new band.
gogol's wife
Hmmm . . . what is a flamboyantly gay name? Charles Nelson Reilly?
Hunter Gathers
Hurricanes Black Panther, Ellen DeGeneres, Nathan Lane, and Barack Obama would tally a death toll higher than all the wars in history put together.
Morzer (0th of His PseudoName and Founder of the Walter Sobchak Peacekeepers)
@gogol’s wife:
How about… Rapture?
That ought to work for homophobes, evangelicals and the sort of people who think Sarah Palin is either upright or godly.
catclub
When did the change to male and female storm names start? I am confident it was well after 1950.
How badly could he statistics be skewed if the evacuation efforts of all storms were much worse in 1951 and they were all female named storms, but better in 2003?
shelley
I know people can be nuts, but honestly, I can’t believe this is true. I feel like Paula Poundstone on ‘Wait, wait don’t tell me’ when a story starts with ‘Studies show….’ and she starts to splutter, ‘What? wait a minute..”
gelfling545
That was my daughter’s comment when I brought this to her attention: “One way to cull the herd.” I’d like to believe people aren’t that stupid. I don’t believe it, but I’d like to.
? Martin
I seriously want to see Fox News talking about Hurricane Tayshaun for a week.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
OT: A Hard Day’s Night” is about to start on TCM.
Litlebritdifrnt
Listen the most deadly hurricanes I remember have had female names, Bertha, Fran, Irene, Sandy, the only outlier was Floyd which followed Tropical Storm Dennis which smacked the treacle out of Eastern North Carolina.
BGinCHI
“The Coast of Mississippi was torn apart today when Fabulous Hurricane Gaylord struck scores of vacationing morans.”
Pictures at 11.
Suffern ACE
@Litlebritdifrnt: Andrew and Mitch were horrible. I wonder how bad they would have been if they were named Andrea or Michelle?
Cermet
This is a joke or an Onion article, right? No one could be that stupid … wait, these are amerikans …oh. That explains it completely!
burnspbesq
Hurricane DeSean sounds like a MMA fighter. Nagawork.
SuperHrefna
@? Martin: Me too. And Hurricane Gaylord!
ETA: BGinChi got there first!
eyelessgame
“In 1978, meteorologists watching storms in the Eastern North Pacific began using men’s names for half of the storms. Meteorologists for the Atlantic ocean began using men’s names in 1979” according to http://geology.com/hurricanes/hurricane-names.shtml.
The questionnaire survey strikes me as far more compelling.
Rugosa
@? Martin: It will be Hurricane Darnell before Tayshaun or DeSean.
Long Tooth
Why not name hurricanes after dead people, that the living could better gauge (and react) to the danger one might expect?
For example, people would batten down the hatches, and yet still stay calm, if they knew ‘Hurricane Mother Theresa’ was headed their way. But a “Hurricane Hitler’? That would be a different story.
Why do I give these brilliant ideas away for free?
Litlebritdifrnt
@Suffern ACE:
They were both Florida hurricanes correct? Here in Eastern NC the girls have kicked our ass. As I said the outlier was Floyd, in which I basically lost my house and it had to rebuild it from the studs up.
scav
anyone else rooting for a hurricane Trayvon? Come on heroes, stand your ground! (oh where did I put my better angels . . . .) Only other name I really want is Hurricane Boo.
Howard Beale IV
Hurricane Reggie.
maya
If you really want to wipe out the herd just keep the female names going. That’s what the study shows, doesn’t it?
Make them even cuter, like: Hurricane Heather, Courtney, Brittany, Brandi, and Jennifer. They’ll welcome them with beer and popcorn.
Howard Beale IV
@efgoldman: You forgot Hurricane Rock.
Baud
Maybe they should give hurricanes stripper names and really reduce the surplus population.
Marc
John, John, John, traditionally black names would scare them shitless. There wouldn’t be any deaths at all except for the shitheels who stood out on the beach firing hollowpoints into the storm.
So… maybe.
jibeaux
Hurricanes only had female names until 1979, tho…
Jay S
Deadlier than the male?
John (MCCARTHY) Cole
@shelley: Paula Poundstone and Alonzo Bodden and Charlie Pierce and Tom Bodet (sp?) are why I listen to Wait Wait. Poundstone and Bodden are so fucking funny, and Pierce has a razor sharp tonogue and awesome historically accurate one liners.
