NY Times, What Are You Doing?

I pay for a digital subscription to the Times because, for all her faults and continued employment of Dowd, Brooks, and Friedman, it is still my go to source for news. But for the last two weeks, whenever I go to the Times website, I have a full page ad I have to close, and then, once I do that, I get the NY Times front page and see I am logged in, but another ad covers half the god damned page until I click it. And if I click the minute “x” in the wrong place, I get yet another pop-up ad.

Why would anyone treat paying subscribers this way? Jack my monthly charge up a couple dollars and stop fucking with me, you morons. Hey- thanks for the subscription. We’re going to treat you shittier than everyone else who doesn’t pay to read us (and I say that because I never get the pop-up ads on public computers in which I am not logged in as a member).

Baffling. Is Judith Miller still working there in the subscriptions department?

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    Ted says:

    Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus. No ads.

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    Kropadope says:

    As a non-paying daily reader, I can assure you the ads aren’t special for payers. Maybe the public computers you’re using have ad-block or aren’t updated to support the ads?

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    ulee says:

    You shouldn’t subscribe. Go with the links.

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    ulee says:

    You shouldn’t subscribe. Go with the links.

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    ulee says:

    dammit, double posts again.

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    srv says:

    I can’t use Google Maps because there’s always a “Welcome to the new maps” popup.

    Can’t have a browser not saving cookies. Apparently they’ve paid Adblock to, you know, not adblock teh google.

    Thanks! I’m finally google free!

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    some guy says:

    hee, Kerry warns the Trilateral Commission (yes, they are still around) that Israel is becoming an Apartheid State.

    the flying monkeys are furious. Juan Cole has 5 ways Kerry is understating the apartheid nature of the Zionist regime:


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    beltane says:

    I’m sure the ads are in good taste. We should be honored that we are allowed to see the same posh ads our betters were intended to see.

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    Richard Shindledecker says:

    No Judy isn’t there but the dicks she was sucking are still running the rag. 42 years living in this town, gave up on the NYT 17 years ago. No one edits it.

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    srv says:

    @some guy: WTF. IDK how Hillary or Biden keep quiet on this one.

    John McCain’s SoS has gone too far.

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    M. Bouffant says:

    I can’t tell you how many sites I’ve dropped from my reader because every time you open one there’s some bullshit between you & the story. Slate & its stupid Slate+ are the latest offenders.
    Between the FCC & these idiots killing their golden geese I pronounce the iNternet over.

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    Cacti says:

    O/T but I just got some horribly sad news on the book of faces this evening.

    The Mom of one of my best friends from high school days unexpectedly passed away today.

    She was in her early 60s.


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    Bob In Portland says:

    I agree, John. It’s getting worse than some of those Spanish-language porn sites.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cacti: The father of an ex-girlfriend for high school died last Friday. In retrospect, he was more likeable than she was.

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    mawado says:


    If you’re using chrome, works like a charm. Sat down at an unfamiliar computer a few weeks ago and was shocked at how much crap appeared.

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    John Cole says:

    And I know this will get me flamed, but Kristof is unreadable.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @John Cole: Why would that get you flamed? Hell, even if it is on the list, it must be on page 13 or 14.

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    jl says:

    @srv: People should complain to google. Every time I have to deal with their ‘new’ google maps, I find the pop up that lets me tell them why I am sticking the old version. Basically, they removed a lot of useful features, and put photo album crap in its place.

    I guess one day I will break down and ‘sign up for google’, whatever that means, so I can send them some text that chews them out.

    Not sure how much of it is malice versus getting sloppy. Maybe its a glitch on my system, but sometimes I want the crappy new version of google Earth, and the route back to the new garbage version of maps disappears.

    I think the new google maps sucks. I took their brief tour, I clicked through their how-to lessons, and didn’t learn anything from either that was not immediately obvious upon opening up the new map or earth version. Did some microsoft suit take over the google maps division and is fouling it up, or what?

    Edit: If I am dumb and missing some wonderful new features of new google maps other than photo albums and some stupid social media garbage, let me know.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @srv: Yes, how dare Kerry say what Ehud Barak, Shimon Peres, and a plurality of the Israeli public have been saying for years. Off with his foreskin head!

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    some guy says:

    the only reason we have IE on our box is to read the Times.

    step 1: open IE, delete browsing history
    step 2: open NYT
    step 3: find the small x and close the scrolldown ad
    step 4: read up to 10 articles

    rinse, lather, repeat as necessary.

    Krugman on M/F, and the book reviews and auto reviews, as well as just to see what’s on A1, is really why I go there. Also, reading Anne Barnard’s latest propaganda missive from the March 14th Press Office in Beirut, cheering on the latest advance by al Qaeda against the godless Baathists, is always fun too, especially when it makes it ‘above the fold” in the electronic edition.

    but that’s just me

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    some guy says:

    the style section is fun to read, too. what with me being so unstylish.

