Sing, Mika, sing

Say what you will about the tenets of Mark Halperin, at least he’s moved on to fluffing Jeb Bush.

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  1. 1
    Zifnab25 says:

    In all fairness, Dawn Zimmer clearly has a huge credibility problem what with her inability to secure that Hurricane Sandy relief money she promised her constituents.

  2. 2
    Punchy says:

    Boston-ites are telling this story to each other and thinking “that crotchety old former bench-coach from the Cubs/Yankees got himself elected mayor?”

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    Corner Stone says:

    I had occasion to watch a little Morning Joe this am, and Mika was indignantly righteous about just how hard she would have got in the LTG’s face and demanded Sandy money RIGHT AWAY, OR ELSE!
    Sure you would, Mika.
    Joe was his predictably awful self.

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    Corner Stone says:

    With that said, Zimmer is going to get absolutely hammered. She better pray that whatever she told the US Attorney can’t be deviated from, even a teeny bit.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I also felt mild revulsion watching the NJ LTG make her stated denial/rebuttal. She just comes across as not very trustworthy, nor as a good person.
    I’d like to see her go on record with the US Attorney and make her statement.

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    phantomist says:

    Squint: “I tell ya, I didn’t kill that intern!”

    Mika: “I don’t know if he’s telling the truth. I’m not convinced”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    What Mika Brzezinski thinks doesn’t matter. It comes down now to whether the US Attorney for New Jersey decides to file charges against Chris Christie, who by the way is his immediate predecessor. If there are indeed charges filed, then there is something to Dawn Zimmer’s accusation, and possibly those of anyone else who comes forward — enough, in the US Attorney’s judgement, that Chris Christie must defend himself against it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    I do believe they’re scratching their heads in the neighborhood around 1060 W Addison, Chicago, as well.

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    Napoleon says:



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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Yeah, right. Mika would do that. Sure.

    Again, I’ve got millions waiting for you in a Nigerian bank if only you’ll send me your account information.

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    RaflW says:

    Even though she’s married (to a man, even) I’m sure some grade A slut-shaming can’t be far behind.

    The knuckle-dragers and good ol boys will do all they can to impugn her. It’s all part of the predictably mean and demeaning playbook.

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    scav says:

    Are the gatekeepers and leaders of information suddenly seeming slightly worried that gates aren’t being respected and opinions not being led? Didn’t they announce to the world already that this was a minor blip in the rear-view window and already over,entirely not a scandal, past tense and no biggie? Poor dears.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: MSNBC Republican talking head called Zimmer a “slick politician”.

    Hilarious that Christie’s defenders are harping on “Liberal MSNBC!”. Do Villagers get that the Joe and Mika Show is on MSNBC?

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    Patrick says:

    Did Mika have any comment whatsoever to why Hoboken had only received $300k out of requested $120million? Or is the “why did she wait so long” line all they got?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: if I’m following this correctly, the option was to passively accept the Rockefeller redevelopment.

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    cathyx says:

    @Amir Khalid: The Lieutenant Gov is next in line, then the pres of state senate in NJ. We already know that the Lieutenant Gov is Christie’s boy, not sure about the pres of the senate, but that person probably is too.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    And if you don’t passively accept the redevelopment, well, what a nice town you have there, mayor. Would be a shame if we didn’t send you a dime of Sandy recovery money, now wouldn’t it?

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    Corner Stone says:


    I’m sure some grade A slut- shaming can’t be far behind.

    I’m surprised they haven’t already found a former lover to produce salacious details.
    Or that her husband is crooked somehow.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    Mayor Zimmer cooperated with the Feds, and is willing to give statements under oath. Let’s see the Lt. Governor do the same.

    Squint Scarborough and that punching bag he calls a co-host have been blowing Christie for years. Apparently said punching bag had a long phone conversation with the Outlaw Jersey Whale after his press conference. They aren’t exactly unbiased.

