You Know Who Else Was Time’s “Man of the Year”?

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Glenn Greenwald, the purveyor of leaked NSA documents who is universally beloved by each and every Balloon Juice commenter, sounds peeved that Snowden didn’t get Time’s “Man of the Year” cover, which went to SQUEEE! Hippie Pope instead:

“…Snowden is clearly, by far, the person who has most influenced this year’s news events. If it were a serious magazine with minimally brave editors, then of course Snowden would have been chosen, but I never expected him to be precisely because that’s not what TIME is.”

On the other hand, maybe not?

“I don’t begrudge the choice of Pope Francis: some of his pronouncements are impressive with the potential to achieve real change.”

But yeah, no:

“It’s a meaningless award from a meaningless magazine, designed to achieve the impossible: to make TIME relevant and interesting for a few fleeting moments.”

And such small portions!

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187 replies
  1. 1
    lol chikinburd says:

    Area Man Enraged World Doesn’t Revolve Around Him

  2. 2

    Greenwald’s motto seems to be, why say some thing in one one sentence when you could do the same in ten paragraphs.

  3. 3
    jl says:

    The Kardashian ladies drove lots of news events too. What about them? Sexist much, Times?

  4. 4
    SarahT says:

    Oh for chrissakes – cry me a fuckin’ river, Glenn Greenwald. What an asshole. Sheesh.

  5. 5
    piratedan says:

    why is this a big deal, yesterday who’s shaking who’s hand and selfie outrage to this? I demand a better media!

  6. 6
    Anton Sirius says:

    G-Dawg is totally correct. No one affected more news cycles than he did… err, I mean, Snowden did this year.

    Of course, the pope’s actually affecting lives and stuff, but that’s way less important than click-throughs and headlines, amirite?

  7. 7
    Chyron HR says:

    So much for, “It’s not about Snowden.”

  8. 8
    JR says:

    “And such small portions!” may be the perfect commentary on Greenwald’s rant. Very succinct.

    Nicely played.

  9. 9
    SarahT says:

    “And such small portions!” – Love love love that joke !

  10. 10
    David Hunt says:

    I heard on the news today when they announced that the Pope had gotten the nod from Time, that Snowden was a close contender. I can’t predict if that makes the whole better or worse from Greenwald’s prespective.

  11. 11
    Anton Sirius says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: WWHND? (What Would Hemingway Not Do?)

  12. 12
    Belafon says:

    It’s a meaningless award from a meaningless magazine, designed to achieve the impossible: to make TIME relevant and interesting for a few fleeting moments.

    Did he just figure this out in 2013? I would have made that statement had Time voted for me.

  13. 13
    beth says:

    Oooh the grapes are sour today.

  14. 14
    jl says:

    @Belafon:

    ” t’s a meaningless award from a meaningless magazine, designed to achieve the impossible: to make TIME relevant and interesting for a few fleeting moments. ”

    Greenwald’s sour grapes led him to an insight, an ‘ah-hah’ moment.

    I wish Time had stuck with the gimmicks, like the mirror cover that announced ‘YOU!’ were the person of the year. That would be exciting.

  15. 15
    RaflW says:

    And such small portions!

    Pitch-perfect.

  16. 16
    MattF says:

    @Belafon: It’s self-trolling. Ms. Cracker barely had to lift a finger.

  17. 17
    Ripley says:

    I heard on the news today when they announced that the Pope had gotten the nod from Time, that Snowden was a close contender.

    Almost Person of the Year. Has a nice ring to it.

  18. 18
    Paul in KY says:

    @jl: I have that on my resume ‘selected Times person of the Year for 2009’ (or whatever year that was).

  19. 19
    kc says:

    And such small portions

    Ha, perfect!

  20. 20
    different-church-lady says:

    He is a loathsome, offensive brute… yet I can’t look away!

  21. 21
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Shit, the glibertarian asswipe is whining almost as loudly about this as Darth Cheney.

    Fuck him, and fuck dudebro Snowden.

  22. 22
    Bargal20 says:

    Time Magazine is still a thing?

  23. 23
    p.a. says:

    Maybe there’s an incentive clause in his contract for sponsoring MoY, being tracked by interpol, etc?

  24. 24
    eric says:

    Bless his heart. over/under: 323 posts

  25. 25

    @jl: Or they could have selected Mechanized Intelligence, which David Brooks thinks is taking over the world.

  26. 26
    scav says:

    Those are my small, meaningless sour grapes, mine mine all mine!! For it is I who am to be made appear relevant and interesting for a few fleeting moments! Not the subject of said leaks but Me and my trained leaky kitten and boyfriend! I’m ready for my Cover!

  27. 27

    @Bargal20: You have to read something while you are waiting at the dentist’s.

  28. 28
    nate says:

    What has Pope Francis actually accomplished? A bunch of nice talk, but where are the changes in church policy?

    Big fucking deal. I have to agree with Greenwald, when it comes to actually changing the world in 2013, Snowden is a far better choice.

  29. 29
    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    Water Wet, Cubs Lose, Libertarian Cries ‘But What About Me!?’

  30. 30
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    All this “me me ME” crap fits the glibertarian stereotype to a tee.

    I add my praise to that already expressed on Betty’s parting shot, which needs a visa to enter South America by now.

  31. 31
    scav says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Something other than Goofus & Gallant?

  32. 32
    clone12 says:

    Glen Greenwald: never has there been another person where I more want to throttle someone whom I agree with. Maybe other than Richard Dawkin.

    Also, is there a portmanteau for sore loser/sour grape? Because if you pull off that two-for-one deal you should at least be recognize for it.