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    Cacti says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The father of an ex-girlfriend for high school died last Friday. In retrospect, he was more likeable than she was.

    I still have warm feelings for this friend and his folks, although I’ve not seen any of them in a long time.

    Just terribly sad for him, his old man, and his siblings.

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    some guy says:


    stupid, or merely clueless?

    should I even care?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cacti: The ex-gf was on the Ed Show on Thursday. Her dad was a massively fat guy who used joke about needing two napkins when he ate – one on his lap and one tucked into his shirt for the food to rolled down toward his lap.

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    Punchy says:

    You actually spent money on the NYT? Can I sell you a few bridges and a handful of exotic dihydrogen oxide?

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    Cacti says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The ex-gf was on the Ed Show on Thursday. Her dad was a massively fat guy who used joke about needing two napkins when he ate – one on his lap and one tucked into his shirt for the food to rolled down toward his lap.

    My grandmother also passed away in early March.

    So, all in all, this hasn’t been a happy couple of months for me.


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    muddy says:

    @some guy: I look at the headlines and then google “ny times” and some word or phrase from the headline. Even if I just clicked on it and it was closed, when I click through from google it opens. I used to do this with WaPo but it doesn’t let you anymore.

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    some guy says:


    sorry for your losses.

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    some guy says:

    @muddy: not quite sure what WaPo is doing with their site now. just finished the Trusted User/Commenter re-registration. they are taking much more care recently to make sure your laptop/cellphone/tablet Buys In Now.


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    Violet says:

    @John Cole: The last time he was mentioned I mixed him up with Bill Kristol, so yeah, I really thought he was unreadable.

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    Mandalay says:


    IDK how Hillary or Biden keep quiet on this one.

    Easy – because Kerry’s remarks were obviously cleared and approved by his boss. Biden and Clinton can give their opinions if and when they start campaigning, but not before.

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    Cacti says:

    @some guy:


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    some guy says:


    Bill Kristol has already given his opinion about what Hill should (or shouldn’t) do:

    “It is no longer enough for the White House to clean up after the messes John Kerry has made. It is time for John Kerry to step down as Secretary of State, or for President Obama to fire him. And it would go a long way toward repairing the damage Kerry has done if his predecessor as Secretary of State, who is the likely Democratic Party nominee for president, explained why this kind of rhetoric had no place in her State Department and why it will have no place in her presidential campaign.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Does anyone know why Paul Krugman took a cameo role in Get Him to the Greek?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    IMDb had nothing. Maybe he thinks Russell Brand is funny.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: He does a very good job of looking bemused.

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    Paul W. says:

    LA Times is the only readable major newspaper for me. Otherwise it’s straight to Google News or Reuters/McClatchy, or even more often just clicking favorite blogs.

    NY Times is not great, and has been worse recently.

    On new media 538 is boring as fuck and nowhere near as introspective/investigatory as I hoped while Vox is doing quite well digging into issues but also leaving them as an open topic with multiple entries on it. I hate the “one and done” attitude of 538, there’s no narrative, and back in 2008 with Nate’s and the other guy’s analysis (Sean?) were just amazing to see them dig into local and national elements of actually GETTING votes, and the voting process.

    Now, what the hell does 538 contribute? It hasn’t been better than slate so far, and I couldn’t be more disappointed. Thank goodness for Booman Tribune, where at least I get to find out about the process of making laws and campaigning.

    Paul +4

    Oh, the original point of my comment was to say that commenting on an MSM website hasn’t been productive since 2010. Despite great writers like Benan/Plum/Krugman.

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    some guy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Google, Still Our Friend

    I think it was four or five takes. I spent a total of about an hour and a half hanging around.
    I think I was forewarned, so I probably was acting.
    Actually I barely interacted with the cast — but I hung around with the crew and the director, talking about what was involved in making a movie.
    My answer is, lighten up! I had fun for part of an afternoon, then went back to my regular stuff. I wouldn’t have done it if it had involved travel or any serious time drain.
    I was paid scale, because the rules say they have to do that; I have no idea how much that was, but it obviously didn’t amount to much even in depreciated kronor.
    Well, unless I become a physicist in my old age, it’s hard to see how I get another Nobel. But I don’t expect to become a movie star either.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @some guy: Link?

    Thanks. It was just something that was minorly amusing to me as I expect it was designed to be.

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    Mandalay says:

    @some guy:

    It is time for John Kerry to step down as Secretary of State, or for President Obama to fire him.

    Heh. Kristol wants Kerry to go because of his apartheid remarks, and that’s about the only reason I want him to stay. Kerry isn’t the brightest bulb on the tree, but he is dead right on Israel.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Sounds like a Being John Malkovich situation — the writer wrote the scene not really thinking they could get Krugman, and then Krugman agreed to do it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich.

