Yesterday Once More

Reader J sends the new dumbness:

whos_the_real_racist

You can Google for those links, but here are the facts:

Records show Sterling has donated just $6,000, with no activity since the early 1990s. He supported Gray Davis early in his career, as well as Bill Bradley.

It’s almost like Joe Biden called up his biracial girlfriend and had a fight over the picture of her and Magic Johnson she posted on Instagram. Almost.

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109 replies
  1. 1
    Professor says:

    Steve M at No Mister Nice blog noted that the donations were from a different Donald Sterling.

  2. 2
    Baud says:

    Did you know Lincoln was a Republican?

  3. 3
    gf120581 says:

    Sterling’s never been much for politics, especially not as far as donations go. Which isn’t surprising, given he’s a notorious cheapskate (a big reason why the Clippers have been so awful for most of his tenure).

  4. 4
    Baud says:

    @Professor:

    Haha. So it’s like when Bill Ayers visited Obama in the White House.

  5. 5
    Baud says:

    According to Twitter, Obama commented in Sterling. If the comments are as strong as they sound, I suggest front paging them.

  6. 6
    Poopyman says:

    @Professor:

    Steve M at No Mister Nice blog noted that the donations were from a different Donald Sterling.

    So? It’s now out that he’s a Democrat. (Never mind the gap between who you donate to and what party you support.) I’m sure the MSM will repeat the allegations without checking, and any future corrections will be buried deep. But of course there will be no future corrections.

  7. 7
    The Dangerman says:

    Being an LA person and a basketball junkie (obligatory GO BRUINS here) , I’ve read all sorts of stories about Sterling for decades. He has a wing at the HOF of Dicks; an asshole’s asshole, no doubt about it. Dolan (Knicks owner) doesn’t come close to his dickitude.

    That said, I’m not sure I trust the piece of work that is his girlfriend/mistress (getting sued for around $2M, which I guess is the total worth of the gifts from Sterling of her West LA condo, Ferrarri, multiple Bentley’s. etc; apparently, being a “girlfriend” to billionaires pays really well)…

    ….and (I should note here I listened to only a few seconds of the recording) it sounds to me like the octagenarian (Sterling is 80+) is either experiencing Dementia issues or was well on his way to being intoxicated/wasted when he was having his argument with the girlfriend/hooker.

    It’s well time for this asshole to be out of basketball based on a lifetime of his “efforts” in the game (I’m not sure this recording makes his top ten, but I’m on my first cuppa Joe) but it’s kinda sad that this will be the final straw given some of the character of this cast of characters…

  8. 8
    lamh36 says:

    Obama Responds To ‘Ignorance’ Of Clippers Owner’s Racist Remarks http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....t-comments

  9. 9
    gene108 says:

    The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that if a Democrat came out as a racist other Democrats would denounce him without a second thought.

    On the other hand, Republicans sometimes have to dance around their associations with the person because they cannot come right out and denounce the person without alienating their constituencies.

  10. 10
    debbie says:

    @Professor: This “instantaneous” fact-sharing is going to be the death of this country.

  11. 11
    Gian says:

    Local news had a soundbite from Obama. Basically that the NBA and African Americans are linked and he has confidence the NBA commissioner will do the right thing.
    Local la news is referring to the girlfriend as his mistress and discussing the lawsuit too.

    Soundbite from Magic is classic. Something like I can respect if you’re openly racist to my face but to smile shake my hand and talk like this…

  12. 12
    dan says:

    Remember how, up till now, Sterling was covered on MSNBC almost non-stop over some or other very serious progressive principal? Nah, me neither.

  13. 13
    lamh36 says:

    @The Dangerman: is it now considered embezzlement for mistresses to accept gifts from cheating husbands?

    Also too suing the mistress instead of divorcing the husband?

    As for elderly dementia…ok, but there are a lot of racist elderly not being taped true, but dementia doesn’t make them less so?

    Plus as you say thus dude has a history of racial discrimination

  14. 14

    Meanwhile, in Chattanooga, TN yesterday, tens of neo-Nazis showed up for a “rally” and got thoroughly mocked by hundreds of counterprotestors. “You’re looking sad, Master Race” taunted one.