  33. 33
    El Caganer says:

    Well, maybe Snowden would have been a better choice; I don’t know. Though it’s a bit rich for Greenwald to be grousing about it, since he’s not exactly a disinterested party.

  34. 34
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @nate:

    Stone this heretic! Stone him!

  35. 35
    EconWatcher says:

    @nate:

    Well, the Church has pretty definitively decided not to let the Neapolitan mafia launder money any more through the Vatican Bank, so you have to give them that. (The Financial Times did an amazing article on this a few days ago.)

    More seriously, the main effect of the Pope on the non-Catholic world (and pretty much the Catholic world too) is through rhetoric, so a change in rhetoric is a change in substance.

  36. 36
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @nate:

    Stone this heretic! Stone him!

    @scav:

    “Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close up!”

  37. 37
    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    Also, I forgot what year TIME’s infamous issue came out, so I clicked the image to get a better look. I didn’t get one, but I did get Betty’s upload name: hitler-time

    Now I have mental images of Der Fuhrer hopping around in parachute liederhosen.

  38. 38
    different-church-lady says:

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    parachute liederhosen

    Band name if I’ve ever heard one.

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  40. 40
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    Can’t touch this!

  41. 41
    Feudalism Now! says:

    Snowmen? Who is this Snowden character? Is he that tech support guy up in Siberia?
    Dear lord, Herr Greenwald’s shorts are in quite the bunch over this. Thank goodness the power of the information that Snowden released has overshadowed the tacky histrionics and soap opera of the participants. Oh wait…

  42. 42
    Elizabelle says:

    News flash:

    Hitler’s dog made the cover of Time’s Person of the Year.

    ETA: Glenn Greenwald. Not so much.

  43. 43
    cleek says:

    @nate:
    what has Snowden changed?

    the ‘conversation’? BFD

  44. 44
    Betty Cracker says:

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    Now I have mental images of Der Fuhrer hopping around in parachute liederhosen.

    LMAO! I believe it was 1939?

  45. 45
    scav says:

    @EconWatcher: Well, and I’m not sure the legislative, enacted and enforced changes post Snowden (et al) attain much beyond vaporware sound and fury status either. In terms of “news” driving, the screaming purified sizzle is to preferred to actual, usually compromised, accomplishment.

  46. 46
    Jay C says:

    Sorry, Glenn: sour grapes make for bitter w(h)ine….

  47. 47
    nate says:

    Get back to me when the church changes its doctrine on women, on contraceptives, on homosexuals. When they stop protecting pedophile priests. When Francis puts the smack down on Timothy Dolan.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m as pleased as anyone that Francis has more progressive rhetoric coming out of his mouth, but I don’t see it changing anything in 2013.

  48. 48
    Mike in NC says:

    Well, Christ. At least they didn’t pick George Zimmerman.

  49. 49
    Suffern ACE says:

    Ah, the age old debate. Is GG’s trolling post a parody or is it a satire. I’ll go with satire.

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  51. 51
    catclub says:

    @different-church-lady: also, pair a cute liederhosen

    Lieder is a song, right? Song pants??

  52. 52
    Mandalay says:

    @clone12:

    Maybe other than Richard Dawkin.

    What does Dawkins say or do that gets to you so badly?

  53. 53
    Librarian says:

    That’s not the actual man of the year cover, this was: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/.....Cover.html

  54. 54
    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    @nate: So, uh, what has Snowden changed in 2013? If Snowden ‘started the conversation’ shouldn’t Francis get the same credit for starting the conversation on reforming the Catholic Church?

  55. 55
    low-tech cyclist says:

    Time Magazine threw their supposed POY standards under the bus in 2001, when they made Giuliani their POY instead of Osama bin Laden. They’d had more guts back in 1979, when the Ayatollah Khomeini was their MOY. (Ditto way earlier, when Hitler was their MOY.)

    At this late date, who the fuck cares what Time, Inc. thinks about such things?

  56. 56
    Joel says:

    Greenwald is the male Camille Paglia.

    Discuss.

  57. 57
    Alex S. says:

    @nate:

    What has Snowden actually accomplished? Are there any US policy changes?

  58. 58
    MikeJake says:

    Jay Rosen and Jeremy Scahill scoffed at the choice on Twitter as well.

    Always Be Hyping.

  59. 59
    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader says:

    Haven’t seen it reported on the conservative sites but apparently Obama flew a war criminal down to South Africa in Air Force One.

  60. 60
    eric says:

    @Joel: I thought Camille Paglia was the male Camille Paglia. my bad

  61. 61
    Mandalay says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    Is GG’s trolling post a parody or is it a satire. I’ll go with satire.

    It was a carefully designed attack on Time. Hoo-ha over Snowden and Pope Francis was just a pretext for that.

  62. 62
    Suffern ACE says:

    Does sexiest man alive count as a consolation prize? People is after all Time’s more profitable sister.

  63. 63
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @jl: I never understood the Kardashians thing until someone online pointed out that they were courtesans. There have been periods in history where courtesans achieved fortune and no little fame. It just seems weird to those of us born into the end of the American Century when there was still a large middle class. But most periods in history had a high GINI index (and a great deal of misery) just like America today.

  64. 64
    Trollhattan says:

    Is there a Brazilian edition of Time? Maybe there’s still a chance!

    Being lectured by the Pompatus of LoveDouchery is bad enough, but being lectured from another hemisphere reduces it to pure comedy.

