You Can’t Make This Stuff Up

The New York Times reports today about a fundamentalist Christian college courting controversy from within by changing the statement of belief its faculty must sign.  Here’s the nub of the matter for Bryan College — named for Scopes Trial/Cross of Gold star-turn William Jennings Bryan:

Since its founding in 1930, Bryan College’s statement of belief, which professors have to sign as part of their employment contracts, included a 41-word section summing up the institution’s conservative views on creation and evolution, including the statement: “The origin of man was by fiat of God.” But in February, college officials decided that professors had to agree to an additional clarification declaring that Adam and Eve “are historical persons created by God in a special formative act, and not from previously existing life-forms.”

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To their credit, both students and faculty are objecting to the change, but what got me was this defense from the president of the college as to why it was so important to rein in creeping strands of inquiry:

Dr. Livesay said that Bryan’s leaders were determined to proceed with the clarification.

“I don’t think you have to believe the Bryan way in order to be a strong evangelical,” he said. “But this is Bryan College, and this is something that’s important to us. It’s in our DNA. It’s who we are.”

Res ipsa loquitur.

Image:  Michaelangelo, The Creation of Eve from the Sistine Chapel Ceiling, 1509-10

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123 replies
  1. 1
    wenchacha says:

    Jesus wept.

  2. 2
    ulee says:

    Welcome to 1393. God willing it will be a good year.

  3. 3
    raven says:

    To go to work in any state agency, including state colleges and universities, in Georgia you have to sign a loyalty oath.

  4. 4
    scav says:

    Fiat fatue!

  5. 5
    beltane says:

    Wait a minute. What is someone who believes that Adam was created by Mr. God out of a lump of clay doing talking about something, anything, being in his DNA? The Bible does not mention DNA and neither should Mr. Livesay (where do these names come from by the way?)

  6. 6
    beltane says:

    @scav: How many fundies can fit in a Fiat anyway?

  7. 7
    Iowa Old Lady says:

    Oh, hee. In their DNA!

  8. 8
    scav says:

    @beltane: I think they’d melt in an European car in any case, so lots.

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  10. 10
    the Conster says:

    It’s almost like some people take pride in their ignorance.

  11. 11
    Baud says:

    that Adam and Eve “are historical persons created by God in a special formative act, and not from previously existing life-forms.”

    Um… Wasn’t Eve created from a preexisting life form? Namely, Adam.

  12. 12
    Cpl Cam says:

    Know what else is in your DNA? 98% of a chimpanzee, you mook.

  13. 13
    scav says:

    @the Conster: So proud they need the proper diploma to announce it to the world. Testify!

  14. 14
    BGinCHI says:

    DNA: Divine Numerical Algorithm.

    Fixed.

  15. 15
    beltane says:

    @Cpl Cam: Chimpanzees must be embarrassed to share so much DNA with idiot humans.

  16. 16
    PsiFighter37 says:

    William Jennings Bryan was the 3-time DEMOCRAT nominee for president, libtards! Stop being so racist.

  17. 17
    jl says:

    @ulee: Naw, man, that is insulting. Religious thought in Europe had advanced far beyond Bryan College theology by 1393.

  18. 18
    ulee says:

    @Emma: Can’t get it but I’m sure
    God was on the case and assisting those in harms way.

  19. 19
    the Conster says:

    @scav:

    Bryan College – “we’re proudly dumber than those poseurs from Liberty University!”

  20. 20
    jl says:

    @Baud:

    ” Wasn’t Eve created from a preexisting life form? Namely, Adam. ”

    Good catch. My Bryan College fundamentalist faith lies in ruins.

  21. 21
    Amir Khalid says:

    As a general rule, do Christian universities like Bryan College admit only Christian students and hire only Christian faculty? I can’t see an institution that demands signed statements attesting to such beliefs being otherwise, but I’d like confirmation.

  22. 22
    Cpl Cam says:

    @beltane: I’m sure the bonobos passing around bananas and handjobs know who the more “advanced” species is…

  23. 23
    Walker says:

    I worked at a conservative Catholic University for years. Not quite as conservative as Stuebenville or Christendom College, but close. We had many faculty discussions about what the Magisterium did and did not allow you to say in class. It largely did not affect me in STEM, but I cannot imagine how you would be humanities professor at such a school.