    It’s good to know that despite the Cliven Bundy’s and Donald Sterlings of the word, there are even more who are NOT like this, and not afraid to get off their asses and shout it from the rooftops.

  15. 15

    Meanwhile, in Chattanooga, TN yesterday, tens of neo-Nazis showed up for a “rally” and got thoroughly mocked by hundreds of counterprotestors. “You’re looking sad, Master Race” taunted one.

    It’s good to know that despite the Cliven Bundy’s and Donald Sterlings of the word, there are even more who are NOT like this, and not afraid to get off their asses and shout it from the rooftops.

  16. 16

    @Professor:

    Steve M at No Mister Nice blog noted that the donations were from a different Donald Sterling.

    HILARIOUS!

    God the epic fail that is the right wing conservative smear machine.

  17. 17
    lamh36 says:

    BTW, the question about Sterling to POTUS was asked by Chuck Todd’s swarmy ass.

    RT”@michele_norris: Good question.  Thoughts? RT“@Meche64: @michele_norris Would US press have asked prior presidents about it?””

  18. 18
    The Dangerman says:

    @lamh36:

    Plus as you say thus dude has a history of racial discrimination.

    No question, he’s a dick and I suspect he was (is?) a virulent racist; that said, I still question the tape based on who was recording it and the possible capacity issues already noted.

    ETA: …and how this has reached the point of Obama being asked for comment is crazy.

  19. 19
    Amir Khalid says:

    So David Sterling, vile racist capitalist-pig owner of the LA Clippers, has been apolitical with his money for the last 20-some years? He’s still a vile racist, even if there’s no party to claim him.

  20. 20
    gene108 says:

    @debbie:

    This “instantaneous” fact-sharing is going to be the death of this country.

    The internet is what keeps the Obama Administration from getting bogged down in the “drama” Bill Clinton experienced. Getting facts out to rebut right-wing lies almost instantaneously has helped defang the worst of the right-wing venom.

    The Right cannot keep their bullshit going for as long as they did in the 1990’s, before it gets debunked and therefore most of the craziest right-wing attempts at scandal mongering have turned into nothing-burgers for them like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the Obama Rezko “connection”, etc.

    We mock the Right for trying to blow the trivial into major scandals, but they succeeded at this in the 1990’s with devastating effects for this country.

  21. 21
    Violet says:

    Fucking Today Show and Chuck Todd. The do the story on Sterling, followed immediately with “Even President Obama is weighing in. At a news conference in Malaysia just hours ago, our own Chuck Todd asked the President for comment.” Of course he did. Chuck Toddler can’t be bothered to ask policy questions. He has to ask the black president about racial issues. Again.

  22. 22
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Violet:
    Chuck Todd came all the way to KL just to ask the President about this guy? Dear me.

  23. 23
    Baud says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Good for TN!

  24. 24

    @Baud:

    So rare for us…

  25. 25
    Baud says:

    @gene108:

    Agree.

  26. 26

    @Violet:

    RW whining that Obama is being “divisive” in 5…4…3….

  27. 27

    Also, has Chuck Todd weighed in how the Donald Sterling affair affects Hillary’s 2016 presidential prospects yet?

    /snark

  28. 28
    dmsilev says:

    @Violet: “Even the President is weighing in”? Seriously? I mean, they asked Obama specifically to comment. If he hadn’t answered, it would have been “President Obama dodged questions about…”.

    Jackasses.

  29. 29
    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    BTW, the question about Sterling to POTUS was asked by Chuck Todd’s swarmy ass.

    Mr. President, if there is a race war in this country, which side would you fight on? #questionstoddwillaskby2016

  30. 30
    dmsilev says:

    @Amir Khalid: Speaking for a large swath of America, we’d like to apologize for inflicting Chuck Todd on you.

  31. 31
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Southern Beale:
    Just wait, it’ll happen: some rightwing blogger will unearth a donation by Donald Somebdyelse Sterling to Hillary’s campaign, and go to town with it.

  32. 32
    Amir Khalid says:

    Fuck. After parking the bus at Anfield all through the first half, Chelsea have scored against Liverpool and now lead 1-0. FUCK.