    And since the wingnuttosphere has just in the last week codified WHY Pope Frank is the Worst Thing, Evah and are issuing their talking points hourly, this is actually a lovely thumb in their eyes. Thanks, Irrelevant “Time”!

  65. 65
    Joey Maloney says:

    @Jay C: Bitter w(h)ine has bitter dregs. http://youtu.be/M6tJQ05YJ58

  66. 66
    fka AWS says:

    What a tiny, tiny man.

    And by huffing and puffing, he just sends more traffic Time’s way.

  67. 67
    handsmile says:

    I’ll leave it to the savvy for the ritual thwacking of the Greenwald pinata, but of more interest to me is that the actual winner of Time’s “Person of the Year” poll was Egyptian defense minister Abdul Fattah Al-Sisi.

    http://poy.time.com/2013/12/06.....year-poll/

    The general wrecked Miley Cyrus’s candidacy, but she twerked perennial front-runner, Turkish prime minister Recip Tayyip Erdogan, who had won the poll for the past two years at least.

    Time magazine may be little more than a bad joke to us illuminati, but evidently it still carries some clout among international readers. (I am aware that Time’s august editors are not bound by the results of the readers’ poll.)

  68. 68
    Chris says:

    “It’s a meaningless award from a meaningless magazine, designed to achieve the impossible: to make TIME relevant and interesting for a few fleeting moments.”

    As I think to myself every time I hear a rejected guy assure everyone around him that he never was interested in the bitch anyway…

    then why do you care?

  69. 69
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @EconWatcher: Never dismiss rhetoric (in other words, I agree with you). If GW Bush, who had a racially diverse cabinet, etc, had said one word during the Summer of Hate (2010) he could have put a halt to a lot of the runaway anti-Muslim bullshit (and of course also diminished the Tea Party turnout that fall, which is why he was a moral coward and stayed mum) and quite possibly also slowed or diminished the GOP’s slide into the white supremacist party. But he said nothing, the crazies went crazy, and Obama picked up more of the non-white vote than ever in 2012, and there’s no sign of the crazy stopping. You know, some of it would have happened anyway. But I was disgusted that Bush, after all that happy talk for 8 years and after you genuinely forging a bit of a different path than some other Republicans before him, let the xenophobic rage boil over.

  70. 70
    MikeJ says:

    @Chris: Time told him they were lesbians.

  71. 71
    Chris says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    How would anything Bush said have made a difference in 2010? He was over the hill by then, and the teabaggers were busy either forgetting he ever existed, or saying that he’d been a liberal RINO all along. If anything, his coming out against the Summer Of Hate would’ve only encouraged them to scream “see! SEE! We TOLD you he was a liberal all along!” and hate louder.

  72. 72
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Librarian: Wow. Good on TIME.

  73. 73
    Karen in GA says:

    Look, it’s understandable that Greenwald is upset at being rebuffed by this august institution. Another of Time’s Clickbait Person of the Year finalists was Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus, ladies and gentlemen. If that doesn’t scream credibility and integrity while wearing next to nothing and rubbing a foam finger in the crotch of Alan Thicke’s slightly less talented kid, I don’t know what does.

    UPDATE I: I can see why Greenwald is so upset about this.

    UPDATE II: Well, along with the fact that “upset” is kind of his default state.

    UPDATE III: A møøse once bit my sister.

  74. 74
    The Other Chuck says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Nicht berühren können diese!

  75. 75
    Chris says:

    @Karen in GA:

    The people responsible for the updates have just been sacked…

  76. 76
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Chris: Not at that point. He still had a lot of clout in the party. Michael Steele was still RNC chair. Tea Party Express was still some superPAC sending angry pensioners to scream at congresscritters.

    The hate and racism from that side is so much more unbelievably worse than in was in 2010. For one thing, they had to cloak their hate under a veil of “m0000000slims! terrrrrrists! shariah law!” as if we’re all supposed to spook and hide under the bed. Whereas right now you can go online–even on major websites–and see dozens of antediluvians freaks sharing the bad news about how much they hate based on skin color. You know, the good old American pasttime. If you’re white. And an asshole.

  77. 77

    @Another Holocene Human: At least Bush is not on TV like Cheney inciting hate.

  78. 78
    Karen in GA says:

    @handsmile: Wow — “Miley Cyrus” and “august” in the same post twice in one thread (three if you count this one). Not even sure if it’s noteworthy, but in case it is, let’s note it, shall we?

  79. 79
    Mr. Longform says:

    “It’s a meaningless award …”

    It’s not an award! It’s a statement about who’s the biggest newsmaker of the year. Maybe not the pope, but it’s not a “congrats on the pope” thing. That’s why Hitler and the Ayatollah and YouTube and other unsavory characters have made the list.

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    Belafon says:

    @handsmile: And that may be because Time runs different, and in a lot of cases politically relevant, articles in other countries, especially as their cover stories. They have become irrelevant here because they do fluff pieces.

  81. 81
    Belafon says:

    @Karen in GA: Consider that the true point of the Person of the Year is to get people to talk about Time Magazine, Miley really would have done the trick.

  82. 82
    Another Holocene Human says:

    The TIME cover is 13 March 1933.

    The covers were basically people in the news. Not sure why they used a propaganda photo but they probably didn’t have access. You can see they got a nice arty photo for their Gertrude Stein cover:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....281930s%29

    Goering made TIME’s cover later that year. This guy was TIME’s MOY in 1933. You probably haven’t heard of him, but he helped prevent the US from turning into a fascist hell-hole like Germany.

  83. 83
    Yatsuno says:

    @Karen in GA: CURSE YOU FIVE MINUTE EDIT WINDOW!!!

