Working Poverty Gets No Coverage

Wegman’s, a grocery story chain, is a big deal around here. They’re regularly on the “Top 100 places to work” lists compiled by business magazines, because they pay well for a grocery store, offer benefits, and have a history of promoting from within. But this is ridiculous:

Some 10,000 people applied for 500 positions at a Wegmans slated to open next month.

About 500 new employees were hired from the applicant pool — a 5 percent acceptance rate.

By comparison, Harvard had an undergraduate acceptance rate of 5.8 percent in the most recent year.

This is from a story in the Philadelphia Business Journal about a Wegmans opening in Montgomery, PA. The story isn’t that Wegmans is as grand as Harvard and therefore is attracting applicants the way Harvard does. The story is that 10,000 people in Montgomery, PA are unemployed or underemployed, and even if they do get an entry-level job at Wegmans, they’ll still be working poor if they have a family.

And if they are working poor, they’re going to face another dilemma:

So the options we’ve been left with are this: both of us to work as much as possible, put the kids in daycare and lose healthcare, or keep our income at a level that at once facilitates a stay at home parent, ensures BadgerCare [Wisconsin Medicaid] and excludes our true earning potential, just for the sake of insurance of some kind. All in the name of if something should go wrong. Because if something big goes wrong or something bad happens, it’s not going to eat the savings — there isn’t any. We’ll go bankrupt and lose what little we have.

Obamacare will (hopefully) fix this problem by giving this family the option of insurance with premium support based on income. But someone got a 404 once on a page on healthcare.gov, so let’s be sure to focus on that instead.

83 replies
  1. 1
    Punchy says:

    10K applicants for one company? Is that normal, cuz it doesn’t seem right. Thats half of my entire town all asking to bag foodstuffs and stick lobsters in a tank. Seems really inflated.

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    anon says:

    “As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 1,695 people, 628 households, and 462 families residing in the borough.” LOOOOOL someone’s getting trolled.

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    I have a friend in that situation. She’s not quite poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, and the insurance options available to her cut $45 out of each scanty paycheck.

    Thanks, Obama.

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    Eric U. says:

    there are a lot of people in that area that are willing to drive a fairly long distance for a job. There just aren’t any jobs to speak of in that area of Pennsylvania, at least if you can’t get a job at a prison.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:

    @anon:

    It’s within driving distance from a bunch of economically depressed areas, ass.

    ETA, Scranton alone has 75,000 people. If there is 10% unemployment, that’s 5,000 unemployed working age adults.

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    TrexPushups says:

    @The Raven on the Hill: do you happen to have a republican governor or legislature? Because if they refused to expand medicaid it is their fault.

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    fka AWS says:

    @Eric U.:

    there are a lot of people in that area that are willing to drive a fairly long distance for a job.

    Which creates another whole set of problems, since the poor don’t necessarily have high-quality late-model transportation (I was fortunate to be able to walk to work when I was working convenience stores, and my old datsun was missing a water pump).

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    Anya says:

    You should watch the governor of Kentucky “debate” the governor of Ohio Obamacare on MTP. Basically, it was Dancing Dave repeating current GOP talking points and Ohio governor repeating 2010 GOP’ anti-Obamacare talking points and Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear telling the media to chill the fuck out.

    http://www.politicususa.com/20.....-work.html

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    martial bliss says:

    Its a shame folks don’t realize this is a site for insipid losers with deep social anxieties and poorly developed coping skills to vent about nonsense/ou read these co.no matter the topic it’s allways their issues that shine. have you tried reading these comments? int an insipid bunch but its always the same. Please stop showing these animals actual policy topics. they don’t want it they dont need it, it really just confuses them. this place is a group home catering to the desperate and useless.

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    martial bliss says:

    Its a shame folks don’t realize this is a site for insipid losers with deep social anxieties and poorly developed coping skills to vent about nonsense/ou read these co.no matter the topic it’s allways their issues that shine. have you tried reading these comments? int an insipid bunch but its always the same. Please stop showing these animals actual policy topics. they don’t want it they dont need it, it really just confuses them. this place is a group home catering to the desperate and useless.

