The More Things Change…

Twitter has a feature for their eight year anniversary which digs up your first tweet. Here’s mine:

Some things just don’t change.

185 replies
  1. 1
    Elizabelle says:

    I love that Tunch is your avatar.

    I hope he still is.

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    JPL says:

    It will never last, also, too.

  3. 3
    shelly says:

    It’s funny, I always think of him as pure white, but in photos it’s surprising how much other coloring he has.

  4. 4
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    You were right then, and what you said is still true.

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    Fuzzy says:

    Balloon Juice is about as close as I have come to any social media. I guess it is a matter of stubborn pride in this crunchy old fart who’s kids cannot believe I read this site. Thanks folks

  6. 6
    Elizabelle says:


    Great to have you here, but I was surprised that, as a group, we skew as old as we do.

    The meetup photos do not lie.

    I always took you guys for younger than me, and JCole is still in his early 40s, right?

  7. 7
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I (and some of my ancient, dinosaur hunting geek friends) never could get into Twitter. But Newt Gingrich embraced it.

    Which tells you something right there.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Dana Milbank is not just the dickwhisperer, he’s a dickweed as well.

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    JPL says:

    Tunch looks slimmer but maybe he was bathed and furminatored before hand. John always said he wasn’t that big. Gosh, I miss him.

  10. 10
    John Weiss says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: You forgot ‘dickhead’.
    All spongy tissue.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    I think my first comment here was “This blog sucks.”

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    Hal says:

    There are days when I find social media the equivalent of website comments sections. Misinformation, false outrage, and in some cases, lots of racism, homophobia and other assorted bs. On Facebook I can enjoy one old classmate railing against having to push 2 for English (This is America!!!) or a handful of otherwise nice people who seem to be really hung up on drug testing people on welfare, because dammit, they work for a living.

    Still not a bad way to stay in contact with people you actually like.

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    raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: My first comments were about March Madness. That was another time and another place.

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    Violet says:

    I like Twitter a lot better than Facebook.

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    MikeJ says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I started to look yours up, but you had a name change. My first was:

    It is ironic that the theme of the GOP convention was announced today to be “Putting Country First”. K-Lo ends the post with, “There is a universal dynamic at work, whenever a fetishization of the collective is allowed to gather steam. “

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    Now that both Ezra Klein and Nate Silver have their online empires why don’t you? You can call it Tunch. Tagline: Bow before the paw. I can be your kitteh correspondent.

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    MikeJ says:

    @schrodinger’s catt: Don’t you remember that Cole was part of the Pajamas Media empire that was going to crush us godless liebruls?

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    @JPL: Tunch was present at the very beginning, where do you think the gravity waves came from? I is in your Big Bang, messing with your space-time.

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    @MikeJ: I was unfamiliar with Balloon Juice during John Cole’s Wingnut phase.

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    gogol's wife says:


    I consider myself far left of center, but I have to admit I am annoyed by having to push 2 for English. Shouldn’t the default be English, and you have to push a number for any other language?

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    Hal says:

    @gogol’s wife: I think it is one for English. Too late for an edit. Damn, now I can’t remember. I think my old classmates problems is that the USA acknowledges the existence of any other language other than English.

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    Baud says:

    I’m more curious about what my last tweet on Twitter will be.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MikeJ: How do you find a person’s first post on BJ?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    I only have three tweets to choose from. I didn’t want to confront the truth that most of my deep thoughts require only 86 characters.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Now that I think of it, a lot of your comments here are short enough for twitter…

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    WaterGirl says:

    Remember when we all had avatars for a day?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Baud: “starting tomorrow, I’ll behave.”

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    raven says:

    @WaterGirl: That was a stone cluster fuck!

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    Violet says:

    I used the link in John’s post and checked the first tweet for CNN:

    CNN ✔ @CNN

    Reality TV star Anna Nicole Smith dies at 39
    6:43 PM – 8 Feb 2007

    Doesn’t that just sum up everything about CNN?

