“They did it for them. They liked it. It made them feel alive.”

Digby wins tonight’s internets, comparing the Teahadists to that guy on Breaking Bad.

Petula Dvorak, local columnist for the company paper in the company town (WaPo), has been collecting “Ways to Punish Congress for a Shutdown“. Let’s just say, if I were a Congresscritter, I’d be brewing my own coffee tomorrow…

Dana Milbank reports from the scene of the crime:

Although they claimed confidence that they were doing the right thing, Republicans were in a state of agitation as they moved toward the midnight deadline.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner (Wis.) was trying to flee the caucus meeting as CBS News’s Nancy Cordes asked him what would happen. “Well, we’ll see,” he replied.

“What do you think is going to happen?” she persisted.

“I don’t know,” he said, and when the questioning continued he snapped at the reporters: “I don’t like to do hallway interviews. You all know that.”

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) was similarly irritable Monday afternoon when NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reminded him of opposition by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) to House Republicans’ shutdown strategy. “I don’t care what John McCain thinks!” he blurted out. “Andrea, I don’t care what John McCain thinks!”

This was reminiscent of Rep. Darrell Issa’s explosion over the weekend, when Public Radio International’s Todd Zwillich asked him what he would do after the Senate rejected the House’s Obamacare gambits (as it later did). “How dare you presume a failure?” the California Republican said. “How dare you! How dare you! How dare you presume a failure!”…

139 replies
  1. 1
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    Stories like Sensy, Chaffetz, and Issa freaking out are what need to get heard. People might not care about debt limits and health exchanges, but laughing at pissy old men acting pissy and tight-assed is more popular. Remember how popular the story about Gingrich’s back-of-the-plane tantrum was, and how many people remember “You People” and “47%” from 2012.

    “How dare you presume a failure!” Jesus Christ, what a fucking tool.

  2. 2
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    These are the idiots Boehnead is trying to wrangle into doing something not stupid.

  3. 3
    The Dangerman says:

    Let’s just say, if I were a Congresscritter, I’d be brewing my own coffee tomorrow.

    “You guys might have wanted to stay away from our special sauce tonight. Me and Pookie, we added a secret ingredient.”

    /harold and kumar

  4. 4
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Chaffetz is a pissy young man. Other than that, carry on.

  5. 5
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Maybe Boehner took us over this small cliff so his caucus would be less enthusiastic about the next, bigger, cliff?

  6. 6
    Spaghetti Lee says:


    He’s old in spirit.

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Sensenbrenner has always struck me as a company man to the bone. He’s ancient, been in congress forever, and represents a northern and suburban district (Milwaukee). Guys like him are the ones I’m hoping get peeled off.

    “I don’t know what’s going to happen” doesn’t sound like an endorsement of what actually is happening. I think his pissiness is being frustrated with the lunatics in the House and in his district and self-hate at not having the guts to do anything about it.

  7. 7
    Anne Laurie says:


    Chaffetz is a pissy young man.

    Every time I see that smug, entitled schmuck’s face, I imagine Kitty Dukakis thinking “Wow, did I ever dodge a bullet.”

    (He’s the offspring of her first husband from his second marriage.)

  8. 8
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Not a bad idea, that. Still, Boehner doesn’t strike me as a guy who does a lot of deep thinking or advance planning. It seems beyond him to pull it off.

  9. 9
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Anne Laurie: whoa, I think I knew that before, but had totally forgotten.

  10. 10
    Mike E says:

    Eureka…even centrist Jon Stewart sez this is on the Repubs, and maybe it’s the president that isn’t the problem.

    Meanwhile, Luke Russert wants to enter the DougJ pool with with his pick of a 4 day work week until the House finally offers up a clean bill.

  11. 11
    Hill Dweller says:

    Did anyone watch Boehner’s press conference? The Twitter machine seems to think he was drunk.

  12. 12

    i am enjoying this immensely. pass the popcorn.

  13. 13
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Mike E: still was too soft on O’Reilly yet again. Can someone please explain to the Republicans that if they have some great plan to fix the health care system they can, you know, introduce a bill about that and try to pass it? Rather than dicking around with other laws and government functions just because that’s what they happen to have in front of them?

