@mmfa …but paying CEOs even more UN-fairly for their work will make them work harder and create trillions of jobs!
— billmon (@billmon1) March 14, 2014
By request. What’s on the agenda for the (remnants of) the evening?
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@mmfa …but paying CEOs even more UN-fairly for their work will make them work harder and create trillions of jobs!
— billmon (@billmon1) March 14, 2014
By request. What’s on the agenda for the (remnants of) the evening?
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Omnes Omnibus
Or it might encourage them to volunteer to work that weekend or holiday… I remember union people getting excited about the chance to work overtime on a holiday – triple time. That day went to the senior guys.
trnc
Right wing idiot in position of authority alert.
http://www.brennerbrief.com/public-education-in-america-socialism-solution/
Fortunately, he allowed readers to post responses. I suspect he will fight tooth and nail to learn nothing from those responses.
mclaren
Source: “Former Church Committee Chief Counsel Pushes for New Investigation Into Secret Government,” firedoglake, 13 March 2014.
Karen in GA
Zumba is painful. That is all. Not because there’s nothing more to say, but because it hurts to type.
trnc
@Omnes Omnibus: Not to mention that some people working less because they’re getting paid more means more employment opportunities for other people.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: But, these union thugs want to get paid money for working extra hours on a weekends or late nights, or over a holiday, or on short notice because its less trouble for the boss than doing anything else. That doesn’t count as real work. I mean, if you have to pay money for all the work workers do, that just makes them uppity and lazy.
And how are the one percenters going to get aaaalllll the money with a scheme like that?
Anne Laurie
@Karen in GA: Obligatory reference.
Karen in GA
My husband’s job had a paid snow day recently. The boss wanted people to come in to clean up the shop, without extra pay. He couldn’t understand why my husband laughed at him.
Omnes Omnibus
@trnc: Yeah, the fact that having to pay appropriate overtime can make it logical to hire another person comes into play as well.
ETA: I am sure there is some logical to grinding a few people into the ground but I just can’t see it. I wasn’t raised by sociopaths.
PsiFighter37
Anyone have some tips on the best way to loosen up one’s lower back? I tweaked it pretty badly last week (to the point where I was crawling on the floor Saturday)…it feels better, but it’s definitely a lot tighter, and I feel like I generally have less flexibility overall.
Also, too, it’s not new, but time fucking flies when you get older. Nearly a quarter of 2014 is already gone. It’s a bit weird, because I always had a very hard time envisioning myself getting this old. Not because I’m reckless like the ’27’ Club is, but it is just hard to fathom being at an age that I thought was ancient just a decade ago.
Karen in GA
@Anne Laurie: Why did I not know about this before?
I don’t know how she did it. I can’t move at all right now, much less whore myself out.
Omnes Omnibus
@PsiFighter37: Cortisone shot and a few drinks.
ETA: when I mashed up my ankle playing rugby ever so many years ago, Tylenol-3 and whiskey was proffered. It worked for about 10 hours and then it was the ER for me.
mclaren
@PsiFighter37:
Moderate exercise is great for back pain. Riding a bike does wonders for me.
Gin & Tonic
Here’s a good article about the Crimean Tatars.
Belafon
@mclaren: I’m pretty sure it would be headed by Issa.
David in NY
@PsiFighter37: First, pain killers and be careful — rest if it hurts to move, but move when you can. Then do core (abdominal) strengthening and hamstring stretching exercise. Not intense but regular. Has worked for me for years.
ETA: Don’t think this is really much different from what others said above (a little less intense or less inebriating), but a bit more conservative, which is as it should be. Bike is said to be good, but I don’t like it.
PsiFighter37
@Omnes Omnibus: Isn’t a cortisone shot pretty heavy-duty? I feel like I read about athletes getting jabbed with that kind of thing.
This is moderately embarrassing to say (but I don’t care because I haven’t met a good lot of you and never will!), but it actually causes a problem for me when I need to crap – whatever I tweaked around seems to flare up when sphincter muscles need to be used.