  24. 24
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Amir Khalid: Well, they’re only, or only supposed to be, supported by the public through the magic of tax breaks. And subsidized student loans, I guess.

    Of course, some local governments have gone much, much further.

    If they say all their instructors are ministers then the terms of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with respect to employment as well as Equal Protection don’t apply.

  25. 25
    Walker says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    There is no one answer to this. Some do, many do not. I worked at a very conservative Catholic university that had a significant Muslim population (go figure).

  26. 26
    Anoniminous says:

    @Cpl Cam:

    And half of the difference has to do with Chimpanzee’s superior sense of smell. Knock that out. Add another 2 rounds of neural development in their cortex and – voila! – something very close to human results.

  27. 27
    Schlemizel says:

    @Baud: WIN!

    as for Byran college:
    “You shall not press down upon the brow of scholarship this crown of evolution. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of DNA.”

  28. 28
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Generally speaking, yes. Technically, anyone willing to sign the pledge could be hired, so in theory a Muslim or Hindu who’s willing to follow their rules could be hired, but usually only other Christians are willing to do it. Frankly, these are usually “Bible colleges,” where the main purpose is to mingle with other Christians and possibly go into ministry, not get an actual college education.

    ETA: IIRC, such pledges also include stuff like “I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior” etc.

  29. 29
    Quaker in a Basement says:

    @Cpl Cam: Chimps everywhere take special pride in the other two percent.

  30. 30
    burnspbesq says:

    @Cpl Cam:

    Um… Wasn’t Eve created from a preexisting life form?

    There’s a special circle of Hell reserved for nit-pickers like you.

  31. 31
    Anoniminous says:

    @Walker:

    I infer you didn’t teach Biology. Although as despicably loathsome as I find the Roman Catholic Church they are nowhere near as ignorant, brain dead, or anti-science as low church Protestants.

  32. 32
    danielx says:

    Irony, thy name is Livesay.

  33. 33
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Walker:

    Usually, though, Catholic universities don’t make the students sign pledges to adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church (though they often enforce it in other ways), and the teachers don’t have to be professing Catholics to be hired. The teachers may be restricted in what they can say or not say, but they usually don’t have to sign a pledge professing a specific set of beliefs to get hired.

    (I went to a Jesuit university for grad school, which was conservative but not really what you meant by “conservative Catholic” because, well, they’re Jesuits.)

  34. 34
    burnspbesq says:

    @Baud:

    There’s a special circle of Hell reserved for nit-pickers like you.

  35. 35
    srv says:

    You people better be careful with these kinds of stories as the Wingularity nears. At some point, you are going to break the internets.

  36. 36
    Belafon says:

    “It’s in our DNA.”

    It also seems like the college’s position is…evolving.

  37. 37
    jl says:

    @Baud:

    ” Wasn’t Eve created from a preexisting life form? Namely, Adam. ”

    Oh shit, I forgot. You, sir, have revealed yourself to be a Yahwist. Obviously, Bryan is of the Priestly school, where A and E were created together.

    Anyway, amazing that anybody could think that two very contradictory and inconsistent creation stories strung one after the other, probably to satisfy two different Jewish traditions, could be literally, actually, historically true.

    I also just noticed that in the middle of the fruitful and multiply, subdue and dominion stuff, there is a command to ‘replenish the earth’. I’ll send Inhofe a note and ask him what that bit is supposed to mean. Maybe Satan slipped that part in.

  38. 38
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amir Khalid: A serious church connected university (e.g. Georgetown) would not require such a thing. It takes its reputation a scholarly institution too seriously, plus research money would dry up pretty quickly. OTOH, the kind of schools Mnem mentioned want only their own kind. I was not previously aware of this particular school, but I suspect that it closer to the latter type.

  39. 39
    cmorenc says:

    BTW: One of the most unintentionally hilarious statues in the entire USA is in the lowest floor of the LDS visitor’s center in Temple Square in Salt Lake City (I think it’s in the north rather than south visitor’s center building). It is a white marble statue of Adam and Eve regretfully departing the Garden of Eden – dressed as if they’re on their way to a Toga party.

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    Lizzy L says:

    It took until 1950 for them to do it, but the Catholic Church Magisterium accepts Darwinian evolution. The 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church (I’m looking at the paperback edition) is very clear that not everything in Scripture need be understand literally. It speaks about the symbolism of biblical language. The six days of creation are considered symbolic, not literal. Catholics may believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis if they wish, or not — it is left up to the conscience of the individual Catholic.