  84. 84
    El Tiburon says:

    Happy Fucking Solstice Season. Don’t say I never gave you nuthin!

    Sing to the tune of “Rawhide”

    Trollin’ trollin’ trollin’

    Greenwald keeps blowing up
    Balloon Juice minions keep throwing up
    Keep them BJ trolls trolliing GREENWALD!
    Don’t even read him
    Just shriek and derp and dismiss him

    Move ’em on, head ’em up,
    Head ’em up, move ’em out,
    Move ’em on, head ’em out Greenwald!
    Set ’em out, ride ’em in
    Ride ’em in, let ’em out,
    Cut ’em out, ride ’em in Greenwald.

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Greenwald!

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    BJ front pagers need clicks
    BJ commenters can be dicks
    When Greenwald is the the main
    BJ goes totally insane
    No rational discourse or discussion
    only turds being tossed and toilets flushin’

    Move ’em on, head ’em up,
    Head ’em up, move ’em out,
    Move ’em on, head ’em out Greenwald!
    Set ’em out, ride ’em in
    Ride ’em in, let ’em out,
    Cut ’em out, ride ’em in Greenwald.

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Greenwald!

    Trollin’, Trollin, Trollin’
    Greenwald
    He broke one of the biggest storys lately
    Yet BJ front pagers and commenters squeal like babies
    He doesn’t blow Republicans or democrat pols
    This makes BJ lemmings act like ginormouos a-holes
    Greenwald is fighting against the man
    BJ commenters to scared to make a stand.

    Move ’em on, head ’em up,
    Head ’em up, move ’em out,
    Move ’em on, head ’em out Greenwald!
    Set ’em out, ride ’em in
    Ride ’em in, let ’em out,
    Cut ’em out, ride ’em in Greenwald.

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’
    Greenwald!

  85. 85
    Marc says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Adolf had to wait until 1938 to get the honors…

  86. 86
    JustRuss says:

    Classic. If there were a Greenwald parody contest, Greenwald would have just won.

  87. 87
    Mandalay says:

    @handsmile: Isn’t it possible that Sisi’s backer, Ahmed Abu Hashima, had a lot to do with him winning that Time poll? I get the impression – perhaps unfairly – that he is an Egyptian version of Donald Trump.

    OT: Some of the comments in your link are really interesting.

    Really OT: Abu Hashima’s wife is just stunning.

  88. 88
    Marc says:

    @El Tiburon: Come clean Glenn. You can really post under your own name. No one else could possibly be such a bootlicker.

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    catclub says:

    @Another Holocene Human: ” This guy was TIME’s MOY in 1933. You probably haven’t heard of him, but he helped prevent the US from turning into a fascist hell-hole like Germany. ”

    Smedley Butler? I have heard of him.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Belafon: Overseas, I’m sure a lot of people pick up TIME to get a easy-reading English take on what America thinks about foreign affairs–kind of important when America’s got all those nukes and conventional firepower and dominant navy, & so on, & so forth. Not to mention the destructive power of Wall Street at our fingertips as well.

    In the US, TIME is read by elderly people who can still correct their vision enough with bifocals to read stale news but who don’t have a computer, or it is received by old people too sick or into dementia to figure out how to stop their subscription. It is also often read in waiting rooms, but not so much any more. I guess it’s too liberal for Galtian heroes like dentists and MD specialists. Today it is more the custom to point a TV over the waiting room and have it blare FOX 24/7.

    At a certain municipal workplace’s nurse’s station they have a twist on this: not FOX, CNBC.

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    NotMax says:

    Black Friday, my aunt Fanny.

    It isn’t officially the holiday season until someone mentions Hitler and Time magazine in the same sentence.

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    El Tiburon says:

    @Marc: Please. Nobody, and I mean nobody, would ever claim that sorry piece of satire but El Tiburon!

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    handsmile says:

    @Karen in GA:

    We shall. Hi-brow, lo-brow, the BJ commentariat: “[We] contain multitudes.”

    @Belafon:

    Thanks, while I was aware of Time’s multiple international editions, I did not know news coverage/analysis in those editions was any more sophisticated or “politically relevant.” How do you come to know this? (a sincere, snark-free question, btw)

  94. 94
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @catclub: I said helped– I mean, that guy helped too, but without changes to the masses’ real, material circumstances, stopping one coup would mean nothing.

    If that dude had succeeded in assassinating Hitler, do you think that would have meant the immediate, decisive end to the Nazi terror? Really depends what would have happened next, right? And The White Rose tried to spark a student uprising a few years later and was executed for their troubles. Even with thousands of Communists out of prison the best they accomplished was sabotage and hiding Jews.

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    Violet says:

    @NotMax: Re: Black Friday. Just returned from the UK where I went to a gaming store to buy a gift card for someone for a Christmas present. They had banners saying, “Black Friday specials” with various videogames and prices listed. Couldn’t believe it. I wonder if they even know what Black Friday is? They don’t celebrate Thanksgiving.

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    jl says:

    @catclub: The photo in question was of General Hugh Johnson, one of the people Smedley Butler named in the Businessman’s Plot.

    Which reminds, me to say that I think Rand Paul has the stuff of a future Time’s Person of the Year.

    Rand Paul Cites ‘Popeye’ To Explain Why He Opposes Budget Deal
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....udget-deal

    Using a line from an old “Popeye” comic, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Wednesday that the newly reached budget agreement was like paying “Tuesday for a hamburger today.”