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    some guy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    in your browser there is a small window at the top where you can enter what is called a URL . Once you locate that, if you type http://www.google.com into that small input window you will find a website that offers users an unexpected treasure trove of data.

    Once you get to this site called Google you could enter a query like ” why Paul Krugman took a cameo role in Get Him to the Greek?” and lo and behold you (or your hired assistant, aide, researcher, or paralegal) would find out that Paul Krugman (tentatively) answered your question on June 11th, 2010.

    Google.com. You should really look into it. they also do email

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @some guy: Are you completely humorless?

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    some guy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    that’s not what you sister says.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yes. God, yes.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Mandalay: I think John Kerry’s worst mistake at State is degree of difficulty. I can almost forgive him for almost getting us to war in Syria since we met our WMD goals without, ultimately, bombing. However, I gotta applaud him for giving the college try on Israel/Palestine. He got the parties back to the table, he contributed some good ideas, and he played a pretty good honest broker, not pussyfooting with extremists or negotiation saboteurs on either side. This isn’t the first truth he’s spoken about Israel.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @some guy: Jesus fuck. I was trying to make light of our previous interactions; I assumed that you had left out the link on purpose for a similar reason. The original question was really just a random conversational gambit. I thought that those things were somewhat obvious.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @some guy: That’s not helping disprove OO.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🌷 Martin: Well, my brother had a penchant for cross-dressing on Halloween.

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    jl says:

    Off topic, but, wow, talk about ninniies.

    Boehner’s Tea Party Challenger Loses Job Over ‘Electile Dysfunction’ Ad

    ‘ House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) primary challenger has lost his job as an adjunct professor at a small Christian university in Cedarville, Ohio over an ad in which the challenger, J.D. Winteregg, said Boehner suffers from “electile dysfunction.” ‘

    ‘ In an interview with The Washington Post on Monday Winteregg said that the ad was what caused Cedarville to end its ties with him.

    “They said because of the ad that my relationship with them will be done. It’s over,” Winteregg said on Monday. “The ad obviously touched a nerve.” ‘


    I wonder what nerve was touched? Couldn’t be in their head, since no nerves or anything else in there.

    Johnny Bones, that cheap two-bit hood, have any serious primary opponents?

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    some guy says:


    Jenghazi Rubin’s flying monkeys are all in a blather. I await with bated breath c und d gulag’s query of Jenghazi and the Pravy Sektor Regular’s if Obama has taken Bill Kristol’s advice and fired John Kerry yet?

    pass the apartheid popcorn and SodaStream

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    some guy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Gazoogle, Not Just For Underpaid Paralegals Anymore

    did I mention they also offer email?

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    some guy says:

    @🌷 Martin:

    got a link for that?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @some guy: I was really trying to offer an olive branch. We disagree on a number of things but it doesn’t mean we need to be assholes. If you prefer being assholes, that’s fine.

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    J.Ty says:

    @some guy: If you *really* want to be a dick you should use links from that Let Me Google That For You site. Forget how to get there though…

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    some guy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    wow, an olive branch to a scumbag (or was it douchebag?) like me? how sweet.

    got a link for that?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @some guy: I tried.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: got a link for that?

    ETA: is joke, no font for that

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    John Weiss says:

    @John Cole: John, kristol is readable. If you’re used to eating cat shit.

    I find him unreadable as well, lost my taste for it.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Regarding links …

    I prefer recursion.

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    jl says:


    ” We should be honored that we are allowed to see the same posh ads our betters were intended to see. ”

    I am not even near not quite rich enough to understand, let alone want, some of the stuff I see in NYT ads. I am not even sure whether the stuff I see is what is for sale.

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    jl says:

    @John Cole:

    I hereby internet flame the vile, hapless and sinister Cole for finding Krostiffol, or whatever NYTer he’s talking about, unreadable.

    You want more where that came from, Cole?

    Ha, the big coward left the thread! I win.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The scene where the guy chucks a beer can at Malkovich on the side of the highway? Improvised without permission (scroll to #5). From what I’ve heard of Malkovich’s own improvisational techniques, it sounds like it was also karma finally coming due.

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    srv says:

    @Mandalay: Obviously cleared

    In a statement Monday evening, the secretary of state said if he ‘could rewind the tape,’ he wouldn’t have used the word ‘apartheid’ in his warning about Israel.

    John Kerry apologized Monday for warning last week that the lack of a two-state solution in the Middle East could lead to Israel becoming an “apartheid state.” Kerry’s remarks, made in a closed door meeting of the Trilateral Commission and first reported by The Daily Beast Sunday night, provoked strong reactions from across the political spectrum.

    In a statement issued Monday evening, Kerry defended his record as a supporter of Israel but also said, “if I could rewind the tape, I would have chosen a different word to describe my firm belief that the only way in the long term to have a Jewish state and two nations and two peoples living side by side in peace and security is through a two state solution.”

