While you chew over the utterances of some dumb redneck in Tim F’s last post, just remember that same-sex marriage is now legal in New Mexico. Haters gonna hate, especially when they’re losing.
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While you chew over the utterances of some dumb redneck in Tim F’s last post, just remember that same-sex marriage is now legal in New Mexico. Haters gonna hate, especially when they’re losing.
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liberal
Today or yesterday heard a segment on National Not Liberal Public Radio about some Prop 8-like haters planning to strike back against rules that allow transsexual students to e.g. choose which bathroom to use.
The Dangerman
I remember when the Duck Dynasty “Free Speechers” rushed to the defense of the Dixie Chicks….
…oh, wait. Nevermind. Carry on.
muricafukyea
Wonder how many posts we are going to get today about wr0ng way Cole’s
van down by the rivercar in the field.Villago Delenda Est
Good for New Mexico.
Here in Tracktown, some whiny Christianist shit was wailing about how “bullies” are changing the definition of marraige.
Villago Delenda Est
@The Dangerman:
The only people who take “political correctness” seriously are right wing asshats, and they are militant in their enforcement of it.
Zifnab25
Isn’t New Mexico the Vermont to Arizona’s New Hampshire?
No, wait. Nevermind. New Hampshire legalized same sex marriage, too.
MattF
@The Dangerman: Yeah, well. Those little girls were dissin’ the PRESIDENT in front of Yurpeens. Totally different.
Higgs Boson's Mate
I doubt that we’ve seen the worst of the RWNJs’ paroxysms. As dpm mentioned, they more they lose the more they froth. What’s worse, from their point of view, is that many of their own kids don’t give a damn about things like gay marriage or transgender individuals. That has to hurt and infuriate the nutters.
Racism , OTOH, seems to remain slightly more American than apple pie. The colorblind society that we thought was just on the horizon in 1964 remains on the horizon. Maybe someday though not in my lifetime.
Villago Delenda Est
@Higgs Boson’s Mate:
The colorblind society might come about as the melanin enhanced outnumber the melanin challenged, assuming of course that the melanin enhanced don’t do the obvious and announce that it’s payback time for the melanin challenged.
Which is what the melanin challenged fear. Which is why it is wise to start treating the melanin enhanced the way that you’d want to be treated. There’s that hippie Jesus guy again, fucking it up for his supposed “followers”.
Comrade Mary
OT but possibly of interest: the individual mandate has been delayed for people whose policies have been cancelled.
phoebes-in-santa fe
I live in Santa Fe and have several friends who will be getting married because of this ruling. It’s a happy day for marriage equality and equality-in-general.
Comrade Mary
(Oh, this was announced last night. Nevermind /litella )
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Villago Delenda Est:
Good points. The bigots are immune to reason and to reasonableness. They void their bowels when faced with a real threat.
rikyrah
Jim Stuart’s New Blog: Why So Many Cannot See Obama
Why can’t people see this man? Nancy LeTourneau, aka Smartypants, has just completed a three-part blog series very ably addressing this question (Part I, Part II, and Part III). She looks at three “lenses” that cloud the perception of many: The Racial Lens – Few of us are able to acknowledge our Racial Lens; and because we can’t, we endlessly generalize about the strengths and weaknesses of another ethnic group or race. We may even think we really like Blacks, or Asians, or Latinos, but as long as the ethnic character of the individual is what we see first, then we look through a Racial Lens. It’s not a Person we see first; it’s a Black….person. If we can admit to ourselves that we do wear, albeit unconsciously, a Racial Lens, we can then notice what generalizations spring unproven from this lens. The two Nancy points to are competence and luck. Obama is always demonstrating incompetence, or he’s about to. And when a success is achieved, it’s luck.