  33. 33
    bemused says:

    @Southern Beale:

    I’ve always loved Molly Ivin’s story about a KKK rally at Austin capitol probably in the early 90’s. 5,000 locals had an alternate rally, Moon the Klan, and mooned the 50 KKKers in unison making a beautiful moon wave.

  34. 34
    Mike in NC says:

    You can Google for those links

    Sorry but I just ate breakfast.

  35. 35
    Violet says:

    @Amir Khalid: It’s really all Chuck Todd knows how to do. He’s not qualified to ask policy questions.

    @dmsilev: Yep. It was kind of shocking. They did the expected story on Sterling and the issue, followed right by the female host standing by a large TV screen saying that. Then, of course, David Gregory weighed in. He was on the big TV screen, so that’s why she was standing by it. Complete parade of losers.

  36. 36
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Shouldn’t Chuck Todd have asked Daniel Stern about Donald Sterling instead of president Obama? Sterling’s racism wasn’t exactly a secret in the NBA, from what I understand.

  37. 37
    maya says:

    Cummon folks, we all know how Affirmative Action has been responsible for all those black athletes being in BBall. Especially on The Other Donald’s Clippers. Why if it wasn’t for AA there could be more 7’9″ Asians playing.

  38. 38
    Steeplejack says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yeah, unfortunate miscue by Steven Gerrard.

    I’m hurrying to make breakfast so I can watch the second half. It will be exciting.

  39. 39
    TR says:

    @Baud:

    Did you know Robert Byrd was a Klansman in the 1940s?

  40. 40
    Debbie says:

    @gene108:

    I hear what you’re saying, but the lies don’t disappear and the truth can still be dismissed and ignored. Obama’s birth certificate “forgery” caused no less damage than Vince Foster’s “execution.”

  41. 41
    Amir Khalid says:

    This is quite a twist on the usual non-apology.

  42. 42
    Rob Patterson says:

    “Here are the facts” is not a great way to link to an unsourced article from a website called http://basketball.realgm.com. Just saying. So far there is zero evidence that the Clippers’ owner (as opposed to “people named Donald Sterling”) ever donated to anyone.

  43. 43
    ruemara says:

    FML. The girlfriend is a hooker, now? Way to blame her for her racist sugar daddy. It may be something I would or could do, but if being exotic beautiful girlfriend to aged billionaires is her talent, judge that as being lacking. But calling her a hooker and insinuating that a known bigot and bit of filthy scrum was somehow being lead on by her, that’s some serious dissonance right there.

  44. 44
    The Dangerman says:

    OK, hooker may be a little strong; how about “high end escort”? Reportedly, Sterling isn’t the first of her megabucks “boyfriends”.

  45. 45
    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Dangerman:
    Whatever. She’s not the racist here, you know.

  46. 46
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @The Dangerman: So? What’s your point?

  47. 47
    Jordan Rules says:

    @ruemara: Yup. Been seeing a lot that bullshit too. Layers of disgust with this story and some of the reactions. SMH

    I wonder if men who date married women get called hookers. No I don’t, we already know.

  48. 48
    WaterGirl says:

    @Amir Khalid: I saw the photo at your link, and it explains a lot. (To me, at least.) The woman may be part black and part hispanic, but I’ll bet Sterling sees her as asian, so she’s exotic. Not like those other darker-skinned people.

  49. 49

    Pretty sure this will make the tour of the right wing blogs, they will consider their point proven, and nobody else will hear this ‘He’s a Democrat’ accusation. All I care about is insulated Americans getting smacked in the face with the reality of racism today.

    @The Dangerman:
    If she’s happy with that, I don’t see it as my business.

  50. 50
    Violet says:

    @ruemara: This is exactly right. There’s not only racism involved but sexism as well. Sterling is the one who is married. He’s the one stepping out on his wife. Yet somehow the young woman he’s apparently been involved with for several years is a hooker? WTF?

  51. 51
    Ed in NJ says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: DAVID Stern retired. Adam Silver is the NBA commissioner.

  52. 52
    The Dangerman says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    So? What’s your point?

    I’m saying we have a complete shit (Sterling) that may have been outed by another person of questionable character; excuse me, but I don’t think I’ll have her babysit for me anytime soon.

