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Open Thread: Brand Action

by Anne Laurie|  October 15, 20136:13 pm| 156 Comments

This post is in: Austerity Bombing, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Assholes, Decline and Fall

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@ThePlumLineGS I'd take that deal. But only if I got to carve the Gadsden snake logo into Ted Cruz's forehead.

— billmon (@billmon1) October 15, 2013


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According to the Washington Post Shutdownpocalypse liveblog, it looks like the Heritage Foundation has decided to call in its markers and show the rest of us exactly how many Repub Reps it owns, body and whatever-passes-for-a-soul. The Post is also talking about threats of a national downgrade by the credit rating agencies and the possibility that Social Security checks might not go out, so they’re not fans.

Meanwhile, Alex Pareene’s evisceration of the latest “centrist nation” #brandyammer is hilarious:

Esquire, a magazine about fancy clothes and ordering drinks like an asshole, has teamed up with NBC News to poll a bunch of soft-liberal white voters. They discovered that those voters exist, they’re white, and they’re a bit liberal. This proves that the country is not divided. You can’t argue with all these charts and graphs! Even when the charts and graphs don’t prove anything, let alone what the words introducing them claim…

But let’s look at this “Center” more closely in terms of actual policy, to see whether this “Center” looks like the imagined “Center” of a Sunday show panel guest. This “Center” has dumb beliefs about “government spending” and a “balanced budget” because those issues are generally explained poorly and constantly lied about, but it is well to the left of the Washington consensus on specific economic issues. This “political center,” which is, again, primarily (but not entirely) a soft-Democratic white plurality, supports raising the minimum wage, hiking taxes on millionaires (59 percent support!) and taxing carbon emissions (yes, a carbon tax polled well in a survey of “the Center”), and financial regulation. We’re definitely still a center-right nation as long as you only pay attention to vague beliefs about the importance of balancing the budget and ignore the strong national desire to soak the rich…

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  1. 1.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    the Lite Guv of Texas has called for Obama’s impeachment. I think he’s the highest ranking actual eleced official, assuming a Lite Guv ourtanks a backbench ‘critter.

  2. 2.

    gbear

    October 15, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Open thread type question: I just tried to get onto Steve Benen’s site (Maddowblog) and was told I had to be registered and log in. Was there any advance notice about this? Is anyone else getting shut out? Pisses me off because he was one of the best quick-stops for finding out what is happening in DC.

  3. 3.

    BGinCHI

    October 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    Chuck Todd was trolling out that stupid fucking poll today, which is, I think, meant to show that people hold a lot of different ideas, many of them stupid and ill-informed.

    Oddly, he didn’t have any comment about whether “political analysts” like himself bear any responsibility for the low info voter’s low goddamn info.

    You know where education is well and truly broken? Beltway reporting.

  4. 4.

    Culture of Truth

    October 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I’d told you the House crazy caucus would Just Say No

  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    @gbear: I think you have to register if you want to leave a comment, but not for just reading it. Works fine for me just now.

  6. 6.

    BGinCHI

    October 15, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    @gbear: Same post has been up since right after lunch, so no idea what is happening there. Probably Steve is making a paper mache whale for tonight’s show.

  7. 7.

    srv

    October 15, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Haven’t we already had 6 months of Sequester?

    Ack, the giant head of Friedman on that link, you should make that NSFL or Friedman warning. People get hurt that way.

    As Limbaugh always said, centrists are just people without convictions.

  8. 8.

    MikeJ

    October 15, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    @gbear: Probably doing maint. Commercial sites don’t use .htaccess for membership.

  9. 9.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Tomorrow is going to be a volatile day in the markets. Today was the first day I felt that the rest of the markets are starting to get really nervous about this debt ceiling situation. The complete incompetence of the GOP is starting to piss off even the genteel assholes on CNBC who report on this stuff.

    I cannot believe we are one asshole move from Ted Cruz or the rest of his shitstain buddies in the Senate from defaulting. And John Fucking Boehner proved his utter worthlessness with that incredibly embarrassing presser earlier today. Blathering on about ‘fairness to all Americans’? Were the rest of those clowns drunk as well when they had a meeting earlier today?

    Get ready for a look over the precipice tomorrow, and maybe it’s a good time to see if that jacket you’re wearing doubles as a parachute.

  10. 10.

    weichi

    October 15, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    So things very clear stand exactly where we all thought they stood for many months: no way to raise debt ceiling or end shutdown without relying on D votes in the house. Will Boehner go down that road tonight or tomorrow? Or will he hope that the shutdown has postponed X-day to beyond Oct 17 by a bit, and pray for something to happen that changes the dynamic?

  11. 11.

    weichi

    October 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Generally the guardian’s live-blogs are much better, but they seem to have shut down for the day. Any alternatives to the post?

  12. 12.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    @robertcostaNRO
    “The votes aren’t there,” says a leadership aide. “We’ve been unable to get people around this strategy.” http://natl.re/19MY576

  13. 13.