Howard Beale IV
@Baud: Hmmm….Hurricanes Crystal and Barbie.
Possible….could be worse, could be Hurricane Lindsey.
beer time somewhere
Hurricane Muhammad
beltane
@Litlebritdifrnt: Also the very feminine Camille and Katrina. The iconic hurricanes of history, other than Andrew, have mostly had female names, many with names fit for a true diva.
Bill E Pilgrim
Hurricane Fabulous is Obama’s Katrina.
beltane
What would they do in the event of a Hurricane Hillary? Cover their nuts or make assholish comments about its cankles?
Roger Moore
@catclub:
This. The only reasonable way of doing the study is to start it when they started alternating male and female names. Otherwise you’re asking for spurious correlation.
cokane
Hurricane Tyrone would be very hard because of how the naming system works. Jamal is definitely possible. I’m not sure what a flamboyantly gay name is.
beltane
Hurricane Harvey Milk! The fundies would simply refuse to acknowledge landfall.
ellie
This is the best thread, ever.
beltane
@cokane: They could easily name a storm Hurricane Gay and watch the reaction.
Suffern ACE
@cokane: Derek Bigwood?
smintheus
Showing that Karma is a female name.
Villago Delenda Est
Look, this is Darwin in action. The more idiot fundigelicals, teabaggers, Ferengi, and racists that are slaughtered by storms, the better.
Baud
OT: Buzzfeed (via Reddit)
Luckily, we’re not a top website. Right?
WaterGirl
@Villago Delenda Est: Unless, of course, the bias comes from the media who could influence how seriously people take the storm. In which case, we could lose a lot of good people along with the idiots and racists.
Suffern ACE
@Baud: we were big enough to get Victory UCC. Trolls are cheap.
beltane
@Baud: We are a niche website catering to a high-end, discriminating clientele. Our trolls ought to reflect our values and sense of style.
Villago Delenda Est
@cokane: Bruuuuuuuuuuce! (No poofters!)
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: AAA farm team, maybe?
Gvg
As someone already pointed out they didn’t use male names till1979. Also due to a 30 year weather pattern having to do with a drought in Africa and i think the Gulf Stream shifted, we had fewer hurricanes hitting the east coast than the historical records going back to the Spanish say we should. That pattern ended with Andrew in 92. Per an insurance agent a side effect was more people built on the coast because they thought it was safe. In other words I don’t find this convincing. In my experience what matters is how many people have recent memory of serious hurricanes and convince others to take it seriously. Florida has too many people who move here from elsewhere. before Andrew I think most people had forgotten. the lovely 4 hurricane 2004 year is also a while back so we may have some problems but I think we have enough people who were here that we won’t be stupid. Pictures help. In the 70’s and 80’s I recall people talking about hurricane parties and no school….now we have weather geeks. everyone know which coworker follows the weather news. we also have storm plans at work.
RandomMonster
Maybe some climate denialists would sit up and take notice, too.
Villago Delenda Est
@RandomMonster: Unfortunately, we in Oregon don’t get storms of hurricane intensity very often, so Art Robinson is fairly safe.
Bill E Pilgrim
You laugh, but if they named them after pets, everyone on this blog would be susceptible.
“Hurricane Fluffy? Aww, how bad could that be?”
Gin & Tonic
@Gvg: As someone already pointed out they didn’t use male names till1979.
I’m too lazy to look it up, but prior to about the 1950’s, they didn’t use names at all. The salient historical event in RI is the great hurricane of 1938. No name. Killed 600-800.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Baud: I don’t think we got an A-lister.
ellennelle
someone may have already made note of this, but – unless they controlled for the fact that ONLY FEMALE NAMES WERE USED until 1980 – these data may not mean anything.
i mean, that’s 30 years of deadly hurricanes with female names because , oh yeah, there were only female names.
Baud
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Even better. Hurricane Fluffer.
scav
We need a double-team: Hurricanes Adam&Steve
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Bill E Pilgrim: We’ve seen Ghostbusters. Look what the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man was able to accomplish, and he didn’t even have claws.