  14. 14
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    If I had coworkers like he does, my liver would be in tatters by now. Drink on, Boner, and may you get just drunk enough to call Steve King a cocksucker in a room full of reporters.

  15. 15
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Boehnead doesn’t have to plan ahead. He just needs to listen to Eric Rasputin.

  16. 16
    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    House GOP: “Look at me, Damien. It’s all for you! [steps off the roof and hangs herself]”

  17. 17
    eemom says:

    From CaseyL’s comment on the last thread, some much needed comedy relief from none other than the recently dearly departed TBogg.

    IOW…..in my ever so humble opinion…..the whole “retirement” thing was just an elaborate ruse to reclaim his balls from Jane Hamsher’s trophy case. bwaaahaaaahaaahaahaa

  18. 18
    Hill Dweller says:

    The Best Years of Our Lives is starting on TCM.

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    fuckwit says:

    Shit is fucked up and bullshit.

    I can’t cheer this idiocy on, because this stupid terrorist attack by the teabaggers is hurting people all over the country.

    Watching the Rethugs implode would be good popcorn fodder, but they’ve decided to make it a suicide attack and take out large numbers of innocent people. This is not a happy time.

  21. 21
    Suffern ACE says:

    @FlipYrWhig: yeah. Their plan is to repeal the tax increases on the wealthy and give those same wealthy a $20,000 tax break to buy the insurance plans they already have been buying. Or is it the Carson plan to repeal the tax increases on the wealthy and replace them with a tax break so that the wealthy can contribute more to healthcare savings accounts. I’m seeing a pattern to these plans and who will benefit from those changes to the tax code.

  22. 22
    Spaghetti Lee says:


    Holy shit. That’s awesome. Tbogg coming back on the eve of the shutdown…it’s like King Arthur or something.

  23. 23
    David Koch says:

    Robert Costa (National Review/CNBC):

    “Among House Republicans there is a real fear Obamacare will become as popular as Social Security.”

  24. 24
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @David Koch:

    And the Republican party will have done us the favor of reminding everyone, for good and always, which President created this new beloved and popular program. Thanks, guys!

  25. 25
    fleeting expletive says:

    Lately, I have wished there was a “like/unlike” feature on BJ’s comment platform. I’m not advocating Discus and I’m not signed up for that, but there has been so much excellent commentary here I’d like to “like” many of them. I’m on here way late tonight but it’s Shutdown Theatre and I’m still watching MSNBC and trying to comprehend what the Republicans are about. As usual, they make no sense to me.

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    eemom says:

    The terrorists lose. That’s the thing.

  28. 28
    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @eemom: I am very happy that this is coming. I currently pay $366/month for a federal PCIP plan, and it looks like under the California exchange, I will pay somewhere near zero come January.

  29. 29
    fleeting expletive says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Oh, I hope that happens!

  30. 30

    @fleeting expletive: At some point it will dawn on them, that on the way to proving that Obamacare doesn’t work, they’ll realize that they created a scenario where the only part of government that is working is Obamacare. This is going to fail so hard for them.

  31. 31
    Redshift says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    “How dare you presume a failure?”

    Translation: How dare you ask if we’ve thought even one step ahead! I mean, of course we haven’t, but it’s outrageous to point that out!

  32. 32
    fleeting expletive says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: thanks, bud.

  33. 33
    David Koch says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Obot!

    True Progressives, stand firm with Grover Norquist and Fox News and Kill the Bill!!

  34. 34
    NotMax says:

    Every Democrat and every Independent with access to a microphone and/or camera must refer repeatedly to the situation as the Republican shutdown.

    Also mentioned should be that it is a slap in the face to the military: the country is still engaged in a war zone, with troops deployed in support of the same government which the Republicans disrespect so much they refuse to engage seriously in funding it.

  35. 35
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @David Koch:

    Ah, I bet that makes you feel all nostalgic.

  36. 36
    scav says:

    Rather a perverse relief to have the Sitzkrieg over. But it’s well past time.