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    RaflW says:

    @Patrick: Well, Obama being unable to get Republican votes for his policy ideas is a clear indication of his own hyper-partisanship, so this line on Zimmer is very likely.

    Also, too, poors are poor, ergo, they’re poor.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The Illinois Nazis pulling up to Wrigley Field was possibly the funniest scene in The Blues Brothers.

    Also, I’m wondering how long DougJ has been sitting on this headline waiting for an appropriate time to use it. I was just listening to the song again yesterday.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    enough, in the US Attorney’s judgement, that Chris Christie must defend himself against it.

    Enough evidence that the AG thinks he can get a conviction. Even if he is 100% certain that there was a crime, he won’t file charges if he doesn’t think he can win.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    We’re at the point where the demise of Joe, Mika, and Mark ala that of Howard Beale, in mid broadcast, would be a suitable way to resolve the situation for once and for all.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Obviously, it’s easy for a multi-millionaire like Mika, with no constituency to serve, to say just how righteous she is. And how she knows nothing about the kind of bully Gov Christie is, and every freakin pol in NJ knows it.

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    Chris says:

    “I don’t know if she’s telling the truth. I’m not convinced.”

    For fuck’s sake.

    It’s a shining testament to how completely in the bag for the GOP our media is that an MSNBC journalist can get away with in effect telling the audience that she thinks they ought to disregard this. Can anyone imagine a journalist ever doing this for Obama, or anyone from his side of the aisle?

    And still the media is seen as “liberally biased,” with MSNBC as one of the prime examples. Christ in heaven.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Or that her husband is crooked somehow.

    Perhaps his dick has some “distinguishing features” ala the Clenis?

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    geg6 says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    To me, the fact that the US attorney dropped everything on a Sunday and met with her is pretty big. That is not normal AT ALL. Most of the time, they would have waited, at least, until Tuesday (after MLK holiday) if not longer.

    She has offered not only to provide all of her testimony and evidence. She’s offered to take a lie detector test. Tell me, did the Lt. Governor mention that she’d be providing the USA all of her testimony and documentation to show that Zimmer is a liar and offer to take a lie detector test? If not, I plan to pay no attention to her spirited attempts at deflection and spin.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    My understanding is that both houses of the New Jersey state legislature are under Democratic control.

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    Brian R. says:

    I don’t know if Mika has a fully-functioning brain. I’m not convinced.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I personally don’t have a problem with someone saying they are not sure what the truth is yet. IMO, that’s acceptable. But the M-J crew went beyond that and started down the path of denigrating Zimmer for just about any avenue they could think of. And I consider that to be bullshit.
    I find Zimmer credible and I find the LTG to not be credible. But I’m willing to wait to see what happens, and I hope the LTG givers her testimony under oath to a federal official.
    Until that happens, I believe asking for her to do so is appropriate.

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    Corner Stone says:

    And to get back to a recent conversation here on taking the 5th amendment, I would hope to not pre-judge the LTG if she chose that when the time came. And it wouldn’t de facto make Zimmer’s testimony the truth. But as a public servant, I believe her constituents deserve an openness in govt and if she feels for some reason she can’t provide that, it may be appropriate for her to resign from public office.

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    Corner Stone says:


    Or is the “why did she wait so long” line all they got?

    I didn’t watch all of it as I needed a little sleep, but the two attacks I mainly saw where the, “why so long?” and also, “why wouldn’t she have demanded immediate monies from Sandy Aid?”.
    The 30 or 40 minutes I watched had nothing but invective against Zimmer and how she was not credible in the least because of her really poor character.

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    cathyx says:

    Is the Attorney General a Christie appointment?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Well, we already know that some of Christie’s minions are caught in perjury traps of their own design. What we’re waiting for now is the smoking gun that directly links Christie to the actions of the minions. Wildstein might supply that. Christie set himself up for a spectacular fall with that press conference, determined to try to cast all the blame on the minions who, in a “hands on” administration, were totally out of control and off the reservation when they spoke of causing traffic problems in Ft. Lee.