    Paul attributed the “hamburger” line to to the “Popeye” character J. Wellington Wimpy in a footnote. Paul said his office would footnote speeches and op-eds “like college papers” after he was accused of plagiarizing material from several sources.

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    Belafon says:

    @handsmile: I will have to go dig, but every so often Daily Kos (yes, them) will have a post about Time and Newsweek US News covers, comparing the US versions to the rest of the world.

    ETA: Here’s the DK diary.

    ETA2: I should also add that I’m not going to claim that what they write abroad is awesome, but considering the examples, it’s easy to tell why they’re not really relevant here.

  98. 98
    El Tiburon says:

    And of course there is this. Yet it’s only Greenwald who gets pointed at by all the cool kids at BJ.

    Time Criticized For Choosing Pope Francis Over Edward Snowden As Person Of The Year

    Snowden was undeniably a figure of major consequence during the year, as Time itself acknowledged in its piece on him. In the months since the Guardian published the first round of revelations from the documents Snowden leaked, newspapers and websites in countries around the world have run article after article detailing the stunning breadth and depth of the global surveillance networks tracking the movements of seemingly everyone on the globe.

    In the days leading up to Time’s unveiling of its decision, writers at rival publications began publicly lobbying for Snowden to be chosen. “No Contest: Edward Snowden Is Person Of The Year,” the New Yorker’s John Cassidy wrote:

    In opening the eyes of people around the world to how easy it is for governments to monitor digital communications, and to how complicit major technology companies have been in these surveillance programs, he sparked a long-overdue debate about how to preserve privacy in the information age—and whether such a thing is even possible. If Snowden hadn’t come forward, the steady encroachment of the surveillance state would have continued, and most people would have been none the wiser. Now Big Brother and his enablers have been rattled, and have been forced to be a bit more open.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Karen in GA: no realli

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    MikeJ says:

    @NotMax:

    Black Friday, my aunt Fanny.

    All night long, we would sing that stupid song and every word we sang I knew was true

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    Citizen_X says:

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    Now I have mental images of Der Fuhrer hopping around in parachute liederhosen.

    Well you have to admit, Hitler Don’t Hurt’Em makes more sense than the original.

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    eric says:

    given that Harry Reid went nuclear in a way that dramatically alters the way our government actually functions, might he not rank up there? all of this is sill, of course, but only college football coaches are so gauche to push their own teams in the press. Or Elizabeth Warren who single-handedly revived marxism in the united states, or so it appears from what “some say” in the press.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    A proper footnote would attribute Elzie Segar, the actual living person who created Wimpy and put the words in the fictional character’s mouth.

    BTW, Sen. Paul, Segar also is responsible for one of the definitions of the word ‘goon’ – a slow-witted bully,

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    JCJ says:

    @The Other Chuck:

    Schön. Sehr schön!

    Ich habe echt gelacht.

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    handsmile says:

    @Mandalay:

    Indeed possible, perhaps likely. A little digging about on the intertubes reveals that Hashima is the co-founder and chairman of the Egyptian Steel Corporation. Such an industry’s links to the Egyptian military regime would suggest that Hashima is a more formidable figure than the buffoonish Trump. And while he has his own hagiographic web page, no Wiki entry that I could find.

    As to “Really OT”: GULP! and Great News, Single Male BJ Readers! She’s his ex-wife! Here’s more info on the former Miss Lebanon contestant before you post on her Facebook page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa_Wehbe

    @Belafon:

    Thanks, I appreciate your disinterring that diary link!

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    Jebediah, RBG says:

    @handsmile:

    Turkish prime minister Recip Tayyip Erdogan

    Recip E.
    Oy.

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    cleek says:

    @El Tiburon:

    If Snowden hadn’t come forward, the steady encroachment of the surveillance state would have continued, and most people would have been none the wiser. Now Big Brother and his enablers have been rattled, and have been forced to be a bit more open.

    they’ll have to be “a bit more open” … ? how rattling! world changing, indeed.

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    That’s just sad.

    I mean, to think that, after he’s made such a big deal over Snowden, yes, I guess I can understand that; but to write it and broadcast it for the whole world to look at and snicker about his hurt feelings? What kind of person does that? Is his skin that thin that this stings him as badly as it seems to? And is his self awareness that stunted that he can’t tell how this comes across? Weird…

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    Marc says:

    @eric: Comrade Bill and the new Socialist paradise of Novy York should clearly be the winner.

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    Chris says:

    @jl:

    The entire story of the Business Plot always seemed weird as hell to me, because if a business cartel were plotting a coup to preserve their status in the United States, why, of all the people in America, would they have reached out to Smedley Butler as the front man in their coup? The man made no secret of his utter contempt for them and their control over the United States’ affairs.

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    piratedan says:

    @cleek: guess he’s never seen the film The Anderson Tapes

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    burnspbesq says:

    Fuck off, Glenn. When you stop aiding and abetting felons, I will resume taking you somewhat seriously.

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    nastybrutishntall says:

    sour grapes = shitty whine

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    Kay says:

    I think the commie pope is a great choice, because he talks about income inequality.

    If nothing else it makes everyone horribly uncomfortable, and they feel they have to address it :)

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    Kay says:

    Although, if the Time article is the one I read (I can’t tell) they skate neatly past income inequality and onto broader “justice” so the pope may have to be blunter. I read something he said in Italy where he used the word “slaves”. He may have to hit ’em over the head with it. They’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @lol chikinburd: I’m just going to call Greenwald “Area Man” from now on. Thanks!

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    Chyron HR says:

    @El Tiburon:

    Greenwald and Snowden are the most important men of all time, of all time of the year! All must acknowledge their greatness!