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    Keith G says:

    It pains me to say that the Democratic Party seems to fight (I mean a real all-in struggle) for those trapped in poverty a whole lot less than they need to.

    Humane reasoning indicates this is a fight that needs great effort, but it’s also essential for the future viability of this society. The level of commitment that one is willing to bring to the struggle against poverty and its effects tell me pretty much what I need to know about a political leader.

    There is not a lot to be optimistic about.

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    magurakurin says:

    @The Raven on the Hill:

    Yeah, that’s a sad tale, too bad it is just a complete bullshit story pulled out of your trolly ass.

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    Eric U. says:

    @GHayduke (formerly lojasmo): I doubt you would drive from Scranton to work at that Wegmans. However, Williamsport, Lock Haven, Lewisburg, and any number of small towns and their rural surroundings have plenty of residents that need a job. I don’t think it procduced any significant local employment anyway, but the fracking activity in that area seems to have died down now that the price of natural gas is so low. Other than that, there is no reason to have a business in that area.

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    amk says:

    corbett’s utopia. You get what you vote for.

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    Keith G says:

    @The Raven on the Hill: Obama does own some of that responsibility, but it would be foolish to consider that it is his alone.

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    fka AWS says:

    @martial bliss: And yet you are here.

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    Poopyman says:

    Geography fail in the original article.

    IOW, it’s Montgomeryville, PA. Big difference in population of the surrounding areas.

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    amk says:

    But someone got a 404 once on a page on healthcare.gov, so let’s be sure to focus on that instead.

    self parody?

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    NobodySpecial says:

    Obamacare will (hopefully) fix this problem by giving this family the option of insurance with premium support based on income.

    If you can’t pay the deductible, what’s the insurance worth, exactly? Sounds to me like that’s the problem of that family.

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    Eric U. says:

    @Poopyman: yeah, that does make a difference. Like a population of millions of potential employees to draw from

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    Kay says:

    @Anya:

    Kasich has to walk a fine line, so it was probably to his benefit to go out and attack Obamacare, since he just adopted a huge chunk of Obamacare (essentially) by executive order. Don’t tell anyone though. We’re pretending it didn’t happen. I’m glad MPT was there to help with his re-election campaign.
    I was wondering what the Ohio Tea Party would go to next now that they lost on Obamacare, and I have my answer. They’re trying to put Right To Work on the ballot.
    The state GOP screwed them on Obamacare, and now they’re happily carrying water for the same anti-labor, establishment Republicans. I’m actually disappointed. I thought they’d come up with something slightly more creative, more edgy and mavericky.
    Union bashing by the base of the GOP. Yawn.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @The Raven on the Hill:

    I have a friend in that situation. She’s not quite poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, and the insurance options available to her cut $45 out of each scanty paycheck.

    Here’s a simple solution: have your friend post a whiny diary on Daily Kos about it. It doesn’t matter if only 8 Kossaks read it, it will be trumpeted on the wingnut blogs. This is currently the fastest way to wingnut celebrity that doesn’t involve shooting a black kid.

    If she’s claims that she’s so pissed off that she’s joining the Tea Party, she might get a paying gig on RedState out of it. That would help raise some extra scratch.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Keith G: if you two had bothered to read the letter Josh posted you would have seen that the family was relating what a godsend the ACA is for them. But yeah, Obama sucks, whatevah.

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    Cassidy says:

    Oooh, the sick puppets are out in force!

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    magurakurin says:

    @The Red Pen: lol

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    rikyrah says:

    working poor is a phrase a whole lotta people don’t want to utter.

    they pretend people don’t want to work…they want to work…

    the expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare was supposed to provide that bridge to healthcare for the working poor…
    but those evil ass GOP Governors refused to expand Medicaid.

    I hate those evil muthafuckas with the heat of 10,000 suns

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    Baud says:

    @magurakurin:

    They obviously don’t read enough blogs.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I too am disappointed. I was promised a schism.

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    Yeah I wrote about this a couple years ago. The news always reports on job fairs for crap positions like it’s fucking Christmas. “2 thousand people showed up for 400 jobs …” that is not GOOD news that is BAD news. It’s a sign of our broken economy, not rah-rah for Widgets International paying people crap wages and no benefits.