    Once that happens, the Outlaw Joisey Whale goes down the path of Richard “I am not a crook!” Nixon in almost precise parallel. Members of his own party will have no choice, if they value their political futures, than to jump on the “Impeach Christie” bandwagon that is sure to form in Trenton.

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    MikeJ says:

    @cathyx: US AG. Fishman was appointed by Obama, so sure to be a huge disappointment to you.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Beyond the cruelty of withholding national Sandy Funds from a city that was damaged by the storm, I’m wondering if the particular development in question needed those funds. I am not certain about this, but aren’t those funds supposed to repair storm damage and restore community services?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: IMO, I can believe why Zimmer waited until now for a few reasons. Many having to do with a popular and powerful Gov being almost unassailable. Especially with what we have so far, and let’s face it, it’s really a she said/she said situation unless something else comes out.
    But another was probably doing a bunch of praying, and lots of nights with no sleep talking with her husband about how bad their life would get if she did come forward, and if her sense of right and wrong was powerful enough to put her kids/family through it.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Whoa now. Let’s not get carried away. We’re talking about Hoboken.

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    dmsilev says:

    Hilarious that Christie’s defenders are harping on “Liberal MSNBC!”. Do Villagers get that the Joe and Mika Show is on MSNBC?

    NYT has a “breaking up is hard to do” story about MSNBC and Christie “getting a divorce”.

    Someone is probably writing a really really cruddy country song about it even as we speak.

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    DougJ says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I’ve seen a lot of similar situations and people are generally afraid to be the first to come forward.

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    Cassidy says:

    Wrong Mika singing. Much prefer this one.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:



    But then again, we also have the Jersey City experience…all those meetings abruptly cancelled the day they were scheduled to take place all because the mayor there was not playing ball as directed from…somewhere…

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Brian R.: Ha!

    She’s a pretty face who doesn’t talk back to the host. That’s enough. I cannot imagine Joe tolerating a smart woman with an opposing view as a co-host.

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    geg6 says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes, but I seem to remember Kornacki mentioning that the President of the Senate in NJ is one of the Dem Christie backers. I even remember someone (probably Kornacki, since I don’t watch Maddow) saying that one of the reasons they pulled Wildstein in to testify a couple of weeks ago was that he was so in the bag for Christie that the current Senate President was afraid that the new one would not allow the investigation to go forward and would kill it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Yup, perfectly plausible that Zimmer held off bringing this up for…oh, I don’t know…fear of further retribution, perhaps?

    Nah, that’s unpossible. That would never happen. Just ask the mayor of Ft. Lee!

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    DougJ says:


    I was referencing the opening of Rudi Can’t Fail.

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    cathyx says:

    @MikeJ: I voted for Obama, so no. The attorney general who Zimmer talked to was a US attorney general or the state attorney general?

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    geg6 says:


    Yes, it’s an appointed position in NJ. So the NJAG is Christie’s creature. Thankfully, that’s one place we here in PA are a bit more progressive and that’s why we have the lovely and assertive Kathleen Kane.

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    shelly says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Or snide comments about her hairstyle.

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    bjacques says:

    Great seeing the likes of MJ trying to put out the previous fire as the next one catches. At this rate they’ll have to go live so they can spin developments as they happen and not that evening.

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    Patrick says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Thanks for watching as I would never watch FoxNews (yes, to me it is FoxNews and I refuse to help sponsor it).

    I’d be curious what people such as Joe/Mika/FoxNews had to say about bridge gate. Doesn’t it come a point where you start looking bad if you are going to keep defending him no matter what? With all these accusations from different people, doesn’t it come a point that maybe at least one of them is truthful and their God, Christie, indeed did something wrong?

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    geg6 says:


    A US Attorney. What Chris Christie was under Gonzalez and Chimpy.

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    EconWatcher says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Political skulduggery crossing into the border of illegality happens every day. But most of the time, it’s deniable and unprovable. A seasoned pol would know not to pick a fight if she can’t make her allegations stick. She could only hurt her constituents and herself that way.