    However, somewhere, Thomas Aquinas is reading the statement from Bryan College and giggling uncontrollably.

  41. 41
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    One of G’s friends from high school has the honor of being a bible school dropout. He’s still an evangelical, but much more on the Fred Clark/Slacktivist side of the slate.

  42. 42
    jl says:

    Lewis Black on the Old Testament

    Lewis Black – The Old Testament
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

  43. 43
    scav says:

    @jl: A&E but what of the fair Lilith? She is of the same earth as Adam, not the beribbed bebotoxed trophy wife.

  44. 44
    raven says:

    Jesus, the polls have been closed for an hour-and-a-half and zip results!!!!

  45. 45
    raven says:

    @scav: Do they still have the Lilith Fair?

  46. 46
    RareSanity says:

    @Belafon:

    It also seems like the college’s position is…evolving.

    Did you put on sunglasses toward the end of typing that?

  47. 47
    Belafon says:

    OT: Please take a couple of minutes to go see Return of the Jedi as done by David Lynch (link to littlegreenfootballs), who was asked by Lucas to direct the third film. A group called C-SPIT made the video.

  48. 48
    scav says:

    @raven: Only her hairdresser knows. Because she’s worth it.

  49. 49
    JPL says:

    @raven: I have not linked to the Secretary of State site yet but the early returns show Kingston according to the AJC. The Savannah area must of reported. imo

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    raven says:

    @JPL: Yea, you would think little Clarke County we be counted pretty quickly. We have a couple of hum dingers going here.

  52. 52
    BruceJ says:

    @wenchacha: Jesus did a spit take, more like…

  53. 53
    stickler says:

    @Amir Khalid: Amir, I would think that — given the various clauses in the Civil Rights Act, and the strings attached to Federal student loan funding — it would be very difficult indeed to keep any college’s student body restricted to members of one religious sect. In fact, unless they reject Federal student loans entirely, it should be completely impossible.

    So no, it’s not common and it should be practically impossible.

  54. 54
    ulee says:

    @raven: Blame the oldsters. It’s all the rage these days.

  55. 55
    JPL says:

    @raven: Yup .. I just went to the Secretary of State and no reports from Clarke and no reports from the Atlanta counties that are suppose to support Handel.

    Michelle Nunn won though

  56. 56
    BBA says:

    William Jennings Bryan said:

    Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.

    but he also said:

    Plutocracy is abhorrent to a republic; it is more despotic than monarchy, more heartless than aristocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. . . . The time is ripe for the overthrow of this giant wrong.

    They don’t make rural populists like they used to.

  57. 57
    Roger Moore says:

    @beltane:

    How many fundies can fit in a Fiat anyway?

    Before or after they’ve been run through a homogenizer?

  58. 58
    jl says:

    @scav:

    ” A&E but what of the fair Lilith? She is of the same earth as Adam, not the beribbed bebotoxed trophy wife. ”

    Your are engaging in prideful questioning of authority which is leading you into confusion and doubt. Your soul is in danger. You got some cold ones in the fridge, now is a good time to drink ’em all and calm down. Watch some sports.

  59. 59
    raven says:

    @JPL: Kingston and Perdue big here, if the fucking idiot doctor Broun can’t win here he’s toast.

  60. 60
    Emma says:

    For when anyone in the endeavor to prove the faith brings forward reasons which are not cogent, he falls under the ridicule of the unbelievers: since they suppose that we stand upon such reasons, and that we believe on such grounds.” – St. Thomas Aquinas

  61. 61
    Belafon says:

    @raven: Here’s a link.

  62. 62
    ulee says:

    When I was a teenager I saw a man wearing a yellow dress in the mall. I thought it was hilarious and told it to everyone I could tell. My grandfather looked at me skeptically and said, “Well, to each his own.” He taught me a lesson that day. Good person.

  63. 63
    JPL says:

    @raven: haha.. So who do I vote for in the runoff between Kingston and Perdue?

  64. 64
    raven says:

    @Belafon: Thanks

  65. 65
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    As long as you toe the Divine Line, you can have academic freedom.

    Otherwise, STFU, heathen scum.