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    MikeJ says:

    @WaterGirl: Go to google and search for and in quotes their user name. After your first search it will give you the option of searching by date. I used a custom range starting from 1/1/2000 and the end date of today. set it to sort by date instead of relevance. If there are more than 10 pages of results, change the end date to one year earlier. Note that for some people (like yourself) you could guess at the approx time you started and skip over several iterations. For instance, I started searching for mine in 2009, then went to 2008.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @raven: It makes me laugh to think of it! (I always think of clusterfuck as one word.)

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    Violet says:

    And Fox News:

    Fox News ✔ @FoxNews

    NATIONAL: Confederate Flag Hanging From Noose Stays on Display
    11:16 PM – 17 Mar 2007


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    Violet says:

    @WaterGirl: Uh, what a mess! And so many unhappy B-J commenters!

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    geg6 says:

    As I wave my fist impotently at the clouds, I have never tweeted and have never even followed anyone a single time on Twitter. Doesn’t interest me, with their 140 character limit and what little I’ve seen of it posted elsewhere is impossible to follow. I’m happy to have the blogosphere and Book of Faces report any tweeting that might be of interest and that’s easier for me to follow.

    I am officially old. And I don’t care.

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    gogol's wife says:


    I was a flying purple people-eater.

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    raven says:

    @WaterGirl: I take no credit for spelling or punctuation when I’m watching March Madness.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Sometimes it’s 1, sometimes it’s 2.

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    RSA says:

    My first tweet, 18 Aug 2009:

    Liberal malcontent who moves to Europe: Traitor. Conservative malcontent who brings a gun to a Presidential speech: Patriot. Got it.

    With only 55 tweets, I just had to scroll a bit to the bottom of the page.

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    @geg6: Did you buy the shoes yet?

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    gogol's wife says:

    NewsMax: “Ellen De Generes Turns Show into Obama Mouthpiece.” I’ll have to start watching her.

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    Pogonip says:

    Both The Daily Puppy and Good Morning Kitten are exceptionally cute today. That is all.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MikeJ: I entered this in the search field — “watergirl” but I didn’t see any option to search by date. What am I missing?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @geg6: I saw that you found a dress on-line, but I never saw what you chose. Would love to see it, if you have a link.

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    My first tweet, May 19, 2013:

    Is this thing on?

    Well, it’s better than my first text:

    What hath God wrought?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Violet: I was quite unhappy about the whole thing, and now it’s just a memory that makes me laugh. There could be a lesson in that. Somewhere.

    @RSA: Excellent debut.

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    Trentrunner says:

    Ezra’s new Vox employee thinks slutty sluts should pay for their own sluttish slutting pills:

    Centrism FTW!

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    Old Dan and Little Ann says:

    @MikeJ: Thanks for helping me waste 5 minutes of my life. 1/12/10 for me. This title of this post is apropos b/c that thread had several pictures of Putin shirtless at the top. Oi! That shit won’t die!

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    Shana says:

    @shelly: I was at the vet today picking up some medicine for our dog and looking through Cat Fancy while I was waiting and they had a profile of a cat breed called Turkish Van. I looked at the pictures of white cats with orange tails and orange spots on their heads and said “Oh my god, it’s Tunch!” I got a very odd look from the vet tech. Seriously, John, do a google search and tell me that breed doesn’t look exactly like Tunch.

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    Cacti says:

    Never did the Twitter.

    Never saw much use for it on a personal level.

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    Violet says:

    @Shana: I just googled it and OMG you’re right! There are a bunch of pictures of Turkish Van’s swimming. Was Tunch known for his swimming skills?

  52. 52
    Elizabelle says:


    Turkish Van? Yes, very much like Tunch.

    How did Tunch come to live in Chez Cole? Was he another “jump in the car” animal?

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    RSA says:

    @WaterGirl: Thanks! Weak follow-through, though. :-)

  54. 54

    @Shana: Have you seen Shiro Neko, the Japanese Tunch?