  53. 53
    Joshua Norton says:

    He supported Gray Davis early in his career, as well as Bill Bradley.

    Ooooooh! Quel scandale! Donating to a weak DNC DINO governor who couldn’t even get his own party to go to bat for him during the recall vote and the mayor of a city where your team plays must be a sign of political affirmation. It’s not like you’re trying to buy favors or anything. Oh no.

  54. 54
    Birthmarker says:

    I only read the transcript which of course misses the nuance, but it read to me more as a jealous boyfriend being embarrassed by her interest in younger black males rather than wild eyed racism. Since he dates a biracial woman, is he really a raging racist?

    I don’t watch televised news at all, (unless something super big happens) but this must be getting a ton of play. At the end of the day more of us will know this guy’s name than know who Cliven Bundy is. Because that is our media in a nutshell.

  55. 55
    ruemara says:

    @The Dangerman: You have a problem with a beautiful woman dating rich men? WTF? She’s not an escort, she’s not a hooker. Stop giving in to misogyny.

    @Birthmarker: Maybe you should read up more before you offer an apologetic.

  56. 56
    Violet says:

    @Birthmarker:

    Since he dates a biracial woman, is he really a raging racist?

    You can ask this with a straight face?

  57. 57
    Jordan Rules says:

    @Birthmarker: Read his history, read the informed comments.

  58. 58
    The Dangerman says:

    @ruemara:

    You have a problem with a beautiful woman dating rich men?

    Not in the least; I may have a problem, however, with a beautiful woman dating rich men for money (allegedly, at least; I’ll let the facts come out in the trial prior to saying beyond a reasonable doubt if she is or is not an escort).

    ETA: Read the allegations against her; somehow, property that was supposed to be in his name (the $1.5m condo, which, for West LA, isn’t a mansion) ended up in her name. Again, allegedly.

  59. 59
    Jordan Rules says:

    @The Dangerman: And them dating women just because they are beautiful too right?

  60. 60
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman:

    I may have a problem, however, with a beautiful woman dating rich men for money

    Why do you have a problem with that? What do you care if that’s how two people set up their relationship?

  61. 61
    The Dangerman says:

    @Jordan Rules:

    And them dating women just because they are beautiful too right?

    Have I not said Sterling’s a shit? I think I did. From the beginning.

    I just think she’s a shit, too.

    ETA: As known evidence, taping your boyfriend in an argument and submitting it at trial is one thing; taping your boyfriend in an argument and calling TMZ is a little less respectable.

  62. 62
    Jordan Rules says:

    @The Dangerman: I’m more interested in if, since you have some clear views on relationships, you find the men in these types equally disturbing. I’m not just talking about this racist fuck, he’s an easy target.

  63. 63
    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Dangerman:
    She is not the shit who said vile racist things about not wanting black people coming to his mostly black team’s games, or who invited women friends to ogle his black players in the shower. It might be shitty of her to be a gold-digger; but if that’s what she is, that’s between her and Sterling. It doesn’t make what she brought to the public’s notice about him any less true.

  64. 64
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: She can be a bad person too. There’s no reason she can’t. But you haven’t been commenting on that. You’ve called her a hooker and said you have a problem with beautiful women dating rich men for money.

  65. 65
    The Dangerman says:

    @Jordan Rules:

    I’m more interested in if, since you have some clear views on relationships, you find the men in these types equally disturbing.

    Are you asking if I find rich men that use their excess money to date eye candy disturbing? Of course. I’m not having Sterling babysit anyone any time soon, either.

  66. 66
    Jordan Rules says:

    @The Dangerman: Yup, that’s what I was asking. Thanks for the clarification.

  67. 67
    The Dangerman says:

    @Violet:

    But you haven’t been commenting on that.

    Bullshit. How many times have I called Sterling a shit in this thread? Started with the very first post.

    ETA: I find it odd that I can find her behavior “questionable” along with Sterlings behavior “questionable” yet I’m a mysoginist or something. Very, very odd….

  68. 68
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: You misread. I was not referring to what you called Sterling. I was referring to what you called his girlfriend.

  69. 69
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: You didn’t start by calling her behavior questionable. You called her a hooker. That’s what the issue is.