  66. 66
    raven says:

    @JPL: They are pretty much the same.

  67. 67
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @BBA: They all became Southern Republicans and converted to the religion of Big Business

  68. 68
    Roger Moore says:

    @Walker:

    I cannot imagine how you would be humanities professor at such a school.

    I suspect the way to do it is to adopt a medieval approach to the humanities. For most of the material, the professor’s job is to teach the students the truth and the students’ job is to prove they have learned it by regurgitating what the professor has told them. The only area where students are likely to get much chance to show any independent thought is in rhetoric.

  69. 69
    JPL says:

    @raven: I don’t think a dem has a chance but I do think if Michelle is going to win, it would be against Kingston. His comment about kids mopping the floor for lunch was awful. (paraphrasing)

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    scav says:

    @jl: Soul? Any soul I have is either Northern and vinyl or leather and trod upon. Not close enough to a good fish market to make it any more confusing than that. Prideful? My passport’s indeed been stamped in all the circles, and I’ve favorite B&B’s in a few.

  71. 71
    Dolly Llama says:

    @Amir Khalid: It’s been some years ago – like 15 or thereabouts, but, yes, I had to sign such a statement to teach a journalism class at my local missionary mill. Had to tell them how I had come to Christ, the whole nine. I lied like hell. The students needed decent journalistic instruction and I needed the bread.

  72. 72
    raven says:

    @JPL: yup

  73. 73
    Roger Moore says:

    @jl:

    Oh shit, I forgot. You, sir, have revealed yourself to be a Yahwist. Obviously, Bryan is of the Priestly school, where A and E were created together.

    And you have proven yourself to be a believer in the documentary hypothesis, which fundamentalists are not willing to accept. The Books of Moses were written by Moses, not assembled by a millennium later.

  74. 74
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The Books of Moses were written by Moses, not assembled by a millennium later.

    He wrote them while sipping a margarita on a Red Sea beach.

  75. 75
    JPL says:

    @raven: In a perfect world Nunn would make an ad showing kids mopping floors and bullies mocking them. Instead she’ll give a lengthy comment on why he’s wrong, that will be taken out of context.

    also.. yes I’m cynical because I live in GA.

  76. 76
    Lizzy L says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Heretic! It was a pina colada!

  77. 77
    jl says:

    @Roger Moore:

    ” not assembled by a millennium later. ”

    If a millennium had written it, there would be more snarky dialogue, and snotty supercilious hipster observations. I find your millennium hypothesis very hard to believe.

  78. 78
    Roger Moore says:

    @scav:

    Any soul I have is either Northern and vinyl or leather and trod upon.

    Not Rubber? I have a Rubber Soul, and it’s fantastic.

  79. 79
    raven says:

    @JPL: I have three friends running for the same council seat so I’m really focused on that. They gerrymandered Athens so the progressive and African-American areas are in the same district.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    toe the Divine Line

    Oh Blinding Light
    Oh Light Divine
    I cannot see
    Look out for me!

    ooof

    Hello, dear friends, and welcome to Pastor Flash’s Hour of Reckoning.
    With Organ Leroy, at his organ again. I’m deacon E. L. Mouse —

    but dear friends, in these days of modern times, when you can’t tell the ACs from the DCs —
    well, aren’t we all yearning for someone who can turn on a little “stopping power” ?

  81. 81
    Dolly Llama says:

    @raven: “Packing and cracking.” That shit ain’t nothing new. Good to read you here and keep up with you. Not been commenting much, but good to see you.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    I’ve never understood legislating belief.

    I’m perhaps an odd atheist, especially given that I did go to a religiously affiliated college in spite of never being a believer, and I like going to seders and masses and all that. But I sometimes get the sense that I have greater respect for belief than many believers. The only point for having such a contract is to reassure some 3rd party that you are willing to say that you believe something, and my guess is that for many people it’s really an expression that you’re willing to lie about your beliefs. Seems awfully counterproductive to me.

  83. 83
    Ian says:

    @PsiFighter37:
    Little remembered today was William Jennings Bryan was a progressive (for his time). While he held views compatable with todays fundamentalists, he also wanted to erase the gold standard. He wanted to help the economic situation of farmers by debasing the currency of the powerful and wealthy (his famous Cross of Thorns speech).

