Sunday Sermon Open Thread


Apart from the whole ‘impulse control’question, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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    me says:


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    scav says:

    Money over Morals, sanctified by Scripture (so long as one of the pre-saved tribe — all others prepare for stoning). They do run true to type no matter which country they infest.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    If, having said that to Rob Ford’s doubters, you then said to him, “Now go, and sin no more”, could you count on him to listen?

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    Just curious: is Mayor Ford’s “fiscal responsibility” actual fiscal responsibility, or just cutting taxes?

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    Baud says:

    While My shining-greatness is passing by, I will put you in the large crack of the rock.–Exodus 33:22 (NLV)

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    Baud says:

    Do not get drunk with wine. That leads to wild living.–Ephesians 5:18 (NLV)

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    BGinCHI says:

    If you kick the poors, there is literally nothing you cannot do.


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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    Mammon worshiping heretical scum.

    Wipe them out. All of them.

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    muddy says:

    I’m having the most remarkable experience. Watching Nature that the HD dvr got the other day. Wearing my new glasses. Holy shit! It’s almost 3D. I had no idea. The dark side of the coin was that I found my house was not so clean as I had thought.

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    scav says:

    And these will be the same upright preachers fulminating about the need to drug test before giving public assistance or housing, in order that their righteous dollars not be “given” to the undeserving, unchaste, violent and drug-addled.

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    Ferdzy says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Why do you even need to ask? He spends money like a drunken sailor, of course, while claiming to cut taxes. I’m pretty sure he isn’t actually.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    So now you have a choice:
    (a) clean your house.
    (b) put on your old glasses.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    That’s the City of Toronto’s official logo on that billboard. I’m somewhat shocked that they spent public money on this, complete with a quote from the Xian scripture. Yes, I know Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms has no establishment clause per se, but this billboard really does seem like a big municipal “fuck you” to Torontonians.

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Kind of like the choice between Democrats and Republicans, ain’t it?

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    Redshift says:

    I spent the afternoon knocking on doors of provisional-ballot voters here in Fairfax, telling them that the rules had been changed since they voted and they now had to come to the government center in person today or tomorrow is they wanted their vote to be counted. Definitely the most retail electioneering I’ve ever done. The unofficial reports of the vote counts have been swinging around, but the AG race is definitely within a hundred votes out of more than two million votes statewide.

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    Baud says:


    Jesus. Thank you. I hope your efforts pays off, and I hope the voters you spoke too will be lifelong Democrats because of this.

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    Mike G says:

    There’s nothing too sleazy a right-wing politician can do that his bible-thumper followers won’t exploit scripture to defend him.
    Republican Jesus lives on, even north of the border.

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    muddy says:

    @Amir Khalid: Eh, it’s clean enough. Noticing is not the same as caring, which is not the same as actually doing something about it. It’s a busy season for me, housework is not high on my agenda. Damn dogs and cats could be sweeping up their own damn shed hair, but no, the lazy bums never want to do any chores. Takers!

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    geg6 says:


    You’re my hero for this. Really.

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    Kyle says:

    Canada, you’re supposed to be the designated driver for North America. Sad to see you sinking to the level of Alabama.

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    gelfling545 says:

    Making dinner which I am pretty certain qualifies as Saturday’s breakfast. My sister got married on Fri. evening & whatever they spent for the open bar at the reception, they sure got their money’s worth. The bar was only closed during dinner at which time carafes of red & white wines were placed on the tables. Oh, Lord, I’m way too old to do this stuff anymore.

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    drkrick says:

    @Redshift: Jesus, how do they get away with that. These people were given instructions at the polling place and they’re no longer in effect five days later?

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    geg6 says:

    @Mike G:

    I know nothing about Ford other than his crack headedness. Is he a Canuck version of a wingnut? Don’t know why, but I thought he was a liberal.

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    Scott S. says:

    Crack is A-OK for rich white people.

    Jail for everyone else.