  37. 37
    David Koch says:

    “A currency shortage in Iran, created by Western sanctions, appears worse than previously thought, increasing pressure on leaders seeking to negotiate a nuclear deal.” ~ New York Times

    Oh great. Now we won’t get to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

    Thanks Obama :(

  38. 38
    joel hanes says:

    @David Koch:

    You know, when humor becomes sufficiently self-aware and ironic and arch, it can become so self-referential that it looks like gibberish to everyone but the writer — at which point it has no humor value at all.

  39. 39
    Joseph Nobles says:

    Best tweet of the night I’ve seen came from @BlackCanseco:

    Everytime a White GOP-er says “Obamacare is like Slavery” I try to picture my ancestors going, “Man this is like healthcare!”

  40. 40
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Joseph Nobles:

    Oh my. That’s great.

  41. 41
    fleeting expletive says:

    Oh, oh, oh! I have the soundtrack for the Shutdown Dance! It’s Lily Von Schtupp from Blazing Saddles–“I have zis powah!”

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    karen marie says:

    When I read Darrell Issa had an explosion I imagined it sounded like this.

  44. 44
    karen marie says:

    @karen marie: was supposed to be an 8 second clip of Catherine Tate’s Derek Faye but my tablet screwed up somewhere, I think.

  45. 45
    billgerat says:

    Well, I just got the word that it is for sure that government workers will be furloughed. My boss just called me to say that everyone is expected to come to work tomorrow, and will be offered to work for at least 4 hours, and the rest of that day on leave. After that furloughs begin. My doc diagnosed me with a small bout of pneumonia and wants me to stay home for a few days. If I don’t show up tomorrow, I will automatically be put in furlough status immediately.

    Who knows when I will get paid again. After the Gingrich Shutdown Congress retroactively paid us, but this time it’s anyone’s guess whether they will do it again.

  46. 46

    @David Koch: We’ve had half a dozen presidents try and break Iran, and Obama was the one determined enough to do it, and the GOP will call him weak in spite of it. And they think they’re going to win this budget situation?

  47. 47
    e.a.f. says:

    To think a G-8 country is in semi shut down mode. its more like a third world country which the IMF had taken over.

    The politicians who caused this little problem, apparently don’t want to deal with the ramifications of what they did. It may also be, the politicians, in their zeal to attack Obama, one way or another, forgot what the ramifications of their actions would be. They may also have been so deluded, they thought Obama wouldn’t call their bluff.

    These politicians are seriously mentally ill. there are other countries sitting around just laughing at these local yokals. How parochial of them.

  48. 48
    jl says:

    Uh oh, posted this pleas on the wrong thread…

    “How dare you presume a failure?”

    Another one of Issa’s heroic predictions comes to naught.

    The government just shut down on the left coast about ten minutes ago.

    No marauding cackling hysterical zombie hordes yet. I guess they will come with the political interviews on the morning news. So, what should I do? Shoot the TV in the head with garlic bullet and drive a silver stake through the radio.

    Is that right? Please let me know. I have about seven hours to prepare!

    Edit: maybe I should throw kryptonite at the TV screen? I need instructions out here on the left edge of crazy land. The GOPers will be crawling out the TV and radio tomorrow AM, cackling like maniacs.

    Ah, eye masks and ear plugs. There you go.

  49. 49
    srv says:

    Back when John Cole was fucking alive:

    The masses are ignorant, the Democrats are just using anything they can for partisan gain, and the Republicans can not engage the loony left effectively in debate…

    I guess we get the leadership we deserve, and it pains me to think how many more are going to have to die before we get serious.

  50. 50
    The prophet Nostradumbass says:


    Back when John Cole was fucking alive a fucking idiot:

    there you go.

  51. 51
    srv says:


    I have about seven hours to prepare!

    The primary feature of the Event Horizon of a Singularity (or Wingularity), is that time doesn’t really pass. From your frame of reference, you’re stuck there. Forever.

    And so we are.

  52. 52
    gene108 says:

    When air traffic got cut because of sequestration the Republicans flipped out.

