Open Thread: Good for Dan Savage

NSFW (it’s Dan Savage and Bill Maher FFS!)

At the Stranger, Savage titled this clip “Watch Me Make Grover Norquist and Connie Mack Throw Up (Almost)”, but there’s a lot of heartwarming points along with his “the problem with monogamy is dick” routines.

Reminder: If you want to enter the lottery for a paperback copy of Twilight of the Elites, this is your chance. will be helping me pick a winner around 9pm EDT.

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  1. 1
    Ted & Hellen says:

    Savage is kind of awesome.

    But I’m wondering if his husband ever gets to inseminate HIM…

  2. 2
    Ted & Hellen says:

    Quick ink sketch of JOHN KERRY

  3. 3
    Jimmi the Grey says:

    I’d like a shot at winning a copy. Been meaning to read it.

  4. 4
    EconWatcher says:

    Speaking of problems with monogamy, did y’all see that Anthony Weiner apparently kept up with his inappropriate communications with other women AFTER he resigned from Congress?

    Ordinarily, I think these kinds of issues are between a politician and his or her spouse, but note the date of Weiner’s son: December 2011. So apparently, both immediately before and immediately after Huma Abedin gave birth to his son, Weiner was out trying to seduce other women.

    This guy is pond scum.

  5. 5
    Anne Laurie says:

    @Jimmi the Grey: Then you have to comment in the GIVEAWAY thread!

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    Nerdlinger says:

    @EconWatcher: As Dan Savage said on that same episode, the problem with monogamy is Dick.

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    Russ says:

    I gotta come back and read the comments later. Snarkfest?

  8. 8
    Ted & Hellen says:


    Ordinarily, I think these kinds of issues are between a politician and his or her spouse,

    No, you don’t.

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    @Nerdlinger: Women have no agency at all? Thanks Dan.

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    EconWatcher says:


    I don’t know, I’m in possession of one of those, and I’m a very, very imperfect human being. But trying to fool around right before and after the birth of your kid? That makes you a POS.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hmmm, this should be interesting. I’m gonna def have to try to record it on CSPAN

    Trayvon Martin’s Father To Speak On Capitol Hill Wednesday

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    satby says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Well, it was said in semi-jest, and it was hilarious to this woman.

  13. 13
    2liberal says:

    The Rijks museum in Holland had an idea:

    Let’s bring the art to the people and then, hopefully,
    they will come to see more – at the museum.
    They took one Rembrandt painting from 1642,
    Guards of the Night and brought to life the characters in it,
    placed them in a busy mall and the rest you can see for yourself!

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    Belafon says:

    @lamh36: I wonder if we’ll get a “You lie”?

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    LABiker says:

    I watched Real Time last night and almost felt sorry for Nordquist by the end of the show. Almost. I don’t really understand why he would want to even go on that show. He got taken apart by Bill Maher, Dan Savage, and even Rula Jabreal (sp?) from the beginning all the way to the end. In the discussion about race and justice around the Trayvon Martin situation, he trotted out the right-wing school choice argument and got schooled by Jabreal. He pulled some bit of anecdotal “data” out of his ass and got schooled by Maher. Savage just made him look terrible. And the big speech on ignorant republican “experts” at the end of New Rules must have had him and Connie Mack squirming in their chairs. It was a pleasure to behold.

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    gbear says:

    I’m at work. Can’t watch. Yay for Dan Savage anyway. I think it was Joe My God who posted this yesterday.

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    Nerdlinger says:

    @EconWatcher: Twas a joke, and he wasn’t referring to Weiner’s poll in particular (Thanks Bill).

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    PeakVT says:

    Another serial fuck-up about to get a promotion?

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    PeakVT says:

    @PeakVT: Crap, I hit submit before I added the link.

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    Ash Can says:

    @2liberal: OMG! Love it! Thanks for the link.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hmm, so Rep Diaz-Balart is blasting Jay-Z and Beyonce for boycotting Florida (notice he did not mention Justin Timberlake or Madonna who are also on that list….hmmm why Jay and Bey???)

    Anyway, Jay-Z responded to Rep Diaz-Balart:

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    Silver & Silkey says:

    Where is the word on the nameless cat once known as Boss?
    Boss, now nameless, once known as “a Tomcat”?
    Since Cole took him to the vet before 8am, they should be home by now.
    Poor nameless one should be staggering around on wobbly legs.