    Ditto for those stories about fundraisers for someone’s healthcare and whatnot. The local news always covers this stuff like it’s so great, they’re having a benefit concert for this little girl with leukemia, community coming together, rah rah. Except I hear these stories and I think, “yet another family going bankrupt because of healthcare costs. This shows why we need to fix our broken system, idiots!”

    Sigh.

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    dlwchico says:

    The Sierra Nevada Brewery here in Chico has a similar response when they have an ‘entry level’ type of job opening. They don’t hire 500 people at once, but I imagine the number of applicants/job opening ratio is similar.

    I know I’d quit my job to go work for them.

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    Also, most Americans are idiots.

    This, right here, is our problem.

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    RSR says:

    Montgomeryville, PA is basically a rural metropolis. It’s not that easy to get to from most of Philly proper, but much of the region is highway connected to it very well. It’s raison d’etre, at least for the last 40 years, is shopping.

    Check out this classic signage outside the Route 309 Cinema: http://www.cyberplaque.com/sit.....0_4413.jpg

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    Feudalism Now! says:

    I love me some Wegmans, but this is not unusual. Even craptastic employers like Walmart and fast food places are getting mobbed with applications. High unemployment is a feature, not a bug. High underemployment is a feature that no one even thinks about or chooses not to think about. The ability for upward mobility is shrinking, not growing.

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    Xantar says:

    @NobodySpecial:

    People with insurance get discount rates on drugs and medical services. So even if you never hit the limit on your deductible, you could very well save money due to the negotiated rates anyway.

    Especially if a major portion of your premium is being paid by the IRS.

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    Keith G says:

    @magurakurin: Nonetheless, while I can accommodate and am reasonably comfortable with the increased healthcare costs I will be shouldering, I work with others who are not as fortunate. The system has gaps that will cause hardship for some while the many see real benefit.

    With reference to the general topic of this thread, unfortunately until those gaps are addressed, some in the working poor will not see the benefits of ACA’s implementation.

  36. 36
    TopClimber says:

    @NobodySpecial: ACA also provides an assist with copays and deductibles for those at up to 250% of poverty level.

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.or.....idies.aspx

    If I am reading this citation correctly, it also seems to say that deductibles are charged progressively–that is, you pay the 30% deductible as you receive a 70% insurance benefit until you hit the max deductible (silver plan example). You don’t pay the deductible in full before getting any benefit.

  37. 37

    @Feudalism Now!:

    High underemployment is a feature that no one even thinks about or chooses not to think about.

    Remember when George W. Bush told the woman who worked three jobs how terrific that was and “uniquely American”? Fucking idiot. They’re so out of touch they don’t recognize the signs of our broken economy even when it smacks them in the face.

  38. 38
    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I was promised a schism.

    I didn’t think there would be a schism. The independence of the Tea Party from the GOP has been wildly over-reported.

    Have to love how they threw them labor as a consolation prize, though.

    “Here. Go after these other people. Just stay away from John Kasich”.

  39. 39
    magurakurin says:

    @RSR: thems my old stomping grounds, well sort of nearby. It was home to the funkiest shopping mall around, the Montgomeryville Mart

  40. 40

    I was at the library yesterday and saw the latest issue of Time, this month’s cover story extolling the virtues Texas, by libertarian bot Tyler Cowen. He even has Tom Friedman beat for packing maximum condescension in minimum words. Apparently Texas is the future of the US, since Texas saw the maximum growth in population of all states.

  41. 41
    Kay says:

    Not that people don’t need jobs, but is maybe some portion of this big number due to applying online?
    My younger clientele tell me they apply everywhere now because it’s so easy to apply online.
    It’s true for Meijer (grocery) in my area. The application process is online so it’s easy to give it a shot, and see if they get a call-back even if they’re already working or not all that interested in traveling to the job.

