Another Thing

It absolutely blows my fucking mind that the same people who have been screaming about four dead Americans in Benghazi for years are now actively fomenting an armed insurrection in the name of a deadbeat racist cattle rancher, which could possibly result in hundreds of people tits up in body bags.

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124 replies
  1. 1
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Cliven Bundy was set up by Obama to distract from Benghazi.

    I’m sure I’m not the first person at Balloon Juice to have made this obvious connection.

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    NotMax says:

    We’re #1! We’re #1!

    /sickening jingoism

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    burnspbesq says:

    It absolutely blows my fucking mind that the same people who have been screaming about four dead Americans in Benghazi for years are now actively fomenting an armed insurrection in the name of a deadbeat racist cattle rancher

    Really? Why? This can’t possibly be surprising to anyone who has been paying attention to the antics of the radical Right.

    Surely you weren’t expecting intellectual consistency from that lot …

  4. 4
    Comrade Jake says:

    LOL. Benghazi is once again headlining over at FoxNews.com. Apparently there are new, “shocking” emails from Ben Rhodes in the White House to Susan Rice and a bunch of other people to get their talking points straight.

    Imagine people in the WH being concerned about politics!!! With four Americans dead!!! Scandalous!!!

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    Baud says:

    @burnspbesq:

    That was what I was going to say also.

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    cokane says:

    I guarantee if Bundy was black or latino there’d be zero supportive coverage from the usual suspects.

    Also, if an R was in the White House. It’s all bullshit.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    Then there’s this craziness:

    A few conservative pundits on Tuesday furthered a conspiracy theory that someone, possibly Magic Johnson, set up Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling’s racist rant in order to buy the team.

    Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on his show on Tuesday had a lengthy discussion with a caller about such a theory. Limbaugh attributed the theory to the caller, but seemed convinced that it was a possibility.

    These people are pathological.

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    BGinCHI says:

    The right is insane.

    Literally batshit loony tunes lost marbles mad as a hatter fucking nuts crazy.

    Also, nihilism.

  9. 9
    Hunter Gathers says:

    If these ‘militia’ morons decide to start shooting and killing Federal Officers, the entire MSM will blame Obama for it. He’ll fail to ‘lead’ or something like that, and the MSM will indulge itself in the most American of ways by playing ‘It’s All The Fault Of The Blacks, Somehow.’

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    Culture of Truth says:

    It absolutely blows my fucking mind that the same people who have been screaming about four dead AmericanIRS IRS IRS IRS!!!!

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    scav says:

    Hey, Torture is the new Star-Spangled “Mercan Baptims (It’s how we roll) and Carpetbaggers harassing random people in the name of a Deadbeat Cowboy is the apex or responsible Patriotism.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Comrade Jake: Apparently, a day or so ago, Limbaugh was blaming Obama for the Sterling thing. As in, “this wouldn’t have happened, except that Sterling didn’t give enough money to the Obama campaign”.

    So, apparently Obama used his Timelord powers to travel back a couple of decades and then Jedi-mind-tricked Sterling into becoming a racist jackass, all because of some nonexistent campaign donations. Makes perfect sense.

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    RandomMonster says:

    OMG! The White House tried to have a coordinated message that explained its understanding of a chaotic situation in the Middle East! Impeach the tyrant!

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    BGinCHI says:

    If people in this country don’t see what is heading their way if they don’t vote this November then we are in for a rough ride.

    Hate is going to get bigger.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Hate is going to get bigger.

    If this situation isn’t dealt with decisively then armed hate is definitely going to get bigger.

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    shortstop says:

    They weren’t complaining about Benghazi because they hate innocent people getting killed. They’re not anti-death. They see this as a tribal war, a battle to the grave between us and them, and they have no problem killing people who aren’t in their tribe.

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    Cliven Bundy is the voice of his generation. Seriously, this country is going to be a much different place in 25 years. I know there are some nice people in that generation but the sooner they’re gone the better for every subsequent generation.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: It will be handled decisively, just not on your timetable or mine. There is no way that Bundy will not be made to pay up either what he owes or everything he owns.

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    shortstop says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: He’s 67, sounds like 90.