    Cacti

    October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Fitch puts U.S. on notice of possible credit downgrade.

    Dollar subsequently drops vs. Yen.

  14. 14.

    Joseph Nobles

    October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    David Corn suggested clean CR and then Democrats staying out of any Speaker election, letting Boehner keep the gavel. I thought the Speaker had to be elected with a majority of the House. If that’s not the case, if it’s just a majority of those who vote, then let’s do that. Though I think any R who voted for Boehner after he let the clean CR pass would get primaried, too. So. Damn.

  15. 15.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    @davidfrum 10 Oct
    Boehner more afraid of Heritage Action than the entire American business community? https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/388307386563190784 …

  16. 16.

    Trollhattan

    October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    As the “assholes” tagline is in play, I have to link this story, which has had me seething since reading it this a.m.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/14/maryville_rape_case_the_horrifying_details_of_what_happened_to_daisy_coleman.html

    It’s enough to make anybody angry, but if you have a daughter…I can’t even start.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    @weichi: For reporting on the GOP House o’ Clowns, try Robert Costa’s Twitter feed

  18. 18.

    piratedan

    October 15, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    @lamh36: yeah the strategy of still finding a way to insert a poison pill into each CR that allows us even more leverage down the road and having it be rejected isn’t working so lets just keep on doing that…….

  19. 19.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @Joseph Nobles: From the Congressional Research Service –

    To be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of all the votes cast for individuals. This number may be less than a majority (now 218) of the full membership of the House, because of vacancies, absentees, or Members voting “present.”

    (EDIT: The Democrats could also agree to vote for Boehner which would greatly reduce the number of Republican votes he needs)

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @PsiFighter37: The complete incompetence of the GOP is starting to piss off even the genteel assholes on CNBC who report on this stuff.

    But I’m willing to bet Maria Bartiromo is still giving them her most supportive sneers and smirks.

    @lamh36: I can’t even keep track of what they’re refusing to vote on anymore. Can Boner really not know how pathetic he looks?

  21. 21.

    EconWatcher

    October 15, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    NRO is reporting as of a few minutes ago that Boehner can’t line up the votes for anything and won’t hold any vote tonight, so we’re back to the Reid/McConnell show.

    I think this is good, because the Senate Republicans held off to see if Boehner could get a bill done. He can’t, so they will, and in the end, I think, Boehner will have to pass it in the House with Dem votes.

  22. 22.

    aimai

    October 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @Trollhattan: This is the new Hyde Amendment–they know they aren’t going to have a chance for more fuckery much longer and this is the way they are going to give their voters what they want.

  23. 23.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) said Tuesday that he would vote for a continuing resolution to fund the government without any policy attachments, such as language defunding Obamacare.

    Then he babbled something about Obamacare.

  24. 24.

    Mike in NC

    October 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Lite Guv of Texas has called for Obama’s impeachment.

    What are the odds this boob spends a lot of time helping clear brush at Rafe Cruz’s “ranch”?

  25. 25.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    This was always going to go until the last minute. Boehner doesn’t have to fish or cut bait until Thursday.

  26. 26.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    hahahaha…they’ve lost Jennifer fuckin’ Rubin!!!

    @JRubinBlogger
    I’m so old I remember when the GOP was the party of financial stability

  27. 27.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My understanding of today is
    a) This morning: Boehner and company come up with a plan to pass a CR/debt bill with a scaled down Vitter amendment cutting off subsidies for members of Congress, Pres, Veep, and Cabinet secretaries. Conservatives object that this isn’t sufficiently anti-Obamacare and it dies.
    b) This afternoon, Boehner and company make the plan more anti-Obamacare by returning to the original Vitter amendment, aka the ‘fuck over your own staff’ proposal. Late this afternoon, conservatives objecting that this is not sufficiently anti-Obamacare cause the plan to die
    c) This evening, who the fuck knows. Presumably the Senate, having watched a and b in morbid horror, get back to working on their plan.

  28. 28.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’s because she’s a dumbass and sucks as a reporter, asking followup questions like a dog chasing a squirrel, instead of processing anything that anyone is telling her.

    @EconWatcher: Boehner is fucking pathetic. Does anyone actually respect this overtanned turdblossom in D.C.?

  29. 29.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    @lamh36: Fuck, they’ve lost Jennifer Rubin? I didn’t even think that was possible.

  30. 30.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    WHY CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS HATE THE VITTER AMENDMENT
    POSTED BY RYAN LIZZA

  31. 31.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    @lamh36: She must have a lot of plastic surgery, because she sure doesn’t look like she was around when Teddy Roosevelt was president.

  32. 32.

    weichi

    October 15, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    @dmsilev – thanks!

  33. 33.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The House will begin Impeachment proceedings within 6 months. And to that I say: Bring it on.