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
If our guy was an A-lister, the Kremlin is not getting its money’s worth.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Baud:
Depends on how you define “a top”.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): That’s just it though, IIRC Dan Aykroyd was trying to think of the most innocent, harmless, least-likely-to-hurt-anyone creature that he could. It’s always the innocent looking ones that fool you.
mtiffany
Mmmm… Hurricane Antoine Dodson…
Baud
Why don’t journalists understand the difference between proposed rules and actual rules? #maddow
JPL
Why not use the names of those who died because of the stand your ground rule? Maybe those names should be reserved for hurricanes heading towards for Florida.
@beltane: They’d complain that it was too big or too small. Just right doesn’t fit their lingo.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Bill E Pilgrim: But have we learned nothing from his example?
jl
@Bill E Pilgrim:
” Luckily, we’re not a top website. Right?
Depends on how you define “a top”. ”
IIRC, Balloon-Juice does have a claim as being a top-ten blog. Somebody did a study of blog traffic and more or less arbitrarily piked out ten blogs that seemed prominent, and Balloon-Juice came in last. It was featured in a BJ post, but I am not sure how much of the post was claiming bragging rights and how much was self-loathing self-snark.
Anyway, good enough for me. BJ is a top ten blog.
Gin & Tonic
@Bill E Pilgrim: I define it like this. They’ve actually become a thing lately.
Baud
In honor of the greatest president ever, every hurricane should be named after Reagan.
Baud
@jl:
We were tenth out of ten! Huzzah!
JPL
@Baud: Would we have to a St. before his name? Reagan I, Reagan 2, Reagan II, Reagan 4….. I like it.
gian
@SuperHrefna:
changes in language are a funny thing. a “head” is a geography term
and “gay” is a family name for people…
when I was young, there was a “gay head” state park in CT
it’s since been renamed to gay city:
http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?a=2716&q=325202
of course I could be in possession of a totally failed memory.
Willimantic CT used to (and maybe still does) have a “hooker hotel” named for the same person that inspired the renaming of camp followers.
JPL
@Baud: Does that mean we get lesser trolls?
Baud
@JPL:
It means we are the lesser trolls.
JPL
‘@Baud: Don’t tell Steve. He won’t be happy.
Bill E Pilgrim
@jl: I actually was making a joke about something else, but trying not to be obvious. May have overdone it.
Baud
@JPL:
Yeah, he could have done so much better. Best leave him in the dark.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
It means we get trolls of a lesser blog.
mainmata
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): Thanks for the tip. Wow, haven’t seen it since it first came out. I had forgotten just how weird (in a fun way) that film was.
Gin & Tonic
@Roger Moore: As long as (some) are on the subject, here is a very interesting infographic about Ukraine’s recent Presidential election. The second graphic is the one with the dark red almost everywhere for Poroshenko. The small pink pockets here and there are Yulia Tymoshenko. The light blue in the upper right is Dobkin, a favorite son of that area. The pockets of dark blue in the south are Serhiy Tihipko, a former ally of Yanukovych and Party of Regions member.
gogol's wife
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Ooh, wasn’t it great?
NotMax
The GOP answer would be to name all of them Reagan.
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
Very interesting. The voter turnout one is enlightening. I wonder if the voter turnout in the East is low because the voters there are sure they’re either going to lose the election or because they’re worried that even if their guy wins he’ll be overthrown by another popular uprising.
NotMax
Sorry, Baud. Didn’t read down far enough. :)
C’est la net.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@gogol’s wife: What a clean old man!
gogol's wife
@Roger Moore:
I believe there was intimidation in the East.
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Yeah! And now there’s going to be Go-Go Mania, with some famous and obscure bands lip-synching, hosted by the notorious Jimmy Saville.
jl
@Bill E Pilgrim: Yes, I know that, but I avoided that issue, since I wish to stay out of the blog front of the Ukrainian troubles.
I just wanted to remind people of how Balloon-Juice backed up by hook, crook, and blind luck, into ‘top ten’ blog glory.
Gin & Tonic
@Roger Moore: I know people who were election monitors in some of the 25-60% areas, and the common complaint among poll workers was that Poroshenko was (prior to the election) polling so strongly the results were viewed as a foregone conclusion. Add to that the fact that it was an unseasonably warm and sunny Sunday in the south, and people might have just said, screw it, it doesn’t really matter.
Look at it the other way – 25-50%, the yellow towns, that would encompass a lot of the US. Who could reach 80% turnout in any Western democracy? Eyeballing it, more than half the country had 60% or greater.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
He’s a right mixer, he is.