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    JPL says:

    @Shana: I found this on petfinders
    Some Vans have a color patch between the shoulder blades called the ‘Mark of Allah’. Just as the M on the tabby’s forehead is said to be a gift from the Virgin Mary, this ‘thumbprint of God’ is considered good luck in Moslem countries.

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    JPL says:

    @Violet: I know exactly where I was when I found out she died. Before hand, I wouldn’t have known who she was but I had just seen Pan’s Labyrinth and when I returned home this person was all over the news. (breaking news cnn) It seemed sorta shallow.

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    David Koch says:

    Bill Nye’s first tweet

    Tom Hanks’s first twitter

    Why did it take Twitter 2 to 3 years to catch on, when Youtube took off immediately?

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    gnomedad says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    Palin Blasts Obama on Internet Surrender

    “Which blogs do you read?”
    “All of them.”

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    lamh36 says:

    Rand Paul Lectures Us Again

    …His message of course being “You people are stupid to not vote for me even though I’m clearly trying to manipulate you and split the left, leaving Republicans in charge of everything so we can abolish nearly all of the social and civil rights advances made in the last 80 years.”

    And we’re not buying it, especially whenever President Obama does acknowledge race in America, he’s immediately portrayed by Republicans as divisive. Race doesn’t matter unless it’s a situation where Rand Paul thinks it should matter?

    Take your privilege and shove it, man…

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    JPL says:

    @David Koch: Wow.. Cole was a deep thinker compared to those two. He must be proud.

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    Roger Moore says:


    I’m more curious about what my last tweet on Twitter will be.

    “Ask for me tomorrow and you will find me a grave man.” Always steal from the best.

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    the Conster says:

    Started posting here in late 2008, and eventually only joined twitter to follow johngcole because he was epic after dark. I joined twitter after someone posted on the blog that he was tweeting about doing pedialite shots. Twitter was actually invented for Atrios and John Cole, but I’ve only tweeted twice. It’s too tempting to say something mean and I’m trying to work on that.

    ETA: All evidence notwithstanding.

  63. 63
    Comrade Mary says:

    That kitty has a dirty, dirty mouth.

    /sigh — Tunch was the best!

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    Roger Moore says:

    The similarity of Tunch to a Turkish Van has been much commented on in the past. It makes sense, since Tunch Ilkin (his namesake) is a Turkish-American. I don’t remember any comments about Tunch having an affinity for water, another well known trait of the Turkish Van, so he may just have a Van pattern.

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    raven says:

    @Roger Moore: Or a Van Patten!

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    muddy says:

    I can’t remember when I first visited here. I first found a link on the page on Salon where someone had links to a lot of blogs, left and right on the page. Peter Daou? Probably I didn’t comment for a loong time. I used to read it as a Republican site that I could stomach. I like to get the gist of what they are on about, but I have a limit.

    But sometimes John would say such things that I would remove the bookmark and the browsing data (so there!). But then there’d be something later where I wanted to hear what he said about it and I’d get lured back in. Until the next time I cursed him roundly. I guess I was getting so mad because I was sure he was better than that, and just needed to come to his senses. I haven’t deleted the bookmark in ages!

    Could use more Tunch pics though. Launch a retrospective. I liked the ones on that woven blankie.

  67. 67
    raven says:

    @muddy: I think Jeffw told me about it after I got banned from FDL. I was in some goddamn motel in middle Georgia that didn’t get the b-ball tourney and I wandered in.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @schrodinger’s catt: I noticed him when he posted The Rant, late 2006 or early 2007. I don’t remember where I found the link but The Rant was profane and hilarious, and I understood the anger because I had already gone through a similar change politically.

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    Alison says:

    LOL apropos of the post title, Rachel led off her show with a trip down the “Bill Kristol is always wrong” memory lane.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @geg6: I have never tweeted but I did follow John Cleese for a day or two in 2008.

