Why Is It?

Can someone please explain why the people who absolutely should not be around guns are the ones most avidly defending gun rights? Is it because they know they shouldn’t be within a country mile of a firearm so gun control scares them? Do they just have small dicks and need a gun and pick-em-up truck to affirm their masculinity? What is wrong with these people:

As Jennifer Longdon steered her wheelchair through the Indianapolis airport on April 25, she thought the roughest part of her trip was over. Earlier that day she’d participated in an emotional press conference with the new group Everytown for Gun Safety, against the backdrop of the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting. A mom, gun owner, and Second Amendment supporter, Longdon was paralyzed in 2004 after being shot in her car by unknown assailants, and has since been a vocal advocate for comprehensive background checks and other gun reforms.

As Longdon sat waiting for her flight, a screen in the concourse showed footage of the press conference. A tall, thin man standing nearby stared at Longdon, then back at the screen. Then he walked up to Longdon and spat in her face. No one else blinked.

Longdon was shocked and embarrassed, she told me, but she didn’t falter. “Wow, aren’t you a big man,” she said as he turned and walked away. Instead of calling for security, she wheeled herself to a restroom to clean herself off. She was tired—she lives with constant physical pain—and didn’t want to miss her flight.

***

After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, “like something out of a commando movie,” Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. “Don’t you wish you had a gun now, bitch?” he scoffed before taking off.

“It was like a mock execution,” Longdon says, recalling the intense surge of adrenaline and how the incident triggered her PTSD from the 2004 attack that nearly killed her and her fiancé. She called the police, but they were unable to track down the perpetrator. By the following Saturday, Longdon was back at her post helping run the buyback.

“I’ve been about as broken as I can be by gun violence,” she says, “so I’m just not going to be afraid of it again.”

The majority of gun owners in America are good people, she adds. “I wish that more responsible gun owners would step into this conversation and say ‘Look, those guys don’t speak for us.'”

These are just damaged, deranged, sad, and because of the current status of gun control, heavily armed sociopaths who shouldn’t be allowed near toenail clippers. This country is nuts.

136 replies
  1. 1
    beth says:

    He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. “Don’t you wish you had a gun now, bitch?” he scoffed before taking off.

    This is how fucking stupid these people are – if she had a gun, you’d be dead.

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    Waldo says:

    It’s not for nuthin they’re called gun nuts.

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    KG says:

    @beth: he was obviously wearing his invincible panties that night

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    To threaten or attack a woman in a wheelchair is to be a pathetic piece of shit walking around in an ill-fitting man suit.
    Owning a fucking howitzer wouldn’t move these assholes one millimeter closer to manhood and, deep down, they know it.

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    Forked Tongue says:

    Huh? Whut?

    Can someone please explain why the people who absolutely should not be around guns are the ones most avidly defending gun rights
    ?

    Really? You need that explained?

    Hint: It’s because the people who most think they need guns just to cope with living in the modern world are exactly the same ones least able to manage living in the modern world. Is that difficult?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Did you see our own Southern Beale’s post on the female mannequin target?

    These people are beyond pathological.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Rhetorical question, right?

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    Can someone please explain why the people who absolutely should not be around guns are the ones most avidly defending gun rights?

    They’re afraid that they won’t be able to fulfill their greatest fantasy: shooting someone for committing the crime of wearing a hoody while carrying a bag of Skittles. Or playing the hip-hop to loudly. Or just for being near.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    I think Jim Carrey captured the psychology and “spirituality” of those types rather nicely in his “Cold dead hands” song….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Wn3Eey6dY

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    trollhattan says:

    This makes a fine pairing with today’s revelation of Sandy Hook truthers. We are a sick, sick people.

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    Morzer says:

    These people are just sad, frightened little losers in a culture that promotes paranoia and justifies violence.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: Those shites cling to their guns because they desperately want to be in fights, but NEED those fights to be unfair.

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    Tokyokie says:

    A few days ago, some of these losers were doing some sort of open-carry protest near my house, and I rolled down my window to tell the one standing in the median with his assault rifle that people who feel compelled to publicly display and even fondle their penile substitutes are not patriots, they’re perverts, and they’re all mentally unfit to have guns. Alas, he moved across the street to rejoin his clan of perverts, and I literally wasn’t going to drive out of my way to deal with them.