Great movie. Despite my gigantic Beatles prejudice, I think it holds up on many levels.
jl
@beltane:
” What would they do in the event of a Hurricane Hillary? ”
I would like to see a hurricane named Hillary and a polar front named Barack at the same time. What now, suckers? Which way do you run? They would Bidenate themselves spinning their cars in circles.
Roger Moore
@jl:
I don’t think they classify it as a top 10 blog, but it seems to get plenty of respect from
Random MemesMemeorandum.jl
@Roger Moore: Isn’t this a Groucho Marx type blog? Would it want to belong in any exclusive blog club that would let it be a member?
Does not this blog, or at least its fearless leader, rather embarrassingly hunger for disrespect? I ask you…
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Paul’s Grandfather is awesome. And I agree that it holds up well. The purity of the silliness shines through.
Gin & Tonic
@gogol’s wife: I believe there was intimidation in the East.
Outside of portions of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, there was really very little. I know people who were in Zaporizhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kherson oblasts (bordering Donetsk and Crimea) and observed no such activity.
Jacel
In “A Hard Day’s Night” I was struck by how much the scenes with Ringo wandering off felt like scenes from a Mr. Hulot movie.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@gogol’s wife:
So far, it is horrifyingly bad.
ETA: I mean, when one is hoping the Herman’s Hermits will be the next band, that can’t be a good thing, right?
jonas
“Category 5 hurricane RuPaul continues to devastate the Carolina coastline, obliterating the homes and businesses of people who foolishly refused to board up or evacuate because of what one resident with a stars-n-bars bandana on his head called ‘some faggot ass little rainstorm’, adding that ‘prayer would protect [them]’ from the twinkle-toed little sodomite breeze that could in no way be compared to the brutish and manly ‘Andrew’ who — stated another resident with a “The Bible says it, I believe it, case closed” bumper sticker on his lifted Ford pickup — really ‘laid some serious pipe into Florida’ about 20 years ago.”
Heliopause
I think you have it backwards. The bigots will be terrified of Hurricanes RuPaul and Ta-Nehisi and will evacuate. What you need to do is name all the hurricanes Ronaldreagan and they will stay put, maybe even have beach parties in honor of the Gipper’s mighty storm surge.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
It is dreadful, although I never dislike a chance to see the Animals.
And this girl drummer for the Honeycombs is an unexpected pleasure. I don’t remember that from back in the day.
I’m actually slightly looking forward to the Dave Clark Five movie coming up, Having a Wild Weekend. Even more than my beloved Animals, they are a forgotten group of the British invasion. I think there were rights issues for quite a while, because there was a long time when you could not find any CDs by them, not even a crappy “best of” set from a third-tier label. Anyway, they had more than a handful of good songs. I have no doubt that the movie itself is pure junk, though.
Jimmy Savile is creeping me out. I think that even if you didn’t know the back-story he would be sending out a big amber alert. And his hair looks like something from the outtakes of The Rutles.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack:
Win.
RaflW
@beltane: There was a Hurricane Gay, in the western Pacific in 1981. So there is precedent.
I was in grad school (for one semester) with a woman named Gay. She’d probably be in her early 50s now, and must be about the very last woman named Gay in this country…
TF79
I was a little skeptical of these results, as it wasn’t clear how they treated changes in deaths over time. I downloaded their data from PNAS and re-ran it with decade fixed effects, so that the comparison was restricted to within-decade variation. Somewhat to my surprise, their key interaction effect was positive and statistically significant. So even comparing just within decades and controlling for atmospheric pressure and damages, there’s some there-there.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Okay, here’s your Herman’s Hermits! And one of their better songs.
(“Mrs. Brown” is good too, but I’ve heard it about 10,000 too many times, and it always puts the taste of Donna Winters’s hairspray in my mouth. TMI, I know.)
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Liked “A Hard Day’s Night.” And the grandfather stole the show.
Plus, that neighborhood that looked bombed. And how dreary a lot of London seemed. 1964.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
Savile’s hair is fluorescent.
I am liking this song, whatcha gonna do when your baby leaves you. Never heard it.
The Animals ruled.
And that creepy song early on, about “Little Children.”
WaterGirl
@Baud: I still have a Halloween card I bought a million years ago when Reagan first ran. It showed a photo of Ronnie behind the desk in the oval office, with a name plate that said “President of the United States”.