  23. 23
    Pamela says:

    I’m posting because I want to win the book :-) Normally I just read the comments, which I enjoy; I love the diversity of comments, the humor, the seriousness, the knowledge and that those who reside here are kindred spirits in their worldview (with some exceptions of course :-)

  24. 24
    Karen in GA says:

    WordPress spotlighted my Quit Smoking post in their daily “Freshly Pressed” spotlight. Yay!

    However, they tagged it “addiction,” which is a bit strong for a sarcastic post about quitting smoking. So now I’m imagining determined 12-steppers clicking through, expecting a blog full of personal stories about struggle and inspiration, and finding me a non-inspirational disappointment.

    Which sounds about right, actually. Never mind.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    There had better be a Boss post up by the time I’ve finished supper.


    Cole wouldn’t have sounded so calm at 4 if there had been a problem, right?

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    👾 Martin says:


    Hmm, so Rep Diaz-Balart is blasting Jay-Z and Beyonce for boycotting Florida

    Why does Rep Diaz-Balart hate the free market?

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    Nerdlinger says:

    So this means Boss won’t be sexting me any more pictures of his…

    Oh never mind. I’m back in middle school again.

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    JPL says:

    So now Weiner and his wife are both speaking. He’s asking for forgiveness and she has forgiven him.

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    Ash Can says:

    @Pamela: You posted in the “giveaway” thread, right? (See Anne Laurie @ #5 above.)

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    David Koch says:

    the weiner presser was a complete train wreck

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    burnspbesq says:


    Ordinarily, I think these kinds of issues are between a politician and his or her spouse, but

    Drop “ordinarily” and “but.” Unless you can come up with a robust theory of how this behavior reflects on his fitness to hold office, you were right the first time.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    They wouldn’t dare do that to a grieving father. Would they?

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    Thank you, Your Omniscience, for probing the deepest recesses of EconWatcher’s mind and revealing his most secret thoughts.

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    Violet says:

    @lamh36: How’s the boycott of Florida going? I know about Stevie Wonder and saw that Jesse Jackson was considering it. Are Beyonce and Jay Z actually boycotting?

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    They wouldn’t dare do that to a grieving father. Would they?

    They wouldn’t dare not do it, for fear of being primaried.

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    Narcissus says:

    The problem with monogamy is not dick

    People who have dicks are not just along for the ride

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    JPL says:

    @David Koch: Bah Humbug! You just don’t believe in forgiveness.

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    Nerdlinger says:

    @Narcissus: The problem isn’t dick, it’s weiner in this case… (Oh for fuck’s sake, control thyself!)

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    Jebediah says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    I wouldn’t put it past them.

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    Karen in GA says:

    @Nerdlinger: This is why we can’t have nice things.

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    NotMax says:

    Oh please, oh please.

    In the three years since her unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign nearly caused a schism in the state Republican Party, little has changed for Christine O’Donnell as she considers another race.
    The tea party sensation has yet to announce her plans for next year, causing some Delaware Republicans to wonder if her indecision is keeping other GOP candidates from stepping forward as the campaign draws closer. Source

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    aimai says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yeah. The guy is a stone sexist. If it weren’t for all the good work he’s done I wouldn’t like him so much. But you do get the sense that he neither likes or respects women.

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    Nerdlinger says:

    @Karen in GA: You can tell what kind of a child I was, lol.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Violet: So far the names I’ve heard that I believed are confirmed are Stevie Wonder, Bey and Jay, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Dionne Warwick, Mary Mary, I believe Bruce Springsteen too?

    the Rolling Stones were on a list I saw, but I think they denied it

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    quannlace says:

    Book lottery? I’m in.

    Sounds a lot better than reading Weiner’s new sextexts.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @burnspbesq: If he doesn’t respect one of the closest people to him enough to refrain from stupidly risky behavior *relative to her* then what moral obligation might he owe to his constituents to refrain from stupidly risky behavior relative to them? I do not think this can be explained away merely as a personal peccadillo.

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    lamh36 says:

    Timely pic of POTUS( h/t @petesouza )
    Dedicating this to Anthony Weiner.