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    Mandalay says:


    I can almost forgive him for almost getting us to war in Syria since we met our WMD goals without, ultimately, bombing.

    Yes, Kerry arguably got very lucky over Syria, but the results so far are not bad at all, given that there was and is no “good” outcome.

    But, as with Snowden and Stiviano, (mis)perceptions of Kerry’s motives and tactics matter far less than what he ends up achieving.

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    Mandalay says:


    Obviously cleared

    Just because he is making a retraction now does not mean that it was not cleared from above initially.

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    Mandalay says:


    the results so far are not bad at all


    Trust that the Syrian regime is committed to banning the use of chemical weapons is withering amid allegations that it gassed rebel areas with industrial chlorine.

    On top of that, Syria missed a self-imposed deadline to remove the last of its chemical weapons from the country Sunday, and questions are also being raised about the accuracy of the regime’s declared inventory of lethal chemical agents. The delays and lingering uncertainty place additional pressure on Syria to meet a June 30 deadline for destroying all of its chemical weapons facilities and equipment.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:


    Not sure what can or should be done in Syria. Both sides have their share of bad guys. I suspect that the war there has gone on for so long that even if peace were to break out tomorrow Syria would become a fractured state like Libya.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    Sounds like the south is getting hammered by storms. Stay safe everyone.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Mandalay: So the part where over 90% of their arsenal has been peacefully surrendered counts as… what, then?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @🌷 Martin: My kiddo is away at a school club event being held in a town that is right in the path of the storms. Gives me something new to worry about!

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    Montarvillois says:

    I’m a subscriber to the NYT but not having the trouble you’re currently experiencing with pop-ads, probably because I live in Canada and not a target for these particular advertisers.

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    NotMax says:

    For those without HBO who might have an interest in the Oliver show’s premiere, HBO has put it up on YouTube, here.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: I watched a bit of it, I guess since it was just like the daily show with swearing I wasn’t blown away.

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    NotMax says:


    Haven’t watched any of it myself. :)

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    Narcissus says:

    @Bob In Portland: I think I need an illustrative for-instance

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    raven says:

    @Narcissus: I’m sure Bob has been waiting 6 1/2 hours to reply.

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    JPL says:

    Good Morning. It’s windy here and the mutt decided that laps are safe havens. Weather channel is providing a live stream for those without cable.

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    NotMax says:


    Maybe will take a look-see tomorrow. Eyes kind of glazed over from Children’s Week event on Warcraft starting today, having run orphans all over hither and yon for way too many hours.

    Not particularly a big fan of Stewart’s show, either (even though a friend from here was an intern on the program*). Find it occasionally humorous, but nowhere near as sharp or clever as I remember the old That was The Week That Was being, and too often the punchlines are as predictable as the Capistrano swalllows.

    *I’m sworn to silence on the juicy stories on and off set.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @raven: That was my take also.

    I really didn’t get people saying how great Oliver was on TDS. He was good sure but I didn’t notice he read the lines written for him substantially better or worse than Stewart. Since all they are going to do is be TDS+bewbies it would boil down to writers and I can’t see them being better than the original, as good as but not better.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    Three times I have responded to special offers and subscribed to the NYT weekend package. Three times I have gotten bills. Three times I have seen not a single paper.

    Of course, I did it three times so I’m a slow learner. They keep sending me the offers even now.

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    barry says:

    @some guy:

    I thought that the GOOPERs were fond of arpatheid.

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    raven says:

    @JPL: 6 shot up there.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @raven: That’s exactly what I thought. Exactly. I was kind of disappointed, and I was a bit surprised to see people here calling it “brilliant”. I thought it was “fine”.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    It’s really quite simple, John.

    You are the product being delivered to the Times’ true customer, the advertisers.

    Your needs are unimportant in the short term, which is the only term MBAs think of.

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    J R in WV says:

    Geezers, well some of ’em! But it’s gotta be the right kind a Apartheit, though.

    Goobers. though… who’re they?

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    MvR says:

    I’m stupid enough to get the Kindle subscription *and* pay for a Sunday paper, which seems to come most weeks but not others and which doesn’t seem to be sent even a day after I call to report the missing paper. Nor do they have a , a way that one can complain about the overall pattern of bad service as opposed to a particular missed delivery, at least by phone. And when one emails about that issue one seems to get no response. There’s an old saying about the day before yesterday’s papers, or wait a minute it was about yesterday’s papers, and I seem to be getting no paper at all some of the time . . .

    I want them to do well and remain in business, and but they make it hard to feel good about paying for a hard copy Sunday subscription at $8.50 a week. (Can you tell this was one of the weeks they missed delivering and haven’t responded to calls or emails? I mean I’m not always this cranky.)

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