  42. 42
    magurakurin says:

    @Keith G: so what is your fucking point, that the ACA isn’t perfect? No shit sherlock. Every single person on this blog wanted/wants single payer, but we didn’t/couldn’t make it happen. But the ACA is a massive improvement. And even the folks who have to struggle to pay their subsidized premium will still find themselves much better off than being uninsured when they become sick. And it still doesn’t change the fact that the story above was from someone who was thrilled with the benefits that the ACA was providing them or the fact that the other asshole’s story was/is total bullshit.

  43. 43
    WereBear says:

    We got married, had children and then realized just what we were up against..

    Precisely. As detailed in the article, these folks have two small children, and nothing else. Crummy car, secondhand clothes, no cell phones or vacations.

    Perhaps this is fine with the Republicans, to have our working poor live so frugally and virtuously. But this family also does not contribute much to the greater economy, do they? They are very tiny on the scale of consumerism.

    How can this please our overlords? Now they want to rip more money from the pockets of those who have a little more than this family… so they can become frugal and virtuous, too.

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    Botsplainer says:

    I keep wondering when our 1% are going to start investing their tax cuts in business as opposed to wingnut think tanks and political candidates. It would be nice if they focused a bit more on the business of business as opposed to increasing their economic and political control.

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    @Southern Beale: Actually most people in most countries are idiots. Our problem is that one of the two major parties has been taken over by idiots.

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    @Botsplainer: Never, why should they invest when the inflation is close to zero, why take the risk at all.

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    Kay says:

    @Botsplainer:

    I keep wondering when our 1% are going to start investing their tax cuts in business as opposed to wingnut think tanks and political candidates. It would be nice if they focused a bit more on the business of business as opposed to increasing their economic and political control.

    Me, too. If they love the private sector so much, why don’t they stay in it? Serve as an example. Show us how tax cuts creating jobs actually works. Can you imagine if that horrible casino magnate spent some of the money he invested in Newt Gingrich in inventing something or creating something? Why aren’t they innovating, instead of lecturing the rest of us about innovating?

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    mai naem says:

    @TopClimber: I think it also depends on the plan you choose. Some have PCP visits with copays and the deductible for the bigger stuff.

    As far the working poor it would help if they voted. I am not saying it’s necessarily easy but a lot of places have early/absentee voting. For the big elections its one day every two years. The Dems only need a few million more votes to take over the house.

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    BGK says:

    On a related note, I noticed a spate of “real Americans” on the teevee machine over the last 24 hours bitching about having new insurance plants foisted on them which are now vastly more expensive because of new ACA coverage requirements. Particularly with respect to mental health care, preventative care, and other things only second-handing moochers want or need.

    Um. I don’t know if it was voluntary, and the office person who could confirm it is busy this morning, but Florida Blue Cross added most of those things to our plan two years ago, and our premiums didn’t change that year. Not only that, but we were explicitly told our premiums went up less this year because the ACA puts a higher floor under the medical loss ratio.

    Latest talking point?

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    theremin says:

    Another data point for the set – a Wegman’s that recently opened in Germantown, MD also received 10,000 applicants.

    An important aspect to note, however, is Wegman’s policy of mailing flyers announcing job opportunities to a wide range of addresses at least 9 months prior to a store’s opening date. I received three mailers in total for the Germantown store, one of which was at least 9 months if not a full year before it opened. The high number of applicants still serves to highlight the number of un- or underemployed in the area, but the true value is likely lower given the period of time over which applications were accepted.

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    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader says:

    Something doesn’t pass the smell test here. BadgerCare in Philadelphia?

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    Keith G says:

    @magurakurin: Easy dude(tte). Pointing out flaws and wanting to apply pressure so that attention is paid to problems (and fixes) is not the same as attacking.

    And it still doesn’t change the fact that the story above was from someone who was thrilled with the benefits that the ACA was providing them or the fact that the other asshole’s story was/is total bullshit.

    Hence my “Nonetheless” Of course there are cynical attacks and misleading stories. It’s called another day in America. And along with that there are those who will not see the benefits realized by most under this new set of laws. I see first hand that they need extra attention lest they get left behind.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @Keith G:

    Ever notice how Keith G always has to find a way to blame Obama about something?