    Somehow I missed until just now (when I looked up his age) that he’s a “Mormon patriarch.”

    I’ll just keep those thoughts to myself.

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    Judge Crater says:

    Remember the Elián González affair? The Feds had to send in a SWAT team to enforce a court order.

    We are heading for that kind of confrontation. These fruitcakes on the right are looking for some kind of John Brown at Harper’s Ferry moment that will galvanize the rest of their delusional gun-crazy, libertarian, anti-government demographic.

    And Fox News will do anything it can to incite the crazies.

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    jl says:

    @BGinCHI: As Truman said, the Republicans will always help out during election time, but the Democrats cannot count on them doing all the work; the Democrats have to get out and campaign aggressively with the truth. (That is a condensed paraphrase).

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    J R in WV says:

    John, you go man!

    These people are stone rabid crazy, and there’s no excuse for their behavior, none whatsoever!

    I’m personally in favor of using facial recognition technology to ID all those guys drawing a bead on Federal Law Enforcement staff, and then picking them up one at a time, on Saturday night/Sunday morning 3 am.

    Flash-bangs, tear gas, door explosions, and Delta Force/Seal Team 6 etc jumping in, cuffing everyone, and taking the terrorists to Cuba. See who told them to go commit felonies, and the next night arrest those glass-bowls.

    Work your way up that ladder, and put them all away without any phone calls. Terrorists don’t get lawyers for the frirst couple of years, do they?

    No patience with local terrorism, none at all. And whoever D. Sterling is can also go to Cuba one way. That’ll help balance the budget!

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    BGinCHI says:

    @jl: Running away from Obamacare is not a good start.

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    maya says:

    Why should Pakistanis and Afghans have all the fun. Drone the mofus.

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    scav says:

    There is a book. This will be run by it. This is that cool phase that annoys many, but one day, perhaps while attending a banquet, oh! look! At least that’s been the pattern so far. All boxes ticked.

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    bago says:

    FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN!?

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    Killjoy says:

    Freedom now means being forced to produce papers on demand at gunpoint in order to travel on public roads.

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    Holden Pattern says:

    @Killjoy: Right, but the people with the guns aren’t jackbooted federal thugs. That would NOT be freedom.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I’d like to know how those assholes are paying their bills; surely, not all of them are independently wealthy and need jobs. Someone is backing them; toss a few flash grenades and a few RICO charges and all will be well.

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    Keith G says:

    @jl: Preach it! Hallelujah!

    In order for these idiots on the Right Wing to feel the heat, somebody …somebody… has got to be lighting the matches.

    The Sword of Righteousness does no good if it’s left in it’s sheath.

    Did I just colossally mix two metaphors?

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    John O says:

    Other than the ACA, Obama’s legacy will be defined by the history books by how much it displayed the flagrant racism still prevalent in the glorious USofA.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Why can’t Cole drive his tank out there and do something about this?

    Maybe we need to start a fund for his vigilante training.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @The Dangerman:

    I’d like to know how those assholes are paying their bills

    Social Security.

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    Chris says:

    It absolutely blows my fucking mind that the same people who have been screaming about four dead Americans in Benghazi for years are now actively fomenting an armed insurrection in the name of a deadbeat racist cattle rancher, which could possibly result in hundreds of people tits up in body bags.

    Conservatism 101: “what we want is to be able to do what we want when we want however we want, but nobody else gets to do the same.”

    It may be a crime for filthy Libyan Muslims to kill American public servants, but if they decide it’s good for them to do it, that’s another matter altogether.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’m less concerned with the deadbeat rancher than I am with the idea that armed yahoos may conclude that they can push people around with impunity.

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    This isn’t about cattle fees. It’s just the first thing that was tangentially related enough to the militia/oathkeeper movements that they could act on. They’ve been biding their time, waiting for the moronic imaginary threats that they want to believe so badly to happen. They’re up against a clock the Sheriff that is near is running out of time in office.

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    the Conster says:

    Tom Robbins described these clowns perfectly in Skinny Legs and All – Buddy Winkler and the Little Matches of Jesus. Who knew reality would be weirder than fiction?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: They are being photographed and identified, and they will be arrested either en masse or one by one.