    But they’re perverts, believing in pathetic delusions of dispensing violence, and the only difference between the NRA and NAMBLA is that the former is socially acceptable. And it’s high time to change that and for non-perverts to call them what they are: sick and twisted perverts.

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    Wag says:

    heavily armed sociopaths who shouldn’t be allowed near toenail clippers

    I;m not sure i’d let them near toenail clippers, either,. The risk of toenail fungus after 10 clips for some of these monsters’ feet could be deadly.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    Here’s the thing: I used to try to reason with the gun nuts. Told them I respected the second amendment and all that, and no, I didn’t support rounding up their guns.

    Now? I think the second amendment was the second biggest mistake since slavery, and I’m all for taking their guns away. These people aren’t defending us from tyranny — they are tyranny.

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    NotMax says:

    Real close friend, one whose home is chock-a-block with guns (locked in a safe), swords, knives, etc. – he just a thing for them, but is an aware and responsible owner – and with whom have had a mutual pact to agree to disagree and try to avoid discussing guns and Second Amendment issues for over 25 years now, came up to me at our group’s weekly gathering two weeks ago and said, “I want to apologize. You’ve been right all this time.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Wag:

    after 10 clips

    They’re called magazines, not clips!

    /gun nut

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    🌷 Martin says:

    I think Frum nailed it.

    1. The gun issue allows conservatives to express ethnic and cultural anxieties in ways that are not overtly racial.

    America is changing in ways many conservatives find unwelcome. The election of Barack Obama symbolized those changes—and has in turn accelerated them. As the spectacular flameout of Cliven Bundy demonstrates, most conservatives find it difficult to express their opposition to these changes in ways that resonate with a large public. Gun owners have found that way.

    2. Gun advocates’ policy prescriptions do not favor the wealthy.

    3. Gun advocates offer their supporters not just ideological gratification, but actual personal empowerment.

    At a time when so many people—and especially so many white men—feel devalued and undermined by powerful unseen but inimical forces, gun advocates put the power to deal death at the touch of a button right into their supporters’ hands. Nobody feels powerless when he holds a gun.

    (with much condensing on my part)

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    burnspbesq says:

    If I were to walk into a fast food joint, convenience store, or supermarket and encounter a bunch of open-carry advocates, I would call 911, loudly. Given the abysmal state of training of most gun fetishists, they’re all inherently dangerous. Yeah, it’s harassment; you’re damn right it’s harassment. I’m being harassed by an armed man. In most states, that’s still assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, I’ll press charges. Especially if it’s Los Angeles County, where the DA is a buddy of mine from law school.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    @NotMax: For like a decade now, I’ve been wondering when/whether Americans will have this moment of realization that they’ve gone way off the deep end, a kind of whoa moment. I picture it as a collective realization, but it seems to be more of a steady trickle, person by person.

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Makes one look anew and askance at all those kids of yore who proverbially worked their way through college by selling magazines.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @burnspbesq: I am sure some ambitious prosecutor would be able to construct a conspiracy charge.

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    leeleeFL says:

    Saw this story earlier and would have thought it was proof that the end was around the corner….but I had seen the article about the psycho who told the SandyHook Mom her child did not exist. Sadly, the end is not here yet…we will live with this mental illness a while longer methinks….more’s the pity.

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Toe magazines sounds like a thing for fetishists….

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: One thing that I find amusing about the gun nuts who insist on magazine instead of clip is that, in the army, clip was a perfectly acceptable informal term. Calling an M-16 a gun was not acceptable even informally; weapon, rifle, or M-16 were pretty much the only terms that I remember being okay. Gun nuts get pedantic over things that don’t mean shit to professionals and then call their weapons guns when, to a professional, gun has a specific meaning.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: I don’t judge people’s personal foibles as long as they involve consenting adults.

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    That’s a reasonable position, provided we stipulate that Jets’ fans are incapable of giving informed consent.

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    NotMax says:

    @The Bearded Blogger

    Nothing to do with guns, but that triggered memory of an absolutely true cute anecdote from many years back.

    Mother, her closest friend (who was a Seventh Day Adventist, which makes it even funnier) and I stopped in someplace in Manhattan for coffee and a nosh after visiting a museum or some such outing.