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    beer time somewhere says:

    The joke going around is the Ford motor company is putting “no relation” on all their signs in Toronto.

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    John O says:

    Ford is too fat to be a crack addict. More a crack aficionado, I’m guessing.

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    These people are the first to cast stones when the stonee is somebody form outside their tribe. 27%. Always 27%.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Canada doesn’t have anything like the American sentencing disparity between possession of crack and of powder cocaine, does it?

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    geg6 says:

    Anyone besides me only watching 60 Minutes tonight to see Lara Logan squirm?

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    Ash Can says:

    @Redshift: Hats off to you for doing this. I hope word does get out. And I also hope the DoJ has a detailed and productive conversation with the VA State Board of Election’s kneecaps.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @geg6: Oh no, he’s total taxed-enough-already, welfare moochers blah blah, yell at the poors conservative. Think Chris Christie with a crack habit.

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    MattF says:

    Good to know that Canadians really aren’t any better than we are.

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    John O says:


    I hadn’t thought of it, but you might be on to something. And the idea of LL squirming has always been appealing.

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    Redshirt says:

    At least Rob Ford kept us safe.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    The backstory on the Ford family shows that they basically ran drug operations in their affluent suburbs, and that customer base became a voter base. The amalgamation of those outer burbs into the municipality basically gave the white-flight wingnuts (of which Canuckistan has a fair few) the chance to run the city.


    That’s the City of Toronto’s official logo on that billboard.

    Used without permission, and accompanied by bad spelling.

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    Baud says:


    60 Minutes failed to realize that you have to completely give up your integrity if you want to go after Fox’s audience.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Redshift: Thank you for doing that! Here’s very much hoping your hard work is successful!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Redshift: You’re a good citizen. I hope your efforts pay off.

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    Mike in NC says:


    Anyone besides me only watching 60 Minutes tonight to see Lara Logan squirm?

    That might be worth taking in. Otherwise, I feel about “60 Minutes” the same way I do about “Saturday Night Live”: boring program that should have been cancelled many years ago but the producers have too much money invested.

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    While the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery speaks to our own common shared humanity and sins before God and the need for grace and the need to extend grace to others. It says nothing about the quality or qualifications of leadership.

    Jesus was quite vocal about the corruption of the leaders of Israel in His day, and had a pretty low opinion of Herod Antipas who had put His cousin John to death (after John stood up to Herod and condemned Antipas’ marriage to his brother’s wife.)

    Also, I’m fond of this quote from Ezekiel:

    The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy, and say to them, even to the shepherds, Thus says the Lord God: Ah, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding yourselves! Should not shepherds feed the sheep? 3 You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fat ones, but you do not feed the sheep. 4 The weak you have not strengthened, the sick you have not healed, the injured you have not bound up, the strayed you have not brought back, the lost you have not sought, and with force and harshness you have ruled them.

    Leaders are called to serve the people honestly and give justice to the oppressed, to help the poor and the sick, and to save those who stray (in modern context, prisoners.)

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    Citizen_X says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: from your link:

    The advertisement was spotted on Friday in a west-end neighbourhood in Etobicoke, the heart of the embattled mayor’s support base.

    And you can’t spell “Etobicoke” without c-o-k-e.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: Wow, thank you for that correction, which I hadn’t seen. I apparently had no trouble believing that the city would spend tax dollars on a pro-Ford billboard, but it never occurred to me that a pro-Ford group would just appropriate the municipal logo!

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    ruemara says:

    @Redshift: Bless you and may they listen.

    What else? Applying for work. House is so empty without the boys. The roommate’s kitty is rather funny though. She’s not an attack cat, but she hisses at nearly everything, yowls a lot and now that the guys are gone-she wanders into the pantry and downstairs a lot more. But I often close the door on her since she’s so quiet And then I spend a few minutes trying to figure out where the crying cat noise is coming from and if I’ve finally lost it and can relax into the bliss of delusions.