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    MikeJ says:

    @WaterGirl: sorry, I skipped the “search tools”link step.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Trentrunner: A Senior Editor, no less!

    Oh, god, I just recognized him. I’ve actually had Twitter fights with him before. It’s amazing that the WaPo managed to get a tech reporter named Timothy B. Lee in the first place, and even more amazing that he’s wrong about everything.

    ETA: OK, maybe the second part isn’t super amazing.

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    Elizabelle says:


    How bizarre!

    I learned of Anna Nicole’s death while walking down a street with a friend on our way to a late afternoon showing of Pan’s Labyrinth, in downtown DC, and looked through a window at a TV and saw the Breaking News re ANS.

    We had the same day? Are you Skip?

  74. 74
    muddy says:

    @raven: Banned! Good for you! What did you say that was disallowed?

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    J.Ty says:

    @Trentrunner: Also, @binarybits is a stupid fucking twitter handle since bits by definition are binary. God.

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    Culture of Truth says:

    [ Peter Graves voice ]

    “Say Jimmy, have you ever been in Turkish Van?”

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @WaterGirl: I’m not him but…

    Click on the “Search Tools” link, then click on the “Any Time” dropdown box, then click on “Custom Date Range”.

    I found this.



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    raven says:

    @muddy: The death knell was when Jane hooked up with Grover. I relentlessly attacked until they did the deed. I loved the Norske Flamethower and the now deceased Southern Dragon and Christy was great but I couldn’t hack the bullshit anymore.

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    Steeplejack says:


    After your first search, at the top of the results you will see a “bar” with “Web | Images | Maps,” etc. At the far right is “Search Tools.” Click that and then select “Any time | Custom range.”

    The point is that the “Search Tools” gizmo doesn’t appear until after you run your first search.

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    Baud says:

    My first comment here was a lame teabagger joke. Nice.

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    Baud says:


    You fought the good fight, Raven.

  82. 82
    raven says:

    @Baud: It hadn’t dawned on me but I stopped even checking in there so long ago that CTuttle is the only one I even recognize.

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    muddy says:

    @raven: Christy was the one I liked. I left way before the Grover thing. Can’t remember if I ever commented. Possibly in its original iteration?

    Just found this early comment from me in this thread at BJ, no wonder I used to get so mad at John!

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    Baud says:


    As I’ve mentioned before, I used to hang out at GOS. Some wonderful commenter there mentioned how BJ was a much better place than GOS had become, which is how I found this site. Rarely go back there now.

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    Shana says:

    @JPL: Fascinating. The tabby in our very jewish household laughs.

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    raven says:

    @Baud: I think what really makes a difference is that Cole does very little police work here. FDL started banning shit they didn’t like. From what I see here you have to really be out of line to get time outed.

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    David Koch says:


    Ezra’s new Vox employee thinks slutty sluts should pay for their own sluttish slutting pills:

    Dude-Bros are something else.

    TBogg had the nerve to criticize the Dude-Bros today for not caring about women’s rights, and Griftwald unleashed his flying monkeys to deface his blog.

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    Baud says:


    I really like Benan, but I rely a lot on RSS for keeping up with blogs. On Maddow Blog, he no longer has full text articles on RSS, so I don’t read him as often as I would like.

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    Shana says:

    @Roger Moore: Those comments must have been before I discovered this fabulous place. My days are better for it.

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    JPL says:

    @Elizabelle: It is odd how our brains work but I’m not Skip.

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    Baud says:

    @David Koch:

    Why does Greenwald care? I didn’t think women’s rights were his schtick.

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    Baud says:


    In general, I tend to think that little police work invites a blog community to drift and degenerate. Not sure why that’s not the case here.

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    raven says:

    @Baud: It’s the marketplace of ideas.


    I also think there is a pretty strong sense of community here. There hasn’t been a pet bleg in a while but, when there is, folks step up. Idiots like what’s it’s face keep trying to ruin the place but we manage to hang together. And then there is McClaren.

