Annals Of An Alternate World: Sochi/Capitalism Edition

Via Queer Nation New York, this ad that should get a wider audience than it will — in Russia and here:

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I’d like to teach the world, indeed.
Over to you.
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  1. 1
    Tommy says:

    The publication Vice has an HBO show now. They did a story last year, where gay men in Russia are meeting people in classified ads online. But the people looking to meet them are not gay and they end up getting beat to within an inch of their lives. These folks film it and post it online. I am sure you could find the videos if you want, but it is horrifying stuff.

    I don’t normally throw out the word Nazi. Overused IMHO. But I wondered if that might have been what it was like to be a Jew back in Hilter’s rule.

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    opiejeanne says:

    Thanks for posting this. These people you see getting arrested in this little ad, it’s heart-breaking to watch. I haven’t been able to watch the terrible videos of the mistreatment of homosexuals in Russia, haven’t got the stomach for it.

  3. 3
    WaterGirl says:

    I admire the bravery of anyone who protests anything in a country like Russia, but seeing this breaks my heart.

    I can’t get over the feeling that having the olympics in Russia will not end well.

  4. 4
    Tommy says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I admire the bravery of anyone who protests anything in a country like Russia, but seeing this breaks my heart.

    Much braver people then myself. It might feel good to say I’d protest, but honestly I’d be scared to death.

  5. 5
    WaterGirl says:

    @Tommy: Sad to say, but I don’t think I would have the courage.

  6. 6
    Tommy says:

    @WaterGirl: I agree very sad and I don’t think I would either. Maybe the only thing that would make me is this:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

    It is something I think about a lot. I mean I am an upper middle class straight white male. Generally speaking nobody is coming to take away anything from me. I try to think that if I was maybe gay. Or a women. Or this or that people would speak out and for me. So I try.

    But again in Russia, not so sure I would. They will send you to a forced labor camp, ask the two ladies from P Riot. Heck the Green Peace staff only barely got out of ten years in jail, really I think for a PR stunt prior to the Olympics.

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    eric says:

    @WaterGirl: if i might say: most of us would not, now. But deprive you of your rights beat and kill your friends and you might feel the existential threat more profoundly. I am with you, but think that many of us would morph under such horrors.

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    geg6 says:

    @Tommy:

    They will send you to a forced labor camp, ask the two ladies from P Riot. Heck the Green Peace staff only barely got out of ten years in jail, really I think for a PR stunt prior to the Olympics.

    I agree with you about the Greenpeace people and PRiot only got let out, not as a stunt, but due to the pressure being put on him. Did you watch the HBO doc about PRiot? Really good film. These women are very brave.

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    Pogonip says:

    I see no reason to patronize the Russian Olympics when the entire eastern US is having our own winter Olympics. You can go to snowplow races, sidewalk ice skating, weight lifting with snow shovels, you name it. The Olympic torch is being carried from house to house, being used to melt frozen pipes. Gays are welcome; anyone willing to join the snow-shoveling team is welcome. Who needs those Russian snobs? We got yer winter Olympics right here!

  10. 10
    gogol's wife says:

    @Pogonip:

    Sad but true. LOL

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    WaterGirl says:

    @eric: I used to be certain that if I had been alive while the nazis were persecuting the jews that I would have worked to try to stop it, or to try to help in some way. Now I hope that it would be true. When I look at the Pussy Riot women who came out of forced labor imprisonment and see them openly defiant, still, I am in awe.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    What’s sad is that we have a non-trivial amount of people in this country who see no problem with enforcing Russian-style anti-gay laws on our own citizens if they get the power.

  13. 13
    Pogonip says:

    My team should have won the Silver in Windshield Clearing, but them rich bastards in the next burb over cheated with fancy heated scrapers. Biggest sport scandal since the Black Sox, if you ask me.

  14. 14
    Tommy says:

    @geg6: Yes I did. Very brave women. When I first heard of the story I assumed they might have done something in that church. I don’t know urinated on the alter or something over-the-top. Then I saw the video of what they did and I was like, that is it?

    Somebody here last night that knows a lot more about Russia then myself talked about the power the Orthodox Church now has within the government, and I asked for more details and didn’t get any. It would seem to me, from the outside looking in, that that influence might mater a lot and we need to understand it.

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    patrick II says:

    People who live in such a dangerous environment for gays and still are compelled to pursue their identity give lie to the assertion that being gay is a matter of choice. No one would choose such a heartbreaking life if not compelled to.

  16. 16
    Pogonip says:

    Is John OK? I am concerned that he wasn’t exaggerating for comic effect, that Steve really nailed him and he’s now sick. Cat bites are no joke. Could he please check in?

  17. 17
    TG Chicago says:

    @Tom Levenson: Maybe I’m dense, but when I saw your post, I thought this was possibly a legit ad put out by Coke. I wonder if you should make it clear that this is Queer Nation’s remix.

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    @Tommy: I have a Russian friend whose brother has been protesting against Putin since the last rigged election which put Putin back in power. He has a job with the government and has 4 kids. Truly brave. He says he is doing it for his children so that they can live in a better Russia.