    Let’s get this fight over with, and crush these bastards in 2014.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Agreed. History will not look unkindly to Obama for being impeached in these circumstances, and there is no chance of conviction.

  35. 35.

    Punchy

    October 15, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Is debt ceiling officially/technically Wed. Nite at midnite or Thurs. Nite at midnite?

  36. 36.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    @dmsilev: I just assumed that was the parody account, but a google search tells me that the real Ms Rubin managed to have it suspended about a year ago.

  37. 37.

    MattF

    October 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    @dmsilev: They lost Rubin quite a while ago. She’s held to an anti-Cruz line for months.

    …And Republican House fails again:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us/politics/congress-budget-debate.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1381876393-xN+cowN38fE6E+en+gQ9NA

    According to the WaPo, some House Republicans are complaining “You mean, we shut down the government in order to screw our staffs?” It’s quaint, but there is a shred of human feeling there.

  38. 38.

    Schad

    October 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    The downward trajectory of Dave Weigel’s Twitter feed suggests that he’s either hitting the booze, or the madness of the House GOP is contagious.

  39. 39.

    piratedan

    October 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    @Redshirt: makes it a shame that we can’t have a vote of “No Confidence” on Speaker Boehner and call for new elections….

  40. 40.

    burnspbesq

    October 15, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    All Hail our new six-legged Messiah!

    http://smg.photobucket.com/user/burnspbesq/media/antchrist_zpsa4a08cca.jpg.html

  41. 41.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    @Punchy:

    Thursday midnight. But a guy on Chris Hayes last night said that he thinks the government has enough cash on hand to pay bills until next week.

    We’re down to the change in America’s sofa cushions.

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    @politicalwire
    A frustrated Republican just told me the only hope is a market crash tomorrow or Boehner caving and willing to lose his job

    https://twitter.com/politicalwire/status/390243587134607360

  43. 43.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    @Punchy: There’s actually not a hard deadline, if I have it correctly. We’ve been throwing balls up in the air for months to avoid default, and it’s Jack Lew’s calculation that tomorrow is the last day we can do that and still cover our debts.

  44. 44.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    @Baud: I believe we are also busy checking the pockets of all the pants and jackets we have not worn in a while.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    October 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Esquire proves it is possible to cut the pie into so many slices that all anyone gets is sticky crumbs.

  47. 47.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @lamh36: Fuck them. Do they really want to see the market shit its pants tomorrow before they act?

    They need to get their fucking act together without taking a sledgehammer to people’s retirement accounts.

  48. 48.

    Suffern ACE

    October 15, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @MattR: the key word is “individuals”. We need a way to vote in a group like the Nobel committee can do. Is there a group like doctors without borders that agrees to be a legislature in countries like ours while we wait for our next election?

  49. 49.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    @Baud: Indeed. And I hope smart Dems are using this shutdown for strategic purposes in negotiations – that is, to show America how fucked up these Republicans are, in time for voters to make a difference in November 2014. Because the only way this country can return to even a semblance of normalcy is for the Dems to re-take the House.

    Or, darkly, let the Repubs take over everything.

  50. 50.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    And the ship begins to sprout leaks…

    Issa: ‘I’ll Vote For A Clean CR’ To Fund Government (VIDEO)

  51. 51.

    C. Isaac

    October 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    They need to get their fucking act together without taking a sledgehammer to people’s retirement accounts.

    That’s a feature for them, not a bug. They want chaos and anarchy.

    All to destroy “that one”.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Or, darkly, let the Repubs take over everything.

    This will be Chris Christie’s campaign slogan.

  53. 53.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    @lamh36:

    More from Rubin:

    @JRubinBlogger
    More GOPers realize Heritage Action and Cruz are threat to survival of GOP #silverlining

  54. 54.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I don’t know that the Republican quoted was rooting for the market to collapse. I think he was just expressing a view that many of here hold – that it will take a collapse of the market for the Tea Party folks to view raising the debt ceiling as an issue with serious consequences.

  55. 55.

    the Conster

    October 15, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    The Republicans and the Tigers pitching are going to kill me. Not necessarily in that order.

  56. 56.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @MattR: They probably are rooting for it, all these fucking survivalist hicks sitting with their guns in the middle of fucking nowhere.

    We need fucking grownups running this country, who realize there’s a bigger world out there that exists beyond their goddamn front porch in the middle of Bumblefuck.

    So mad right now.

  57. 57.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Gotta think the smart money is on a market bath tomorrow. Which someone, somewhere, will make shitloads of money on.

  58. 58.

    Suffern ACE

    October 15, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @Baud: vote for Chris. He’s merely ominous and mendacious.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    The GOP is nothing but a protection racket at this point.

  60. 60.

    Patrick

    October 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    But I’m willing to bet Maria Bartiromo is still giving them her most supportive sneers and smirks.

    Yes, she will. She is not a reporter, she is Republican pundit.