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    Anya says:

    @Kay: It’s funny how Kasich couldn’t come up with a coherant answer when Gregory half heartedly asked him to give more specific answer on the damage ACA caused his state. He started babbling about a puch of nonsense.

    “That’s like three things – the government almost shut down; now they’re tapping someone’s phone; and now this thing. This is creating an issue of confidence in the minds of American people and doubt among people around the world, which is really serious.”

    They’re seriously losing on this issue. The website glitches are their last hope to damage the ACA.

  56. 56

    RNC still in denial about why they repel most Americans:

    The Republican National Committee says it is changing its entire approach to campaigns, electing to focus on building the party’s grassroots on a constant basis rather than stockpiling money for TV ads in the months before an election.

    “Things have changed. That strategy is both outdated and ineffective,” RNC spokesman Sean Spicer says in a memo released to the media and posted to the RNC’s Web site. “That’s why Chairman (Reince) Priebus has changed the role of the RNC. The lesson from 2012 is we must have a permanent ground game. We must engage with voters year-round in their communities, especially in Hispanic, African American and Asian Pacific communities.”

    Spicer added: “So, while in the past, we may have measured the RNC’s success by the amount of cash we had piled up three months before Election Day, that will no longer be the case. We’re investing that money now and will continue to do so.”

    It’s not your marketing plan that sucks. It’s your IDEAS.

  57. 57
    wrb says:

    I went shopping for plans on my state website and was actually quite impressed. I haven’t been able to get meaningful coverage in the past due to old injuries and here the cheapest plan covered all preexisting conditions and cost $256/mo

    Low deductible Silver plans started at a bit over $300 .

    I now am much more convinced that Obamacare will will cut costs, after seen the plans laid out on the exchange. I had around 40 choices. Who in hell is going to pay $450 for a bronze plan with a $5000 deductible from one provider when you can get a silver plan with a $750 deductible for $340 from another?

    Insurers are going to have to get lean fast if they want to survive.

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    Mattski says:

    Man I can’t wait for that store to open!!!! I love that place

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    ruemara says:

    @Keith G: They don’t show up at the polls and the ones that do, vote for the Republican because it’s all [minority of hatred’s choice]’s fault.

    Hell, I’m in this position in supposedly well paid california. Even the normally secure municipal sector is actively seeking to drop wages, benefits and hours so they can pay a lot of consultants and executives and hopefully offload the day to day work on volunteers. You’re not needed as a worker, unless you are free. And the pay is designed to keep you a near slave without the icky freeloading of paying for your housing and food.

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    Original Lee says:

    @BGK: It must be. My cubicle neighbor at work has been complaining all morning that her sister’s Obamacare insurance plan is $5,000 a year more and has a higher deductible than her current plan, plus not all her doctors are on it. Plus, her mom is turning 87 and they are waiting for her death panel appointment. This is apparently the appointment where they tell you they won’t pay for expensive stuff for you any more and give you a pamphlet on how to commit suicide. My forehead is all red from banging it on the desk.

  61. 61
    Keith G says:

    @AxelFoley: What ev’.

    I voted for him twice, I worked a precinct convention for him. He is a human and a politician. Not all his efforts are perfect since no one achieves that mark. Some of his achievements have been great, some have been amazing. Some of his efforts were good but could have been better, and should have been. A few sucked.

    Does that mean one should sit back and not respond. Should I treat him differently than I treated Clinton or Carter? Is his ego so fragile that every comment needs to be, “Way to go! Good Job! I am so proud!”? Is your’s?

    Yes, what I typed…

    Obama does own some of that responsibility, but it would be foolish to consider that it is his alone.

    …was oh so incendiary. I am wondering if I think Obama’s legacy and place in history is more secure than you think it is.

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    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader says:

    @Keith G: Cut out the firebaggery, dude. If you can’t swoon like everyone else at the mere mention of Obama then you need to go start your own haters blog.

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    Glidwrith says:

    @Kay: I just had a nasty thought: We’ve go around 25 states refusing to enact the Medicaid expansion so we have a serious income gap between ACA subsidies and when Medicaid kicks in. Now, that is a lot of folks that really can’t afford insurance coverage, yet the individual mandate will still apply. If they go with the penalty for not carrying insurance, wouldn’t that create a bunch of folks that the ‘Thugs can point at and scream about how horrible Obamacare is?