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    Tommy says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I like to tell stories. I got a few of them. I was in grad school in 1991. We had a group of journalist from Russia come to our school to learn, well about journalism. I was the president of the grad school association and it fell to me to plan their visit.

    One of the guys was a former military official (worked on a sub) that wrote for Pravda.

    When he found out my father worked for the US military we talked for hours. He said you know we didn’t really want to kill you Americans? I was like we didn’t want to kill you either.

    It was such a hopeful conversation. To find we were not that different. That maybe we could get along. I don’t know what happened but it seems we can’t get along so well now.

    Clearly I find that sad on many different levels.

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    gbear says:

    What’s happening in Russia is bad (I’ve tried to watch some of those ambush videos but I can’t), and Russia’s discrimination is in the spotlight due to the olympics, but what’s happening in Nigeria makes Russia look like a picnic. Gay people are being arrested simply for being gay, and it won’t be long until someone is sentenced by the courts to be stoned to death.Haters there are lining up to throw the first stones. US Christianists are helping them to write the kill-the-gay laws they wish could get passed in the US.

    Click on the ‘Nigeria’ link at the end of the article I linked to.

  21. 21
    Ben Franklin says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    To me that’s gut-level courage. My biggest problem would be thinking too much about what could happen. I think Russian/Soviet life must have been tortuous even for those considered well-off. We don’t really know what hardship is, in the U.S.

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    Tom levenson says:

    @TG Chicago: away from home, so can’t edit the post easily. But I’ll say here: this is a remix as much a testimony aimed at corporate enablers of the Sochi Olympics as it is at Russia itself.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    What’s sad is that we have a non-trivial amount of people in this country who see no problem with enforcing Russian-style anti-gay laws on our own citizens if they get the power.

    Oh, would those be the same people who think Obama is abusing government power to punish straight white conservatives?

  24. 24
    Smiling Mortician says:

    OT, but did you all see Chris Hayes’ righteous rant last night about what income inequality actually means? It’s a thing of beauty.

  25. 25
    shelly says:

    Is John OK? I am concerned that he wasn’t exaggerating for comic effect, that Steve really nailed him and he’s now sick

    When did this happen?

  26. 26
    raven says:

    @shelly: When he shaved the cat’s ass the other night.

  27. 27
    Roger Moore says:

    @Kropadope:

    Oh, would those be the same people who think Obama is abusing government power to punish straight white conservatives?

    Got it in one. Not letting them enact their bigotry into law is oppression.

  28. 28
    Kropadope says:

    @Roger Moore: Oh, forgot to use scare quotes to note the falseness of their conservatism. I didn’t know their claims that passing gay marriage into law would lead to the destruction of traditional marriage weren’t unfounded predictions, but rather threats.

  29. 29
    Cacti says:

    @gbear:

    What’s happening in Russia is bad (I’ve tried to watch some of those ambush videos but I can’t), and Russia’s discrimination is in the spotlight due to the olympics, but what’s happening in Nigeria makes Russia look like a picnic. Gay people are being arrested simply for being gay, and it won’t be long until someone is sentenced by the courts to be stoned to death.Haters there are lining up to throw the first stones. US Christianists are helping them to write the kill-the-gay laws they wish could get passed in the US.

    And doing it with the praise of the Catholic Archbishops of Jos and Abuja. One of whom was made a Cardinal by the new “liberal” pope back in 2012.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Smiling Mortician: It would have been better had it not been preceded by a promo for NBC’s Olympics coverage.

  31. 31
    Pogonip says:

    @shelly: When he tried to shave Steve’s aft end. But he’s well enough to cook, so must be OK.

  32. 32
    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Tokyokie: I didn’t see that. Yeah, that puts it in a different light.

  33. 33
    divF says:

    @Cacti:
    Since Francis was elected to the Papacy in March 2013, he did not promote a cardinal in 2012.

  34. 34
    Bitter and Deluded Lurker says:

    @Cacti: While I’m still pretty cynical about the new guy, he wasn’t pope until March 2013.

  35. 35
    Cacti says:

    @Bitter and Deluded Lurker:

    While I’m still pretty cynical about the new guy, he wasn’t pope until March 2013.

    You’re right. He got his Cardinal’s hat from Bennie.

    Frank made him Apostolic Administrator for the Diocese of Ahaira.

    ETA: Also appointed him to the Presidential Committee of the Pontifical Council for the Family.

  36. 36
    chopper says:

    @gbear:

    I can’t watch those ambush videos. it’s as if the KKK 60-some odd-years ago had YouTube.

  37. 37
    Pogonip says:

    @chopper: I can’t watch ANY videos tonight, they keep getting stuck for some reason. I think the Intertubes are freezing.

  38. 38
    Hawes says:

    In the US, LGBT Americans can say they only want to be treated like everyone else.

    The sad thing about LGBT Russians, is that they kind of are being treated like most other Russians who disagree with the regime publicly.

  39. 39
    John Weiss says:

    @Ben Franklin: “We don’t really know what hardship is, in the U.S.” Baloney. I remind you of the folk under the bridges.

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