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    Baud says:


    The invisible hand! How could I forget?

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    geg6 says:

    @schrodinger’s catt:

    Oh my, no. That’s a decision I savor, unlike the dress. I love, love, love shoo shopping. I’ll probably buy four or five pairs and decide on which to wear at the last minute.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: There are lots of degenerates here.

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    @efgoldman: Same here, came here in late 2008, early 2009 from the Dish.

    ETA: Came for politics and stayed for Tunch. I think it was the furminator post that did the trick.

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    But we love you anyway.

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    I have no idea where that extra t in my nym came from.

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    @efgoldman: Same here, came here in late 2008, early 2009 from the Dish.

    ETA: Came for politics and stayed for Tunch. I think it was the furminator post that did the trick.

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    geg6 says:


    The Ann Taylor you pointed me to, I think. I liked another more, but John made the final decision. I liked both. One was a bit more out there (a print that mimicked a Monet or Renoir) but both were fine. John’s more conservative than I am. It’s only $120 on sale.

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    NotMax says:

    Admit to never quite understanding what use or purpose Twitter serves, other than providing a platform for

    1) achieving an astoundingly high gibberish to comprehensible English ratio within a small space


    2) more quickly bypassing the “put brain in gear” part of the old adage.

    Would compare tweets to fortune cookies, except an awful lot of people for reasons which escape me seem to undeservedly assign the former the kind of seriousness or depth which common sense denies the latter.

    (If you young’uns gonna insist on being on my lawn, could you at least pick a few weeds?)

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    muddy says:

    @schrodinger’s catt: The other day Tommy only had one M for a while.

    Ghost of Tunch. He wants more photo coverage. Steve, Steve, Steve!

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    Baud says:


    Highly relevant video. Thanks.

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    @NotMax: You have weeds, we still have snow. It will probably be a slushy, muddy mess by tomorrow.

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    muddy says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I just found myself in 2006 having nothing nice to say in here. Good for me.

    John used to actually participate back then. Imagine it!

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    raven says:

    @Baud: OK 99.

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    raven says:

    @muddy: Careful what you wish for.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodinger’s catt:

    Stepped into a parallel universe? Do you happen to have a goatee right now?

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    Baud says:


    I used to love that show.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    As long as we are on the types of things get posted on twitter, I hit a giant-assed pot hole the other day and now have a bulging sidewall on my front right tire. I needed new tires anyways, so I am getting them tomorrow.

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    @Baud: Does your gender change in a parallel universe or do you just become an evil version of yourself?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Which universe?

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    muddy says:

    @raven: He’s probably busy twittering instead.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: There are potholes the size of my car, on the roads here.

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    🍀 Martin says:

    Damn. I’m coming up on my 10 year anniversary here. My first post was to call Cole and most of the people here idiots for checking the kerning on an obviously faked photo.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    If your gender changed and you had sex with yourself, wouldn’t both of you be evil?

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    🍀 Martin says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    There are potholes the size of my car, on the roads here.

    Well, that’s damn convenient. Once your car falls into one, the road will be smooth for everyone else.

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    raven says:

    @muddy: I’d rather drink muddy water, sleep out in a holla log!

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    Baud says:

    @🍀 Martin:

    So Balloon Juice was like a proto-birther site back then? Interesting.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: This one was deep and in the middle of a larger shallow looking puddle, so I didn’t see it. I am glad I didn’t damage the wheel. This just manages to be the kick in the pants I needed to get the car in for the tires anyway.

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    @🍀 Martin: But I will be dead, have you no care about that?

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    🍀 Martin says:

    @NotMax: Twitters not a half bad private messaging platform. Mostly I use it for news and notices. It’s very immediate and easy to set alarms to. I hardly post public things.

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    🍀 Martin says:

    @Baud: Well, Cole was still a wingnut, and his knee-jerk reaction was to go along with whatever bonkers grandpa email showed up in his inbox, so yeah, I’d wager he’d at least have been birther-curious. He didn’t always though, you could tell his brain would sometimes accidentally slip into gear. I didn’t really post much until he entered his teenage independent stage, though.