    The failure to expand isn’t just evil, it’s an election tactic to show how bad the government is, forcing you to buy insurance or pay the scary IRS.

    Please tell me this is an unrealistic scenario……….

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    Anya says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: You’re back! Everything is right in BJ world again.

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    Keith G says:

    @ruemara:

    They don’t show up at the polls and the ones that do, vote for the Republican because it’s all [minority of hatred’s choice]‘s fault

    That is certainly where important battlelines are located. But “they” are not that monolithic. Folks in that situation need attention and weirdly enough, the Democrats speak to them as fellow citizens less than they should. One of Bill Clinton’s tremendous strengths was his ability to talk to the working poor in their language. Whether is was sincere or just salesmanship, it had in impact. But Bill has been the exception.

    An important mentor of mine used to tell me, that to motivate and assist those who have less, it helps to meet them at their level. Trying to assist from afar will not ultimately work.

    I think the Democrats can get more of those voters, not all, but we have to make a better effort – and we have to out hustle conservatives who have already been whispering in their ears.

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    MrSnrub says:

    @RSR: Are you local? We head up 309 to do most of our shopping in Monkeyville (as we’ve always called it).

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    ET says:

    In DC, Wal-mart is opening several stores opened a hiring center in September. One place reported 11,000 applicants for 1,800 jobs. Thankfully DC didn’t go though all that hating on Obamacare BS which is good since that company has low wages and little in the way of benefits.

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    Kay says:

    @Glidwrith:

    The individual mandate doesn’t apply.

    As the Obama administration took new steps Wednesday to implement the healthcare law’s individual mandate, it clarified an exemption for people whose governors don’t take part in the expanded Medicaid program.
    The law’s unpopular individual mandate requires most taxpayers to either buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS. But there are several exceptions to the policy, and the Health and Human Services Department emphasized those carve-outs in newly issued regulations Wednesday.
    Most of the exceptions are spelled out in the law itself, but the Health and Human Services Department clarified or expanded a few key provisions.
    Notably, HHS clarified that the mandate doesn’t apply to people who are eligible for Medicaid but live in states that don’t take part in the law’s Medicaid expansion.

    It never did, but they clarified. The individual mandate is pegged to a percentage of income on premiums that is defined as “affordability”. If the policy is unaffordable as a percentage of income, the mandate drops out. It’s a function of how the law is written.

    This matters to other people too, because if insurance premiums exceed “affordable” the mandate drops out. It’s the check on premiums for all of us. We don’t have to buy it if it exceeds “affordable”.

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    Ash Can says:

    @Southern Beale:

    “‘ We must engage with voters year-round in their communities, especially in Hispanic, African American and Asian Pacific communities.'”

    HAHAHAHA! What, this crap again?

    Yes, this is exactly what the GOP needs to do — stay in the faces of these people year-round and keep pestering them and reminding them what assholes and delusional idiots the Republicans are. That’s just a wonderful idea.

    Of course, the RNC and the rest of the GOP will never actually follow through with this latest version of “outreach.” That would entail coming in too-close contact with too many undesirables. And besides, these “outreach” “campaigns” are, I’m sure, just an excuse to move some money around within the RNC into someone’s pocket(s). Reince or one of his buddies must need a little extra scratch for a home remodeling project or a nice vacation.

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    Kay says:

    @Glidwrith:

    It works the other way, too. IF Medicaid is available AND the person doesn’t sign up for Medicaid, THEN affordable coverage is available to that person and the mandate penalty applies.

    This is addressed in the law, because they have something called “presumptive coverage” in states that expanded Medicaid. If you don’t have Medicaid, but are eligible for Medicaid and go the hospital, the hospital (usually emergency room) will enroll you.

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    Glidwrith says:

    @Kay: Thank you very much Kay. That’s a relief to hear.