Open the card and it says “This was the scariest card I could find.”
I never in a million years thought we could elect an idiot actor who was in Bedtime for Bonzo. If I was in tears when he won the first time, I slid down the wall in despair when I found out he won the second time. I really thought this country wasn’t stupid enough to do that twice.
I have since revised my opinion of the country.
Steeplejack
Okay, Spencer Davis, with Stevie Winwood about age 11. Dismal song.
But Stevie just started singing—holy shnikeys!
Gin & Tonic
@RaflW: On one and the same work-related project a bunch of years back we had a guy with the last name Gay and another with the last name Fairey. It was hard to suppress one’s inner 12 year-old.
jl
@TF79:
” What you need to do is name all the hurricanes Ronaldreagan and they will stay put, maybe even have beach parties in honor of the Gipper’s mighty storm surge. ”
That would be fiendish jack-booted thug piece of nudge-economics.
“Hurricane Ronald Reagan VII hurtled through the mostly depopulated white suburbs of Jackonsville, much of which is now returning to wilderness. Law enforcement officials and national guard troops were unable to stop the flood of Tea Partiers swarming into the evacuation area. ‘We figure it’s gonna work one of these times, and I’m going to be there when it does, Praise God!’, said a man who identified himself as a Cobb County resident, before turning his 4-wheel drive off the road in order to avoid the traffic jam.”
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
Hey, he was just wanting the little kids to get lost so he could kiss their sister.
Other great song by Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas: “Bad to Me.” (Written by Lennon-McCartney.)
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
And now we have synchronized twisting.
Elizabelle
@Gin & Tonic:
I remember some southern matron named “Gay Love.”
Wonder what she goes by now.
Steeplejack
Oh. My. God. Gold slacks dance number.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
I was a minute or two behind because I paused to go find “Bad to Me.” Just got caught up during this lame-o’s tear-jerking ballad.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
It were curious.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
Is this abomination with the fake stained glass windows by Matt Monro?
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
Tear jerking, yes, but it started out like a James Bond theme. And then — surprise.
ETA: And now “In the Pines.” Which Kurt Cobain later covered very well. He was not born yet when this show filmed.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
It’s like a time capsule proof of Sturgeon’s Law.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
I think Matt Munro had a less interesting song earlier. No idea who the guy hung up on “MaMa” is.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Elizabelle: FWIW I hate the collarless suits.
ETA: IMDb says Mama was by Monroe.
Gin & Tonic
What in the world are you people watching?
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name), @Elizabelle:
Yes, that is Matt Monro. And he actually did do a James Bond song, the title song for From Russia with Love.
Elizabelle
Goodbye Google Eye.
Belafon
The reason I could find this study plausible is the one from not too long ago about people’s attitudes about global warming: The temperature of the room the questions were asked in had an effect on the reported belief.
gogol's wife
@Steeplejack:
He’s loathesome!
Elizabelle
@Gin & Tonic:
Turner Classic Movies. “Pop Gear” from 1965, called “Go Go Mania” in US. British hitmakers. Uh, sort of.
chopper
@jonas:
perfect.
gogol's wife
@Steeplejack:
My husband’s favorite part of the movie!
Steeplejack
@Gin & Tonic:
We’re real-time-blogging Pop Gear (a.k.a. Go Go Mania) on TCM. It’s a 1965 movie with a bunch of British musical acts that mostly weren’t good enough to qualify for the invasion.
gogol's wife
@Elizabelle:
Monro has a good voice, but he doesn’t really belong in this lineup.
I forgot all about the Honeycombs.
Steeplejack
Still liking the Honeycombs’ drummer. Although I would not be surprised to learn that she is a cross-dresser named Fred.
Elizabelle
The Honeycombs back. Female drummer and guitarist who looks like Ernie from My Three Sons.
gogol's wife
All right, please don’t let me be misunderstood.
Steeplejack
Okay, hot damn! The Animals, with one of my favorite songs.
ETA: Somehow I never realized that Joaquin Phoenix’s grandfather was their keyboardist. Spittin’ image.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
Now this one is good. The Animals and “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood.”
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
Invader wannabes.
Mr. Eric Burdon and the Animals back. He’s so young to have that voice.
gogol's wife
Oh, this dance number is surreal.