What I would like to add to Nancy’s outstanding conversation is this: lenses are largely developmental. As we grow and develop, they change. Following the works and model of Ken Wilber, let me posit five developmental levels, each succeeding level representing a higher level of consciousness and awareness: Integral ( the self-transforming self; the mind sees patterns and thinks holistically; many perspectives can be internalized and held in awareness; paradox is seen as something to embrace, to engage – as a gateway to learning and truth. Obama is an integral leader. Large numbers of people at each of the prior levels cannot truly “see” him
http://jimstuartnewblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/why-so-many-cannot-see-obama.html
Linda Featheringill
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yup.
FSM knows that I’d hate to be held responsible for all the things my parents did, let alone the rest of the family.
But no black person has ever challenged me on that subject.
Comrade Jake
I posted about this last night in one of the open threads. A teacher was forced to resign from my nephew’s Catholic school outside Seattle this week because he got married to another man. I suspect the story is about to become national news if it isn’t already:
http://gawker.com/students-shut-down-school-after-gay-vice-principal-forc-1487164031
The students held a massive sit-in to protest the decision.
The administration knew he was gay when they hired him, but asked him to sign a contract saying he wouldn’t get married to another man. It’s OK to be gay, you see, just not too gay.
Villago Delenda Est
@Comrade Jake:
From what I understand, the Archdiocese of Seattle made the call on firing him, once they found out about the marriage.
jl
@rikyrah: I love the pic at to the top of that blog. The ‘lenses’ topic is over my head. Not sure what lens I use. I think of Obama and Clinton as, ideologically, especially in economics, quite similar. Obama less likely to go ‘all in’ on the failed Washington Consusensus economic policy, so likely to do less damage. Thankfully, Obama is more disciplined in politics and personal life, and may get more accomplished. I guess I view both through the ‘updated moderate conservative Eisenhower lens’.
Edit: which is OK. You do politics with the leaders that can get elected, not the leaders you wish can get elected.
@Linda Featheringill:
I think that’s about right. Brings to mind, again, the bearded WV voter gent who said in a 2008 interview, that he faygured the whayet mayn kep the black man down fer so long, that Obammer’d put the black man owan top and opprayss th’ Whaytes. Which I thought was nuts, but what he said is probably common thinking among a certain section of fair minded bigots with a modicum of class consciousness.
Comrade Jake
@Villago Delenda Est:
That’s what the administration is saying, but what I posted is also true.
Suffern ACE
@Comrade Mary: Yeah, that doesn’t make sense. I would think from an administrative standpoint, one would want to have as few categories of uninsured as possible. Differentiating between those who once had policies and now don’t and those who did not doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Uninsured are uninsured.
But people are still going to lose insurance. If I lose my job, my insurance goes with that. The period between the time I have to buy a new plan if I don’t find a job with an employer who offers a plan before the mandate requires me to buy insurance is probably relevant here. As long as the people with cancelled plans are being treated the same as those who lose coverage at unemployment, I’m not going to get upset about the change..
dexwood
Yep, good for NM. There are already narrow minded legislators talking about challenges. One wants to float a constitutional amendment specifically outlawing same sex marriage. Dumb bastard. Like we don’t have a boatload of way more important problems to work on.
rikyrah
Laurel Snyder: A Rant On Why You Need Decent Health Insurance
Let’s say you have a family of four, and you need to decide whether to pay for a dental plan, and the plan will cost an extra $150 a month. Does that sound like a lot to you? The plan will cover basic checkups twice a year, or about 85 percent of the cost for them. It will cover 50 percent of major dental work. So… $150 a month is $1800 a year. That’s a lot, yeah. And you still have to pay for some stuff. Ugh. But as a parent I assume you plan to go for visits twice a year, right? Because you know that good dental care is something kids need to develop, right? And modeling that care yourself is the best way to teach them? And you also know that preventative care of your teeth can help with things like heart disease? Now– all you have to do is have one procedure a year among the four of you that costs $600, and your dental coverage has paid for itself. Right? One kid with a cracked tooth. One root canal. Maybe two and a half small fillings on regular teeth. Or an irrigation for gum issues.
http://laurelsnyder.com/?p=2166
Suffern ACE
@Comrade Jake: I think the principals of both my junior high and high school used the management tactic of being the nice guys and letting the VPs be the disciplinarians. The notion of a popular vice principal is alien to me.
liberal
@rikyrah:
(a) I’m sure there are lots of families of 4 for whom $1,800/yr is a nonstarter, absent subsidies.