Goddamn, that makes me sound so old and worthless.
NotMax
@PsiFighter37
Immediate alleviation? Damp heat.
Get a clean dishrag or hand towel, hold it under running water and then wring it out. Toss it into the microwave for a short bit to get it steaming hot.
Apply carefully when it cools enough to be bearable.
Omnes Omnibus
@PsiFighter37: Let me just say that I am not a medical doctor and that the rugby anecdote was meant as a warning about how sensible my medical advice can be. I’m the idiot who popped codeine and whiskey and then went to a party – casually walking with an ankle on which I could not put any weight when sober.
Cacti
For your reading/listening pleasure:
Deranged firebagger leaves unhinged voice mail for James Kirchick of the Daily Beast, accusing him and Liz Wahl of conspiring to embarrass RT, and presumably Putin’s uber-progressive military occupation of Crimea.
NotMax
@PsiFighter37
If the pain is evidencing low enough down, that sounds more like a bruised coccyx.
(Bruised Coccyx – another decent garage band name.)
jl
@trnc: I dunno. Maybe it’s about time the truth about those commies Franklin, Jefferson, Madison and Adams was revealed. All of them advocated them commie public schools.
PsiFighter37
@NotMax: I doubt it, because what was giving me really sharp pains was the lower left side of my back, not my assbone. Unless I have a weirdly twisted assbone…
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: I believe that Adams wrote it into the MA Constitution.
@PsiFighter37:
You comment here.
Gin & Tonic
@Cacti: Bob?
Cacti
@Gin & Tonic:
My first thought as well.
lol
Steeplejack
@trnc:
I saw a story about this earlier. I would love to know—but am too lazy to check—whether Ohio is one of the states that actually has public education mandated in its constitution.
LesGS
@Omnes Omnibus: Ack! Acetaminophen and alcohol? Your liver will hate you.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Article VI. (pdf)
jl
The vile communism of John Adams on public education is shocking. Thank goodness U.S. conservatism has rescued itself from this monster of history.
“…. the Whole People must take upon themselvs the Education of the Whole People and must be willing to bear the expences of it. there should not be a district of one Mile square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselv[s] they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants, their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen…”
Letter from John Adams to John Jebb, September 10, 1785, from Grosvenor Square, London
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/quote-of-the-moment-john-adams-necessity-of-public-schools-to-make-the-nation-work/
Gin & Tonic
This is an immutable law of nature, right? No matter how small the proportion is of the area of rug to the area of wood floor, the cat always pukes on the rug.
Linnaeus
Chardonnay and pasta with garlic and oil is on my agenda. I tutor on Thursdays, so this is one of my longer days this week.
Omnes Omnibus
@LesGS: I was 21 and playing rugby. And injured. And 21. And playing rugby.
Yatsuno
@PsiFighter37: See a doc, then go see a good professional torturist. Between the two they can prescribe some good exercises to help relieve some of the inflammation.
Corner Stone
@PsiFighter37:
I’d suggest for someone in your position you may choose to get on your knees when performing your work as opposed to bending over and trying to finish it off.
Omnes Omnibus
@Yatsuno: Spoilsport.
LesGS
@Omnes Omnibus: So your liver (and the rest of your body) hated you in the past.
Anne Laurie
@PsiFighter37: Too bad Raven’s already gone to bed, he’d had some good advice for you!
As a fat old person, I’ve had good luck with chiropractors, but you can probably get all the help you need from therapeutic massage. If you don’t wanna google, I’m guessing you have a gym membership, and the trainers can probably give you some recommendations.
Omnes Omnibus
@LesGS: And apparently I hated it back. The ankle felt great all night. I was young, immortal, and living in the moment. And anyway wasn’t the codeine/booze combo more of an immediate threat?