    (P.S. Stop talking about them so much, you stupid Kool Kids!)

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    BGinCHI says:

    Nice marmot.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Kay:

    I think the commie pope is a great choice, because he talks about income inequality. If nothing else it makes everyone horribly uncomfortable, and they feel they have to address it :)

    Well you’re right that Republicans have addressed it, but I see no sign that their shameless pundits are remotely uncomfortable about the situation…

    Douthat: First, that when it comes to lifting the poor out of poverty, global capitalism, faults and all, has a better track record by far than any other system or approach.

    Limbaugh: “The pope is ripping capitalism, ripping trickledown economics, ripping America. And Obama is having an orgasm,”

    Palin: he’s had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me.

    Santorum: I think that what Pope Francis is doing really makes a lot of sense for Republicans, which is, ‘we don’t need to change what we believe in.’

    If you want some really good examples of cognitive dissonance then the rationalization of the Pope’s recent comments by Republicans makes a great case study. (But not as good as BJ threads on Snowden of course.)

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    handsmile says:

    Jesus wept! (no papal reference intended)

    From El Tiburon’s HuffPo link above (#98), I learn that pond scum/whale shit Ron Fournier (see yesterday’s dpm post on that subject) would have chosen Edward Snowden as Time POY.

    While he would have been my choice as well, now I’m fully behind Miley Cyrus!

    Also, has anyone heard from Bill Donohue? Or Ross Douthat for that matter? I would have to imagine that the selection of Francis would be most disconcerting. Why, even a satanic plot!

    ETA: Wrong again. The webpage of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights congratulates Francis on his selection. Another sin by this secular humanist (who should have checked first).

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Whereas right now you can go online–even on major websites–and see dozens of antediluvians freaks sharing the bad news about how much they hate based on skin color.

    You’ve been able to see that in any non-moderated comments section since the Internet became a public thing.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @handsmile: Snowden would not have been my choice, but, like you, Fournier’s endorsement of Snowden moves me firmly in Camp Miley.

    In all seriousness, a pope who strongly and publicly focuses in economic inequality and de-emphasizes sexual issues could have a major impact. Snowden was a viable candidate, but a focus on him is perhaps too US-centric.

    @El Tiburon: Get a grip.

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    Lynn Dee says:

    @JR:

    Agree! Made me smile.

    Plus it serves to remind us all: We’re all boomers or older.

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    agorabum says:

    @nate: What has Snowden actually done?
    He’s helped expose a lot of the details of the NSA spying…but the spying continues. I don’t see anyone in Congress passing laws about it. Don’t see any mass movements to denounce it. It was disclosed, the American people generally clucked their tongues in disapproval, and then didn’t give it much more thought. A survey of typical American reactions from 2000 to the present shows that is pretty standard, so I can’t say that it even revealed anything new about our character; just confirmation of the past.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    I see that a certain fowl is one of Greenwald’s heroes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Lynn Dee:

    We’re all boomers or older.

    Doubt it.

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    Chin up Glennnnnnnnnnn. This is good news for Rand Paul.

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    Lynn Dee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Okay fine. I stand corrected.

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    Mandalay says:

    @handsmile:

    GULP! and Great News, Single Male BJ Readers!

    Sadly, I think she must be carrying a gazillion tons of emotional baggage. From your link…

    Wehbe is a victim of parental alienation. In the 1990s, she married her cousin Nasr Fayyad when she was 18 and traveled with him to Nigeria where he worked. During her pregnancy, she returned to Lebanon and separated from her now ex-husband quoting marital problems. She had a daughter whose name is Zeinab Fayyad who also was a victim of parental alienation until she became an adult and continued to refuse to have any contact with her mother, even after she herself got married to Shaaban Reda Fawaz and had a child. Wehbe’s ex-husband and his mother have not allowed Wehbe any contact with Zainab. In Lebanon, it is customary that the father gets automatic full custody of the children.

    Wehbe has had no contact with her daughter since Zainab was one or two years old.

    Being drop dead gorgeous probably doesn’t seem very important when you constantly have to carry all of that in your head and your heart.

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    @Lynn Dee: Tough to speak in absolutes. You only have to change all to mostly. :) FWIW, seen Gen X, Y, & milennials on here.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ranchandsyrup: There are quite a few boomers and war babies who comment as well. I would guess (ever so scientifically that the average age of a commenter here is mid 40s.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Would be fitting that it’s the same age as our blog host. That reminds me to keep working on my script about a blogger that hates his commentariat.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s my guess too. Maybe I’ll do a survey someday. But people would just lie their asses off, wouldn’t they?

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    LAC says:

    Awww… so no picture of Snowden with the Chinless Fuck’s visage behind him on the cover of that “meaningless rag”? So meaningless to Greenwald that he has to vomit up some bile about how meaningless it is? It is eating him alive that Snowden isn’t on the cover and, that by extension, his sour chinless existence isn’t going to get the attention this week.

    No worries, when his new media empire rains down upon us like the hammer of Thor, we will be sorry and TIME will grovel at his feet to have him on the cover and ….
    scene.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You’re a Boomer, aren’t you? Right up against the line, just as I’m right up against the other side of it.

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    Kay says:

    @Mandalay:

    Palin: he’s had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me.

    Because she’s a moron and she never really listened to religious people. I don’t mean THEM. I’m talking about the general dialogue on income inequality.