    On the other hand, if some emails about a similar situation surface and prove the conduct undeniably, then it’s certainly time to speak up and say it happened over here too.

    This is just obviously and boringly true. Anyone who pretends not to understand it has an agenda other than truth.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @cathyx: MSNBC says US Attorney, which is a whole other ball of wax:
    “This afternoon I met with the U.S. Attorney’s office for several hours at their request and provided them with my journal and other documents,” Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer said in a statement Sunday. “As they pursue this investigation, I will provide any requested information and testify under oath about the facts of what happened when the Lieutenant Governor came to Hoboken and told me that Sandy aid would be contingent on moving forward with a private development project.”

    US attorney inquiry into Christie widens

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    hildebrand says:

    @Patricia Kayden: They should put Rachel Maddow on the morning show for a week. That would be fun, fun, fun.

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    MNFreeze says:

    I watched that segment this morning. The most hilarious thing for me seeing it in real time is even Halperin has abandoned the SS Christie. Mika and Baghdad Joe can’t seem to read the writing on the wall….

    100% agree with the earlier comment that Christie’s own press conference sealed his political (and perhaps legal) fate. What an idiot!

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    Corner Stone says:


    Or snide comments about her hairstyle.

    I kind of like her hair. It’s not for everyone, but for the Mayor of Hoboken? Seems about right.
    What I am not down with is the fact that she kept a daily journal. Seriously, who does that? And the awful loopy, scrawly handwriting! I think we should convict Zimmer just for that atrocity alone, nevermind that she’s clearly hysterically insane and lying about our beloved NJ Gov.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    This is just obviously and boringly true. Anyone who pretends not to understand it has an agenda other than truth.


    Also, too, your second sentence describes the MJ crowd prezactly. With whipped cream and a cherry on top.

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    kindness says:

    Occasionally the Morning Joe herd get it right. What is so crazy is the stuff they get completely wrong. I can forgive covering up your friends illegal/borderline illegal behavior by explaining it away. But chucking a Mayor under the bus for saying what several other mayors have said and then acting like it was the mayor that was pulling a fast one…..

    Joe…..Mika…..if Fox wanted you, you’d be getting their paycheck right now. Now why MSNBC keeps paying them….I have not a clue.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Come to that, didn’t Zimmer herself endorse Christie’s first campaign for Governor? As Christie’s position weakens now, not least because of how he (or his staff) has been dealing with Democratic local officials, it seems possible to me that his support from that party might be weakening also.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Corner Stone:

    She probably also supported the Near Sheriff’s Presidential campaigns.

    It’s time to put her on our largest scales and see if she weighs the same as a duck.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    Say what you will about the tenets of Mark Halperin, at least he’s moved on to fluffing Jeb Bush.

    Once again, DougJ and his fellow travellers at BJ try to turn me off fellatio by conjuring up nauseating mental pictures. TRY HARDER!

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Corner Stone: really, they were going after a mayor for keeping a journal? Mika never saw her father stuff down in a little red or black hard bound book?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: What’s weird is how invested in the Gov Zimmer actually comes across as. A lot of very personal revelations in the journal blurbs I have seen.
    Like not only does she think this attempted extortion is illegal and wrong against her citizens, but that she has also been personally betrayed.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Suffern ACE: No, that was me going after her for keeping a journal. I find the very idea to be abhorrent.
    As far as I know they may or may not have ridiculed the journal aspect. They ridiculed everything else about Zimmer, so it’s possible.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Comrade Mary:
    It’s good to know that you’re bravely resisting DougJ’s efforts to make you lose your, um, appetite for fellatio.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Brian R.:

    I don’t know if Mika has a fully-functioning brain. I’m not convinced.

    There’s a “SPACE FOR RENT” sign between her earrings. That convinces me that it not only is not fully-functioning, but that is non-existent.