    At the next table a couple of out-of-towners were chowing down. One of them said to the other, loudly enough to be overheard, “So this is a bagel. They’re great!”

    Mother’s friend leaned over and announced in a stage whisper, “Now let me tell you about the rest of the religion!”

    Hilarity ensued.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: So stipulated.

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    There really is nothing as satisfying as a good old-fashioned bipartisan consensus.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @burnspbesq: If assault is the express or implied threat of violence to force another person to change his or her lawful behavior, then open carry constitutes assault. Unfortunately, perverts in the judiciary have determined that the right to bear arms, whenever and wherever one chooses, is superior to the common-law expectation one has of going about one’s lawful business without suffering a threat of violence, and that the only legal remedy is to similarly publicly disply a firearm.

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    in the army, clip was a perfectly acceptable informal term. Calling an M-16 a gun was not acceptable even informally

    Ditto the Marines.

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    Wag says:

    @Morzer:

    This. Missing from too much of America

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @leeleeFL: sadly, I don’t think it goes away. Can we name one conspiracy that has diminished in acceptance since the invention of the web? I can’t. Cripes, no matter how many interviews he gives, people will still believe that Mikey died of a pop rocks and coca cola explosion and will believe that P&G are Satanists, probably covering up Mary Magdalen’s marriage.

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    marduk says:

    That story about being spit on is a lie and no True Patriotic Gun Owner would ever behave that way.

    If I could find that lying liar I would spit in her face.

    We should find her and spit in her face.

    -every gun rights forum

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    some guy says:

    nothing good ever comes out of a gun

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    burnspbesq says:

    OT:

    If you are short popcorn futures, close that position right now, before you get bankrupted.

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles.....ng-sources

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    some guy says:

    write LTE, demanding to know why your local Republicans are so committed to the idea that the mentally unstable should have access to high powered weaponry.

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    the Conster says:

    I’m not sure it’s mental illness, but gun nuttery is a sickness for sure.

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    Morzer says:

    @trollhattan:

    You have to marvel at the idea of testing your friend’s Kevlar by blasting away at him with serious firepower.

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    MobiusKlein says:

    2000 comments on that Mother Jones thread.

    Holy crap, that’s a lot of hate

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    Fuzzy says:

    @burnspbesq: I hope I see one of these open carry assholes so I can dial 911 to report it.

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    some guy says:

    via ALEC, unfettered access to high power weapons.

    Cliven Bundy, minions, sovereignity.

    white peoplez

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    Morzer says:

    @MobiusKlein:

    Are you really surprised by the hatred those people express for the human race?

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Guess we weren’t professional enough down in that ol’ Mekong Delta because we called them clips.

    The nuts calling their weapons guns is hilarious. In boot camp if you called your rifle a gun you then had to shout:
    “This is my rifle,
    This is my gun,
    One is for shooting,
    The other’s for fun,”
    while running full bore back and forth across the grinder with your rifle held at arm’s length over your head.

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    some guy says:

    the soft bigotry of low expectations, when extreme gun nuts can spit on “reasonable” gun users

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @trollhattan: Idiocy and involuntary manslaughter. Unfortunately, only one is a crime.

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    Jack the Second says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: “Clip” versus “magazine” isn’t pedantic, it’s a shibboleth. They aren’t angry because you used the term wrong, they’re angry because if you say “clip” instead of “magazine”, it indicates you aren’t “one of them”.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Tokyokie:

    Fortunately (or unfortunately, given these idiots’ tendency to walk around with safeties off and rounds in chambers), if you get more than one open-carry advocate in the same place at the same time, one of them is likely to pull it out and brandish it, and that’s where they cross the line into ADW.

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    Morzer says:

    @burnspbesq:

    If we could persuade them to shoot each other, that might be a partial solution to the problem.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @burnspbesq:

    When that happens the NRA will find a case somewhere, push it all the way to SCOTUS. The conservative majority will then rule that shooting someone is a form of speech.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: My gun nut cousin (who is also a member of Arpaio’s volunteer posse in AZ) posts weird shit about clips v. magazines on facebook to “prove” that people in favor of regulation don’t know anything. I point out that the military is cool with the term clip and note that a 30 round mag is often called a “banana clip” and get crickets in response. I can’t defriend her (her dad is my brother’s boss and I don’t want to cause him any trouble), but I have hidden her shit.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    So gun advocates are going to prove they’re rational people by threatening to kill gunshot victims?