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    Redshirt says:

    I wish Chris Farley were still alive only so he could play Rob Ford in the comedy biopic.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Redshift: Jesus, that’s crazy. If I wanted to help, who would I call? I went to the Virginia Democratic Party website, and there was nothing on their site to suggest that any of this was going on. I’m in Maryland, but I live only 35 minutes from the Wilson Bridge.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    @Redshift: How did voters react, Redshift? Do you think they’ll show up? Were they mad enough?

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    nineone says:

    Throw the first stone, eh? Sounds like code for smokin’ crack rock.

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    Redshirt says:

    Let me note for the record Redshift does not equal Redshirt.

    In the event of any litigation, I’d like to suggest Redshift change their name to Blueshift, which is a much happier name – yay! Light coming at us! Whereas changing my name to Blueshirt alters the entirety of my existence, really.

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    geg6 says:


    Well, then. Isn’t that how it always is with these guys? And here I was sorta feeling bad for him, what with his addiction and all. But this news makes me not give a shit about him any more. Not a good bleeding heart liberal, am I? ;-)

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    nineone says:

    @Redshirt: Well Rush of the Anal Cyst may be needing a change of venue soon, so there’s that.

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    gnomedad says:

    Compassionate conservatism.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Upside for Americans: at least a few Canadians can no longer look down on us for our fked up politics.
    Because holy cow…

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: the suburbs around Toronto are not uniformly white. They tend to be ethnically segregated, but there are a lot of different ethnicities represented.

    What they are is uniformly conservative, pro-car and anti-urban. Hence Ford.

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    MattF says:

    @MattF: Ah. Does this mean that we’re now going to see a defense of crack addition on FOX?

    ETA: Meant to link to Citizen_X, but missed.

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    cathyx says:

    @Redshirt: What about RedTShirt, or Redpants, or Redundershirt or Redbuttondownshirt?

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    Redshirt says:

    @cathyx: Oh cathyx, I wonder about you sometimes. Are you from the Czech Republic, by any chance?

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    cathyx says:

    @Redshirt: Ok, how about Redshit?

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    If I were a Toronto resident, my answer to that billboard would be: I don’t want to throw stones at Rob Ford – I just don’t want him in a position of responsibility over me. These are two quite different things.

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    rikyrah says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    The backstory on the Ford family shows that they basically ran drug operations in their affluent suburbs, and that customer base became a voter base. The amalgamation of those outer burbs into the municipality basically gave the white-flight wingnuts (of which Canuckistan has a fair few) the chance to run the city.

    are you for real?

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    cathyx says:

    @Redshirt: If I were from the Czech republic, then I would be yellowshirt.

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    catclub says:

    A stone comes out of the crowd and hits the sinner.

    Jesus yells: “Ma!”

    Maybe you had to be there.

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    Scott S. says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: The Canadians elected Harper. Their politics are already at least as fucked up as ours.

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    MomSense says:


    Thank you for doing this–what a GOTV nightmare.

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    catclub says:

    @low-tech cyclist: Making people accept responsibility for their own actions is ten times worse than Hitler.

    And equating stoning to death with demanding he resign is also a stretch they are willing to make.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @beer time somewhere:

    The joke going around is the Ford motor company is putting “no relation” on all their signs in Toronto

    I saw a picture of at least one Ford dealership in T.O. with the “no relation” billboard, and it didn’t look photoshopped.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mike in NC:


    Tuning in for the Lara Logan apology tour, and may they put it up front and not make us slog through their whole unwatchable show.

    I am glad to see this blow up in CBS’s face.

    Making some chicken with apricot and soy sauce dish. Just had a lovely long bike ride.

    Might try to read a bound book tonight.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:


    I always assumed you were the doomed crewmember on the away team who was going to go looking in the shadows behind a boulder and scream right before a commercial break.

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    Redshift says:

    @IowaOldLady: I think all the people we have on the list are ones who came up to our volunteer tables outside the polling places (that is, I don’t think we were given a list of provisional-ballot voters, though I could be wrong), so they were mostly pretty positive and eager to follow through. There was only one who remembered that she was told it would be taken care of and she didn’t have to go, and we had to explain that the Republican appointees on the board of elections had changed the rules on us on Friday. She was pretty pissed, but eager to not let them get away with it.