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    Violet says:

    @lamh36: Not sure it’s true that they’re boycotting. Just saw this:

    Sources are reporting that several artists that were allegedly canceling shows in Florida and other states with Stand Your Ground laws are false. Miami TV station WPLG says that “an executive affiliated with” their “Legends of the Summer” tour confirms that Jay Z and Justin Timberlake’s co-headlining show at Sun Life Stadium will take place as planned. Rihanna isn’t hopping on the boycott bandwagon either, according to “a source with knowledge of the matter” who told the Huffington Post. Only gospel act Mary Mary has gone on record about joining Stevie Wonder.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Karen in GA: Great post! I quit over a year ago and used a similar thought process, i.e., “Yeah, this sucks. It’ll suck less as time goes on. Either accept that and tough it out or start smoking again and end up on an oxygen tank and eventually suffocating to death.” Bleak choice, but true.

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    David Koch says:

    Christine Quinn must have a trunk full of 4-leaf clovers

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    @aimai: Hah! No wonder Andrew Sullivan likes him.

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    gussie says:

    @aimai: He may be sexist, I haven’t read enough to know, but he was making a factual claim there. Least monogamous = gay male couples. More monogamous = straight couples. Most monogamous = gay female couples. Now, if that’s true, then his point stands, doesn’t it? Or is the counter-argument that correlation isn’t causation, and that’s just a coincidence?

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    EconWatcher says:


    I don’t think there are bright lines for deciding when a politician’s private behavior renders his public judgment untrustworthy, so I’m not going to be able to offer a robust theory. This is a matter of judgment, and there are shades of gray.

    But does that mean that nothing a politician does in his private life–so long as it’s legal–could shake your faith in his or her fitness for a position of public trust? That strikes me as an extreme position.

    So, for example, just cheating on your spouse doesn’t suggest you’re unfit for public office. But if you get busted in a national scandal for sending dirty pictures, resign, and then right away start doing it again, even while planning your political rehabilitation, I’m starting to wonder if there’s something wrong with you. And if you do this all right before and after the birth of your child, I’m pretty sure there’s something wrong with you, and I don’t trust you.

    Having been through the experience with my wife giving birth to two kids, I think for any decent guy, it’s a time of amazing terror and joy. The idea that you’re cavorting around with younger women through dirty talk before and after your wife goes through this excruciating and dangerous experience makes you the kind of guy I don’t like or trust, and I don’t want you to be making the judgment calls behind closed doors on my behalf.

    Robust? No. But I don’t think assessing people works on robust theories.

  54. 54

    I got stung by a wasp this afternoon while refilling a bird feeder. On my left hand, by my ring finger. Thank God I thought to take my wedding rings off because my hand has swollen to a grotesque size and is now itching like crazy.

    I’ve put a baking soda paste on it but is there anything else I should do? I’ve never been allergic to this kind of stuff in the past. But needless to say, cooking dinner is out of the question.

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    Also, I think my career as a concert pianist is finished. Not that it ever started….

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    NickT says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Do you have any fever? Years ago, I had a very severe reaction to a wasp sting. My temperature reached 104.2 and my heartbeat was so violent it shook the bed. Luckily, my then partner persuaded me to go to the ER.

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    @Southern Beale: Use Epi-pen, if it doesn’t work go to the ER.

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    @gussie: Anecdata or real data?

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    Schlemizel says:


    I think it reflects on the pols honesty and integrity. That said, its a ways down the list on criteria UNLESS the same pol is running around telling people that they are morally superior to the rest of us and demanding we live by a moral code they themselves have no problems violating.

    In the wieners case he was sexting women who had not consented to his advances, that is a step lower into the swamp than simply having an affair. I was a huge fan of his attacks on the GOP nightmare but I really wanted him to just GTFO after this came to light because it would always be used against all Democrats and it really was a lapse I am not comfortable forgiving. No woman should have to put up with that shit

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    Amir Khalid says:

    This story has a list of artists it says have joined the Florida boycott. But it’s apparently to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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    Karen in GA says:

    @Betty Cracker: Thanks!

    I’m just imagining people going through this insanely rough time, seeing the link on the WordPress site under “addiction,” thinking my blog is about getting through all sorts of personal adversity, and instead they’re finding a couple of goofy haikus and a few cat pictures — including one of a particularly disappointed calico, which should tell readers all they need to know about me right there.

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    quannlace says:

    Poor nameless one should be staggering around on wobbly legs

    Yeah, I feel everytime I’ve had to do the same with my pets. Though with males it’s a bit simpler (snip*snip. Sorry, guys.) With females getting spayed they’re in the vets recovering for two days at least.