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    jl says:

    @Comrade Jake: For once I can sympathize with Rush, if Rush has heard about some of the testimony in court case between Sterling and his ex-girlfriend.

    Sterling says that the scarlet women, the ruthless hussy, took over his mind completely when she gave him a blow job in the back of a limo on the way home from a game one night.Then she turned on him when he tried to mildly and helpfully explain to her that coming to games with black and Hispanic lowlifes like a famous and renowned ex-champion basketball player and generous community philanthropist was indelicate.

    Must have brought back to Rush. painful memories of romantic betrayal.

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    Mandalay says:

    Flip flop!

    Nevada Sen. Dean Heller wants to be clear: Cliven Bundy is no patriot.

    As criticism has mounted over the controversial Nevada rancher’s comments and tactics, the GOP senator is distancing himself from Bundy and his supporters after referring to them as “patriots” earlier this month.

    “I am very quick in calling American citizens ‘patriots,’” Heller said in an interview. “Maybe in this case, too quick.”

    Heller added: “I want to make it very clear that I never called Bundy a patriot. And I believe Bundy should have been paying those fees.”

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    LittlePig says:

    The common clay of the New West.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @burnspbesq: I’m totally in agreement with you on this one, Burnsie.

    How can one’s mind be blown by the total lack of any intellectual consistency demonstrated repeatedly by the wingtards? It’s all about the ni*CLANG* with them.

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    jl says:

    @ranchandsyrup:

    ” This isn’t about cattle fees. ”

    It better not be about the cattle grazing fees, since it appears that this Bundy has been lying through his teeth about the facts of the case, and the facts blow his argument to kingdom come on his very own principles. They sure have picked a doozy for their cause for their first public demonstration of force: con man and racist.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yup. These people will eventually disperse. They will then be visited by tactical teams with special agents.

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    maya says:

    Sheldon meets the Skinheads. This is all happening in Clark County, NV. Just a tassel and a twirl from Lost Wages. When these idiots start causing a financial problem for all those honest casino owners something will have to be initiated by Nevada authorities first and soon.

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    scav says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: They want to play Alamo on Da TeeVee against the federales. But these carpetbagger vigilantes aren’t exactly a Fed issue yet (except by association with a BLM scofflaw). Denying them the Alamo, the Teevee and as much as possible the non-Nevada forces might be entirely a good thing (some high-end tactical support might go down just fine).

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    rk says:

    @cokane:

    Can you imagine if a bunch of black militia men refused to recognize the US govt, dressed in fatigues, were heavily armed and set up checkpoints and demanded identification from people going in and out of town.
    The screaming and outrage from Fox News (and all other) channels would be unimaginable! There is no better example of racism than what is going on in the Bundy ranch. Only white men are able to get away with it. Non whites would either be in jail or dead by now.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @dmsilev: He also went back in time and forced Sterling to register as a Rethug in 1998.

    It’s amazing how he’s both the most unqualified man to ever hold the Presidency, but he’s also the most incredibly devious one to do so at the same time.

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    @jl: yup. lying through their teeth about the facts sums it up nicely.
    They’re going to have to take things to the next level to properly foment. Luckily for them they learned from their neocon masters that a false flag will do. That’s why they’re always projecting FALSE FLAG! when a shooting happens. It’s on their minds.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Temps are headed into the 90s in that area beginning Friday. Seems like a fine time to cut off the water supply.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @LittlePig: DING DING DING DING DING.

    “The Sheriff is near”

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    Chris says:

    @Mandalay:

    Quoting myself from a few days ago in re our forbearance towards the militia movement:

    “Traditionally, the double standard is that the government will sort of ignore you or drag its feet if you’re committing or threatening violence against a poor and disenfranchised group, but will absolutely go into freak mode (Palmer Raids, COINTELPRO) if you commit or threaten violence against the government. (This often benefits right wing groups like the Ku Klux Klan, who thrive on targeting the poor and disenfranchised). The unusual thing about nowadays is that you have people openly committing and/or threatening violence against the government, and thanks to the large number of wingnuts that’re in it, “the government” not only isn’t reacting as is usual for them but much of it is actually egging them on. Not unlike the schizophrenic relationship Saudi authorities have with their jihadis, in fact.”