    As a negotiating tactic, I think Obama should reroute money from air traffic control / airports, which should get the Republicans attention and tell them what to do, if they want to get air traffic back to normal.

  53. 53
    SRW1 says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    I imagine Kitty Dukakis thinking “Wow, did I ever dodge a bullet.”

    It’s more like something vermicular. And waaaaay slower!

  54. 54
    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @gene108: On a personal note: PLEASE NO! I’m supposed to be flying into CA on Thurs. I’d prefer to be able to land.

  55. 55
    raven says:

    Halperin and Joe “BOTH SIDES DO IT”


  56. 56
    raven says:

    The TOP CEO’s say Obamacare is BAD!!!!

  57. 57
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @raven: Joe: OMG, we’re going to have single payer, they sky is going to fall.

  58. 58
    raven says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I think he’s drunk.

  59. 59
    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @raven: could be entertaining if he is. Think he’ll grope the inevitable republican who ends up as a guest?

  60. 60
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @raven: It’s 6am his time, that’s a bit early for happy hour. Then again, 6am used to seem like a good time for a stiff drink for me.

  61. 61
    TAPX486 says:

    Well according to the VSP’s on Morning Joe its Obama’s fault because he isn’t leading. He has to talk to the Boehner and everything will be fine. These people could not find their butts with two hands and a very large flashlight.

  62. 62
    raven says:

    @TheMightyTrowel: Por people in the bushes!

  63. 63
    fuckwit says:

    For some reason I can’t stop watching this trainwreck.

    I don’t know how it ends.

    It’s a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

    How can we add these teabagging clowns to the ranks of the unemployed? How do we fire these motherfuckers? What’s needed to eject these reckless morons from the game in 2014, and what happens until then?

  64. 64
    raven says:

    Where was the police????

  65. 65
    MomSense says:

    @👾 Martin:

    The government just shut down but I just saved a bunch of money on my health insurance by switching to ObamaCare!

  66. 66
    Baud says:


    Did you really? Testify!

  67. 67
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @MomSense: See, the Republicans were right, you don’t need government. You’d never get that deal on Obamacare with government involved.


  68. 68
    raven says:

    Politico sez Obamacare bad.

  69. 69
    Baud says:


    Did they say why?

  70. 70
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Jim Van DeHiDiHiDiHi says things are going to get worse in the next 2 years.

  71. 71
    raven says:

    @Baud: Obamacare bad, reupbs no like.

  72. 72
    raven says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Yea, that’s what I meant!

  73. 73
    Baud says:


    That’s ok then.

  74. 74
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Per Politico, if only the President invited folk over to the White House 5 years ago for drinks, things wouldn’t be like this.

  75. 75
    Baud says:


    If only the media would stop making excuses for Republicans, things wouldn’t be like this.

  76. 76
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Just remember, BOTH SIDES DO IT.

  77. 77
    gene108 says:


    Per Politico, if only the President invited folk over to the White House 5 years ago for drinks, things wouldn’t be like this.

    But, but Obama’s a secret Muslim…making guests drink Kool-Aid and other non-alcoholic beverages wouldn’t be what they expect, when being invited for drinks and that’d just offend them…

  78. 78
    Baud says:


    Yes. Both House Republicans and Senate Republicans are to blame.

  79. 79
    gene108 says:


    If only the media would stop making excuses for Republicans, things wouldn’t be like this.

    If they did that they’d just be liberal tools of the Democratic party and not non-partisan, unbiased purveyors of information to the public.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    Healthcare.gov: “We have lots of visitors to our web site right now. Please wait here.”


  81. 81
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Well played, sir.

  82. 82
    MomSense says:


    Just went to ObamaCare and filled in the information and I am going to get insurance much cheaper. Was paying 1,600 a month for years because I have a pre-existing condition and then because of some life changes I couldn’t afford it anymore so have been waiting and praying to be healthy until I could sign up. Starts at $243 a month so now I am going to decide on the plan! I can manage this!!!