Gin & Tonic
@Steeplejack: Oh. I don’t get TCM.
Elizabelle
@gogol’s wife:
It’s missing the gold pants.
And they’re all missing go go boots. I guess those came later?
Steeplejack
@gogol’s wife:
Gogol is old-school player!
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@gogol’s wife: They keep adding more people. Why?
gogol's wife
Oh no, not Monro again!
gogol's wife
@Elizabelle:
Yes, I think they are a bit later. I should know, I wanted them so much.
Steeplejack
@gogol’s wife:
He must have been Jimmy Savile’s gay lover. That’s the only way he gets this much air time. Either that or he had blackmail pictures.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@gogol’s wife: “Pop-Pop-Pop Gear”
Steeplejack
Okay, the Liverpudlian lads to elevate the discourse.
Elizabelle
@gogol’s wife:
He’s kind of ten years late for his style, isn’t he?
And The Beatles close. No sign of grandpa.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Steeplejack: Dude can sing. I’m assuming it’s still “can,” instead of “could.”
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
OMG, they claim it contains the Beatles but they just bookended the show with concert footage.
Elizabelle
@gogol’s wife:
I had white go go boots. Same year as “Lost in Space”. I think. And that Imogene Coco sitcom about astronauts landing back in the time of cave men. Didn’t last long, but was memorable.
gogol's wife
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
In retrospect, it’s probably not in the cards that the Beatles would have shared the stage with the Pennies.
gogol's wife
Okay, I wish I could stay up for “Having a Wild Weekend,” but bed calls . . .
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@gogol’s wife: One thing I admire about the Stones is that they stayed or were kept well clear of this thing. OTOH it was fun in a so bad its good sort of way.
chopper
@Jacel:
aw, he can’t help having a hideous great hooter! and his poor little head, trembling under the weight of it…
scav
One of those threads only improved by being nowhere near the actual transmission provided one has the properly miswired mind.
Steeplejack
@gogol’s wife:
LOL. I consider myself a ’60s music maven, and I had never heard, or heard of, the Pennies.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@chopper: We know how to behave! We’ve had lessons.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
You may have a lot of company there, re the Pennies.
Had you ever heard of the Rocking Berries? Great things foretold for them. By Jimmy Savile.
Steeplejack
My go-to source for (good) music clips like this, strangely enough, is those ’60s beach movies. Scattered through the cinematic wasteland are some fairly amazing snippets. One in particular, the genre-busting Ski Party, has the Animals doing one or two songs, Stan Getz and Astrud Gilberto doing “The Girl from Ipanema” and—I think—James Brown! Go figure.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
I don’t remember them, either, although the song they did was not bad.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Elizabelle: Savile is reputed to be the first DJ to use two turntables and a microphone.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Thank you re Munro. I’d not realized they had multiple songs.
Steeplejack
Don’t know if I’ll be able to go the distance with Having a Wild Weekend, but I want to catch the start to confirm my dim memory that the opening song is “Catch Us if You Can.”
Elizabelle
I don’t remember much of the Dave Clark Five. Kind of overwhelmed by The Beatles, Stones, the Monkees … missed the DC5, alas.
ETA: The Beach Boys, the Supremes….
Did you notice how pale the bands in Pop Gear?
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Elizabelle: DC5 were a good, solid, second tier British invasion band.
Steeplejack
Okay, Robert Osborne just informed me that John Boorman is going to give the Dave Clark Five the Point Blank treatment in this movie. At least I think that’s what he said.
ETA: All right, “Catch Us if You Can” to start. But this movie looks dreadfully bad already. The only thing that could redeem it is if the credits have Hazel Pethig doing the costumes.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Spot on.
BubbaDave
Hurricane Tyrone would have a 27% fatality rate.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Yeah. I’d never heard much of them until that PBS show a few months ago. I would have guessed they were from Detroit. Am I thinking of Mitch Ryder? Anyway, I was a non-cool kid. Purely Top 40 Radio.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Elizabelle: It’s cool. I just have a good memory and a proto-hipster desire to trace bands i like back to through their roots and influences – after all one can’t tell what they are doing until you know what they were taking on or rebelling against, now can one?*
*I don’t reorganize my record collection to suit my mood, but I would not, in my younger days, have been uncomfortable among the music store habitués of High Fidelity – novel or movie.