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    geg6 says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think she endorsed him both times (I may be wrong about the second, not sure). She has said that she really admired him for taking out the corrupt asshole who was mayor before she was. That’s what made it all so horrible for her, I guess. She just had a hard time accepting that the guy she really did seem to think was one of the good guys turn out to be even worse than they people he’d prosecuted.

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    geg6 says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    This. Gawd, I hate that woman. Which drives me crazy because I really, really like her dad.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Is there a link to where I can read these journal entries?

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Felonius Monk: Whatever else Mika might be, she isn’t stupid. I’m sure Ms. Brzezinski is intelligent enough to remember that famous Sinclair Lewis quote about a paycheck.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Patricia Kayden: not at all. Has no one noticed that Rachel Maddow hasn’t been on Morning Joe since she dared not let Joe Scar talk over her on numerous occasion and was showing the least bit affected or intmitdated by Joe Scars overbearing way with woman???

    Hell, they don’t even do election analysis together AT ALL!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Well, if she has, she’s conveniently doublethought it away.

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    Cervantes says:


    The attorney general who Zimmer talked to was a US attorney general or the state attorney general?

    She did not talk to an attorney general. She talked to lawyers from the United States attorney’s (i.e., federal prosecutor’s) office in Newark.

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    lamh36 says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: A paycheck that is much bigger than it used to be thanks to her buddy Joe Scar “going to bat for her” so that she could make a wage comparable to her male counterpart. I’ve noticed though that never in her retelling of the story does it say she makes the same as her co-host.

    So essentially Joe Scar is her boss and she knows it.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Corner Stone: at my job, the little red books are still circulated each year to the executives. I think the ones who work on government contracts still have to keep them. I am not certain what the laws are for Hoboken mayors, but perhaps she picked that up somewhere. Or do you find the idea that the mayor doesn’t post every conversation she has up to the internet a problem?

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    Violet says:

    @lamh36: Well, the title of the show is “Morning Joe”, not “Morning Mika” so if she’s clearly not supposed to be the star.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Corner Stone:

    No, that was me going after her for keeping a journal. I find the very idea to be abhorrent.

    What’s wrong with keeping a journal? It’s a good way of making sure you remember important things, and in the case of a public official, that can be extremely important- as it’s proving in this case. It seems like both a practical move and a sensible CYA option for a public official in a high corruption area, which local NJ politics appears to be.

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    Cervantes says:

    Say what you will about the tenets of Mark Halperin, at least he’s moved on to fluffing Jeb Bush.

    Er … what are the tenets of Mark Halperin?

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:


    at least he’s moved on to fluffing Jeb Bush.

    Great news for anyone who ever runs against Jeb Bush.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    Or do you find the idea that the mayor doesn’t post every conversation she has up to the internet a problem?

    Actually, when I daydream about being in elected public office (say a US Congressperson or Senator – please keep in mind “fantasy”), I would have one of my staffers sit in on every meeting I held and post a summary online of who attended and what was discussed. If it were to rise to a security level issue, then that would be a limited exception. If it were a constituent I would respect their privacy and just post a general summary about constituent services rendered/discussed. If it were a company or lobbyist then if they didn’t want that info published they could go ask someone else for a favor. Like I said, a daydream.
    In my current reality, I remember everything just fine, and find no need to write it down somewhere.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Cervantes: both sides do it, but when the Democrats do it, it is much much worse. Also, unresolved issues that his mother tried to make him do things he didn’t want and therefore he has trouble with pushy women. You know, the normal tenets of our punditry.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Roger Moore: I could be wrong, but I think at the end of this we’re going to find out the Mayor will wish she had not kept a journal.
    That’s just IMO.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: Here is one from CNN. I haven’t read through it. I was mainly referring to the posts The Kornack displayed on UP this past weekend.
    Link to journal

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Corner Stone: the journal can also contain impressions. And in this case it does. It’s ok to keep impressions separately, because they might turn out to be wrong.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Do you think that in the course of investigating the Governor’s office and its dealings with Zimmer, the US attorney will find something else in the journal that incriminates her? On what basis?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: I doubt anything incriminating, IMO. But more that it is a “personal” journal. And so I can only conclude it contains many personal insights, observations and deeply emotional memories. Maybe about personal things we have no business knowing.
    But if it is offered for review, then won’t both sides get to review it? And it is IMO that the other side will slant/skew/distort even the most innocent revelation into a way to humiliate and punish Zimmer and/or her family.
    That’s just IMO.