    The pope makes it Big News, and they can’t dismiss him like they do the lady who works at Popeyes. Look, I know this will all turn out to be the fault of the dumb, lazy workers, but I’m enjoying this brief burst of populism while it lasts :)

    Go pope! Give ’em hell.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): Depends where you draw the line. Second half of 1964. So demographically, maybe. Culturally, not a bit. I am the elder child of young parents – parents just too old to be boomers themselves.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Mandalay: The “Nubian monkeys” thing is also concerning.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Kay: The official progressive position on religion in general, and Catholicism in particular, is as follows:

    Religion is a crutch for the weak-minded, and a tool of the oppressor.
    Insert obligatory Diderot quote about last king, last priest, guts, and strangling, here: [ ].
    Insert reference to perverts in skirts and little boys here: [ ].

    Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, that’s what I meant. ’64 was the last year of the Baby Boom- birth rates at or above the 1941 (in the US, anyway) levels.

    My parents were young, too. Dad’s a war baby (’45), while mom’s a Boomer. I was born in ’65, but a lot of the later Boomers’ cultural touchstones feel as if they’re mine, too, along with the early Gen X touchstones, like Sesame Street and Schoolhouse Rock.

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    soonergrunt says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Not even remotely. My mother was a boomer–one of the first, having been born in December, 1946. My dad was born 19 days after the war started in 1941.
    I’m the last of three. Sisters in ’65 and ’68, me in ’70.

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    Thlayli says:

    @catclub:

    Lieder is a song, right? Song pants??

    Heh. The correct spelling is lederhosen, leather pants.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @soonergrunt: First of two. I was ’64 and my brother ’71. My cultural identity is almost entirely Gen X.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @soonergrunt:

    Not old enough to remember Watergate. A true spring chicken!

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    chopper says:

    @LAC:

    ‘person of the year’ may be meaningless, but the extra exposure GG would bathe in wouldn’t.

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    @Lynn Dee: We are all curmudgeonly in spirit if not in age. After Tunch, Grumpy Cat is our patron saint.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    After Tunch, Grumpy Cat is our patron saint.

    No he’s not. It’s St. Yves for some of us. Or St. Barbara.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Grumpy Cat is a girl, or do you speak of the kitteh with the orange tail?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I had no idea that Grumpy Cat was a girl. I guess that just goes to show how far from a patron saint she is to me.

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    soonergrunt says:

    @chopper: It’s for certain that if Time had chosen Snowden, Greenwald would be singing a different tune, and using the recognition to attack anyone who didn’t acknowledge that Snowden –and by extension, Greenwald– is an Ubermensch.

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    Socoolsofresh says:

    Love that BJ commenter’s favorite traitor/grifter/nothingburger was runner up for man of the year. Love how all year the BJ authoritarian commenters shouted down anyone thinking that the issues Snowden was bringing up had any importance. Now all you guys get is some cheap snickers at GG expense while everyone else agrees Snowden had a major impact. Never have you guys been so wrong about something. And yet think that you are still right. Oh ya, but Time magazine jumped the shark 20 years ago, amirite? Just like how all you savvy dudes knew about widespread surveillance back in 2006.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Socoolsofresh:

    Yup, still a fucktard.

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    Socoolsofresh says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Ya, keep on thinking only dudebros care about online privacy. The cognitive dissonance, is so strong with you!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Socoolsofresh:

    I recognize the reality that online privacy exists the same way a secure computer exists…sealed in the original shipping container…and that’s not even a guarantee.

    When you speak of cognitive dissonance, you’re projecting like the octoplex down at the mall…probably a showing of Sneakers.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Socoolsofresh: Concern about online privacy doesn’t require that one see Snowden as the Man of the Year. Logic fail.

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    Socoolsofresh says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: All year you guys were trumpeting that Snowdens leaks meant nothing, weren’t surprising, nothing new. Now he almost wins man of the year, due to the immense influence his leaks has had on the world. You guys were completely wrong. And now all you guys have is to sputter about GG being a douchebag, like that even matters to him, as he starts up his new publishing company.

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    chopper says:

    @soonergrunt:

    hence the sour grapes. GG isn’t that hard a guy to figure out.

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    Thlayli says:

    “Socoolsofresh” = sockpuppet.

    Seriously, has anyone ever seen a post from this nym that isn’t an attack on someone for insufficient adoration of Saint Edward the Blower-of-Whistles?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Socoolsofresh: Who is this you guys? I have expressed concern about the NSA and the Fourth Amendment since the debate on passing the Patriot Act many years ago. I just don’t see Snowden as the “Man of the Year.” I don’t see how my interest in privacy requires that I be upset that Time picked the the pope rather than Snowden. That is the failure of logic on your part.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: Yes, that’s a creepy looking wolf in the background — red tongue and all.

    Perhaps Glenn could create an award at his new media outfit and give the first one to Snowden. That’s the ticket.

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    Socoolsofresh says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Never said I was upset he wasn’t picked. Just that its impressive that only the pope beat him out. I meant you guys as in you, botsplainer, chopper, lac, mynemo, cacti, et al. going on all year about Snowden not meaning much, just being this weird traitor/grifter. And then it was only the pope who beat him. I guess his leaks did have an impact then.

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    Socoolsofresh says:

    @Thlayli: Never called him a saint, just loved watching the sputtering for excuses on why Snowden/GG should be ignored, and then the failure to do so. I know GG called the bj commenters here authoritarian sheep a couple years ago, and thats why everyone here has such hate. But it’s funny watching you guys continue to prove him right.

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    @Socoolsofresh: I recall them saying that he wasn’t telling them anything that they didn’t know, not that it didn’t mean anything. there’s a difference.
    His leaks had a terrific media impact. Not (yet) on policy.