  70. 70
    The Dangerman says:

    @Violet:

    I was referring to what you called his girlfriend.

    I find her behavior “questionable”; that is all.

    Do I know for certain she’s an escort? Of course not. Do I have my suspicions? Of course. Same as my suspicions that Sterling might be losing it upstairs (dementia). Not saying he’s not a racist, the evidence over the decades is far too strong there.

  71. 71
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: I find her behavior questionable as well. That doesn’t make him any less a racist and that doesn’t mean she’s a prostitute.

  72. 72
    The Dangerman says:

    @Violet:

    …that doesn’t mean she’s a prostitute.

    I think Folks are badly misreading my “girlfriend/hooker” comment (which, probably, should be “girlfriend/escort”, but I’ve already corrected myself there). The “/” is an “OR” there, not an “AND”. I think that’s obvious when read in context but, perhaps, I wasn’t clear enough.

  73. 73
    aimai says:

    @The Dangerman: Well, sure, but neither is she the first of Sterling’s glamorous girlfriends. Why is she called out for it but he isn’t mocked mercilessly for having to pay for sex and companionship?

  74. 74
    Amir Khalid says:

    Is there a moral difference between David Sterling and V. Stiviano? Not in their private relationship, I’d say. They’re both in it by choice, whatever it is.

    But in the public scandal, Sterling is the one who said racist things about his team’s black fans, who objected to Stiviano being seen in public with people who are black like her. Sterling is the one who invited women to ogle his black players in the shower. And Sterling is the one whom the right wing is trying to depict as a Democrat on no real evidence. Does Stiviano, being Sterling’s gold-digging mistress, have a right to expose as him a racist? I can’t see how she doesn’t. Does her relationship with him cast any doubt on what she says? She has audio; make of that what you will.

  75. 75
    aimai says:

    @The Dangerman: Why isn’t it “respectable” to expose the man for the vile person he is? Its more respectable than hiding it. If you read up on this guy he’s been protected by a code of silence from his workers and staff for decades. He’s a truly horrendous person and he’s been saying shit like this about the people living in his buildings for years. We’d all have been better off if someone had taped him and exposed him before but no doubt people working for him were terrified.

  76. 76
    ruemara says:

    @The Dangerman: Because you’re calling her a hooker. You know, rich men buy their partners stuff. Male, female-it doesn’t matter. Just like you, when you want to show someone you care, buy them a gift. Unlike you, they can give a 1.5 million dollar apartment. She’s not the first girlfriend he’s done this to, and she’s also not the first girlfriend the family has gone after to get those gifts back. But you keep insisting that she’s a hooker and have brought that up to escort. That’s why I’ve called you a misogynist. Also, no one wants to babysit your kids. Except you. That’s why you pay.

  77. 77
    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Dangerman:
    As far as passing judgement on Ms Stiviano is concerned, I’m not sure I see any real difference between “girlfriend/hooker” and “girlfriend/escort”.

  78. 78
    ThresherK says:

    @bemused: You had me at “I’ve always loved Molly Ivins’ story”.

  79. 79
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: Nobody is misreading it. You called her a hooker. Now you want to call her an escort. Why are you putting that judgement on her? That’s the issue. As aimai said, why isn’t Sterling being mocked for having to pay for sex and companionship. Why aren’t you derisively calling that out in addition to pointing out his racism?

  80. 80

    A Democrat once gave money to another Democrat and said something racist, so That Makes Racist Fuckitude Acceptable to Everyone For Ever.

    Got it.

  81. 81
    bk says:

    @Joshua Norton:

    Donating to a weak DNC DINO governor who couldn’t even get his own party to go to bat for him during the recall vote and the mayor of a city where your team plays must be a sign of political affirmation

    TOM Bradley was the mayor of LA. BILL Bradley was the former basketball player turned Democratic Senator from New Jersey turned thinking about running for President in 2000.

  82. 82
    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:

    I would say that “mistress” is a little more accurate than “girlfriend” since Sterling is married, but how someone then goes from “mistress” to “hooker” is a little weird. It’s … not quite the same thing.