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    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN) says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    It comes down now to whether the US Attorney for New Jersey decides to file charges against Chris Christie . . .

    No, it doesn’t and this is a terrible way to think about a political scandal. It should come down to whether the mayor’s accusation turns out to be true. Even if what Christie is alleged to have done isn’t illegal it was still wrong and it should be a scandal.

    Since Watergate there has become a very strong tendency to conflate whether some action by politicians is illegal with whether it is scandalous. There are many ways that something can be the latter without being the former and even a few ways it could be the other way around. They should not be not the same standard and the effect has often been to let people off the hook for behavior that should be scandalous even though it wasn’t actually a crime.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: Not many of us would welcome the kind of intense scrutiny into our lives that Mayor Zimmer is about to receive.
    I personally am the only income stream for a small child. And I’m not wealthy so I need to work. The reason(s) I post comments here is because there is a level of pseudonymous/anonymity and that any or all of it could be sheer fantasy.
    A personal journal, on the other hand.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
    I’m not suggesting that if the US Atty decides not to file charges against Christie, there is no scandal. There is most certainly a scandal going on right now. But if the evidence can’t secure a conviction against Christie, the US Atty holds fire and Christie gets to say nothing was proven against him, even if he did let his staff run wild and terrorise Democratic mayors. Then it’s at least theoretically possible that this scandal will eventually fade out enough to let him run for president.

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    Alex S. says:


    Dawn is such a porn star name.

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    JenJen says:

    @Corner Stone: That segment was priceless, especially the part where Mika told Steve Kornacki, “Let me finish!” and a puzzled Kornacki replied, “I didn’t say anything.”

    I don’t know how Kornacki goes on that show and keeps a straight face.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Zimmer mentioned her journal in the first place, then volunteered to turn it over to the US attorney, so she must have decided she was okay with whatever scrutiny it might bring her.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: I’m not sure why we’re arguing, or whatever it is we’re doing, on this.
    I personally believe she has never experienced what is going to happen to her. She may review her journal and determine those things are true, and fine.
    They will review that journal and destroy her.

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    Corner Stone says:

    If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that we will see Mayor Zimmer face a scrutiny the kind of which makes the Malkin Brigade salivate.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Corner Stone: Huh? Lots of people keep personal journals. Consultants and public office holders often keep business journals about their business dealings. (For example, I track email requests for changes in one easy to use document, updated daily, rather than hunting through email when needed.) These are separate documents.

    I can’t think of anything in my business journals that I would be loathe to show a client, because the journal content is all easy reference plus CMA re projects. Unless you have good reason to think there’s something terribly personal going on in Zimmer’s office journals, there’s no need for her to fear what they disclose, unless she failed to dot an i or cross a t, and the attack dogs will jump on that.

    But destroy her? With what?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Comrade Mary: Why are you mischaracterizing what we are discussing?
    Your business journal is not Mayor Zimmer’s personal journal.

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    Corner Stone says:

    People act like the rwnj’s need actual facts to use against people. They don’t. They went after a fucking 12yr old boy a couple years ago.
    They don’t give a shit about truth.
    They are going to go after her personally and as viciously as they can.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:
    I tend to agree with Comrade Mary: the mayor’s journal is probably a work journal, with nothing in it about her personal life. That she hasn’t been reluctant to show it to federal prosecutors suggests there’s nothing in it she feels a need to hide. I doubt the feds are going to release anything from it that’s irrelevant to their investigation.