    Also, doesn’t John have a job? He’s got to spend some time on that sometime.

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    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: How awful! I’m guessing you aren’t allergic to them because you would know it by now. Any difficulty breathing? If so, call 911.

    WebMD says to remove the stinger by scraping with a fingernail or using tweezers. Ice can help with the swelling. General ice therapy is 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off, repeat. You can use frozen vegetables. Make sure you have some kind of cloth between your skin and the ice to protect the skin. For itchiness, it says to use an antihistamine or calamine lotion. Also, you can take ibuprofen or another anti-inflammatory.

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    Joshua James says:

    I want my shot at Twilight of the Elites…

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Its not unusual to have that kind of reaction, my mom used to get that. If you start to feel swelling in your arm pits, or light-headedness, or tightness in your chest or you ‘flush’ (turn red all over) you should be OK. If you have those other things get to the ER NOW! It wouldn’t hurt to go anyway depending on your insurance situation.

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    gussie says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Oh, is his assertion not true? That explains that, then!

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    burnspbesq says:


    This is one where reasonable people can draw the line in different places. I just don’t care about this. There are other things in Weiner’s legislative record that I do care about. If I were a New Yorker, I would have to think long and hard before voting for Weiner unless all of the alternatives suck.

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    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What is Epi-pen? Is that an OTC thing?

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    Not red or light-headed or short of breath. Just my hand hurts and is swollen (I’m sure one has something to do with the other). Just REALLY glad I took my rings off or I’d be on my way to a jeweler to get the damn things cut off.

    Little fucker just landed on my hand and stung me good. Can wasps sting more than once? I think this one did.

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    Schlemizel says:


    I have not seen wasps leave stingers like bees do. A wasp has no barb so they can withdraw it & sting again; for bees stinging is fatal. The barb leaves the stinger in & pulls out organs when the bee flys off. But you should check it anyway. With bees the nerves keep delivering toxin as long as they can even after they have been ripped out of the bee.

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    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: No, an epi-pen is a prescription medication. It’s a shot of epinephrine.

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    I have a cold pack in the freezer will try that … THANKS

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    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: The WebMD article also says to elevate the affected area if you can. Since it’s your hand, you should be able to do that. Get a table and pile some books or something on it and rest your hand/arm on that to keep it somewhat elevated. You can do the icing thing simultaneously.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Southern Beale:

    No, its Rx – its a self-injecting epinephrine rig.

    You could take benedril too – when you go to the ER those are the two things they give you, epi & benadril

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    Thomas says:

    I’m not sure I could conceive of anything less courageous than Dan Savage going on the Bill Maher Show to freak out the squares by talking about “inseminating his husband for God.” Yawn.

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    Yeah I don’t see a stinger but I think he got me more than once… I’ve been stung before and it’s never been this bad ….

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    EconWatcher says:


    Reasonable people can differ, no question.

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    JPL says:

    @Southern Beale: If you have benadryl, try that.

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    I’ve had it on my head… typing with one hand, hence typos….

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    Scout211 says:

    @Southern Beale:

    I had a scare a few weeks ago. One stung me on the end of my nose. Painful and after, my face looked very strange.

    I googled all the medical sites and most tell you to ice the swelling, take something like Benadryl “if you are allergic” and then wait for the swelling to go down. However, if you experience the “classic signs of severe allergic reaction” (stated several times in comments above) go to the ER.

    I iced my nose for most of the rest of the day and the swelling did go down several hours later.

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    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: The internet tells me that yes, wasps can sting more than once, unlike bees. Sorry that happened to you.

    The People’s Pharmacy says you can mix vinegar and baking soda into a paste, which can help with the stinging. And this article says to try an onion.

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    Violet says:

    In moderation for p h a r m a c y. Will try again:
    @Southern Beale: The internet tells me that yes, wasps can sting more than once, unlike bees. Sorry that happened to you.

    The People’s P h ar mac y says you can mix vinegar and baking soda into a paste, which can help with the stinging. And they also say to try a sliced onion.