    Ooookay.

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    some guy says:

    I am 100% pow pow powsitive Eric Holder and the Secreteray of the Interior will deal aporopriately with armed thugs pointing weapons at the police just south of Las Vegas.

    any day now

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    some guy says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    see Martin, Trayvon

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    From the story (emphasis mine): Deputies said they found no evidence of heavy alcohol or drug use.

    The gri-gri was not strong with that one.

    Or he touched a menstruating woman or walked under a clothesline with panties on it. Or both.

    From the link:

    Driving back into town, we stopped to film the French and African soldiers who were searching vehicles as they passed through military checkpoints. The French officer in charge came over for a chat, which mostly amounted to him telling me what a great job the French army were doing. I asked him whether the African soldiers working alongside the French also believed in magic, or if they too wore the gri-gri.
     
    “Some of them do, but I prefer this,” he replied, tapping his body armour.

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    Joel Hanes says:

    @The Bearded Blogger:

    I’ve been wondering when/whether Americans will have this moment of realization that they’ve gone way off the deep end

    Some of us have been having that moment of realization, daily, ever since Buffalo Springfield recorded For What It’s Worth

    Nixon ? Really? and then CREEP and Watergate and Agnew
    Ford Whipping inflation with pin-on buttons
    Reagan ? The actor? The GE corporate spox ?
    Clinton and this one they impeach. Holy yumpin yeesus
    W and darkness covered the land, and evil deeds done in the darkness
    Obama is near

    We went off the deep end when JFK died, and have never recovered.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    Average temperatures in Las Vegas by month:

    May 88° F (31° C)

    June 100° F (38° C)

    July 106° F (41° C)

    August 103° F (39° C)

    I’m fine with letting nature take its course.

    ETA: And we haven’t even taken monsoon season into account. Most non-desert-dwellers have no idea how to deal with a flooded wash — hell, even a lot of desert dwellers end up fucking up and trying to drive through it.

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    JGabriel says:

    John Cole @ Top:

    What is wrong with these people …

    They’re conservatives.

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    the Conster says:

    @some guy:

    You know, that’s such a cheap and easy thing to say. Think about this. You’ve got some large percentage of white men in America having some kind of mental breakdown/existential mid life crisis because of the near sheriff, armed to the teeth and just loving the idea of someone watering the tree of liberty with Eric Holder (or his proxy) and sparking something across the land. Those fat assed clowns will burn themselves out, then you pick them up, one by one. It’s not getting any cooler in Nevada, and the government owns the land.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jack the Second: You are probably right, but it is funny that, for a while, my profession involved the use of these devices, but because I don’t agree with their conclusions, my opinion and expertize are dismissed. My cousin lives in a half million dollar house paid for by her father and has never worked or been anyplace where she was in actual danger. Higgs Bosun’s Mate spent time in an environment where having a weapon could mean the difference between living and dying. My cousin would dismiss any thing he said if he used the word clip. I really can’t stand these people.*

    *Full disclosure: I own three firearms, two shotguns and a rifle. I didn’t buy any of them – two were gifts, one was inherited. The only one that matters to me is the one I inherited. My grandfather bought in in 1921 when he was 18 and it represented about 6 months of his wages. As he was a remarkably frugal man, this expense is significant. I use it for bird hunting and trap shooting.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @burnspbesq:

    If I were to walk into a fast food joint, convenience store, or supermarket and encounter a bunch of open-carry advocates, I would call 911, loudly.

    Careful:

    After another demonstration in April, a gentleman posted the name and cellphone number of a high school teacher who had called police to report seeing a group of heavily armed men heading toward a shopping mall. The teacher started getting a whole bunch of Free Speach in the form of texts and voicemails calling her a “stupid bitch” and “motherfucking whore,” and at least one promise to come after her with a gun.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @the Conster: Yep. No reason to provoke a confrontation. Grab ’em as they get dehydrated and slink away. Patience is underrated.