    Bryan was also outspent ten to one in the 1896 election, something that people who live in todays Citizens United era can appreciate.

    He was a flawed charecter, but I think he is a valuable part of US history. The politicians who followed in his wake created much of the historical ‘Progressive” period between 1900-1920. Today we unfortunatly remember him as the witness who broke down in the scopes trial.

  84. 84
    raven says:

    @Dolly Llama: backatcha

  85. 85
    raven says:

    My council race is tight as a tick and only my polling place is not in!

  86. 86
    TriassicSands says:

    @the Conster:

    “It’s almost like some people take pride in their ignorance.”

    Almost? These guys are like some birds of paradise doing courtship displays — only instead of beautiful plummage, they’re showing off their stupidity and ignorance. Dancing up and down, they cry out, “Look at me, look at me, I’m an idiot!”

    If this bozo admits to the existence of DNA, and then scientists show him just how similar human and chimp DNA is, does he simply write it off as coincidence, deny that scientists got that part correct, or fabricate some other Biblically/divinely inspired explanation?

  87. 87
    gnomedad says:

    That was my first car — a 1970 Fiat Voluntastua.

  88. 88
    GregB says:

    Nice to see Karen Handel sucking pondwater and joining Liz Cheney in the everybody hates me club.

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    Punchy says:

    How does one teach biology at said school? Wipe out all chapters on DNA mutation, microbes, antibiotic-resistant pathogens, and immunoglobulins?

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    JPL says:

    @GregB: Her votes are suppose to come from the Atlanta counties which are slow to reporting. If Nunn is to have a chance, it would be better against Handel.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Punchy: Some of the bible bashers accept micro evolution, but not macro.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: I’m shocked on how many counties supported Broun. We live in strange times.

  94. 94
    scav says:

    @Roger Moore: Souls of Rubbers! Well, that is rather theologically racy, I’ll have to check them out. Circa ’69 by any chance?

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    raven says:

    @JPL: He only got 31% in his home county.

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    FYWP just ate a long comment about how a Buddhist friend of mine got around these sorts of crazy restrictions while teaching at a uni which insisted that archaeology was a sub-discipline of bible studies.

  97. 97
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: Is Kingston the craziest one? Or is impossible to really say?

  98. 98
    Keith G says:

    @Ian: WJB was perhaps the most prominent voice against American imperialism in the 1890s.

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    Petorado says:

    I wonder if any heads would explode down at Bryan if it was explained to them that a system ensuring that only the most pure anti-evolutionary “evangelical DNA” survived among the professorial class at their institution was a form of social Darwinism?

  100. 100
    Walker says:

    @Anoniminous:

    They never interferred with the Biologists. Conservative catholics, by and large, do not have a problem with evolution.

    Their primary concern was history. No non-clergical faculty was ever permitted to ever say what the Church believes or what the Church did believe. This is a lot of fun at a school that was a Great Books, Western Tradition school.

  101. 101
    JPL says:

    Kingston and Perdue are the least crazy but truthfully they are repubs and now a days, it’s measured in millimeters.

  102. 102
    raven says:

    @JPL: The two MD’s and the woman.

  103. 103
    Amir Khalid says:

    @TheMightyTrowel:
    I do hope you try again. I’m dying to know what ingenious trick your friend came up with.

  104. 104
    JPL says:

    @raven: haha.. It’s still measured in millimeters. Truth be known, if a Repub takes the state as expected, he will fall in line and do as told.

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    raven says:

    @JPL: You checked out this preacher Hice over here? What a moron.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: Who would have thought that they would vote for someone to the right of Broun. That is a tight squeeze.

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    GregB says:

    @JPL: Lies from the pit of hell!

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @Amir Khalid: she spent 2 days driving up and down every street in the small texas city where the university was based making a list of every church and its denomination. She went on the internet, found a tiny, devout hard-line protestant denomination that was not represented and wrote a passionate letter to the head of the bible studies department about how that specific denomination spoke to her so loudly that she found it inconceivable a church was not present in said small Texas city. She declared herself convinced that she could not possibly conceive of attending any services except the ones offered by that small weird denomination and hoped that her lack of attendance at the godless services available wouldn’t hinder her prospects in the department. they ate that shit up.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TheMightyTrowel: She took the liberty of bullshitting them.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Walker:

    I know RCCs don’t have A Thing with evolution, should have made that clear in my post. My bad.