(b) The point about risk is well-taken, but as usual with these things, you need to know the probabilities. If they’re low enough, it’s not worth insuring against. Probably not the case here, but…
Violet
@Suffern ACE: Man, me too. The VPs were the ones wielding the paddles. Literally. I had to go to the VP’s office once and remember seeing that paddle hanging behind the desk.
ranchandsyrup
Land of Enchantment, indeed.
Not a fan of “haters gonna hate” in any context. It’s a great to excuse your own behavior (agency!). That context doesn’t apply here, though.
Corner Stone
Man, am I confused. In the previous thread where we were castigating the Duck guy, we also had a righteous time hatin’ on the white gay men for being racist bigots.
Now we’re celebratin’ their equality and shit?
WaterGIrl
paging ruemara …
sparrow
@jl: I am only reminded of Obama’s skin color when I can’t figure out why someone is having a detached-from-reality reaction to him. Then I’m like oh right, this is about being black…
Myself, as a scientist, I’ve always seen him as a fellow academic. Kind of a nerd maybe, though obviously a man with a lot of self control. But more like someone I would like to see as one of my colleagues and less as a politician than most. Honestly this was what drove me to Obama over Hillary on some level. But who knows how much of that is what the man really is?
Villago Delenda Est
@Corner Stone:
Um, I don’t think the Duck Dynasty boys are gay.
If they were, they wouldn’t be wingtard heroes right now.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Comrade Jake:
This is why I don’t freak out too much about our political future — us adults are screwing things up right and left, but the kids are all right.
I also find it fascinating that apparently the official stance of the Archdiocese of Seattle is that gay people should live in sin rather than get legally married. Aren’t they encouraging and enabling sin with that stand?
@liberal:
Part of the problem is that people look only at the short-term probability but not the long-term. I went without dental care for a long time. My teeth are in okay shape despite it, but I’ve now had five (5) root canals. So I saved money in the short term, only to have to spend a lot MORE money in the long term. An ounce of prevention, etc.
Jay C
@Comrade Jake: @Villago Delenda Est:
I can understand why the students and everyone else are upset: this guy sounds like the sort of talented administrator any school anyway should be thankful to have on staff (even the Archdiocese seemed to admit as much) – but it’s hard to see where he really has much of a case. Discriminatory and unjust as Mark Zmuda’s firing was; it’s not like he didn’t know the rules: like it or not, a religious denomination (like the Roman Catholic Church) which directly runs an educational institution (like a “Catholic School”) ought to have the right to enforce its doctrinal constraints on its employees. It sucks, sometimes, but that’s the flipside of Freedom Of Religion….
However, a more salient issue will arise when this happens (as it invariably will, and probably soon) to a legally-married gay teacher/administrator in a public school…
Omnes Omnibus
@Jay C: One could easily make an argument that a clause in a contract that prevents a person from entering into a legal marriage is against public policy and thus void.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Jay C:
You realize that you just argued in favor of Catholic hospitals being allowed to let women who need medically-indicated abortions die, right? After all, the hospital’s employees are just following the doctrinal restraints put on them by the Church.
And that’s leaving aside that you’re arguing in favor of denying contraception coverage to employees of Catholic universities and hospitals. If that Hindu radiologist didn’t want to be forced to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, she shouldn’t have taken the job.
bd of mn
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): I’m pretty sure that being an employee is legally an entirely different thing than being a patient…
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
Utah as well, evidently?