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    Citizen_X says:

    As for me, I’m only referring to the female ones as gun nuts. The “men” are gun bitches.

    Yes, maybe that’s not pc, but fuck these guys.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    OT, but here’s a strange story I just stumbled across. Remember Bush lawyer Jay Bybee? His adult son committed suicide outside of their Mormon temple.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: The fact that Bybee is a Circuit Court Judge is an abomination, but it is sad that his son committed suicide.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Citizen_X: I’m with Burnsey. These dipshits don’t need to make threats, they’re already armed. If they had the balls to follow through with their ideology, they’d just up and shoot us. I’ll call them goddamn cowards every day of the week.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s probably the best plan. When Ike had his sedition problem in Little Rock, he sent in the 101st Airborne, but I don’t think that’s called for here.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Is it bad to say that if my father had participated in the torture of hundreds (if not thousands) of people, I’d be pretty goddamned depressed, too?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @El Caganer: I don’t need the “satisfaction” of a confrontation. I want the people who have broken laws to be brought to trial. I don’t need to happen now, right now.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Okayed, didn’t participate in.

    I don’t think that the sins of the father should be visited upon the son.

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    OT: I am live blogging the Indian election results. So far a clean sweep for the BJP.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    The nuts calling their weapons guns is hilarious.

    Well, pistols, rifles, and shotguns can all be properly termed “small arms.” But something tells me the NRA membership would consider that too…diminutive.

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    the Conster says:

    @El Caganer:

    Ike was dealing with a head of government. Holder is dealing with a bunch of delusional ass clowns.

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    KG says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: nah, they’ll just apply old west law… Such as, if they were both armed, it was a fair fight and thus not murder. Just a misunderstanding

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    KG says:

    @the Conster: so was Washington with the Whiskey Rebellion

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    hitchhiker says:

    Jennifer Longdon is a personal friend of mine. She’s got more game than you can even start to imagine. Drive by shooter leaves her paralyzed and her fiance blind and brain-damaged. She’s got a goddamn punch card for the ER after having to haul herself in there over and over because she’s had so many infections that it always takes some monster antibiotics to keep her alive.

    And some shrivel-dick fool SPITS on her for daring to suggest that a background check might not be a bad idea.

    I. just. can’t.

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    Morzer says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I find that deeply depressing, after having done some research on Narendra Modi. This piece by William Dalrymple was especially convincing:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/po.....man-masses

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Can you imagine the amount of boner pills needed to get that monster upright?!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @hitchhiker: Assholes are assholes.

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    the Conster says:

    @KG:

    Would Washington have used drones?

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    @Morzer: I don’t like him either. However I can understand the frustration and need for change that most people feel about decades of ineffective and nepotist rule by the Congress. I just wish the BJP had chosen someone else.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    I’m a moral relativist- there are reason for doing just about any awful thing, but I can’t for the life of me think of a realistic excuse for spitting on a woman in a wheelchair. This man should go to jail, because seriously, I don’t see anything good coming from him in the future.

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    Morzer says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    To be honest with you, I think Modi is exactly the sort of leader the BJP wants to produce. I’ve followed the BJP’s activities over the years – and I can’t say I like much of what I have seen from them. I agree that Congress is corrupt and inept (and has been that way for much of its existence, in my opinion) – but I think the BJP is going to cause immense problems of its own if it gets real power.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: Those fuckers were the most accurate guns the army ever had. With accurate call for fire, I could hit a house more than ten miles away with my guns.

    And oddly, if the barrel was completely upright, it meant that something was wrong with it. To get at the engine, one needed to elevate the barrel completely. Seeing one of your unit’s guns like that was embarrassing.

    Edited.

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    @Morzer: There is nothing in your comment that I disagree with.

    ETA: Now Gujarat’s shame is India’s shame.

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I just visions of you guys shoveling 3 McCain units of boner pills into it to achieve “lift-off”. I blame Cole for dancing around pant-less on the roof.

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    KG says:

    @the Conster: sure, after Hamilton convinced him it was a good idea

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Parking at the mall must be a real bitch.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: I shoveled nothing. Ask raven, Cassidy, and HBM, officers are special and they suck. But they don’t shovel anything – except bullshit to senior officers (I think that mattered a lot.)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: In Germany, my unit stuck the barrel of a gun through some German guy’s bedroom window. We put people at every corner that could be a problem to guide folds through it, but mistakes happen. Checks were written.