Steeplejack
@PsiFighter37:
Pete Egoscue has an excellent book, Pain Free, that addresses a lot of issues.
Quick and dirty: here’s a video on lower-back pain from some Egoscue acolytes.
Cassidy
@PsiFighter37: How tweaked is tweaked?
1) Ow, this hurts.
2) Ow, I need to roll out of bed because I can’t sit up.
Origuy
@Steeplejack: One of the commenters in the link at #2 said it is. I found it in Article 6.
Cassidy
@Cassidy: Also location, activity, and description of pain.
Gin & Tonic
@Anne Laurie: After a couple of incidents like Psi’s a few years back, I work out my back on a machine similar to this at my gym at least 3x/week, and have not had any issues.
Omnes Omnibus
@Origuy: Ahem.
Anne Laurie
@PsiFighter37: Look up ‘sciatic nerve pathway’…
Mike in NC
The menu at the restaurant we went to tonight listed “Muscles with Shrimp and Scallops”. Yum!
Omnes Omnibus
@PsiFighter37: Serious question: Can you point to what caused the injury or did you just wake up with it?
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
The stupid, it burns.
ETA: And I see Origuy looked it up too.
TooManyJens
@PsiFighter37: What you’re describing sounds like the same way I fuck up my lower back a few times a year. What helps me both as a stretch and a strengthening exercise is to do a child’s pose (sometimes called a prayer stretch) and then slowly and gently transition into cobra pose, back and forth about ten times. This video shows you the poses: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhklne_yoga-cobra-and-child-s-pose-women-s-fitness_travel
If it hurts, don’t do it, either you’re not healed enough yet or your problem is different.
(It would probably help if I would keep this up on a regular basis and not slack off once my back’s feeling better, but oh well.)
trollhattan
Ha-ha, suck it agribidnez.
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/13/6235395/court-approves-california-delta.html#storylink=cpy
scav
Snicker, we’re getting announcements of Who New NuWho villains are: Keeley Hawes as Ms Delphox, Moffat “…. as she achieves the greatest villainy yet attempted on Doctor Who: she plays a banker.” Even neater turn of phrase? “a banker, the most consensually villainous occupation in the modern world.”
It’s late, time for easy amusement.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: The fucking Ohio Supreme Court (while run by a conservative minority, mind you) took over the funding of the schools in the state because the system of property taxes was wildly inequitable – unconstitutionally so. This was in the mid to late ’90s.
scav
@Mike in NC: An alternative being Serf and Turf?
Omnes Omnibus
@scav:
As a lawyer, I want to protest but I’ll give them their due.
ranchandsyrup
@trollhattan: nice. hadn’t seen that.
TooManyJens
I’d also agree that biking is a good way to keep moving when you have a tweaked back, but would recommend a stationary bike only. You don’t want to be riding over any potholes right now.
J.Ty
@scav: I am so mad at Moffat for this season of Sherlock. And season 3+ of his Dr. Who, excepting the ___ of the Doctor episodes. And the third season of Coupling. I swear, he can only do something well for two years.
J.Ty
@Omnes Omnibus: Eh, you guys know Latin and stuff, that’s cool!
Omnes Omnibus
@J.Ty: Moffat was involved in Coupling? Loved that show.
Suffern ACE
My agenda, same as it was last week. Bitching and moaning about procurement officers who ask for information in proposals that couldn’t possibly matter.
TooManyJens
@J.Ty: I liked the third season of Coupling, because I loved the way Patrick and Sally’s relationship developed. Then the fourth season was shit.
I’m sticking with Sherlock and just resigning myself to its ridiculousness, but I’m done with Doctor Who until Moffat’s gone.
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Used car salespersons ain’t chopped liver.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: Bankers and lawyers can really fuck up peoples shit; used car salespeople are just slimy.
ETA: I have an army buddy who is a bigwig at Bank of America. If I work with him (unethically), we could own your house by next weekend. Used car people can’t do that.