ETA: You are probably thinking of MC5, a garage/proto-punk band out of Michigan.
ETA2: Gawd, I am a pretentious douche.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels were a kick-ass band from Detroit. “C.C. Rider” (with obligatory go-go dancers).
The MC5 were (was?) a later band also from Detroit. “Kick Out the Jams.”
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: MC5 started ’64ish. Hit their stride a few years later.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Yeah, “hit their stride” as in their debut album didn’t come out until 1969, which is when I bought it. Hence my designation of them as a “later” band.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
Lost In Space ran from Sept. 1965 – Mar. 1969.
It’s About Time ran from Sept. 1966 to April 1967.
(Imogene Coca, not Coco, BTW.)
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: If we want to be pedantic, sure. ;-)
Steeplejack
Having a Wild Weekend officially blows. I’m surprised John Boorman got another job after this.
Although one can see it’s only a short step from “Meat for Go!” to “Zardoz!” So there’s that.
ETA: I need some Ipcress File or Funeral in Berlin as a palate-cleansing sorbet.
NotMax
Correction to #180 – LIS,/i> ended in Mar. 1968. Total memory fail there.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Dude, there is a Series 1 4.2 litre E-type in it. Of course, there was a Series 1 E-type coupe in the Ralph Fiennes/Uma Thurman Avengers movie. Gawd, that was horrible. Never mind.
ETA: They fucking wrecked the E-type. Fucking bastards.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
I have not been able to turn away from the movie, because it keeps getting worse and worse, beyond the “so bad it’s good” zone into the “it’s so bad I can’t believe they didn’t melt it down for guitar picks before releasing it” zone. Not only does it not have much DC5 music, it doesn’t have much of the DC5, and now this whole “The Army just showed up and blew up our shit, including the Jaguar” thing is surreal. And now Dave Clark is talking to this posh bird on the sofa while the cat cleans itself. WTF.
ETA: It’s like Boorman is still mad that he didn’t get to direct Saturday Night and Sunday Morning or Look Back in Anger.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: I have given up on it. The pointless Jaguar destruction was the end for me.
ETA: Hopefully they didn’t have the budget to actually kill one and it was just a fiberglass shell that got fucked up.
ETA2: It is on in the background. Now they are traveling in a Mini-Moke?
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Any night owls left up are going to be begging for some clean, wholesome Herman’s Hermits action. I’m switching to Ferguson in a bit.
ETA: Keep telling yourself that. The Jag looked real to me. But I agree: criminally gratuitous auto abuse.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: It looked real to me as well, but leave me my illusions. Please.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
We will speak of it no more.
Still can’t believe where this movie is going. And yet I cannot turn away.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: I might try the second episode of “Graceland” on demand and then to bed.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Was Dave Clark carrying a pogo stick?
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Let me know if it’s any good. The promos for that show have been extremely off-putting to me, like “NCIS: L.A. meets one of those MTV ‘put a bunch of cute idiots in a house’ shows.”
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Sadly, yes.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: I watched episode one the other day and it was a bit intriguing. I want to see if it goes the direction you fear or it it becomes interesting.
Steeplejack
For Gogol’s Wife’s husband, and so everyone can relive the high point of Pop Gear tonight: the gold pants dance number.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: At this point, I have decided to clear my mind of the Dave Clark thing with a mixture of Social Distortion and Francoise Hardy. It works, mate!
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Wide-screen splendor.
ETA: All those women are in their 70s now.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Oh, dear.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Too right. I was about to make myself a stiff drink and reach for the Sandie Shaw “Girl Don’t Come.”
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack:
Boorman is probably the most variable director, well, ever. You either get something really good, like Hope and Glory, or you get utter shite. There’s no in-between.
Groucho48
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Hurricane Tunch would have all of us heading for Minnesota.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Go with Hardy. She is both French and gorgeous.
ETA: And talented. That was originally assumed, but made explicit, just in case.
Steeplejack
@Mnemosyne:
Point Blank is a gem. Some of his others I like a lot despite their excesses. But when he is awful he is God-awful.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: Point Blank is brilliant. Excalibur is good.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
I like Françoise Hardy, but I had to go British to try to restore my faith in the genre.
Petula Clark, “I Know a Place.”
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@Steeplejack: For the other side, this is my best going home and going to bed song. This song is perfect.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Night-night.