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    🍀 Martin says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Well, yeah, I’ll be sad about that. But in this world of rugged individualism, I cannot help but fault you for buying a car the exact shape of the potholes. That strikes me as a foolish thing to do.

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    NotMax says:

    @🍀 Martin

    Will cop to being of the hermit persuasion.

    Doubt I say 140 words out loud during an average week.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: But type. . .

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    muddy says:

    @raven: I haven’t ever twittered or made an account, have seen a few at their google addy briefly. I always think how great it is when you get something like Jenny McCarthy asking people to gave her a hard time, and then they do for a week. Or how it will be very useful for the voting season. Seems like a great tool for social justice.

    But I just can’t stand to do it myself. I guess I am old.

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    raven says:

    @muddy: I have an account because I wanted to follow Cole and ABL at the convention but I never use it.

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    Baud says:


    I don’t do any original tweets. I sometimes respond to someone else’s tweet. Mostly I use it to see what’s going on in the news, etc.

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    raven says:

    North Dakota State-OK is a barn burner!

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    NotMax says:


    You – you mean you’re real folks and not algorithms?

    Gasp. People!

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    raven says:

    (CNN) — Hours after Turkey’s prime minister vowed to “eradicate” Twitter, Turkish Internet users began to experience widespread disruptions Thursday while trying to access the popular social networking website.
    Outrage and fury erupted online. Within an hour the hashtags “#TwitterisblockedinTurkey,” “#DictatorErdogan” and “TurkeyBlockedTwitter” surged to the service’s top worldwide trends.

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    Baud says:


    Looking like the upset of the day.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: Bigger than Harvard?

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    I used that feature to delete my first tweet. Which then made my second tweet my first Tweet. Which I also deleted. And on .. and on …

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh, I missed that. Second biggest upset of the day.

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    This also happened:

    Former Newsweek reporter Jonathan Alter publicly admitted he was completely wrong about the Iraq War:

    Newsweek asked Alter, who spent nearly 30 years working for this magazine before moving to Bloomberg, if there’s anything he’d change about the column with 11 years of hindsight. He was unequivocal. “I strongly regret writing that the war was ‘inevitable and necessary,’ ” he said. “I was totally wrong about that, as were scores of other liberal pundits, not to mention conservative ones, and almost every major politician except Barack Obama, who was a state senator at the time. It was a product of essentially believing Colin Powell that there were weapons of mass destruction.” As for that master narrative? Now it’s apparent, he says: “It was a complete fiasco.”

    “It was one of the greatest disasters in American history,” he added.

    Let’s hope this is a trend.

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    raven says:

    @Baud: Not bigger, the same. 12-5 games are the most common upsets and have been for years.

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    Baud says:


    Yeah, but…Harvard.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Southern Beale:

    It was a product of essentially believing Colin Powell that there were weapons of mass destruction.”

    Why? Powell was not believable – except to those who were looking for an excuse to believe.

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    raven says:

    Harvard is a very good basketball team as is NDSU.

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    raven says:

    Cincy was a bit higher rated than OK so technically it is a bigger upset but the boys at the calcutta last night spent decent money on both.

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    Baud says:


    Apparently so!

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I learned to trust my judgment because I didn’t buy into the Iraq War.

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    raven says:

    @Baud: Harvard went for 70, NDSU for 80. I got American for 45 and stand to win 5% of a big pool for the biggest blowout.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: I was skeptical (Ha!) about the war and I never bought into the deification of Powell. I always thought he would do what he was told.

    And he did.

    @raven: On Wisconsin.

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    Baud says:


    Best of luck! I’m calling it a night.

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    raven says:

    Oh yea, NC State got beat by St Louis, another 12-5. Like I said.