  61. 61.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    @Baud: Wasn’t this one of Romney’s campaign points? An accurate one? Vote for me, because if you don’t, my Party will fuck everything up.

  62. 62.

    srv

    October 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Rubin is just another RINO.

    Why are we talking about this meh news when real history is being made”?

    Glenn Greenwald, the reporter who broke the NSA scandal, is leaving the Guardian to start his own news publication, BuzzFeed reports.

    Word of Greenwald’s new venture Tuesday comes one day after the reporter announced that there were many more important stories from the Edward Snowden NSA leaks that are in the pipeline.

  63. 63.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    @the Conster: We got a run! Scoring binge!

  64. 64.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    @Redshirt:

    I think it was.

  65. 65.

    NotMax

    October 15, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    @PsiFighter37

    Responsibility and duty have become quaint concepts.

  66. 66.

    MattF

    October 15, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    @Redshirt: Well, intelligent gangsters don’t shoot their assistants. I think none other than McCain said that they’re down to blood relatives and paid staff. And the latter are seriously wavering.

  67. 67.

    IowaOldLady

    October 15, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    My writing group meets tonight, thank god. Sitting here watching this is making me antsy.

  68. 68.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    @srv: Someone should tell that asshole that, unlike a bottomless pile of cash that you win from the lottery, Edward Snowden is not going to pay the bills going forward.

    I’m sure he’ll figure it out. Grifters gotta grift, after all.

  69. 69.

    Cermet

    October 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    @Baud: Oh, please. This isn’t even on the radar of the thugs. If the President use special powrs to address the debt ceiling, maybe but unless and until, not a chance by the majority of thuigs. Even amoung the teabagger thugs only a few have voiced that opinon… so far.

  70. 70.

    fuckwit

    October 15, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    @C. Isaac: NO NO NO. They want chaos and anarchy to destroy “those ones”. This has been their goal since the Civil War, which they’re stll fighting. The goal here is the destruction of the Government of Northern Aggression. They want to drown it in a bathtub. They have its head underwater already, right now!! This is awesome for them. Now they just need to hold hits head under the water for another year. They’re working very hard at that right now.

  71. 71.

    Kay

    October 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @lamh36:

    And the ship begins to sprout leaks…

    I want a formal, signed surrender from him :)

  72. 72.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @srv:

    Rubin is just another RINO.

    Got a great laugh out of that one.

    Pretty exciting stuff to watch for political junkies.

  73. 73.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I understand where your emotions are coming from, but this is also a Republican who hopes that Boehner caves which is not an attitude I would expect from one of the nihilist, survivalist bunker types you describe.

  74. 74.

    fuckwit

    October 15, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: HOLY SHIT! If they’ve lost Issa, they’re done, this is over, and we have survived the worst.

  75. 75.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 15, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    I did the stupid Esquire test and ended up in the bleeding-hearters. Needs way moar calibrating leftwards.

  76. 76.

    MikeJ

    October 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    @Kay:

    I want a formal, signed surrender from him :)

    Should we allow officers to keep their sidearms this time?

  77. 77.

    Kay

    October 15, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    The Ted Cruz Victory Committee reported raising $797,450 from the beginning of July to the end of September. That’s roughly double the committee raised compared to from the beginning of April to the end of June when it reported raising $410,030, according to financial disclosure reports. The committee is a joint fundraising committee of his re-election committee, Ted Cruz for Senate, and his leadership PAC, The Jobs Growth and Freedom Fund.

    Fleecing the base.

  78. 78.

    fuckwit

    October 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    @MikeJ: But not their horses.

  79. 79.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    @fuckwit: Mr. GTA probably can understand that his pile of cash will be worth a lot less if this keeps up.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    October 15, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    @MikeJ:

    Should we allow officers to keep their sidearms this time?

    It has to include the phrase “cessation of hostilities”. And it has to be a scroll.

  81. 81.

    HinTN

    October 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    @PsiFighter37: @Suffern ACE: Come on psi, that’s bumfuk you maroon. It’s clear you ain’t no country boy.

  82. 82.

    fuckwit

    October 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    I’ll say this once more. The teabaggers are not taking hostages to extract concessions from the other side. They are taking hostages in order to kill the hostages. That’s their goal. There is no point in negotiating with them. Their goal is to keep the government shutdown for as long as possible, which will de-facto fire all the employees or make them quit. That’s the reason behind punishing the congressional staffers with medical care costs too: make them quit, thus slashing that payroll. Their goal behind holding the debt ceiling hostage is not to get concessions in order to release the debt ceiling, it’s to never ever again raise the debt ceiling, causing social programs to be summarily effectively ended, and the US goverment’s ability to to issue bonds to be destroyed, and thus the US government to be destroyed. This is not a negotiation, it is intentional, premeditated sabotage. That is what is going on here.

  83. 83.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    I was happy to have just received a call from the National Resources Defense Council who wanted to connect me with my Congressman’s office so I could tell him my desire to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling. I ended up passing on the offer because I have already made those calls myself, but I was very glad to see the NRDC making the effort (or paying a third party group to do so).