Elizabelle
@NotMax:
Thank you. Fall 66/1967. That’s the time. Them were the boots. (White.)
Do you remember the I. Coca show?
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):
Maybe it was the producer’s wife’s lover’s E-Jag? Bye bye, big cat.
Missed the whole DC5 movie. Sheer luck, it sounds.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack:
How did you find it!
Should be mandatory viewing at all future BJ meetups.
Elizabelle
FYWP. Gold pants and all.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
Remember it well. Big Coca fan. Seeing her live on Broadway in On the Twentieth Century was a special treat. Also starred John Cullum, Kevin Kline and Madeline Kahn.
Somewhat later and less manic concert reprise of her show-stopping number here.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
From the time period, white ones worn by the background dancer in the red dress.
Keith G
I have lived on the Texas Gulf coast for 30 years. I call bullshit on the conclusion of this study. Not only is there no intuitive sense to it, I have seen no practical behaviors that hint that this is going on.
John M. Burt
@RaflW: “She’d probably be in her early 50s now, and must be about the very last woman named Gay in this country… ”
Or maybe one of those newfangled same-sex married couples will decide to name their little girl Gay.
JimL
Pretty sure that evolution’s gene pool improvement strategy in Texas involves a pickup truck and a flooded intersection.
artem1s
@Litlebritdifrnt:
ummm, how is it that they wouldn’t rate Sandy as gender neutral?
and choosing to leave is far different than being able to leave. How the hell did they measure THAT? See Brownie, Katrina Heckofajob
artem1s
@JPL:
oooh, tag them with the landfall place, St. Reagan of Charleston; St. Reagan of Homestead; St. Reagan of New Orleans; etc
Caravell
I haven’t read al the comments but I tend to agree with the scepticism, especially if all hurricanes before 1978 had female names; then again it’s a PNAS paper, I’d expect them to account for such an obvious confounder. Has anyone read the paper ? (again, haven’t gone through al the comments)
I’ve started doing so; once I’m done I’ll actually check the comments to see if anyone’s done it yet (surely in 222 comments…), and if nobody has I’ll report on what it says.
Right in the intro they already point out that all storms had female names at first, so it a priori looks like they’d take it into account (they also refer to lab experiments). I’m mostly saying this to copy this bit I found amusing :
“A different era”, how genteel :)
lol
@Keith G:
Well, there wouldn’t be any explicit “I’m not afraid of no woman hurricane” behavior. It’s just that when there’s a hurricane that *might* come your way, you might be less inclined to think it’ll go a different direction if it’s named for a guy.
You know, the same sort of unconscious behavior that drives a lot of discriminatory actions.
I suspect the earlier women-name-only years were included as a control group but I haven’t seen the study.
Caravelle
You know what I’m way to lazy to read the whole comment thread after all; I’ll take a fruitless search for “paper” to be sufficient.
The main findings of the paper aren’t based on the correlation, but on several experiments they did comparing how people evaluated the severity of a hypothetical male-named, female-named and unnamed hurricane, whether or not they intended to take precautions such as evacuation or following an evacuation order and so on. They controlled for various features of the name like how masculine or feminine they were, how common they were, how old people with that name were, etc. The results all pointed to male-named hurricanes being considered more dangerous than female-named ones; whether the effect sizes were significant (in the vernacular, not statistical sense; of course they were statistically significant) is something I can’t speak to. (interestingly people seemed to react to unnamed hurricanes the same way they did to female ones, which the researchers interpreted as being because all hurricanes used to have female names so it’s still seen as a kind of “default”. In that case it woudn’t be so much that people think female hurricanes are innoffensive but that they think male ones are particularly dangerous).
Obviously this goes without saying and I’m not saying it to rain on the delightful snark parade, but this is a matter of implicit bias and wasn’t limited to people with explicit sexisst beliefs.
On the specific issue of how all hurricanes before a certain time being female affects the correlation, the only mention I found of it was in the methods section :
So it does look like they took it into account.
Paul in KY
Did they exclude ‘Camille’?
Caravelle
@artem1s: The name of the hurricane doesn’t affect your ability to leave though.
mere mortal
Sure, the easy explanation is that ingrained sexism leads people to disrespect the power of storms if they are feminized.
However, have you considered an alternate possibility, that female storms kill more people because bitches be crazy?