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    danielx says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    It surely does. I guess my initial reactions to people who send out lots of tweets was something like this: 1) don’t you have anything else to do? And 2) what makes you think people give that much of a shit about you and your opinions that you need to inform them of same several times a day?

    Then I realized what a perfect mode of communication Twitter is for the Village, and everything fell into place with such loud clicks it’s a wonder it didn’t wake the cats.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: If they win my $500 I’m all for them. I’m driving up to Clemson for an11am Sunday morning game for my Illini!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: The Dayton win amuses me.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hell yes! I can’t stand that weasel Craft!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    “The Internet? Is that thing still around?” — Homer Simpson

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Southern Beale: I’m sure that’s a comfort to the 4,000+ soldiers who are no longer with us. I was a goddamn junior in high school and knew that Colin Powell was a lying sack of shit when he was bullshitting his way through testimony at the UN.

    And the MSM let him off the hook. Being associated with something like that should have sunk his career, and yet he managed to blame it on other people who gave him bad intelligence. Fuck that; if he had any spine, he would’ve refused to give testimony on what was really fucking thin shit. I mean, come on!! Yellowcake from fucking Nigeria?

    Just another reason to question the judgment of our impending presidential nominee in a couple years, but that’s another discussion for another time.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @danielx: I have found Twitter very good for breaking news from areas where there may not be a lot of other coverage, or where Internet is spotty. For instance, I’ve been following about two dozen foreign correspondents in Ukraine for the last couple of months, and it is very useful for very short-form reportage. They’ll generally follow up with long-form pieces, but a day or two later.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yeah, it can be very good for breaking news. First reports. lived tweets by a good reporter about an unfolding event can be priceless. Random comments from Charles Lane, not so much.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: The Internet was given away last week. It’s Obama’s Panama Canal moment! He’ll be a one term president for sure now.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Suffern ACE: The frightening thing is, there is a teabagger out there somewhere who would actually take comfort in your comment.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Suffern ACE: I have it on good authority that it is still safely atop Big Ben,.

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    J.Ty says:

    ETA: Never mind, wrong time/place you’re right

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    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: Thanks for linking that. Good for him for apologizing so forthrightly and not going with the “mistakes were made” crap. But WTF blaming it on Colin Powell? That’s an excuse. They wanted war because it meant good stories. They knew if they opposed it their careers would tank. They didn’t want to be left out of the embeds or sent to the back of the briefing room (watch “Control Room” for more on that). It was a combination of blood lust, “fall in line” mentality and career opportunism. Colin Powell is nothing more than an excuse for their weakness.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @J.Ty: I don’t blame Obama for picking himself for surrounding himself with Clintonites – as you suggest, there really was a very thin bench of Democratic officials to choose from, given our poor form at the ballot box – but there were certain people who should have never been allowed near the White House again (first name that comes to mind is easily Larry Summers). As one of the architects of the Clinton-era financial deregulation in the late 1990s, he was clearly the wrong guy to have the president’s ear on economic matters. Given the mandate he had, he really should’ve included one of the academics who was on the ball (e.g. a Krugman or Stieglitz, although whether they would have been interested – who knows) to work with Roemer and Geithner in righting the ship. That said, in hindsight, it’s probably a good thing that we did not nationalize the big banks, as (IIRC) Krugman was advising.

    The main problem is that (assuming Hillary Clinton wins in 2016), you’re going to have an entire generation of presidential advisers who cut their teeth working in Democratic administrations starting with Bill Clinton. I can’t see Hillary going out on a limb and naming a more progressive cabinet than Obama has, especially in the national security spots (and Obama has been no real progressive himself in that arena). We’ll see, but I’m not terribly optimistic.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    So while I understand the Hillary reluctance, I don’t really see where else to turn.

    Those who, like Obama. weren’t prominent in 2003. Maybe that whole generation’s time has passed. There are a bunch of Democrats in their 40s and early 50s who deserve a look.

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    I learned to trust my judgment because I didn’t buy into the Iraq War.