  84. 84.

    Anna in PDX

    October 15, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I know, my meager 401K is going to take such a beating because these guys can’t run the country to save their lives. Also mad, but even madder that they have hit the very poor even harder than they have hit middle class people hoping to retire some day.

  85. 85.

    aimai

    October 15, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    @fuckwit: The only person negotiating with them is Boehner. In a sane world Obama and Reid and McConnell tried to cut them out but Boehner stands in the way.

  86. 86.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    @fuckwit: If they plan on shooting the hostage, I hope a lot of them will a) enjoy their money being worth a lot less, and b) they will enjoy being out of a fucking job next year, because even the morons who voted them in will know who stopped their Social Security checks from coming.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    October 15, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    House Republicans are in trouble.
    GOP leadership delayed their consideration of a bill to reopen government and lift the debt ceiling because they didn’t have the votes to squeeze it through the chamber, senior GOP sources said.

    It won’t tell you anything you haven’t figured out, but I just like the headline.

  88. 88.

    Turgidson

    October 15, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    @lamh36:

    So…Jennifer Rubin is…what, a hundred years old? She remembers the Roarin 20s before the bottom fell out while a Republican was president?

    That was the last time the GOP could lay a credible claim to being the party of “financial stability.” Although I’ll grant that they’ve maintained a decent grift by claiming, loudly and repeatedly, to be that party, in spite of so very much evidence to the contrary.

  89. 89.

    Eric U.

    October 15, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: re: esquire poll, I’m pretty sure that if you believe some pretty crazy shit on the right, you can end up in the center. There is no crazy shit to actually balance that out with.

  90. 90.

    Jay C

    October 15, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    So: am I being petty in being pissed that WABC in N Y is pre- empting Jeopardy and Wheel Of Fortune for a mayoral debate between Joe Lhota and Bill de Blasio?

  91. 91.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    @robertcostaNRO 5m
    Jim Jordan on CNBC just now: conservative Republicans “won’t support” a clean DL/CR, should Boehner bring up

  92. 92.

    MattF

    October 15, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    @Jay C: I suppose they could have arranged for the candidates to be contestants on the quiz shows, satisfying everybody. Hmm.

  93. 93.

    sparrow

    October 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @MattR: So for the first time in my life, I actually decided I would call or at least check in on what my kinda douchey but Dem congressman is doing. But on his website, Ben Cardin (who I don’t like much) claims all offices are closed and no communication is possible because of the shutdown. How are ya’ll calling your reps?

  94. 94.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @keithboykin: New York Times: Republicans nearing open revolt against John Boehner. http://bit.ly/1gINGwj

  95. 95.

    sparrow

    October 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    @lamh36: By “conservative Republicans” they mean teabaggers, so that’s not really news, right?

  96. 96.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    @lamh36:

    Only need about 20 Republicans to pass one, though. I don’t know if I’ll ever stop laughing if it comes down to a clean CR passed by majority Dems.

  97. 97.

    LesGS

    October 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    @burnspbesq: I know this is inappropriate, but would the symbol of the AntChrist be the Patriarchal cross?

  98. 98.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    @lamh36: That’s OK. Democrats + a couple dozen vaguely sane/frightened GOPpers would be enough.

  99. 99.

    Cassidy

    October 15, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    @sparrow: Cardin, Benjamin L. – (D – MD)
    509 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
    (202) 224-4524
    Contact: http://www.cardin.senate.gov/contact/

  100. 100.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    @rebeccagberg 2m
    Reid spox: “Senator Reid and Senator McConnell have re-engaged in negotiations and are optimistic that an agreement is within reach.”

  101. 101.

    raven

    October 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 2m

    Reid spokesman says Reid & McConnell are again negotiating, “optimistic that an agreement is within reach”
    Collapse

  102. 102.

    MattR

    October 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    @sparrow: I used the number for the legislative office in DC from the “Contact Rodney” link on Congressman Frelinghyusen’s House webpage. In retrospect, I should have taken advantage of the NRDC’s offer to reiterate my position to my supposedly moderate Republican representative. (EDIT: I would guess that Cardin still has staff to take constituent calls and record their opinions, but he wont be able to do anything to help any constituents who are having an issue)

  103. 103.

    jenn

    October 15, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    @sparrow: Calling your congressman vs. your senator will probably be more important, if you’re only going to call one. However, I’ve been able to talk to my senators’ local offices and both the local and DC office of my congressman, so if your senator really isn’t taking public comment because of the shutdown, he’s a schmuck who deserves to get reamed!

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    ‏@TPM 38s
    Senate GOP aide: “Ted Cruz and his Tortilla Coast Republicans are leading us to a default” http://bit.ly/17spDuo

  105. 105.

    Svensker

    October 15, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    vote for Chris. He’s merely ominous and mendacious.