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    cckids says:

    @Mnemosyne: Though they’re not south of Vegas, they are north & east. Temps will be a bit lower, but it is getting very hot very fast. Hopefully the FBI will get done “investigating” and make things even hotter for those jackasses.

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    gussie says:

    Frankly, all this ‘professionals never say _gun_!’ stuff is kinda nutty, too.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: May be other officers, not you.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Morzer:
    Really.
    One shouldn’t be surprised that people who are too afraid to be part of society hate every one who isn’t.

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yikes. Thanks for keeping us up to date!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gussie: I disagree. Professionals have jargon and/or term of art. Gun nuts don’t know the terms. It shows their distance from people who actually work with the tools (guns) that they fetishize.

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    @TheMightyTrowel: You are welcome, I predict a hard right turn in India’s future.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I saw one of the main parts of my job as keeping senior people from interfering with my guys’ ability to do their jobs. I ran interference with the brass while my sergeants mad sure the work got done.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Okayed, didn’t participate in.

    Morally, that’s even worse (IMO). The guys who did the dirty work got their orders from higher up.

    I don’t think that the sins of the father should be visited upon the son.

    Not what I was saying. More like, how do you deal with the fact that your father committed a horrible crime, especially when he got away with it and keeps justifying himself? It would certainly make me question any belief in God that I had.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @cckids:

    I don’t know if you’re getting or will be getting the same weather we’re getting in So Cal, but it was 103 degrees today. In May.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Once in the captains stateroom doing some work on an electronic unit the captain remarked that it was amazing how fast I got there to do the work. I told him that I was told in no uncertain terms that I had to get my fucking ass to his stateroom faster than fast or the capt would have all of my ass. He just shook his head and told me that he had made a remark in passing that it would be nice if someone could fix this item when we had time, but it truly wasn’t important. There were only 3 people between the capt and myself on that ship, all officers. The captains second remark was, “What a bunch of assholes” I was forced to agree with him. In 4 yrs he was the only officer that I wouldn’t put into that category. Tonight I’ll add you. But it does seem like a shame that your real job was to be a buffer between the bullshit and the work.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t buy generational guilt. I get that he was bothered by what his father did. He, to our knowledge, did not fuck people over.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    This has a couple of guns along with some assorted other things that go boom.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Other Chuck:

    These people aren’t defending us from tyranny — they are tyranny.

    Precisely. Glibertarians in general are all tyrant wannabes. Only their rights are important…the rights of anyone else are in their fucking way.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    : I don’t think that the sins of the father should be visited upon the son.

    Ideally, yes. In the best of all possible worlds.

    But we don’t live in that world. All you have to do is see the installation of the deserting coward in the White House to understand family connections are more important than individual merit.

    But when social position and wealth are more often acquired through birth, rather than any personal effort, I have no problem with saddling the son with the sins of the father. Because that’s a check and balance on aristocratic privilege..

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Ruckus:

    But it does seem like a shame that your real job was to be a buffer between the bullshit and the work.

    Any mid-level management job works that way.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    True but still what a waste of time and effort.

    Does sort of prove that Peter got his principle correct so there is an upside.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I don’t buy generational guilt. I get that he was bothered by what his father did. He, to our knowledge, did not fuck people over.

    Still not getting where you see some claim of “generational guilt.” I’m saying that if my father was a torturer, I would be pretty fucking depressed about it, too.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Fine. Have it as you will. For how many generations should his descendents be depressed? One, two, seventeen?

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    AxelFoley says:

    @The Bearded Blogger:

    @NotMax: For like a decade now, I’ve been wondering when/whether Americans will have this moment of realization that they’ve gone way off the deep end, a kind of whoa moment. I picture it as a collective realization, but it seems to be more of a steady trickle, person by person.

    If Newtown/Sandy Hook couldn’t change our collective thoughts on this, I don’t think things will ever change.

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    M. Bouffant says:

    Some gun loon will eventually pull the trigger on a “gun-grabber,” abortion doctor-style. Then we’ll see if the Second Amendment trumps the First.