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    Joseph Nobles says:

    Since Obama’s Katrina does not exist, it is necessary to invent one.

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    jl says:

    @ranchandsyrup: This is third or fourth time I posted this link, but I think the info will be handy to anyone who has to deal with wingnuts defending Mr. Bundy.

    Local TV Station Sheds Doubt On Bundy’s Claims About His Family Ranch

    “…court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family’s cattle didn’t begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.) ”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....ral-rights

    If you follow the links in the story, looks like records of his family using land in that region go back to 1910 or so, in Arizona, not Nevada. (Edit: and any records of real property ownership in Nevada go back to mid 1940s)

    That is why I use the term ‘con man’ for this guy. Deadbeat and con man.

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    @jl: agreed 100%. Just lying. I asked a fervent supporter to lay out Bundy’s claim and the best he could come up with is that bundy’s family didn’t own the land itself but ranched up and down the virgin valley which is “close enough”.
    Everyone that has been in a land dispute knows that “close enough” won’t cut it.

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    Older says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I’m afraid I won’t live to see the nation recover after all of these old lunatics die off. I’m old enough to have been Cliven Bundy’s babysitter (or in his circles, probably his mother) and I despair of seeing a rational right end of the political spectrum.

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    Chris says:

    @rk:

    You know what pisses me off about that?

    That when all’s said and done, after all the caution and repeated attempts at peaceful resolution that’ve been made, after all the opportunities that the militia assholes have been given to just disband and go home peacefully (the kind of opportunities that would NEVER have been afforded to an inner city gang if it started flaunting its guns like this)…

    … wingnuts and their Fox News gurus will STILL go home and bawl and bawl and bawl about how horribly racist and anti-white and biased against conservatives the Obama administration and the government is.

    And most of Official Washington will nod seriously and consider that they’ve got a point, if only Obama hadn’t been so danged DIVISIVE, maybe all this could’ve been avoided.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I call bullshit on this. I’m 68, and under no circumstances do my politics or understanding of the world resemble Cliven Bundy’s. (He’s 67.) The man’s a racist and an asshole. There are 30 year old racist assholes. There are 80 year old racist assholes; see Sterling, Donald. There are racist assholes YOUR age, whatever it is.

    I was polite the last time someone made a comment like this. Gonna be less polite from now on.

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    Chris says:

    @Older:

    I don’t think there’s ever been a rational right end of the political spectrum. I’ll settle for a rational right middle, though. The Eisenhower/Rockefeller crowd, whatever their flaws, they were no teabaggers.

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    jl says:

    @ranchandsyrup: If you know where this wingnut lives, go camp in his yard and tell him you been a-walkin’ down by his ol’ white picket fence, or under that thayr weepin” willer tree (or whatever) for years by his house, and that is close enough.

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    raven says:

    @Lizzy L: Aw fuck these dopes, they don’t know shit.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Comrade Jake:

    These people are pathological.

    That’s Alex Jones’ middle name, you know.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Chris: There were Birchers. There was Joe McCarthy. There was Richard Nixon.

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    Chickamin Slam says:

    @BGinCHI:

    I agree. Cole needs his tank from when he was in the military. Don’t mess with Comrade Cole. He’ll use his Steve cannon and the conflict will be all over.

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    max says:

    It absolutely blows my fucking mind that the same people who have been screaming about four dead Americans in Benghazi for years are now actively fomenting an armed insurrection in the name of a deadbeat racist cattle rancher, which could possibly result in hundreds of people tits up in body bags.