  83. 83
    JPL says:

    The local nbc news (11alive in Atlanta) had a physician who was railing about the exchanges. The exchanges have plans and no doctors. The medicaid expansion is awful, awful, awful. BTW, the governor decided that we aren’t expanding medicaid. He was the expert they had on to explain the health care law to the local public.

  84. 84
    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    Healthcare.gov: “Your account couldn’t be created at this time. The system is unavailable.”

    I’ve been wondering if the teahadis think that shutting down the government will shut down the Federal exchanges.

  85. 85
    Baud says:


    That’s so awesome. Tell everyone!

  86. 86
    JPL says:

    @MomSense: That is great news!

  87. 87
    Kay says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    I just got in. I got two error messages on the way there though.

  88. 88
    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @MomSense: Yay!

    @Kay: I’m just amused that even a tech-savvy administration appears to have underestimated how hard the servers would be pounded.

  89. 89
    MomSense says:


    Do they really want the situation where no legislation is ever really passed because every other budget or appropriation or debt ceiling becomes an opportunity to replace it??

    We will shutdown the government unless you repeal the ADA!! We will refuse to raise the debt ceiling until you suspend the Clean Air Act for two years!

    This is not a situation that requires additional negotiation about a law that passed more than 3 years ago.

  90. 90
    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @MomSense: Mr. Trowel, Brit, is appalled. He keeps looking at me and saying ‘why is no one calling this an attempt at a coup? why is no one calling this treason? wtf is wrong with your government? do people really think this is what democracies do?”

  91. 91
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Fuck these guys and their hangups about not being cool enough to be invited to the White House. This isn’t fucking high school.

  92. 92
    MomSense says:


    This is starting to sink in and I can do this. I’m getting teary about this because this has been a huge worry and the one thing that I just couldn’t do on my own.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:


    Do they really want the situation where no legislation is ever really passed because every other budget or appropriation or debt ceiling becomes an opportunity to replace it??

    Their favorite legislation was overturned/repealed/superseded in 1964 and 1965. Why shouldn’t other legislation be subject to the same?

  94. 94
    MomSense says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    I had no trouble with the federal exchange so I wonder if the problem is Ohio underestimating the traffic.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @MomSense: I’m in North Carolina. We were dumped onto the federal exchange.

    The holdup appears to be in account creation. It could be that you got in before the bulk of the people trying it.

  96. 96
    Kay says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    I’m just amused that even a tech-savvy administration appears to have underestimated how hard the servers would be pounded.

    I agree. I think it has to work on the first try.

  97. 97
    MomSense says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    This is a BFD!!! Lives are going to be changed in such a huge way. The Republicans are going to look even crazier when people find out that this is such a good thing.

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    sparrow says:

    @Kay: I got up this morning to the news and tested it out. As of 7:30 AM, no problems. I tried to check out rates out of curiosity but you have to fill out a profile and I felt guilty using up the server when I don’t actually need insurance right now.

    But, I was annoyed that when I switched to my old state, Oklahoma, it didn’t put the disclaimer “BECAUSE OF YOUR IDIOTIC REPRESENTATIVES, you will buy your insurance on healthcare.gov rather than a state exchange”

  99. 99
    Botsplainer says:

    Somebody linked Digby above or in a prior thread. This passage struck me:

    During their own public events, Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ga.) said he and his colleagues “saw the pain and the hurt and the fear, the concern about what would happen as a result of this law. And that created a renewed resolve not only in myself but in others after we got back from the August recess.”[…]

    This was the value of the propaganda, and what makes me go into a murderous rage about the Death Panel lies, Bible Spice, Limbaugh, Levin, the entire Fox cast and crew, Tapper, Todd, Halperin, Santelli, Bartiromo, Burnett, Ho, and the entirety of the DC pundit class.

  100. 100
    dmsilev says:

    Huh. Is Our Journalists Learning? NY Times:

    Conservative activists have portrayed the language as ensuring that Congress and the White House would be held to the same strictures that apply to ordinary Americans under the health care law. In fact, the language would put poorly paid junior staff members at a disadvantage.