    I’ve learned to control the deep-seated, fundamental rage that breaks anew when I think back to the first moment I heard the name “Iraq” in a news story after 9/11, and how I could. not. fucking. believe. what was happening.

    I almost drowned once. This was far, far worse.

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    resisted the twitters until i stayed up all night following the chase of the Boston marathon bombers. lots of bad info and speculation to sift through but it was an hour or more ahead of news sites. i follow a lot of comedians and “weird twitter” people for the lulz.

    as said above, it’s a great semi private messaging system.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @BruceFromOhio: Goddamned right. It is weird how close to the surface it is and how easily it can come back.

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    🍀 Martin says:

    @ranchandsyrup: Direct messages are a good actual private messaging system. Not enough people use them. Instead of “@johngcole” do “d johngcole” and only he would be able to see it. A reply to that give you another direct message.

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    @ranchandsyrup: The only useful twit feed in existence is 50 Sheds of Grey.

    So I’m eating two corndogs at the state fair and this guy shoves a bass at me and storms off and long story short I’m in Styx now.

    OK, maybe Fireland, too.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Schweitzer and Hickenlooper come to mind immediately, but the former has skeletons in the ‘ol closet and the latter doesn’t seem interested. Ditto for Cuomo. Warren’s not really the type to run I don’t think…

    Meanwhile in the other category, Brown is too old, Biden is too old…

    I know we’re two years out but I’m not seeing any Dems making noises.

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    @🍀 Martin: well I’ll be dipped. did not know that thx, Martin.
    @BruceFromOhio: 50 sheds is funny. My wife howled. Will check out fireland

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J.Ty: Gillibrand. O’Malley. The Castro brothers have promise, but are they ready for 2016 or is 2020/24 better? Was Obama seen as a real contender in 2006? No, he was not. There are people; one simply has to look.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Forgot about the Castros–the elder might have a shot. Haven’t been following O’Malley either, but good point. I… just don’t like legislators, I guess, re: Gillibrand. Can’t see much wrong with her though.

    I was wrapping up college in 2006, but Obama was definitely seen as a real contender on campus then. (I know, that’s not an ideal sample, but ’twas the grassroots what made him happen, kinda.)

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Are you talking about Sherrod Bown? He’ll only be 64 in 2016.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J.Ty: Well, I was coming up on my 20th college reunion that year. Hillary might be the best candidate, but, it is 2014, don’t buy into any inevitability arguments. I would discourage support for a candidate who is over 60 – as a general rule. The job ages people. Badly.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J.Ty: Jerry Brown will never be President. Simple fact.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well, yeah. He’s doing a pretty impressive job as Governor this time around though.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Agreed on both counts. Hell, look at Carter after four years. Or Obama after six. And yeah, it’s definitely 16 months before the primaries start to rear their ugly heads, at least for the Dems. We shall see.

    Hillary > GOP, as others have pointed out. Other Dems > Hillary, sure. I don’t think I’ve ever argued for anything other than “most progressive candidate capable of winning.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J.Ty: How old is he? How many people nationally see him as Governor Rainbow or this guy.. Everyone has an uncool niece.

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    J.Ty says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: He’s 75, he’s done and even he knows it. He’s basically Governor Honey Badger at this point.

    One of my favorite moments in electoral ad history was when Whitman ran an ad in 2010 saying “When I first came to California, anything was possible. Why…” and so forth. And then Jerry Brown’s campaign took that clip and then said, more or less, “Hmm, who was governor then? Oh, right, Jerry Brown.”

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    debbie says:

    Twitter seemed empty after Christopher Walken stopped tweeting.

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    @ranchandsyrup: Sorry, dead thread, but these are too good to pass up.

    The Hooters gal gave me a cute little wink as she handed me my chicken fingers and a gun loaded with a single bullet.

    The bad news is daddy drank your sea monkeys. The good news is the resulting psychosexual mind-voyage inspired me to start a prog band.

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