J.Ty
@Omnes Omnibus: As a matter of fact, he wrote it.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
I didn’t read the earlier story in great detail. I just saw that this guy is an Ohio state legislator who is saying that public education is evil because socialism, and it triggered a vague memory that a lot of northern pre-Civil War states have public education specifically mandated in their constitutions. I would ask how this guy manages to square that circle, but I’m sure Article VI would come as a complete surprise to him.
Dexter's new approach
Hard work should be rewarded and incentivized. No wait, hard work, working beyond the normal should be provided for free. Hold on, let me reorient myself.
Poor/working class people should take any level wage to create a work culture, and if they’re lucky move up to working long hours off the clock. However, rich people need higher after-tax incomes to incentivize them to work harder. Why would anyone work harder for slightly lower income gains?
Smell the glove
danielx
@trnc:
Brenner is
passionate about education reform, school choice, stopping progressive curriculum in our schools, smaller and more sensible government, and individual liberty.an asshole.Fixed.
How does someone who says things like this get elected?
Cause that worked out so well in Russia….
Suffern ACE
@Omnes Omnibus: Used car salesmen also provide a necessary service, unless we expect people to simply discard their cars and buy new ones.
Anyway, I’m going to go with “management consultant” and anyone whose title can be described as “advisor”.
J.Ty
@Suffern ACE: Bizdev! My friends who “work in bizdev” still can’t figure out how to explain what they do, except for one, who said that his main talent is “being able to translate Neckbeard to Investor, and vice-versa”
Omnes Omnibus
@Suffern ACE:
Even Gabriel Byrne’s character in Miller’s Crossing? Fucking sacrilege.
And while used car salesfolk may provide a service, they are a consensually villainous group, occupation-wise.
ruemara
I’m so excited. This weekend, I’ve decided to go explore Golden Gate Park! I’ve never been. And COMIC CON TICKETS ARE ON SALE ON SATURDAY! um, 10 am, yeah, that’s it, 10 am. you all wait until 10 am. yes.
ooOoo and my numbers are back and I’m have very nice cholesterol levels. Good news abounds.
J.Ty
@ruemara: Go to the Tree Fern Dell, if you can find it. It’s on the Eastern end. Most of the vegetation is gigantic ferns. It’s like there’s going to be a dinosaur tearing after you at any second.
Yatsuno
@Omnes Omnibus: Hey I could have suggested surgical intervention, but that’s a long ways down the path for him. I bet Egoscue will help. He’s more than capable of handling the drugs & booze option.
jl
@Steeplejack:
@Origuy:
Looks like all the states have something about public education in their constitutions:
State Constitutions and Public Education Governance
Education Commission of the States
http://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/17/03/1703.htm
Wikipedia article on history of public education in U.S. say laws to establish free and later compulsory public education systems started in northern states in 1840s. That is when the rot set in.
FlipYrWhig
@NotMax:
You’re thinking of The Bruised Cock Six.
Omnes Omnibus
@Yatsuno: I have been known to offer to amputate limbs in the event of a blister. Better safe than sorry, you know. Gangrene is dangerous. My niece and nephew do not complain to me about injuries.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: The Revolutions of 1848. The Chartists. Public education in the US. Good god, what a horrible decade.
jl
Final thought on Ohio Rep Brenner and public education. If the Ohio he is from is THAT Ohio, I believe that it’s formation and admission to the union was governed by the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which required establishment of schools and encouragement of education in the new territories. Not sure much was done to enforce that, but that was the law. The law was explicitly adopted by the new U.S. government under the Constituion.
Some historian expert person can correct me if I’m wrong. Been a long time since I studied in HS, but Wikipedia seems to confirm my memory.
Northwest Ordinance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Ordinance#Admission_of_new_states
gian
@PsiFighter37:
A script for decent muscle relaxants. Maybe a week’s worth. That and otc nsaids.
Pain makes the muscles tense up. Which can cause more pain.