    Most people buying coverage on the exchanges will receive subsidies through generous tax credits. Most Americans will still get their insurance from their employers, who will continue to receive a tax deduction for the cost of that care. Under the House language, lawmakers and their staffs, executive branch political appointees, the White House staff, and the president and vice president would have to pay the entire cost of health insurance out of pocket.

    No “interpretations differ” or “he said she said”. Simply “conservatives claim this, but they’re wrong and here’s how”.

  101. 101
    Baud says:


    I do think they believed that a lot of people weren’t going to try the first day, given all the reports about confusion and lack of outreach about the ACA. Plus normal first-day glitches.

  102. 102
    Emerald says:

    HaHaHaHa! I’ve been without coverage for nearly 13 years. (Took care of my Dad for 10 of those).

    I qualify for the “Enhanced Silver” plan in California. Cheapest for me would be $3 per month for an HMO. Most expensive would be $159 for the Anthem Blue Cross HMO.

    But unless my doctor is in that $3 plan (he might be–he takes more insurance than most), I’ll be deciding between the $94 Anthem EMO or Blue Cross PPO at $122.

    Without the subsidies these all would be from $679 to well over $700 per month.

    And I’m turning 63 in Dec and have been diagnosed with gallstones.


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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Kay: And in a few hours, it probably will. They’ll either scramble to get additional servers into the account creation loop, or the traffic will die down to expected levels.

    Hmm. Apparently, the validation email is only good for a few minutes. Validation timed out and then failed on retrying the link. That’s attempt number three.

  104. 104
    IowaOldLady says:

    @MomSense: That is awesome. I’m so glad for you.

  105. 105
    Kay says:


    I’m glad.

    Probably 50% of “our” people here who need it don’t have internet access and will be asking for help. We’ve been talking it up for a while. We don’t use the term “Obamacare” but I have had several people say “Is this Obamacare?”

    You know, no jackbooted thugs from Homeland Security, etc. Just a website. It’s less scary than it was made out to be :)

  106. 106
    Baud says:


    Kay, you need to start wearing jack boots when you go help these folks.

  107. 107
    Kay says:


    There’s three security questions, which is two more than I’m used to. My business account at the bank has only one.
    ANYWAY, I’m certainly pulling for them, although they must know there is a huge group of people hoping they fail.

  108. 108
    Baud says:


    I’ve seen anywhere between one and five security questions on websites. Five is too many.

  109. 109
    Elizabelle says:

    Did anyone else notice today’s beautiful and ironic Google Doodle?

    Tuesday is Yosemite’s 123rd anniversary as a national park. To celebrate, Google created a lovely doodle commemorating the anniversary.

    Tuesday is also the first day of the federal government shutdown, and thanks to Congress’ inability to fund many of the government’s operations, non-essential institutions like national parks are being shut down until Congress reaches an agreement on a budget.

    That means that on the very day that Google is celebrating the anniversary of the opening of one of America’s most cherished parks, the federal government is closing the park’s gates.

    Did Google do this on purpose? CNET has reached out to the search giant, and will update this story if we receive a response.

  110. 110
    Elizabelle says:

    National parks are essential.

    Extremist Republicans in Congress are not.

  111. 111
    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    OK, now it’s really gone glitchy. “Invalid format for answers of security questions.” Say what?

    I have the luxury of broadband and a job that consists of months of boredom punctuated by moments of terror. This is not good for people who are trying to do this at the library between jobs.

  112. 112
    Hal says:


    I could be wrong but I think there are five questions when you go for your free credit report which seems necessary for security but can be a real pita. Sorry, I don’t remember my exact address five years and four apartments ago.

    On a broader note I’m seeing some bitching on Facebook about how both sides suck and aren’t willing to compromise. Good job MSM. Both sides do it.

  113. 113
    cosima says:

    We’re paying nearly $600/month for our daughter, who will be 23 next month, on a COBRA plan that will expire in May of 2014. Insurance through her university is over $10,000/year. Now I can search out cheaper rates for her! Yay!

    I was really peeved back in the day when the Obama administration adopted the “Obamacare” label — I thought then, and still do, that if they’d stuck to their guns on calling it the Affordable Care Act, and pointing out that anyone who used Obamacare was using it in a pejorative fashion and therefore not worthy of being listened to, that half of the battle would have been won.