  83. 83
    ruemara says:

    @Mnemosyne: Pretty much. This lady is taking a lot of heat for being his mistress, too. Like if she had just shut up and cashed some checks, it would have been easier.

  84. 84
    scav says:

    @ruemara: She also apparently has to shut up and hand back all the money when asked to by wifey. Mistresses apparently do everything they’re told and don’t expect to keep gifts. Unlike those hussies.

  85. 85
    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:

    It just cracks me up that some guys are shocked — shocked! — that a woman in her 20s isn’t dating a guy in his 80s because she really, really loves him, and that maybe she’s dating him because he buys her stuff. Duh. Newsflash: Anna Nicole Smith was not deeply in love with her elderly multibillionaire husband, either. I don’t have a huge problem with such relationships because I’m pretty sure everyone in them knows what they’re getting into, but it’s funny how the proto-Victorians suddenly come out of the woodwork when it turns out that rich men have mistresses who are with them for the money!

  86. 86
    Mnemosyne says:

    @scav:

    That’s kind of a weird area in California law, though — if Sterling has been signing assets over to his mistress that legally belong to himself and his wife (community property), then he doesn’t have a legal right to give them away. As I understand it, Sterling is totally free to spend cash money to buy her stuff, but signing existing property over is more of a problem, legally.

    I’m also starting to wonder if there is a bit of dementia here and the family doesn’t want to admit it because, if they do, the NBA would take the team away from Sterling, or at least demand some kind of conservator or board of directors.

  87. 87
    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ah, got it. They (husband and wife) do seem have played this game before though. All the same, if he’s lost it and wifey et al are so very much worried about the money (see lawsuit), getting the team and other assets under better control would be in their interests. They could even let him continue to play hotshot owner afterwards with a very long leash if they felt like it.

  88. 88
    The Pile On says:

    She’s a escort. He is a scumbag of the highest order. If you want to defend a person of questionable character like her, fine, that doesn’t change the fact she is excepting ‘donations’ for services rendered, I won’t be defending him as he clearly liked his vile power in this relationship. And, he SHOULD be mocked and shamed, because he’s the same kind of a$$hole as Berlusconi. The whole affair is tawdry.

    When men do it this with women, they are just as much ‘escorts’ as as this woman. The men who parasitically took advantage of women like Liz Taylor and Doris Duke are abhorrent to honorable men. I actually think this woman is better than those guys because she was much less exploitative of him. Sterling clearly thinks he owns her, much like Liberace and his kept men.

    Call us misogynist for calling it as we see it, but you’re wrong. Of course, you’re mind is clearly made up that we hate women (that’s what a misogynist IS), so I’m sure anything I say will be disregarded.

  89. 89
    Cermet says:

    This proves the 0.01% needs higher taxes so they better respect other people – false equivalence is standard operating procedure for thugs so, this does follow.

  90. 90
    The Dangerman says:

    …why isn’t Sterling being mocked for having to pay for sex and companionship. Why aren’t you derisively calling that out in addition to pointing out his racism?

    Go back to my first post; did I not say that, from what I’ve heard/read about Sterling, this tape doesn’t make his Top 10? I think I did. He’s a shit for all sorts of reasons and, if my allegation about her being an escort is correct, than he’s a shit for purchasing her services. I think I’ve said that, too (see subthread with JordanRules, IIRC).

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m also starting to wonder if there is a bit of dementia here and the family doesn’t want to admit it …

    If the team/family (I understand the son-in-law is next in line to run the team) wants a way out of this mess, having him step down for health reasons would be one such way. I’ve listened to a little more of the tape and it’s strange enough that dementia would sell (even if not 100% accurate).

  91. 91
    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman:

    if my allegation about her being an escort is correct, than he’s a shit for purchasing her services. I think I’ve said that, too (see subthread with JordanRules, IIRC).

    In your first post you called her a hooker. When called on that by multiple people, you finally did acknowledge that he was in the wrong for “purchasing her services”, as you say. The commenters in this thread are pointing out that you are judging her for her actions and not applying the same judgment to him unless pushed. Yes, he’s a bad guy and this issue may not make the Top 10 of the crappy things he’s done. But the issue that people are discussing is how it’s easy to “blame” her by calling her an escort and leave his side of this situation (pathetic old guy can only get companionship and sex by paying for it) unremarked upon unless it’s pointed out.