Been in a few car accidents. The muscle relaxants worked way better than the opiate pain killers for getting moving. Of course your mileage may vary. And be real careful to mix with etoh. Bad idea
Bob In Portland
Thanks for thinking about me.
J.Ty
I’m +thursdaynight at this point, but if you don’t already know about the time the French Revolution folks used a 30-day month, 10-day week calendar, well, that happened http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar
Omnes Omnibus
@J.Ty: I have off tomorrow. IIRC, hobbits also used a 30 day calender. And Sauron happened. I know that correlation =/= causation, but still.
ruemara
i can’t believe how excited I am to talk to scientists about science stuffs. Would anyone here be interested in me posting the vid for next months webisode on human nature? It might be boring, but some may find it interesting. It’s about how being successful in not poisoning ourselves off in the 70’s may have contributed to our current stalemate on big sustainability projects as a nation, right now. I thought it might be a good subject to film on.
chopper
@Cacti:
Mine also. Lol.
Punchy
I heard that this missing plane may be in the Indian Ocean. I Hopi they find it. I imagine quite a few families will Souix the airline. I dont mean to Crow, but this Chickasaw said she thinks they landed near an island. You’d think they could find a Ho-Chunk of the airplane in the shallow waters…
Omnes Omnibus
@ruemara: Post a link. People who will find it interesting will appreciate it; those who do not won’t mind.
trollhattan
@Punchy:
You are shamanless.
Omnes Omnibus
@Punchy: Sioux. if you are going to do it., it is Sioux.
Joseph Nobles
@scav: “a banker, the most consensually villainous occupation in the modern world”
Mark Gatiss begins playing a recurring banker character in Game of Thrones this season. Nice of Moffat to throw that “modern” in there.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joseph Nobles: Gatiss plays Mycroft in Sherlock, right?
Debbie(aussie)
@trnc:
I hope Kay (front pager) saw/sees this. Would love to see it front paged even. I am so afraid that we(Aus) are about to follow done some terrible right-wing pathways. Vent as the US tries some reform in healthcare, our current gov’ts, state & federal are going in the other direction.
Bastards the lot oh them.
Omnes Omnibus
@Debbie(aussie): The guy’s ideas are unconstitutional under the Ohio Constitution. No interpretation required.
Debbie(aussie)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Even so, it seems to encourage some to see the Overton window moved further to the right.
Omnes Omnibus
@Debbie(aussie): And?
Ruckus
@PsiFighter37:
I’ve done in my back really badly a couple of times. Once pulled the main muscles on both sides, that was two weeks to be able to get out of bed. About 6 yrs ago I herniated a disc. I now sleep on a solid bed or the floor, otherwise I can’t walk, sit, bend and same problem as you, exhaust the extra stuff with any gusto. Ibuprofen is my friend. So much so that I have to watch that I don’t over do it.
If it’s a muscle issue try heat or cold, probably heat. Not too long at a time. See a doc, probably get some PT.
If it’s a disc, sleep on the floor for a few days. See a doc.
lol chikinburd
Tony Benn (1925-2014)
SiubhanDuinne
@lol chikinburd:
Sorry to hear that. RIP.
kentropic
@PsiFighter37: Try stretching your hamstrings. Sit on the floor with your back against a wall, legs in a flat V in front of you. Throw a towel or belt or whatever over one foot, & *gently* pull your torso forward until you feel it in the back of your leg (it won’t take much). Don’t bounce. Hold for a 10 count, then do the other leg, 3 reps each side, first thing every morning & again before bed. It works like a charm for me when the back spasms act up!
evinfuilt
@trnc:
This is when I mention that I’ve known Andrew for over 10 years now. We used to game a lot together online, but have grown apart due to politics (I know, imagine that.) He now knows of this post and I’d think he’s be proud to be heckled by us.
truth, sorry Andrew, but it’s the truth. You could learn a lot by reading.