    What’s not to like about “Affordable Health Care”? Whereas there’s a significant portion of the population (sadly) that immediately hates anything that has the name Obama attached to it — it could be a giveaway of $1000 for each & every person, called “Obamagrand,” and it would be loathed by those same people. It’s not Obamacare, it’s an act (law) that is about providing affordable health care. I still get disgusted when I hear the term Obamacare, and it doesn’t matter who uses it, even the President. Back before it was embraced, I used that as a litmus test of sorts when discussing health care — if the person that I was discussing it with used the term Obamacare I could & would flat-out say that that insulting name for the ACA was indicative of their ignorance and there was no point in further discussions.

    Now that it’s been implemented, officially, can the administration begin using the Affordable Care Act title for the law FFS?

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    raven says:

    @cosima: Don’t keep up do you?

    “Obama Says Once Obamacare Works, ‘They Will Not Call It Obamacare”

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    gene108 says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    I’m just amused that even a tech-savvy administration appears to have underestimated how hard the servers would be pounded.

    The Feds weren’t expecting to run so much of the exchanges, when the plan was made law. They expected states to make their own exchanges.

    I’m not sure the budget for HHS was expanded to take up the challenge of meeting this higher usage of Federal exchanges than the law envisioned. From what I’ve read, HHS has done the best it could do to pick up whatever slack they had to because states refused to set up exchanges.

    Also, many states refused to inform HHS about whether or not they would set up an exchange until after the SCOTUS ruling on the law, which I believe was just last year, because if the law was struck down the states would not have to be on record for making a decision about the law.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @Emerald: these price stories, yours and MomSense’s are just awesome. Somebody should put together a new YouTube campaign, “It got better because of Obamacare”, that’s just people tellig stories like those.


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    amk says:

    @cosima: where exactly did you see the admin using obamacare? HHS has been using ACA from day one, FFS.

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    Chris T. says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: If only Obama had invited all the teahadis over to the White House … and then subjected them to Extraordinary Rendition …

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    Jay in Oregon says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
    It’s day one. Give it some time.

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    Baud says:


    Obama’s been using it for a while now. Official government publications probably won’t use it, however.

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    weaselone says:


    And that’s just if these issues are due to legitimate traffic. It wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out that there were denial of service attacks taking place.

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    Kay says:


    I tried for a while and then I gave up. I used to get emails about it when I wrote about it on the site:” don’t call it Obamacare!” The actual name is Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which is too long, and no one knows what PPACA means.

    Ultimately I think it will be okay whatever the name. Messaging only gets you so far. It has to work. for people. If it does, they’ll like it.
    There’s been a real shift here among juvenile judges. They’re all Republicans where I live, but they deal with no health insurance, bankruptcy, garnishments, etc. They’re genuinely hoping it works. They started asking good, serious questions after the SCOTUS signed off on it. You can’t deal with the uninsured directly and hope it fails. They really do need help.

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    amk says:

    @Baud: yeah, he uses it often to punch the thugs on their faces since they coined it. But that whine was about his admin and I have not seen it being used officially.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @PsiFighter37: Remember, at the beginning of the admin; the President did have congresscritters over for drinks about once a week.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    What I am curious is what the GOP thinks the end game is; Obamacare starts today. Bit hard to delay something that’s already done. If hostage taking is the metaphor the hostage died of a heart attack last night. Pretty much the only option is for them to cave.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @TAPX486: he talked to Boehner last night, who then went on stage and performed a mocking Obama Imitation ala Homer Simpson.

    Yeah. If the president considered such easy prey, talking might work. I think what he really needs to do today is go in TV and offer Boehner an intervention. Tell him that if Betty Ford could come clean about her substance abuse, it’s ok for Boehner to start talking about his.9

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    weaselone says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I don’t think the hostage dying is an accurate metaphor. It’s more like the hostage has broken lose and is killing your henchmen John McClane style.

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    MikeJ says:


    Remember, at the beginning of the admin; the President did have congresscritters over for drinks about once a week.