    But see, if Obama had sent an AWACS plane, 3 AC-130’s, 20 helicopters and 500 marines to Benghazi THEN all the terrorists in downtown Benghazi including actually still alive Osama bin Laden would have been killed and then the Ambassador could have come home and explained to the American people that the gun grabbers were using the assault on the embassy as a practice plan for conquering rural Nevada because it’s all empty and dusty and stuff, so Obama had agreed with still actually alive Osama bin Laden to do a practice run, and the Ambassador had found this out which is why Obama sent him to Benghazi in the first place, so he would be killed, and then he wouldn’t be able to reveal to the American people that the Federal Government isn’t real and is actually a plot concocted by the Girl Scouts, the Trilateral Commission, and CBS, and you can tell this is totally true because flags in courts have a gold fringe and that makes them Nautical Courts which don’t have jurisdiction over cows because the radical vegans are going to starve all the cows by feeding them little tiny 16 oz. glasses of protein shakes and then the cows will die and then the ranchers will starve and then the black helicopters will attack and take all the guns and make everybody live under Sharia law and watch Oprah all day and not play golf because all the gold courses will be converted into radical Alinsky Camps for Young Homosexuals to train to destroy the Catholic church.

    I heard it on Alex Beck.

    Glenn Jones.

    One of those guys. It’s all in the book! The Good Book!

    max
    [‘In the part starting ‘…and he rode a pale Prius’…’]

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    jl says:

    @Chris: Eisenhower was not right-wing even for his time. As I understand it, Eisenhower was totally apolitical until WWII was over, was courted by the Democrats, but decided to register and run as a Republican because he had a better chance that way, and he wanted to stop the reactionary wing of the GOP. The reactionary wing of the GOP at that time was lead by Robert Taft Jr., who, IIRC, was actually the left flank of the reactionary GOP.

    I think Eisenhower was particularly disturbed by the reactionary GOP isolationism (though a tad of that isolationism would have done Eisenhower some good, at least if would have prevented his covert meddling in other countries’ domestic affairs).

    Military-industrial money, and truly vile Kristol-style political opportunism, has corrupted the reactionary GOP out of its isolationism. But most other points remain the same: racism and bigotry of all stripes, crony capitalism, hatred of social insurance. Eisenhower said that these were a few ‘Texas billionaires’ who were stupid or dumb or something, and if they got their way, they would destroy the party.

    So, Eisenhower has been called a commie since forever by the true believers.

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    Keith G says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Why can’t Cole drive his tank out there and do something about this?

    It’s inoperative. Probably abandoned and rusting in some field in West by god Virginia.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: @raven: That’s cold.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The Doha Dash!

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    jl says:

    @Keith G: I think Tunch sat on the tank and squashed it, it ate it in an unfortunate misunderstanding about his bedtime snack. I’ll look in the archives.

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    jl says:

    @jl: Oops. I should have checked Wiki to refresh my memory. One reason Eisenhower became a GOPer was to counter Robert Taft’s influence, who was Robert Taft Jr’s father.

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    Chris says:

    @jl:

    Eisenhower was center for his time, I believe. He wasn’t about to roll back the New Deal, just as he wasn’t about to embark on any Great Society like programs to build on its legacy. He took what he had and stayed the course. And he had to walk a fine line when it came to his far right, though I think he’s pretty much on the record as finding them stupid and loathsome… by now. He was a little more circumspect in public, at the time.

    But you’re right that he wasn’t even in the same ballpark as the current clowns, or those of his era. And yeah, the Birchers and McCarthyites thought he was a Red and said so loud and proud.

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    muddy says:

    @jl: For a second I thought you were going to say you checked Wiki about Tunch.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @burnspbesq:

    Seems like a fine time to cut off the water supply.

    I sincerely doubt they’re depending on a water supply that can be conveniently turned off. Bundy’s residence probably has its own well and quite likely a generator to power if if/when the electricity goes off. Ranchers like that aren’t truly self-sufficient, but they’re much better equipped to deal with being temporarily cut off from the rest of the world than city folk are.

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    Sphys says:

    I’d find it deeply satisfying for SWAT to be sent in and bundle the lot off in zip tie handcuffs, but I suspect it’s what they’d like. (And, you know, risk of tragedy.) Quietly freeze their assets and arrest them singly when they come in to figure out why they can’t access their cash.

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    Ian says:

    Cole you forget. Any means necessary are justified to reach conservative ends. Politicizing the death (or potential upcoming deaths) of Americans is A-OK. If your a republican.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Joseph Nobles: Or desperately try to do so.