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    LAC says:

    @Socoolsofresh: and you managed to extract your head out of your ass for this- how sweet.

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    Medicine Man says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I wouldn’t pay too much attention, Omnes. Some people just get *really* uptight when they think their idols aren’t getting enough respect.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Socoolsofresh: Look Greenwald is a self-righteous polemicist who is incapable of doing the simple lawyer’s task of trying to understand the other side’s argument so that he can refute it. Snowden seems like a right-libertarian “knowledge wants to be free” guy. So I would say that neither is my cup of tea. OTOH, anyone who was paying attention when the Patriot Act passed cannot be surprised by a fucking thing in the Snowden-Greenwald leaks. I say let’s roll back the Patriot Act (and I’ve been saying since before it was enacted). Let’s put real limits on the government domestic surveillance powers. For example, nothing, not even metadata, without a warrant. And let’s make sure that there is enough supervision over foreign espionage effort that we don’t embarrass ourselves. Make sure the reward is worth the risk.

    @Medicine Man: I’m just a little bored waiting for a phone call.

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    El Tiburon says:

    @Socoolsofresh: Oh, I remember when I used to put up the good fight around re: Greenwald.

    Just go put your penis in a paper shredder; it will be more enjoyable and achieve more.

    These people around here are fucked up. BJ commenters, Charles Johnson at LGF and Bob Cesca have a major case of the brain farts. OTOH, credible pundits like Charles Pierce, the proprietor of this blog, and most of the rational universe understand the value of a hard-assed prick like Greenwald.

    Like ABL used to say: go fuck yourself in the face.

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    El Tiburon says:

    And by “go fuck yourself in the face” I was referring to the average BJ commenter.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @El Tiburon: You are really, really invested in Glenn, aren’t you?

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    debbie says:

    A different Glenn, Glenn Beck, is just as peeved Time didn’t choose Ted Cruz. Of course, he’s already very suspicious of the Pope’s Marxist tendencies.

    Francis may be safe for a while because Beck’s real focus at the moment is the destruction of Disney. When he took his family there last Christmas, he was very upset to see a small celebration of Kwanza. Look out, O’Reilly!

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    Cassidy says:

    The bukkake of the self-righteous. Gotta love Greenwald lickspittle.

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    NR says:

    @Cassidy: Looks to me like the only ones around here jerking off are the Obots.

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    Cassidy says:

    @NR: You must have gotten some in your eyes.

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    Medicine Man says:

    @NR: Just having a good laugh at the ‘tude on GG.

    It wouldn’t be a problem at all if Glenn’s valiant defenders could allow people to dislike him. It’s not that folks here don’t understand the utility of a “hard-assed prick” like Greenwald, it is just that some of us do not want to have to pretend that he is fair-minded, honest person just to placate his thin-skinned fan club, especially when even said fan club freely admits that his do-whatever-it takes style of advocacy is what they like about him in the first place. Give me a fucking break.

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    @Socoolsofresh:
    You do know they almost went with Miley Cyrus too, right?

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    Paula says:

    @jl:

    How old is GG?

    Christ, I’m sorry your buddy wasn’t crowned most popular in the high school yearbook.

    Because that’s about as relevant Time magazine is.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    And such small portions!

    That got a solid chuckle.

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    John Scotus says:

    So Greenwald is miffed that he wasn’t selected. Boo-hoo. He really has an exalted view of his own rather negligible importance.

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    Luke says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Odd of you to voice that complaint now, in response to a blog post about few succinct tweets of Greenwald’s.

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    Luke says:

    @Anton Sirius: Perhaps whiny and certainly indirectly self-aggrandizing, but Greenwald’s point is correct. That’s something people should be able to agree on regardless of how they feel about the legality/morality of Snowden’s leaks.

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    Chris says:

    @Mandalay:

    First, that when it comes to lifting the poor out of poverty, global capitalism, faults and all, has a better track record by far than any other system or approach.

    Only if you define it as vaguely as “global capitalism” can you get away with that. What kind of capitalism are we talking about? The mixed economy model with strong doses of free trade and government intervention to supplement it, help it along and direct it in the spheres where The Market alone wasn’t going to do anythingis one thing, the hands-off, free for all, let-the-market-fix-everything approach that became gospel with Thatcher and Reagan is another. If you’d like to compare the results, compare the Asian/Pacific nations that emerged as small powerhouses in the seventies with the disastrous deregulation that occurred in the former Soviet Union and Latin America during the nineties. Our capitalism has “a better track record by far” than your capitalism, and it’s also a lot closer to what the Pope is preaching.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @nate:

    What has Pope Francis actually accomplished? A bunch of nice talk, but where are the changes in church policy?

    Big fucking deal. I have to agree with Greenwald, when it comes to actually changing the world in 2013, Snowden is a far better choice.

    Looks here like someone’s jimmies got rustled.

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    kyle says:

    All arguments about policy etc. aside, Betty Cracker wrote a damn funny and incisive post. Way to go!

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    LAC says:

    @NR: Can you see that through the greenwald acolyte jizzing? While it is useless, I hear it is pretty thick.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @El Tiburon: Good one!

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    slippy says:

    Glenn Greenwald, your fucking 15 minutes are up.

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    NR says:

    @Medicine Man: I have no problem with people disliking Greenwald. But the vitriolic hate for and obsession with the man that some people around here have, borders on the pathological.

    And to claim he’s somehow unfair is ridiculous. He spent years criticizing Bush for doing the exact same kinds of things Obama is doing.

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