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    Anonymous says:

    This is not a generous way of thinking, but our white lower middle class is having the same general cultural and economic breakdown as the German did in the 1930’s and the modern Russian one is now. Part of it is expressed in gun hysteria. I hesitate to say that the only correction is the same correction that appeared in Germany in the 40’s (huge percent of male population physically mutilated or dead in war, huge percentage of female population permanently broken by gang rape), but it would be great if someone would just cull these people.

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    balconesfault says:

    @trollhattan: that’s gotta deserve a Darwin Award

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    LosGatosCA says:

    @🌷 Martin:

    Gun owner supremacy – it’s the new white.

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    Platypus says:

    Why do the unsuitable ones have guns? Projection. They think everyone else is as irrational and impulse-driven as they are, and if those other people have guns then damn, they’d better have guns too. It never even occurs to them that *they themselves* are the threat, because part of projection is avoidance of the truth as it applies to oneself.

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    Platypus says:

    Why do the unsuitable ones have guns? Projection. They think everyone else is as irrational and impulse-driven as they are, and if those other people have guns then damn, they’d better have guns too. It never even occurs to them that *they themselves* are the threat, because part of projection is avoidance of the truth as it applies to oneself.

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    Applejinx says:

    You know, if you could ask these people ‘what makes you feel so unbearably powerless that owning deadly weapons personally is such a life-or-death matter’ then maybe we’d be getting somewhere.

    Because they can’t let it go, and it’s for reasons, and I think we can relate with those reasons more than you’d suspect. I doubt it’s all stupid racism and sexism, for instance.

    It’s sort of like ‘Once Upon A Time In The West’, really. You’ve got your gunslingers, and the railroad is going to roll right over them whatever they do. Their jobs are sold off to China and India by corporations, they have to live in a lowest-common-denominator world where everything is exactly as shitty as the statistical average person can stand without flipping out and wrecking shit, and you ask why they’re desperate and crazy? They are exactly as crazy as (the decline and fall of) capitalism compels them to be.

    And since that’s pretty crazy, they’ll go to any length to protect their ability to flip out and go down in a blaze of glory. I know a gun crazy who’s been venting his feelings in amateur filmmaking for years, he’s damn good at it. He makes movies of him in typically German tanks and bombers, going to blow up Town Offices… and, if I’m remembering correctly, banks.

    The psychology isn’t solely the posturing hero fighting baddies. They can also see themselves as the warrior against giant evil forces. I happen to think there ARE a lot of giant evil forces around, it’s just that I don’t see specifically Obama (or health care, or welfare and social services) as representing them…

    Ask yourself, if these guys all put down their guns peaceably, what would they still be rightly scared of? Because you’re a damned fool if you think they are fifties bourgeuoisie floating on a raft of privilege. All they have is being white, male, and having a gun. And being white and male absolutely will not protect you from Bank Of America, or from Wal-Mart destroying your hardware store, or even from the average person steadily becoming brown and maybe not even speaking English.

    Disarmament is useless without comprehensive populist politics. In a world where Bank Of America can take your house, be WRONG and still do it and pay no consequences and literally ruin your life for nothing, the final power you have (since you can’t hunt down the person who did it, it’s the system that did it) is a bullet to your own head.

    If you don’t understand that, you will never be able to understand the gun nuts, and if you can’t also focus on fixing the systemic problems you have no hope of disarming them.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Applejinx: You may have a point, but if you try to fix those systemic problems, these are the people who will stalk you and threaten to kill you.

    Until they turn off Fox and put down the popgun (by their own will, or if some of them end up dead or in prison), they’ll be impossible to deal with.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    @Applejinx: Agree heartily with like 90% of your post, but you seem to say that only when the systemic problems that cause the fear and anguish of gun nuts disappear will we be able to disarm them. I agree that gun-nuts are a symptom, but it is quite possible to treat a symptom before treating the cause of a disease.