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    Cpl Cam says:

    Let’s not forget these are the same people who will argue that had Trayvon Martin acquiesced to George Zimmerman and answered his questions with deference and respect he would have been ok. So, to recap, if you’re black everyone paler than you is a figure of absolute authority deserving of supreme respect, if you are white you are a sovereign citizen under the authority of no man or law.

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    Elizabelle says:

    OT: I hope that tonight’s botched execution in Oklahoma is the beginning of the end of the death penalty.

    Life without parole is plenty.

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    jl says:

    @Patricia Kayden: When I see the clip of Fox News and CNN asking whether the Magic Johnson plot to steal the Clippers from Sterling is Obama’s next decisive test or his flubbed Katrina moment, or evidence he played the race card, then I will start growing my own hallucinogenic mushrooms, and eat them every day for breakfast with scrambled eggs, because, hell, why even try anymore?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Elizabelle: Oh fuck.

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    scav says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, they really rushed and postured and bullied into this one. How proud and catharsis-full they must feel.

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    Comrade Scrutinizer says:

    @Lizzy L: With you on this. Over the years (I’m 59 in two weeks) I’ve moved even further to the left than I was when I was a teen, and I was pretty liberal even then. I’ve seen lots of people 20 and 30 years younger than myself who are pretty solidly right-wing, and getting even more radicalized. The notion that the thugs are going to die off in a few years, leaving us with the Socialist Workers’ Paradise, is just silly. As long as the radical right and the corporatists own the media and control the message, things aren’t going to change. SCOTUS is making it easier, not harder, for the 1%-ers to practice their neo-feudalism. History is full of well-armed, well-financed minority groups controlling political institutions. Expecting “time” to cure the mess we’re in by attrition is just whistling past the graveyard.

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    jl says:

    @Cpl Cam: What you say has a lot of truth. Only problem is that when all the African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, and Native-Americans and Arabs, and Hindus and Sikhs and Tibetans and whoever else mistaken for Arabs, are killed or driven off, then they only have other white people to hate and blame for whatever goes wrong, or whenever someone geta cranky over some trivial BS. Then they start shooting each other for some dipshit cause or principle they’ve noodled up in their pretty white little heads.

    I guess if we could get to that endpoint without involving innocent people first, it would be a good public demonstration of why their approach to life just kinda don’t work out, and their support would collapse even more.

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    tybee says:

    @Older:

    yeah, i ain’t got time to wait, neither.

    lets you and me riot or sumpin’.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Keith G:

    It’s inoperative. Probably abandoned and rusting in some field in West by god Virginia.

    Full of gourmet mustard, and not in jars, neither!

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    raven says:

    @tybee: Hey, I’m trying to track you down! Headed to Jekyll in 2 weeks and I’m hoping to catch some, any tips?

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    Chris says:

    @Comrade Scrutinizer:

    I’ve seen lots of people 20 and 30 years younger than myself who are pretty solidly right-wing, and getting even more radicalized.

    I think for people my specific age (born late eighties), the thing is that we came to political awareness during the Bush years. If you’re a right winger, that only solidified in your head the notion that this is a “center right nation” and that Republican rulers are the natural and good order of things. Then they hit their early twenties, and had to go through the enormous shock of seeing a usurper in the White House and their sacred government that they’d gotten used to worshiping being used for evil. At least for the few conservatives I know who’re my age, I suspect that helps the radicalization along.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Elizabelle:

    OT: I hope that tonight’s botched execution in Oklahoma is the beginning of the end of the death penalty.

    But there was no legal reason for the victims prisoners to find out what drugs they were going to be given or how they were processed. The people who enabled this crap need to be shot full of unknown chemicals without their permission.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Life without parole is plenty.

    A lot less expensive, too.

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    WereBear says:

    @jl: I guess if we could get to that endpoint without involving innocent people first, it would be a good public demonstration of why their approach to life just kinda don’t work out, and their support would collapse even more.

    Only the damaged find this dysfunctional approach appealing. Sad.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:

    @BGinCHI:

    It didn’t end so well for the subaru.

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    jl says:

    @WereBear: I do not recommend that approach myself. Only pointing out where it will end even if these fools got everything they wanted. They would start turning on each other, their stolid righteous white sovereign citizen brethren. And then they would shoot each other up right quick.