    Omnivorous.

  106. 106.

    TAPX486

    October 15, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    The cutting edge theory in cosmology is the 11 dimension multi-verse where there are an infinite number of bubble universes, including our own. Each universe has its own laws of physics. The GOP has gotten to the point that they are beyond the 11th dimension and are off in bubble universe of their own where the rules of Calvin ball apply.

    If Boehner and 17 republican can not come up with the balls and backbone to put country above tea party then I hope(pray to FSM) that Obama invokes the 14th amendment and dares anyone to challenge him and make his day.

  107. 107.

    Hill Dweller

    October 15, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    @lamh36:

    Reid spox: “Senator Reid and Senator McConnell have re-engaged in negotiations and are optimistic that an agreement is within reach.”

    Knowing it will take Dem votes to pass anything in the House should strengthen the Senate Dems/WH’s negotiating position. I hope they push for a clean debt ceiling/funding extension, with no extraneous issues attached.

  108. 108.

    Jay C

    October 15, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    @MattF:

    Yeah, you’re right: I’m probably being petty; after all, the main difference between political debates and popular game shows is that on the game shows, the responses are less predictable…..

  109. 109.

    Eric U.

    October 15, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    I don’t really understand the failure of the House to pass anything, they could at least pass the 47th bill defunding obamacare just for practice or something

  110. 110.

    PIGL

    October 15, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    @fuckwit: I agree. Those 50 congressmen should be dragged screaming from their offices and hung like dogs from the lamposts, their bodies left for the crows. If not, where does this end? With them or their masters doing the same to millions of us.

    Or dropped from helicopters into the North Atlantic; that would work, too.

    In all sober earnest, I do not understand why these men are allowed to continue political activity.

  111. 111.

    rikyrah

    October 15, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    October 14, 2013
    “Where Are the Riots?”: China Watches the Shutdown
    Posted by Jiayang Fan

    “Is the US government shutdown worth celebrating for the Chinese?” asked a post on Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter, almost two weeks after Washington locked itself into its political impasse. Thanks to a weeklong national holiday commemorating Communist China’s birth, which began, as luck would have it, on the same day D.C. decided to close its doors, the Chinese have had plenty of time to contemplate the question: Is a two-party democracy a system to envy or simply political delinquency?

    China, as the chief holder of U.S. Treasury bonds—around $1.28 trillion—and thus one of the larger parties that wouldn’t be paid in the case of a debt default, may have justifiable cause to be concerned. America is hurtling toward the default deadline, on or around the 17th, having seen no sign of a real breakthrough over the weekend.

    For the Communist Party, it has proved an opportune moment to propagandize and opine upon the perceived narcissism of China’s rival. “It is America’s arrogance that led to the U.S. decision to bypass the United Nations and launch a war in Iraq. It is the same arrogance that often lets America use its domestic policy to kidnap the global economy,” the People’s Daily, the Party mouthpiece, declared.

    “As U.S. politicians of both political parties fail to find a viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanized world,” pronounced Xinhua, the official state news agency.

    For the apparatchiks in Beijing, a de-Americanized world will surely equal a Sinoized one. “Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated,” Xinhua continued. “Instead of honoring its duties as a responsible leading power, a self-serving Washington has abused its superpower status and introduced even more chaos into the world.”

    The Chinese public is not unfamiliar with chaos. Beijing is known for its allergy to anarchy at all sizes and scales, which is why the Chinese, so far, have been the ones most baffled by the so-called shutdown. “Where are the riots, where is the looting and the pillage?” one perplexed Weibo user asked, echoing the sentiment of many sporting the #美国政府关门 (#USgovernmentshutdown) hashtag.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/10/where-are-the-riots-china-watches-the-shutdown.html

  112. 112.

    raven

    October 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 9m

    McConnell spokesman on renewed Senate talks: “They are optimistic an agreement can be reached”

  113. 113.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    October 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    @fuckwit:

    The teabaggers are not taking hostages to extract concessions from the other side. They are taking hostages in order to kill the hostages.

    Helter Skelter

    They’ve been on edge, anticipating a race war, for as long as I’ve been watching them.

  114. 114.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Bored and want to see a train wreck? (I am). Check out the National Review article on the failure of the House to hold a vote and scroll down to the comments. The true believers are trying, but they’re actually outnumbered by folks posting stuff like this:

    Obamacare is the law of the land you treasonous republican terrorist. Poll after poll shows the republicans are to blame for this whole mess.
    11 4 •Reply•Share ›

    Note the 11 likes and 4 dislikes.

  115. 115.

    Cacti

    October 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    @srv:

    Glenn Greenwald, the reporter who broke the NSA scandal, is leaving the Guardian to start his own news publication funded by the same Russian sources that prop up Wikileaks, BuzzFeed reports.

    fix’t

  116. 116.