    I think you’re wrong to call her a hooker, prostitute or escort. You don’t know. All we know is that she’s a woman that has some kind of relationship with him including accompanying him to games and other places and has for several years. Maybe she’s totally in love with him. Maybe she does it because he’s rich. Maybe they have tons of sex. Maybe none at all. You don’t know. I don’t know. So to label her pejoratively is wrong, imho.

  92. 92
    max says:

    @The Dangerman: Not in the least; I may have a problem, however, with a beautiful woman dating rich men for money (allegedly, at least; I’ll let the facts come out in the trial prior to saying beyond a reasonable doubt if she is or is not an escort).

    I wouldn’t be surprised. This are the various sugar daddy sites. Desperation and 77 cents an hour will encourage one to date somebody who looks and sounds like Sterling.

    But to be generous to you, we could assume she’s an ex-stripper, model, former pro cheerleader, escort, cam girl, porn star and current trophy girlfriend, and what the hell has that got to do with anything?

    He said what he said, or he didn’t. If he did, well, there it is. If you wanna say she cheated somehow with the recording, OK, but problems would be there about THAT (recording uh, ‘improperly’) if she was Mormon who could actually put a stick of butter in her mouth and not have it melt. Her sexual history isn’t relevant; it doesn’t change her moral status or make her a lesser person. (Unless your Judge Joe Fish and think killing prostitutes is lesser offense – many serial killers would agree!)

    Sterling appears to be a first class horrible person, based on his previous history, and if he was busy being horrible to this lady, and got taped doing, that’s too bad.

    max
    [‘Geez.’]

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    another Holocene human says:

    @Amir Khalid: Pearls before swine, my friend.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @gene108:

    The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that if a Democrat came out as a racist other Democrats would denounce him without a second thought.

    On the other hand, Republicans sometimes have to dance around their associations with the person because they cannot come right out and denounce the person without alienating their constituencies.

    This.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Violet:

    But the issue that people are discussing is how it’s easy to “blame” her by calling her an escort and leave his side of this situation … unremarked upon unless it’s pointed out.

    Pardon me for thinking calling a man a “shit”, an “asshole’s asshole”, and a “HOF Dick” wasn’t sufficient. I really needed to be more specific about his interactions with this 20 year old (per the local news) woman, too? I would have thought that being a “shit”, an “asshole’s asshole”, and a “HOF Dick” might be inclusive of many horrible things without having to list them individually. OK, fine, he’s a “shit”, an “asshole’s asshole”, a “HOF Dick”, and a “potential escort enabler”. Happy now?

    I used to play pickup with some Clippers (a couple Lakers, too, but mostly Clippers); a fine way to be humbled (if you think you are good, play some Pro Ballers, easily some of the best athletes around). Some great guys at a shit organization (at least at the time). I feel for the current players; they are caught in the middle of a known shit and a suspicious shit (I can be suspicious of her without being a misogynist, right?).

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Dangerman:
    I think the point people are trying to make to you is that what kind of relationship Ms Stiviano has with David Sterling, why she revealed what she did about him, and what kind of person she is, none of these is the issue here. The issue is what kind of person Sterling is. Sterling owns the NBA team, not she; it’s his conduct at issue here, not hers.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    …who invited women friends to ogle his black players in the shower.

    That may just be the most distasteful thing about this whole incident. It’s as though he owns the black players, they are his. Really disgusting.

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    SFAW says:

    @WaterGirl:

    It’s as though he owns the black players, they are his.

    Assuming that the transcription of some of the statements (of his) that I’ve read is accurate, that seems pretty close to how he feels. (They buy cars and houses with money he gives them, and so forth. I guess he could have said they buy T-bones, watermelon, purple drank, and Cadillacs, so there’s that. Although, as burns, Omnes, and the other resident lawyers might say re: saying that he DIDN’T say that T-bones etc. shit: assumes facts not in evidence.)

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think the point people are trying to make to you is that what kind of relationship Ms Stiviano has with David Sterling, why she revealed what she did about him, and what kind of person she is, none of these is the issue here.