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    kc says:

    There’s precedent for a private paramilitary group to detain and question civilians: http://tinyurl.com/mo6tgr6

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    J R in WV says:

    @Killjoy:

    This is happened to me dozens of time already!

    It’s called the Border Patrol, and they don’t have to have any probably cause to pull out of your vehicle. You have to prove you’re a citizen of the USA, and if you can’t, they gotcha!

    Papers please isn’t often the demand, but they will ask “Is everyone a citizen?” … I dunno what the next question is… does everyone have legal right to be here? Frequently I’m tempted to say “Si, Senor, all citizens here!” But have never succumbed to the temptation.

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    Jebediah, RBG says:

    @raven:
    Is that the aftermath of a naked mopping incident?

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    gbear says:

    What’s to prevent the local busness community, say grocery stores and gas stations, to set up their own version of check points and make sure that everyone who buys gas and groceries is a ‘local’ in order to make a purchase? If I owned a restaruant near one of these checkpoints, I’d be using the same logic to determine who I’d serve. How can the guys working the checkpoints argue that logic?

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    raven says:

    @Jebediah, RBG: Ha, from all accounts some ammo cooked off in a carrier and a chain explosion went off.

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    pluege says:

    republicans are blood-lusting sadists. Their incessant haranguing about Benghazi has NOTHING to do with the 4 dead Americans – it has EVERYTHING to do with republicans leveraging the tragedy of 4 dead Americans for political purposes. Just more plain vanilla everyday garden variety vile republican indecency. The possibility of hundreds senselessly dead and maimed for their crazed psycho lunacy is much more in their sweet spot than having to pretend to care about dead people.

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    pluege says:

    republicans are blood-lusting sadists. Their incessant haranguing about Benghazi has NOTHING to do with the 4 dead Americans – it has EVERYTHING to do with republicans leveraging the tragedy of 4 dead Americans for political purposes. Just more plain vanilla everyday garden variety vile republican indecency. The possibility of hundreds senselessly dead and maimed for their crazed psycho lunacy is much more in their sweet spot than having to pretend to care about dead people.

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    jake the anti-social socialist says:

    There is one particular winger on one message board I frequent who thinks that the Benghazi “coverup” had something to do
    with Obama covering for Muslim Brotherhood. He is sort of like Michele Bachmann dialed up to 11, if you can imagine that.
    He is also a conservative Catholic who thinks that Vatican II is the cause of the child abuse scandal and has led to
    all other current problems of the Catholic Church. And the beatification of both Popes associated with Vatican II is the real scandal.

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    jake the anti-social socialist says:

    The wingers can’t seem to get the concept that Bundy is just a Goddam thief as well as a racist asshole.

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    Chris says:

    @J R in WV:

    What do you mean, “they gotcha?” What happens if you can’t prove it?

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    Chris says:

    @pluege:

    Speaking as an FSO brat, the usual conservative response to anything State Department related is to snigger something clever about the wimpy suits whose idea of exercise is lifting a wine glass and never go anywhere near danger anyway… while yawning past every embassy attack that doesn’t have a convenient Democratic President to pin it on. (Extra points if they spew something about how “this would NEVER have happened if Saint REAGAN were still president!”)

    Listening to all these people suddenly pour their heart out about how deeply they cared for the poor murdered State personnel sent me back to Rick’s line from Casablanca: “They got a lucky break. Yesterday, the were just two German couriers. Today, they’re the Honored Dead.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Chris: A high school classmate of mine was a Marine embassy guard who was killed in a bomb attack in San Salvador during the Reagan presidency. Not an FSO, but someone assigned to the embassy.

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    Chris says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Ugh. I am very sorry someone you knew ended up there.

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    jl says:

    I take back my stupid and ignorant and already debunked ideas about the evolution of sovereign citizen hatitude.

    They will start turning on each other the minute they don’t have anything else to occupy their goofy little heads.

    The sovereign citizen posse is riven by schism! Coward Oath-keepers scamper, desert, and traitorize themselves over hare-brained anonymous tip that feds will done-kill them any minute now, and stolid real sovereign citizen Bundy Internal Security Forces ban them from Bundy sovereign citizen lands!