    Bubblegum Tate

    October 15, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Did you all know that Obama is staging a bloodless coup? The capital letters mean it’s true!

    The “THIS IS NOT HYPERBOLE” at the end is just so perfectly Grandpa Simpson. “I am not a crackpot!”

  117. 117.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 4m

    Member texts from Cap Hill Club basement, tells me the whole R scene is “depressing… everyone needs a drink after today”

  118. 118.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2m

    “Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor… House action probably over.” –House GOP aide, via e-mail.

  119. 119.

    lamh36

    October 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    @robertcostaNRO 1m
    “Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor… House action probably over.” –House GOP aide, via e-mail.

  120. 120.

    MazeDancer

    October 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    One fascinating stat in the Esquire survey was that 21% do not watch sports on TV. So a fifth of subscribers is subsidizing the rest. No wonder we can’t get a la carte cable TV. Because if a fifth exits, it would be hard to sell as many mega priced sports options.

    Now, I recognize that not watching sports on TV puts me in the .002% of this blog. And I try to think that the 10 or 20 bucks a month I have to pay for stuff I don’t watch is just a gift to sports fans I know – BJ included. (BTW – 5 bucks alone is for ESPN.) But really, I’d rather not pay for it. Like many, I would like to pay for what I’d like to watch.

    Stil,l it was an interesting piece of knowledge that, naturally, cable TV is a bit more vague about when discussing the sports subsidy.

  121. 121.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    @Baud:

    Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 3m
    “Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor… House action probably over.” –House GOP aide, via e-mail.

    The overweight soprano in the horned helmet is warming up her voice.

  122. 122.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    @dmsilev:

    If this ends well, Booman will be crowing. He’s been all “chill, baby” for several days now.

  123. 123.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Steve Benen ‏@stevebenen 2m

    Remember when Pelosi was Speaker? How exceptional she was at the job? I wonder what she thinks watching Boehner fail so spectacularly.

  124. 124.

    Jay C

    October 15, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Beijing is known for its allergy to anarchy at all sizes and scales, which is why the Chinese, so far, have been the ones most baffled by the so-called shutdown. “Where are the riots, where is the looting and the pillage?”

    Well, there you go: after all, the Chinese are noted (infamous, even) for their VERY long views on political history: maybe they’re right in being bewildered at the lack of riots and pillage…

    It’s just that over here, the proper targets of said pillage are just slightly more up-for-discussion …..

  125. 125.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    @Baud: There’s still the Senate and the possibility of someone like Cruz screaming “I OBJECT!” and gumming up the works for a couple of days. 67 votes to change Senate rules without invoking the nuclear option. Wonder whether that’s something Reid and McConnell are talking about.

  126. 126.

    the Conster

    October 15, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT RED SOX1111111!!

  127. 127.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    @dmsilev: Wonder how soon the Teabaggers will call for a speakership vote after this.

    I would also imagine that this is going to do McConnell no favors in his primary against whoever the hell’s running against him. And Grimes raised more cash than him in Q3, too.

    Prediction: neither Boehner or McConnell are leading Republicans in the House or Senate come 2015.

  128. 128.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Cruz will pull a faux filibuster like he did before. Cruz controls the lemmings — he is not one of them.

  129. 129.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Sox win!

    Tomorrow, America wins.

  130. 130.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    @Baud: He’s also a fucking coward and won’t have the stones to try and delay this. I would bet his wife, who apparently works at Goldman Sachs, has also told him that his fun is up and to stop fucking around.

  131. 131.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    @the Conster: I can’t believe we’re up 2-1, given the dominating Tiger pitching. Baseball! What a sport.

  132. 132.

    Mike E

    October 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    @MattR: That’s been my gig lately, tho I am doing GOTV calls now. I’ll be recruiting LTE writers and attendees to statewide alternative energy events.

    Livin’ the dream in Dystopia…

  133. 133.

    Comrade Mary

    October 15, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Jonathan Strong: it’s all over, the House will take the Senate deal.

  134. 134.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    @Comrade Mary: Great, so we’re going to get to go through all this nonsense again in a few months?

    I mean, there’s no political downside for the Dems, given I have no doubt the GOP will pull this stunt again down the road (unless Obama starts getting starry-eyed about grand bargains again – hopefully he knows better after this shitshow), but this is not good or healthy for the basic functioning of our government.

    The only enjoyable thing will be the incredible amounts of intra-Republican warfare that will break out after this.

  135. 135.

    Hal

    October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    If I ever doubt the bubble some of these Republicans live in I just think of my co-worker who blames the entire shutdown on Obama. Obama won’t reopen the Government and she’s not getting her survivor benefits it the shutdown continues. How’s she going to pay her rent? It’s all Obama’s fault. If he wasn’t President, everything would be great. This is someone who believed that part of the ACA was to deny cancer treatment to anyone over the age of 70. Reasoning and fact explaining will not get through to some of these folks, so I don’t expect any of those few dozen Republican Congresspeople responsible for the shutdown to ever see it as anything but fighting the good fight.