    It’s a pretty small list altogether, just 200-odd people altogether. I spent two and a half hour driving around to nine houses.

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    Redshirt says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: That’s my life!

    Yours, too, since your new job.

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    @Roger Moore:
    See @BGinCHI. Cutting taxes is only the tiniest part of it. ‘Fiscal conservatives’ hardly ever promise to cut taxes. What they promise is to stick it to the poor. It’s a philosophy of hate.

    EDIT – Which means asshole behavior from ‘fiscal conservative’ politicians is more likely to please their voters than turn them off.

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    Redshift says:

    @low-tech cyclist: I’m sure you’d be welcome. We’re working out of the Fairfax Democrats HQ, 2815 Hartland Rd. Suite 110, Falls Church, VA 22043. 703-573-6811. It’s only a few blocks off the Beltway at Rt. 50. There are canvassing shifts at 9am, 11am, and 1pm tomorrow, and 9 and 11 on Tuesday, and phone banking there all day.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    we had to explain that the Republican appointees on the board of elections had changed the rules on us on Friday.

    I must be extremely naive, but I just don’t understand how this could be remotely legal. Isn’t there a judge around to slap this down right smartish?

    She was pretty pissed, but eager to not let them get away
    with it.

    I’m pretty pissed too, and I don’t even live in Virginia.

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    Elizabelle says:


    Five cheers, sir.

    An afternoon well spent. Good on you.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:


    I saw the new Star Trek on the plane home from Stuttgart yesterday. Scotty wears a red shirt, and has the best job on the ship.
    Modern action/adventure film makers excel at one thing: the near-pr0nographic depiction of stuff getting destroyed. It’s like their life’s work to show large scale violent demolition as explicitly as possible.

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    Linnaeus says:

    Trying to keep my mind busy. Sundays have been hard for me as of late, because I’m anticipating the beginning of the new work week, and that feels a little stressful. I’m looking for a new job that I hope will be a better fit.

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    Redshirt says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Too many away missions will get you eventually.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Here’s the Globe & Mail’s backstory on the Ford family, which includes drug dealing, passing acquaintance with white supremacists, and other fun stuff.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    You should read all the tweets at the link – hilarious!!

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Redshift: Good for you!! I was wondering how that message was going to get out to all the provisional voters in Fairfax.

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    Armed gun loonz decided to protest a meeting of 4 Moms Demand Action folks in Dallas yesterday. Bullies and thugs.

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    @Southern Beale: Not bullies. Fucking chickenshit cowards. Can’t even face a bunch of moms without arming up.

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    debbie says:


    I intend to. It’s been too long since I’ve heard genuine insincerity.

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    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN) says:

    @low-tech cyclist: Is it okay if I just want to throw stones at Rob Ford?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    Just read it, thanks for the link. Pretty damning stuff, although I guess a good lawyer could scream “Alleged! Circumstantial!” pretty loudly.

    Wonder how long the G&M has been holding this story. They can’t have put the entire thing together in just a few days.

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    Scott S. says:

    @👾 Martin: Ya know, eventually, they’re actually going to shoot up a meeting of gun control moms or go bullet-crazy in another preschool or something else insane — and they’ll still insist they did nothing wrong because SECUND AMEMMENT.

    I’m amazed LaPierre hasn’t already started lobbying legalize crimes committed with guns…

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    Schlemizel says:

    This is a must read for people who want ammunition in the battle against sprawl and big box murders of communities. Here in simple numbers a guy shows how to compare the revenue generated by big box bastards like WalMart to that generated by mixed use urban centers.

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    SFAW says:


    Thanks for the hard work!

    @John O:

    More a crack aficionado, I’m guessing.