    Hot Gossip: Cliven Bundy’s Militia Buddies Have Broken Up, Are Never Ever Getting Back Together
    http://wonkette.com/547807/hot.....k-together

    So, I wonder if the people doing the checkponts are still really sovereign citizen militias, or yeller bellied desertin’ cowards who are loafin’ off the good local citizens of Nevada? How can we tell?

    The muzzle with the bustle is the crew that is true,
    but the drones from the tones turn the keepers into bleepers…? I dunno, I give up.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Chris: I must offer a slight correction. It wasn’t a bomb; it was a shooting. He was kind of an asshole but he didn’t deserve that.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    If this situation isn’t dealt with decisively then armed hate is definitely going to get bigger.

    Well the outcome of this incident probably won’t make you feel any better….

    A white supremacist was sentenced Tuesday to probation for terrorizing a North Dakota town he sought to transform into a racist enclave.

    Under a plea deal, 62-year-old Craig Cobb will serve four years of supervised probation for one felony count of terrorizing and five counts of menacing. He had been jailed since mid-November, when he and Kynan Dutton were arrested while patrolling Leith with guns, threatening and frightening some of the town’s 16 residents…

    Leith officials had wanted prison time and they said they remained afraid of Cobb and his associates.

    “There was no justice served in my opinion at all,” Leith Mayor Ryan Schock said afterward, The Forum of Fargo-Moorheadreported. “When are we going to be safe from him? He has made his mark on our lives.”

    Council member Lee Cook, one of Cobb’s victims, called the sentence “a failure of justice.”

    “I mean, this guy got off. He made our lives living hell, me and my family, his family,” he said, motioning to the mayor. “And now he’s walking the streets again.”

    How the hell do you pull that shit and only get probation?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mandalay: Good lawyering.

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    dww44 says:

    @Lizzy L: For this, I thank you. I’m a year older and I’m not pleased with being typecast with the Bundy’s of my generation either. Nor am I ready to be consigned to the dustbin of history. I’ve got plans.

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    Bill D. says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Just like Sarah Palin is the voice of Generation X and James O’Keefe is the voice of the Millenials. Hey, what goes around comes around. ;-)

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    PhilbertDesanex says:

    @Judge Crater: perhaps FOX will move to Richmond or Montgomery, once they cheer Civil War II into starting

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    PhilbertDesanex says:

    @jl: True dat. Also Eisenhower, on civil rights, didn’t fuck around in Little Rock but called out the 101st Airborne. Also he appointed most of the ‘liberal’ judges who did the follow-on bread-and-butter decisions that pushed us into the 20th century. Until Reagan, anyway

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    Fred says:

    @max: GOLLY! Thanks for clearing that up. I knew it was sumpthin’ like that goin’ on.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I visited the US Embassy in San Salvador in ’85. The thing was (and probably still is) a fortress. Heavy, thick and tall stone walls all around the compound. Multiple security checkpoints all the way into the Embassy proper itself.

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    tybee says:

    @raven:
    whiting are in and beginning to show up in decent numbers. i believe in front of the king and prince on jekyll is where the locals gather to fish.
    reds in the surf at the inlets.
    haven’t heard of any trout off the beaches yet but some friends of mine got into a bunch at a creek mouth in one of the sounds.
    was at the lazeretto boat ramp sunday – returning from an oyster stalking expedition – and a boat came in with a claim of landing a marlin at the stream earlier in the day but that’s in the neighborhood of 70 miles offshore. long ways to go in a 28 foot outboard.
    as to our expedition: we hid in our canoe blind and made noises like nutrient rich waters until we lured the bivalves into bucket range. got 3 five gallon buckets full of nice ones. there will be oyster cocktails each and every night until they’re gone….

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    Pogonip says:

    @BGinCHI: The tank would just end up in a field somewhere along the way.

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    Peter VE says:

    Armed rabble setting up checkpoints and seizing government property? Nevada or Ukraine? When will the Praetorian Guard militia come clean about the money Putin is funneling them?

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    TerryC says:

    @dww44: “Nor am I ready to be consigned to the dustbin of history. I’ve got plans.” Heck, me too. This is the beginning of our third third, lots of time to do things.

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