  136. 136.

    gogol's wife

    October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    Who the hell is Jonathan Strong? Does he actually know anything? And sorry but I’ve been working all day, and need to go back to that, but what is the Senate deal anyway? How much do the Democrats have to concede? (I don’t mean to sound as if I’m badgering you, but this whole situation has me really agitated. The damage that’s already been done . . . over NOTHING!)

  137. 137.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    @PsiFighter37: The word dolchstosslegende comes to mind. Assuming we make it through the next couple of days, the recriminations over the next couple of months will be fascinating to watch.

  138. 138.

    Hill Dweller

    October 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    The Senate Dems shouldn’t give Republicans a damn thing. Hell, they should insist on extending the debt ceiling to 2015, in order to prevent a downgrade of our credit; a relatively short term CR at current funding levels; and a legitimate budget conference to negotiate a budget for the remainder of the fiscal year.

  139. 139.

    Baud

    October 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    unless Obama starts getting starry-eyed about grand bargains again – hopefully he knows better after this shitshow

    They still have to negotiate an actual budget, although I think this strengthens Obama’s hand. That said, it’s not like the GOP will get nothing in a budget deal (if they can agree to one). There is no substitute for defeating the GOP at the polls.

  140. 140.

    dmsilev

    October 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Strong is a reporter for National Review, so a guy decently-well connected with conservative Republicans. Senate deal hasn’t been publicly released (or even finalized yet), but the latest reports were that the GOP would at best get a fig leaf. If the Senate bill has to pass the House primarily with Democratic votes, the Rs may not even get that much.

  141. 141.

    gogol's wife

    October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Ooh, that sounds good. I hope Jonathan Strong knows what he’s tweeting about.

  142. 142.

    Knight of Nothing

    October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    @John O: given that members of congress can basically perform insider trading, it would be interesting to know what moves guys like Cantor and Boehner are making.

  143. 143.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Can these clowns actually pass the Senate compromise? I’m not so sure.

  144. 144.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    @Knight of Nothing:

    Yes, IMO, this should be knowledge instantly available to the public through law.

  145. 145.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    @Hill Dweller: If we go to a budget conference, I’d be shocked – mainly because the Senate GOP has been scared shitless by what Paul Ryan has been proposing. And if we do, it’ll be fruitless – there’s a reason all these other committees failed…the GOP has no interest in actually doing the hard work of governing now.

    Whatever escalates the infighting within the Republicans, I’m all for it. At this point, that party needs to be broken irreparably.

  146. 146.

    PsiFighter37

    October 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    @John O: We’ll have to see if ‘moderate Republicans’ actually exist.

    If the Senate manages to pass something tomorrow, only to have the House vote it down, watch the stock market take a nice little dive.

  147. 147.

    the Conster

    October 15, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    @Redshirt:

    BOSTON STRONG. FOLLOW US.

  148. 148.

    John O

    October 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Again, isn’t this about the right time for Reid and Obama to demand a clean bill that covers both “crises?” I mean from the Senate. What’s the downside?

    In any case, the dynamics sound like they’re going to be a little bit different when this all rolls around once more in 3 months.

  149. 149.

    Ash Can

    October 15, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    @Baud:
    @lamh36:

    “Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor… House action probably over.” –House GOP aide, via e-mail.

    CRRRAAACK!

  150. 150.

    hilts

    October 15, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    @the Conster:

    Red Sox 1 Detroit 0

    Yeah Bitches!

    Go Red Sox and Long Live Jesse Pinkman!

  151. 151.

    the Conster

    October 15, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    @hilts:

    I LOVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, RED SOX, PATRIOTS, TOM BRADY, JESSE PINKMAN, MIKE NAPOLI, JOHN LACKEY, BARACK OBAMA AND HARRY REID!!!!! 4EVAH!!!!!!

  152. 152.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    @Jay C:

    Answer: I am being petty in being pissed that WABC in N Y is pre- empting Jeopardy and Wheel Of Fortune for a mayoral debate between Joe Lhota and Bill de Blasio.

    Question: What is Jay C’s pettiness, Alex?

    M _ Y _ R _ L D _ B _ T _ . I’d like to buy an “A,” please, Vanna.

  153. 153.

    Redshirt

    October 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    @the Conster: Don’t forget the Bruins and the Celts!

  154. 154.

    SFAW

    October 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    The Senate Dems shouldn’t give Republicans a damn thing. Hell, they should insist on extending the debt ceiling to 2015,

    plus putting up the fee for the gaming license

  155. 155.

    Jay C

    October 15, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Isn’t that the “Express” space, Siubhanne?

    And the bonus puzzle is

    B_R_D.

  156. 156.

    the Conster

    October 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    @Redshirt:

    AND ELIZABETH WARREN, GAY MARRIAGE AND ROMNEYCARE!!!!

    AMEN.

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