    I am, however, rolling my eyes at, “No non-clergical faculty was ever permitted to ever say what the Church believes or what the Church did believe.” It is impossible to teach Western Civilization without referring to Augustine and Aquinas and to hand-wave around the fact “the Church” did believe their writings is, well, hand-waving.

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    raven says:

    Well, my two friends in runoff!

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @stickler:

    I would think that — given the various clauses in the Civil Rights Act, and the strings attached to Federal student loan funding — it would be very difficult indeed to keep any college’s student body restricted to members of one religious sect. In fact, unless they reject Federal student loans entirely, it should be completely impossible.

    The point of these Believing Academies is not to reject students of non-compliant faiths, it’s to insist that all students follow the required forms and shibboleths. A Muslim student who was willing to attend mandatory BA chapel/religious instruction, or an Orthodox Jew who didn’t mind not being able to get kashrut meals, would (at least in theory) be welcome to attend Believers Academy. In fact, some ‘traditionalist’ non-Christians are happier at Christian schools where drinking, dancing, and mingling between the genders is discouraged than at ‘permissive’ schools where other students may not understand why anyone would choose to restrict their own behavior.

    But the schools aren’t allowed to take Federal money — not even at second hand, through state scholarships for their students — and still tell students they have to attend religious classes or pledge to stay virgins. That leads to decades-long court battles for schools like Hillsdale College, which started before the Civil War as a place where free Blacks and women could get educations, but has since devolved into a fundamentalist veal pen where even state scholarships are rejected for fear of Big Gubmint interference.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Ian:

    He wanted to help the economic situation of farmers by debasing the currency of the powerful and wealthy (his famous Cross of Thorns Gold speech).

    Cross of Gold, not thorns. I actually have an election poster from one of his runs from my Great Grandparent’s farmhouse where it is quite explicit.

  114. 114
    Tehanu says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The Books of Moses were written by Moses

    I’m assuming you’re being ironic, unless you’re actually arguing that Moses wrote the description of his own death.
    @joel hanes:

    Oh Blinding Light
    Oh Light that blinds
    I cannot see
    Look out for me!

    Small mistake in the 2nd line. You could also have quoted “Marching to Shibboleth:” “Oh, we’re marching, marching to Omaha, With the buckram and the cord!”

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    Ian says:

    @J R in WV:
    Thank you. You are quite correct. Ian + a few.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    statement of belief, which professors have to sign as part of their employment contracts, included a 41-word section summing up the institution’s conservative views on creation and evolution, including the statement: “The origin of man was by fiat of God.” But in February, college officials decided that professors had to agree to an additional clarification declaring that Adam and Eve “are historical persons created by God in a special formative act, and not from previously existing life-forms.”

    “But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

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    jonas says:

    @Amir Khalid: Pretty much SOP at fundie schools like Byant, Bob Jones, Liberty, etc. I can’t see how they have accreditation, however, not from the usual sanctioning bodies, anyway.

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    jonas says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The Books of Moses were written by Moses

    In 6th C. BC ancient Hebrew, by a guy trained and raised by…Egyptians.

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    Betty says:

    Don’t know if it is still the case, but Messiah College in PA used to make instructors pledge not to dance!

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    Barry says:

    @Amir Khalid: “As a general rule, do Christian universities like Bryan College admit only Christian students and hire only Christian faculty? I can’t see an institution that demands signed statements attesting to such beliefs being otherwise, but I’d like confirmation. ”

    No, they hire only ‘Christian faculty’ (and staff) and admit only ‘Christian’ students, where ‘Christian’ means ‘their own sect’.

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    Talentless Hack says:

    Michelangelo likes his women a little on the chubby side.

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    C.V. Danes says:

    Also, you know, that Jesus was white, and occasionally likes to show up on pieces of toast and whatnot to let you know he’s still around.

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    swbarnes2 says:

    @Lizzy L:

    It took until 1950 for them to do it, but the Catholic Church Magisterium accepts Darwinian evolution.

    Not entirely. Catholic teaching still includes belief in a historical Adam and Eve.

    From that 1950 encyclical

    For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents.

    The encyclical is clear, they don’t think the whole Original Sin doctrine works unless all humans are descended from a single couple. Modern genetics tells us that at its smallest, the human population was a few thousand.

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