    Also, I think the US needs its pride back, something like a new Apollo program. Maybe catastrophic climate change will be the catalyst for that

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    Morzer says:

    @Applejinx:

    I see what you are saying, but I’d be a lot more convinced if the gun nuts weren’t consistently on the crazier edge of the crazy right wing – and if I saw them taking action against the corrupt banks like Bank of America.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    @🌷 Martin: thanks for the Frum link, it’s pretty good

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    I post a weekly round-up of gun lunacy from across the state and this week’s Tennessee Gun Report got trolled by some folks who heard about it at a pro-gun website (at least, according to my stats that’s what happened). The people who tell me to eat shit and die I delete but if you want to have a sensible discussion that’s ok. But the thing about it is, this one guy who is commenting is expressing a really bizarre worldview that I just can’t fathom.

    He says that it’s “ironic” that I’m able to make snide comments about gun loons using my 1st Amendment rights which, he says, I only have because of people like him exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. In other words, he and his friends are just convinced that the only reason this country is as free as it is today is because of all the millions of firearms in the hands of citizens.

    And it’s not foreign governments he’s afraid of, oh no. He says it’s he and his gun-toting friends who keep “the ever growing Big Government from stripping all of our rights away, including the 1st Amendment.” He’s not talking in the abstract. He’s actually living in a world where he thinks Obama’s jack-booted thugs want to take everyone’s freedoms away.

    This is so crazy and sad that people are really that out there.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    The corollary to “assume all guns are loaded” is “assume all gun-toters are dangerous.” And yet for some reason this offends gun-toters, even when it’s applying their own “tactical” mentality.

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    feebog says:

    @Applejinx:

    Because they can’t let it go, and it’s for reasons, and I think we can relate with those reasons more than you’d suspect. I doubt it’s all stupid racism and sexism, for instance.

    It may not be 100 percent racism and sexism, but those are very significant components. Go on some of their websites, read the comments, and get back to us.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Gun nuts get pedantic over things that don’t mean shit to professionals and then call their weapons guns when, to a professional, gun has a specific meaning.

    It’s a version of the tone argument, and a means of exerting control: if you don’t use the precise terminology we dictate, then we won’t listen to you. Well, fuck that shit: get yourself a medical degree and learn the precise terminology to describe bullet wounds before you start pontificating about the word ‘clip’.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @The Other Chuck: Amen. I have no problems with guns being taken away from fruitcakes. They are dangerous. It feels as if the NRA has no effective opposition.

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    @Applejinx:
    coincidentally, just as I was reading your comment, my Pandora had Naked Raygun singing “Now I know where snipers come from…”

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    @Southern Beale:
    Yeah, at least some of them seem to think they are protecting Truth, Freedom, and The American Way but what they are doing is dancing right up to the edge of armed insurrection. That’s a very dangerous gambol for all of us.

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    Helen says:

    @Applejinx: Thank you for this. I have been trying to find a way to articulate exactly what you said. You were way more successful than I.

    I would also like to add this: This is a group of people who grew up believing with all their might and hearts that people who were unemployed and depended on the government we mooching, lazy, nears. They believed that if you were willing to work hard it protected you from poverty and unemployment. Then 2008 happened. And a whole boatload of them were thrown out of work. They had never, ever thought that it would happen to them. But it did. And they had to apply for food stamps, welfare, heating assistance, and a myriad of other government programs. Imagine the cignitive dissonance that caused. They were just like the nears.

    I think that also goes a long way to explain them believing in massive voter fraud. They would never, ever, even under penalty of death, vote for a near. So surely other Americans would not either. Therefore there had to be voter fraud.

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    @Applejinx:

    Because as I wrote yesterday, it’s not about guns. It’s about power. And their lack of it.

    A lot of these folks are completely uneducated about the reasons for their powerlessness. I’m not saying some may not have good jobs, I know one who is the head of a local (real, not imaginary) police force, but his identity is wrapped up in being a Southern, white, male and Christian so the idea of reading a newspaper or finding out what’s happening in China or recognizing that what big banks are doing on Wall Street affects him in his little Tennessee town is completely alien to him. Easier to believe the dumbed-down talking point about “big bad government” trying to “steal his freedom,” than wonder why Comcast and Verizon want to snuff out a free and open internet.

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    “Can someone please explain why the people who absolutely should not be around guns are the ones most avidly defending gun rights?”

    They’re obsessed. Nucking futz. Stark staring bonkers.

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    eyelessgame says:

    “Can someone please explain why the people who absolutely should not be around guns are the ones most avidly defending gun rights?”

    Yeats had the explanation, or at the least phrased it best.

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