    I have been chuckling lately over finding out that the yahoos saying they would rather pay the $95 IRS penalty are going to find out that it is $95 OR 1% of income, whichever is greater. And that the myth of folks being cut lower than 30 hours to avoid penalties won’t work anyway because hours are added up as an aggregate and anything over full time hours still is equivalent to a full time employee. Haw, Haw, Haw.

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    Kay says:

    @Glidwrith:

    I’m like a broken record on this, but we already know how mandates work, and it’s not just Massachusetts. States have insurance mandates that are part of child support. There the term of art is “reasonable”. You have to purchase health insurance for a minor child if it’s “reasonable” and you’re not married. The state mandate is actually harsher, because if it’s NOT reasonable, they simply take 5% of gross and add it to child support, as a “medical support order”. They’ve known for a long time they had to do something about uncompensated care. They started with kids, went to college students and now it’s everyone.

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    handsmile says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Re Texas

    Commenter rikyrah just posted something at the end of AL’s morning “Open Thread: The Biter Bit” that should cheer you up some.

    And h/t to rikyrah for that schadenfreudelicious tidbit!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Glidwrith:

    The failure to expand isn’t just evil, it’s an election tactic to show how bad the government is, forcing you to buy insurance or pay the scary IRS.

    Please tell me this is an unrealistic scenario……….

    I Hate to break this down to you, but I made a similar comment when it was pointed out the difference between urban and rural folks in the same state (Georgia). The RURAL GOPers have no intention of helping people through Obamacare, while their urban counterparts are, thus the cheaper prices for the urban dwellers in the same state.

    There are huge swaths of poor and working class WHITE PEOPLE that are being seriously FUCKED by the decision of the GOP NOT to expand Medicaid.

    While there will be some working class/poor Whites, who will understand that the GOP fucked them…

    Many more will go along with blaming the Black man in the White House.

    While the non-White poor/working class, are QUITE CLEAR as to who is fucking with them and cutting off their bridge to healthcare.

    As long as that group of poor/working class Whites continue to CLING TO WHITENESS….

    well…you know the end of this story.

    and why I say FUCK THEM for being so damn stupid.

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    LAC says:

    @Keith G: But if the inital story by raven on the hill isn’t true, why the need to comment like that? Whatev’s – use warm water and soap to ease your “Obama” sticker of the prius.

    I am still marveling at reading the least self aware post of mistermix – wait, the ACA became more than website now? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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    amk says:

    @rikyrah: Excellent rant. Fucking wilful ignorance & bigotry, how’s that working for ya?

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    Another Botsplainer says:

    @rikyrah: As they used to say in the good old days, “Right On !!!”

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    Chris says:

    @BGK:

    I suspect a lot of these stories involve people losing shittastic “plans” that wouldn’t actually have covered anything in the event of a real emergency. The ACA is making life harder for scams like that. But it’s an easy source of “Obama is taking away my money because he hates white people!” populism.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Raven on the Hill:

    How much is your friend currently paying for birth control every month? Just in round numbers.

    And when you say “every paycheck,” is that weekly or monthly?

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Chris: Indeed. My husband is as liberal as I am but not a follower of politics (and he has a point, it does tend to make me depressed so I’d be better off if I emulated him), and he fell for the “hey, my cheap plan just got killed by Obamacare!” talking point. I pointed out that those cheap plans are crappy catastrophic plans that still left people facing bankruptcy after something bad happened because they simply don’t pay for much – that’s why they are cheap. It’s a good thing ACA killed those plans because people bought them thinking they’d protected themselves from medically-caused financial ruin, but they hadn’t and were not much different than being naked.

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    BruceJ says:

    @dlwchico: With Sierra Nevada, it’s most likely they just need to weed out the guys who would go all ‘Lucy on the assembly line’ on ’em :-)

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    Mo says:

    Note on the thousands of people applying for jobs at new box stores:

    Many of these people already have jobs. Why? In grocery stores and such, shift assignments and promotions are based on seniority. If you are young, have no seniority where you are now, and thus little room to move up the ladder, it makes sense to jump to a new store opening up. Over time, you’ll always be one of the most senior employees.

    Learned this from my mother in law who worked at a rural grocery store. A new box store was opening up and all the younger employees were applying. She was trying to decide if she was willing to give references.

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