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    Schlemizel says:

    I have no idea if I am allergic to bees & wasps or not. I am allergic to fire ants though & they are cousins. When in FLA I was stung on several occasions by the little bastards. Then one time I had the reaction & went to the ER. I know what Anaphylactic shock is & all its symptoms. I described them to the admitting nurse quiet clearly but she chose to focus on the tightness in my chest. They rushed me in and some clown set me up for an EKG . . . but he was not sure where the leads went & kept moving them around. He ran a strip & left. Minutes later a dr. comes in in a panic “HAVE YOU EVER HAD A HEART ATTACK? IS THERE A HISTORY OF HEART DISEASE IN YOUR FAMILY?” I got the nitro & other crap & was kept over night. The next day I was given a stress test & while running on the tread mill noticed the dr. there giving the EKG strip the fish eye. I asked him if it looked off & he asked why so I told him about the dummy that ran it. He looked up at me and said “You can get off that thing now” They sent me home – this was the norm for every medical event we had while I was in FLorida, quacks, losers and Caribbean med school drop out the whole lot of them

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    burnspbesq says:

    Haven’t seen this reported anywhere except one of my professional journals (which is behind a paywall), but apparently Darrell Issa is preparing to open a new front in his attempt to find a scandal in the way right-wing 501(c)(4)s have to deal with the regulatory apparatus.

    Apparently his knickers are in a twist because somebody (i.e., Barney Frank) lobbied the SEC to adopt a rule (against the recommendation of the commission staff) to require public companies to disclose their contributions to 501(c)(4)s.

    I really want to see Issa go one-on-two against Barney Frank and Mary Jo White. The blood will be ankle-deep when they’re done with him.

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    NotMax says:

    Southern Beale

    Old-time home remedy (which does help) is get a small amount of tobacco (non-mentholated), dampen it with saliva into a sort of paste, and slap that on the site of the sting like a tiny poultice and leave it there for 10 or 15 minutes. It really does draw out some of the nastiness.

    Best done soon after being stung, but can’t hurt to try it even though some time has passed. Has always been of benefit to me in cases of bee sting. Some people have told me that aloe vera will do the same thing, but have never tested that out.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @EconWatcher: Take Benedryl. If swelling continues, Epi-Pen. Don’t have an Epi-Pen — go to the emergency room. Also, take time later to discuss this with your GP in case you need an Epi-Pen. My mother had a serious reaction to a bee sting, and that led to bad shellfish allergies, anaphylatic shock to a medication, serious trouble.

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    David Koch says:

    @burnspbesq: but, but, but rachel maddow and blogs tell me Mary Jo White is an enemy of the people

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    Keith G says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Women have no agency at all? Thanks Dan.

    Ya know…I was thinking that Savager was making an overstatement (about and against men) for humorous effect as is part of his shtick

    But you do get the sense that he neither likes or respects women.

    How is that sense delivered?

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    Digital Amish says:

    I don’t always comment on Balloon Juice but when I do it’s for a free book.

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    quannlace says:

    Once while digging in my compost pile, got stung by a small host of yellow jackets nesting therein. Those fuckers are mean!

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    @Digital Amish: Hello, most interesting commenter.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Had an uncle who smoked from a young age until he had to use oxygen all the time and had one of those tag along tanks. He was smart enough to understand that oxygen and matches were not a good combo. He carted that tank for I think 3-4 years before he died. I saw him about a year before he died an he looked like he was at least 25 years older than he was. Them cigs is some good shit, no?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Southern Beale:
    First off IANAD. The following is my experience.

    I am strongly allergic to bee and wasp stings and have an epi pen(2 actually) but I’ve never had to use it. Benedryl and ice if done promptly usually does the trick. But then I haven’t been stung since ’76 and at that time Benedryl was also prescription so I went to the ER as needed.
    If in doubt, go to the ER. You won’t know your are allergic until you get stung and many don’t know. That’s what happened to me when I was 7. Got stung didn’t know what it was and by time I told my parents(about an hour later) that something was wrong, I was in deep shit. They took me to the ER, but I don’t remember all that happened there. But I got stung on my hip and have had arthritis there for decades. Now it is painful most every day.

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    Groucho48 says:


    I would have to think long and hard before voting for Weiner unless all of the alternatives suck.

    Pretty high double entendre level in that sentence.

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    Rorgg says:

    @Ted & Hellen: He’s strongly implied that it’s a flexible arrangement, and goes both directions.

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    Rorgg says:

    I can’t believe in a threat so much about Savage that no one’s even considered the possibility that it was okay with Wiener’s wife. They couldn’t SAY that out loud, because that makes them awful preverts and whatnot, but such arrangements DO exist.

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