    Or, as the esteemed Dr. Louis Feinberg (noted associate of Dr. Moses Horwitz and Dr. Jerome Horwitz) might say: when it comes to crack, he’s a “commonsewer.”

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Some voice of reason, possibly his MOM(!) according to one report, has gotten through to Rob Ford and he will now have a driver to shuttle him around. Until now he has done all of his own driving. And not without a few problems according to this.

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    MomSense says:

    @👾 Martin:

    I have learned in a most unpleasant fashion that being a mom means nothing to these gun nutz.

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    Redshift says:


    Wonder how long the G&M has been holding this story. They can’t have put the entire thing together in just a few days.

    There was an interesting segment on NPR’s On the Media about it today, featuring the guy from Gawker and a guy from the Toronto Star. Apparently Canada has a media culture that is much more deferential to public figures. They said that the G&M has been working on the story for more than a year, but sat on it until revelations by the less establishment media forced them to go ahead.

    Best line from the story, about how Ford dominates politics and the media there: “In the kingdom of the passive-aggressive, the truly aggressive is king.”

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    Redshift says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I saw the new Star Trek on the plane home from Stuttgart yesterday. Scotty wears a red shirt, and has the best job on the ship.

    Have you seen this?

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    Bitter and Deluded Lurker says:

    @John O: I suspect he usually uses the powder version, but isn’t picky.

    Having said that, you know why the the stereotypical crack addict is thin? Because they don’t have any money to spend on food. Ford is wealthy.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Yup. And it’s true!
    In other news, John Scalzi’s novel Redshirts won the Hugo. I so want to see that made into a film.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Yes, he’ll smoke them.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Redshift: I often listen to OTM on Sundays, but missed it today. Was planning to hear podcast later this evening (or at about 2:30 a.m. if, as seems to be the case more and more frequently, I find myself slammed wide awake about then). Anyhow, thanks for the reminder.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @👾 Martin: Or they were just trying to intimidate those moms. Sad either way.

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    geg6 says:


    The segment she did on the CBS morning show was pretty much an apology but with a completely nonsensical excuse and, to my eyes anyway, no real sense that she did anything wrong. I may be biased because I’ve known for a while that she’s a total suck up to neocons, in and out of uniform, and disliked her mightily for it. She has an agenda and it has biased her reporting for years and years. She was never a serious journalist. She’s an authoritarian and tool of the MIC and security/intelligence complex. I’m cackling with glee at how inept she’s been revealed to be and how she now must publicly humiliate herself. It’s well deserved.

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    rikyrah says:

    November 10, 2013 1:01 pm
    Shannon Sharpe with an intense 2-minute rant about Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin

    The NFL Today on CBS opened their Sunday coverage with the Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin story. Shannon Sharpe spoke passionately about the culture of the locker room and the use of racial epithets.

    Like I said before, this whole situation boils down to one thing—common human decency, respect. Nobody in the Dolphins locker room showed any. Yes, including Jonathan Martin.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Elizabelle: Tuning in

    And CBS News says “Mission accomplished.”

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    drkrick says:

    @Redshift: just read a piece on this in the Blue Virginia blog. Their version is that the rules for people forced to cast a provisional ballot due to ID issues didn’t change (deadline to present acceptable ID was this past Friday) but that they’ve held off on final determination on ballots cast as provisional for other reasons a couple of days longer than planned to give voters extra time to make their case. A (is it the?) GOP member of the board of elections is catching hell from other Republicans for not hurrying up the vote to advantage their side since the assumption is that most of the revalidated votes will be Dems. Thanks for letting people knows they need to get their information in.

    I can’t believe the FCDP is still in that space – I made canvassing calls out of there in the eighties.

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    @Baud: Then what the fuck is the point? Sheesh.

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    Leslie says:


    Thanks dude! GOP audacity never ceases to shock and appall me, even if it’s long since stopped surprising me.

    And as long as we’re talking about Baby Jeezus and stones and all that:

    A hard act to follow, um, swallow

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    Steeplejack says:


    Linky no work. You fix.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @rikyrah: thanks

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