    Yeah, I remember that because it was a cocktail party that he hosted every Wednesday, and Bush (claimed to) not drink.

    Of course John Boehner refused to attend even state dinners. You can’t deal with Republicans. The only thing they understand is a smack to the head.

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    sparrow says:

    Ugh, got dragged into a facebook fight with a former college friend who insists that shutting down the government is a legitimate part of the “democratic process”… that it’s a totally normal thing to do to try to cut funding for laws you don’t like. UGH!!!

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    cosima says:

    I beg to differ about the administration using the term, see this link for one of the many stories about it taking the term onboard a while back: http://content.usatoday.com/co.....krBrCo1geE

    As I mentioned above, the article does note that the phrase’s intent was derogatory. And it remains so with a certain constituency. I agree that the official name for it is long, but truncating it to the Affordable Care Act is doable.

    And while I would like to imagine that in the future it won’t be called Obamacare (the “they” referred to by Obama referring to the haters being my take on his comment), there will always be a contingent that will hate it, no matter what good it does, and they will forever refer to it as Obamacare in a derogatory fashion.

    Thanks Baud & Kay for the reasonable response to my comment.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Jay in Oregon: Web design is one of the hats I wear professionally. I reserve the right to make snide comments about any website implementation.

    That said, until the validation fail and the following glitches, my mood was a combination of amusement and triumph. It’s even more successful than they were able to prepare for! (Assuming I’m not running afoul of a DDOS.)

    I’m not going to bore you with all the comments I’ve been making. The way they’ve designed the sign up form is annoying in the extreme, but I am willing to put up with some of the those annoyances because they serve a security purpose. But things like the validation fail are just bad. That’s a problem that shouldn’t happen just because they have to accommodate free email accounts. I’ve seen validation emails take as much as an hour to arrive in a gmail inbox. If you don’t validate in time, you have to start over. I had less than five minutes.

    I’ve been on the internet a long time. I’ve been designing web pages for as long as there’s been a web. And yeah, I do get pissy when designers don’t take the quirks of the underlying system into account.

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    weaselone says:


    I’m certain your former college friend would agree that it was a legitimate part of the democratic process if Obama flipped things around and refused to sign anything that would end the shutdown until congress inserted added a public option to the ACA.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    House GOP: “Look at me, Damien. It’s all for you! [steps off the roof and hangs herself]“

    I was gonna go with Allahu Akbar!”, but that works too.

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    nemesis says:

    Breaking: the Senate is back in session. The House has requested a meeting to work on fixing the shutdown impasse.

    I say stick it to em. If the House is feeling uncomfortable, then say nothing will be done unless the House okays the debt ceiling increase now, not later in the month. Hit em hard.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:


    I’m sticking with Obamacare. Fuck the haters.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Kay: Pres. Obama meant the Republicans would no longer call it ‘Obamacare’.

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    nemesis says:

    Lets end the “Obamacare” discussion.

    The case was in front of the SCOTUS. Two days prior to the decision, President Obama himself, along with his administration, began to refer to the PPACA as Obamacare, because he was so confident in the eventual outcome being deemed legal.

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    Jebediah, RBG says:

    @GHayduke (formerly lojasmo):

    I’m sticking with Obamacare. Fuck the haters.

    I was going with ACA at first, but switched to Obamacare. I want him to get more credit for its success. I would like for him to be getting credit for it as we stand over the GOP’s rapidly cooling corpse.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @gene108: Chances are that even with the added forecasted load, the HHS being subject to sequester-budgeting (“here’s 80% of what was needed before this”) wasn’t high enough to allow for all the extra hardware/software/staff because “we’re broke” and all.

    I’m only recently covered by my work (yay) after living in Insurance Hell – er, Florida – for 8 years, so @Emerald: I can understand well what you’re going through. My last FTE job in FL told me point blank to go shop the individual market because it’d be cheaper than the company HMO: as of today they only have Governor Voldemort to blame for that. Anyone who thinks employer coverage is an E ticket ride hasn’t worked outside the Beltway in a while, and as of today a good number of us have decent alternatives.

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