    ETA: I don’t doubt Christie’s political allies are now strongly motivated to dig up whatever dirt they can on Zimmer, but I doubt that there is any of it to be found in that journal.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Corner Stone: OK, now I’ve found the link to that journal. She is indeed mixing personal impressions and professional records instead of keeping separate documents. Welp, let’s see how this works out.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Amir Khalid: CS linked to some excerpts here. It wasn’t what I was expecting.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Comrade Mary: On UP yesterday, the mayor said her entry about the lt. governor was preceded by a journal entry about her father, who had recently passed away, and was followed by a journal entry about how much she loves her husband.

    So this was not a business journal. It contained both personal and business entries. I don’t think that makes the journal less valuable, but I wanted to clarify.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Comrade Mary:
    You’re right, we don’t know what’s in the rest of the journal. But those four pages at the CNN link are work-related, except for the bit about Les Mis and her dad. I do see her personal take on things, more than one would expect in a work journal, but nothing that compromises her as mayor or as a person. We simply don’t know if there is, or is not, any such compromising content. So far, we have not had reason to think there is.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    We simply don’t know if there is, or is not, any such compromising content. So far, we have not had reason to think there is.

    I think I have done a poor job of making my point/contention. I don’t think she’s dirty. I don’t think she is even anything but as she appears.
    But that is irrelevant. That is a personal journal and if she talks about being in an emotional state, or recounts some detail that everyone experiences but can be sensationalized, they will use it to bring her down as a person.
    You act like we’re dealing with the truth and decency squad.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:

    That is a personal journal and if she talks about being in an emotional state, or recounts some detail that everyone experiences but can be sensationalized, they will use it to bring her down as a person.

    I think I haven’t made myself clear, either. I was speaking of things that could be made to embarrass Zimmer, however frivolous the basis. If she’s in New Jersey politics, I’d imagine she’s no wide-eyed innocent even if she has only just now been disillusioned about Christie. And she’s had a year to think this over, to consider what evidence she might come forwards with, without exposing herself to ridicule. Unless something comes up, I’d give her some credit for judgement on that score.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: She clearly was a wide-eyed innocent. She confesses to believe Gov Christie was somehow different than what she believed.
    And again, it doesn’t matter what she thinks is true or innocent. They tried to destroy the family of a 12yr old boy because of his kitchen countertops.
    They will do the same thing to her because they have to.
    Oh well, I am tired of explaining the viciousness we are dealing with. Believe as you like.

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    Fax Paladin says:

    @Corner Stone: “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” — attributed to Cardinal Richelieu

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    Ripley says:

    Er … what are the tenets of Mark Halperin?

    Fluff, lick finger & put it to the wind, pivot, fluff. Repeat as needed.

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    ChrisB says:

    The most ridiculous thing on Morning Joe this morning was Mika saying that Zimmer should have stood up to Christie and immediately called out Guadagno. Just the way Mika does every time Joe belittles her.

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    mai naem says:

    Mika and Ho remind me of the Dems right before Bill Clinton admitted to the Lewinsky affair. I don’t remember the exact period of time but there was a day or two when there were rumors of WJC admitting to the affair and there were many Dems who were like “No wayyyy, He would not be so stupid!.” I’m not talking about the impeachment, just the affair and I am not doing some false equivalency between a stupid affair and political retribution affecting the public. Mika and Ho are going to get the same egg on their face as the Dem affair deniers. I also am amazed when Joe just accepts GOP malfeasance as normal “everybody does it.” He said that about Bob McDonnell, Bob Ney, Abramoff, and Tom Delay. Really? Is this what you were doing in congress Ho?
    One last thing – I really like Dawn Zimmer. She comes across as one of those workhorse pols who are actually interested in getting stuff done for the public- not just showboating. Her body language in the Sat Kornacki interview was totally “I got nothing to hide.” I hope there are bigger things in her future. Sounds to me like she should be the head of the Port Authority. I was also impressed by the Fort Lee mayor.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I think I have done a poor job of making my point/contention.


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