    Of course it is; she’s not a public figure until she releases a tape to the public … then she’s a public figure and fair game (this also applied to Linda Tripp if you recall her from long ago).

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    max says:

    @The Dangerman: Of course it is; she’s not a public figure until she releases a tape to the public … then she’s a public figure and fair game

    For comment yes. The question is, why are you ‘suspicious’ of her and how does that apply to the content of the tape? Are you saying she faked the tape? Or that she released it out of spite? In the latter case, it doesn’t get you away from the fact that he says crap like that.

    James O’Keefe edits tapes to make things look worse than they actually are, which is fraudy. If he recorded a tape of a Democratic congressman saying something like Sterling said and it wasn’t selectively edited, that would be bad for the Congressman (because he actually said that) – but there would good reasons for suspicion about the editing of the tape since O’Keefe was involved and he has a previous bad history.

    I didn’t see anything like that involved here. If she released it out of spite, well, given the racist shit the man was saying to her face, I’d say she had just cause to be spiteful.

    max
    [‘Now if you’re saying she tolerated this racist stuff previously, and did not act on it until they split up… so what? It doesn’t alter anything about Sterling.’]

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    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman: Perhaps I’m not making myself clear. Your initial assessment of him was that he was an “asshole’s asshole”, has a wing down at the HOF of Dicks, etc. Those are assessments based on his general behavior, as far as I can tell. You called her a hooker. Your assessment of her is of a sexual nature–selling sex for money is what hookers do.

    It’s a sexist way of looking at her. That’s what people have been calling you on.

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    TerryC says:

    “I think the point people are trying to make to you is that what kind of relationship Ms Stiviano has with David Sterling, why she revealed what she did about him, and what kind of person she is, none of these is the issue here. The issue is what kind of person Sterling is. Sterling owns the NBA team, not she; it’s his conduct at issue here, not hers.”

    However, her behavior enables his.

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    TerryC says:

    “I think the point people are trying to make to you is that what kind of relationship Ms Stiviano has with David Sterling, why she revealed what she did about him, and what kind of person she is, none of these is the issue here. The issue is what kind of person Sterling is. Sterling owns the NBA team, not she; it’s his conduct at issue here, not hers.”

    However, her behavior enables his.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Violet:

    It’s a sexist way of looking at her.

    I’m sorry, but if you are a hot looking 20 year dating an 80 year old billionaire, you are fair game to be looked at in a sexist way. Oh, excuse me, that’s right, I’m surrrrrrrrrrrrrre she really loves him; that’s why she taped him and gave it to the tabloids. You betcha…

    Good fucking grief.

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    Older says:

    @TerryC: You mean, her behavior encouraged him to be a racist asshole?

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    max says:

    @The Dangerman: I’m sorry, but if you are a hot looking 20 year dating an 80 year old billionaire, you are fair game to be looked at in a sexist way. Oh, excuse me, that’s right, I’m surrrrrrrrrrrrrre she really loves him; that’s why she taped him and gave it to the tabloids. You betcha…

    Ah. Finally. Shorter Dangerman: ‘She’s a whore so it don’t count.’

    max
    [‘Thanks for clearing that up.’]

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    lol says:

    @The Dangerman:

    You sound like a real Nice Guy.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @max:

    Ah. Finally. Shorter Dangerman: ‘She’s a whore so it don’t count.’

    Where did I say “she didn’t count”? All I’m saying is if a 20 year old wants to “date” a married octagenarian, take his money (per lawsuit), describe herself as the mistress/girlfriend (or maybe that was her lawyer that has described her as such; I forget) and then people say that any description of her of a sexual nature is sexist on my part, I mean, you have got to be fucking kidding.

    @lol:

    You sound like a real Nice Guy.

    I’m a great guy, thanks for asking; I just get upset with weird accusations (“sexist”,”she’s a whore so she doesn’t count”).

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    Violet says:

    @The Dangerman:

    if you are a hot looking 20 year dating an 80 year old billionaire, you are fair game to be looked at in a sexist way.

    Why? What about that means she’s “fair game” to be looked at in a sexist way?

    I suppose if a girl wears a short skirt and gets sexually harassed it’s her fault for dressing like a slut too, huh?

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