Wang Dang Dickhead

Proving that there really is no bottom that teahadists and other assholes like Ted Nugent can hit, here is the Nuge sharing his deep thoughts about what should happen next in the Martin/Zimmerman case:

While there is little he can do to protect himself from a civil-rights charge by our gun-running, pro-New Black Panthers attorney general, Mr. Zimmerman may have some legal room to move regarding a wrongful death lawsuit by Trayvon Martin’s family. George Zimmerman should consider suing Trayvon Martin’s parents.

The narrative being spun by any number of media pundits, race-baiters and various excuse-makers is that Mr. Zimmerman shot down an unarmed minor. Although he was found not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter, let’s follow the narrative of those who believe Mr. Zimmerman killed a minor. And they are right, he did. Trayvon Martin was a minor at the time of this death. The basis for Zimmerman’s lawsuit should be that minor Trayvon Martin viciously attacked him causing great bodily harm and threatening his life, which resulted in Mr. Zimmerman defending himself and shooting Martin.

Trayvon Martin’s vicious attack on George Zimmerman and Martin’s tragic death have no doubt surely dragged Mr. Zimmerman through 18 months of untold emotional hell, pain, distress, anguish, fatigue, nightmares and financial ruin. Again, following the narrative of the pro-Trayvon media types and other race-baiters, if Trayvon Martin was a minor, then Trayvon Martin’s parents may be held liable for the emotional pain and suffering Mr. Zimmerman has been put through for the past 18 months, and surely for the rest of his life.

Parents can be held responsible for the actions of their minor-age children until the children reach the age of majority (meaning adulthood), which is exactly why Mr. Zimmerman should explore filing a lawsuit against Martin’s parents. The age of majority in Florida is 18-years-old. Trayon Martin was 17-years-old when he attacked Mr. Zimmerman, which potentially means that Trayvon’s parents may possibly be held responsible for the stress, emotional pain and anguish their son caused George Zimmerman.

He also calls Eric Holder the most racist attorney general in history, because as we know from several hundred years of our nation’s history, it’s black people who are the real racists.

189 replies
  1. 1
    celticdragonchick says:

    I wonder if the Zimmermans are really stupid enough to try this. They really might.

  2. 2
    Scott S. says:

    It’s a sign of our failure as a nation and as a moral people that we haven’t yet dragged the Nuge out of his home and forced compressed, liquified, super-heated fecal material down his throat until his body exploded.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    Nuge, you said you’d be dead or in jail by now. Stop making us wait.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @celticdragonchick:

    They’re already considering sanctions against the prosecutor’s office and basically calling for their total disbarment.

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    kc says:

    Satire is dead.

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    Watching Chris Christie vie for his endorsement is going to fun.

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik: I too think the prosecutors should be kicked out on their asses. For rank incompetence. I know I’m not the first to say it, but I haven’t seen a case thrown that badly since OJ.

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    max says:

    Proving that there really is no bottom that teahadists and other assholes like Ted Nugent can hit

    It’s wannabe fascist asswipes all the way down!

    max
    [‘Luckily, they don’t have the German army workin’ for ’em.’]

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    Yatsuno says:

    @The Other Chuck: Y U NO DED TED??

    Sheesh. Can’t trust a man to keep his word for nothing these days.

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    rikyrah says:

    eyebrows arched reading this.

    see the thing about assholes like this…

    they wouldn’t dare open their fucking mouths in a crowd of Black folks with this bullshyt.

    he’d still have freedom of speech..

    just take responsibility for what happens when you express that ‘speech’.

  11. 11

    Can we talk about your new pretty kitty instead?

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    Teddy's Person says:

    It’s so depressing that there is a not small number of Americans who buy the theory that Trayvon Martin viciously attacked Zimmerman. These people should be shunned by society.

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    Kay says:

    The basis for Zimmerman’s lawsuit should be that minor Trayvon Martin viciously attacked him causing great bodily harm

    I’m all for it. There’s no proof that Martin attacked him unprovoked besides George Zimmerman’s story and there’s absolutely no proof of great bodily harm. They can say it all they want. It isn’t there. It wasn’t required for FL self defense/SYG.

    I say they should take his legal advice. Let’s hear from George Zimmerman. Bring everybody in.

    Martin deserved a hearing. He didn’t get one.

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    Senyordave says:

    @Scott S.: It’s a sign of our failure as a nation and as a moral people that we haven’t yet dragged the Nuge out of his home and forced compressed, liquified, super-heated fecal material down his throat until his body exploded.

    Didn’t teh Nuge basically use a version of that to avoid the draft?

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    Misterpuff says:

    @kc: Shot down in self defense.

    I’ll be goddamned if you make me think. Better dead than well-read.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @The Other Chuck:

    Which is the complete opposite reason Zim’s lawyers want them gone, of course.

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    I think the nuge took DougJ’s master-troll seminar.

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    I only know that Ted Nugent exists because of Anthony Bourdain. That fawning fan boy act that Bourdain pulled in the episode featuring Nugent, made me take Bourdain less seriously afterwards.

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    Michele C. says:

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think Ted Nugent should clearly run for office as a Rethug. Guns, racism, he’s got it all.

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    Anton Sirius says:

    Poor Nuge, desperately clinging to the tattered remnants of his fame.

    At some point people will start ignoring him completely, and he’ll be on the rapid downslope to a shotgun suicide.

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    I keep waiting for Nuge to accidentally shoot himself in the face like so many of his fellow gun loonz do on a daily basis.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I was wondering why there was no link to Ted Nugent’s, um, opinions, and then I remembered I’d already thrown up once today.

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    greennotGreen says:

    So Zimmerman wasn’t convicted, in part because there was no eyewitness to the beginning of the altercation or the shooting, but Trayvon Martin could be convicted under those same circumstances? And the circumstances would be the same because Zimmerman didn’t testify, and Trayvon won’t be testifying either.

    Oh, wait…

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    Yatsuno says:

    @Michele C.: There was a draft Ted for President movement a month or so ago, but it fizzled out quickly.

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    David Hunt says:

    I’d love to believe that Ted Nugent’s behavior is an elaborate performance piece, but unfortunately I know better.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Scott S.: I’ve never thought of that particular remedy & I’ve daydreamed about as much as VDE on suitable punishments.

    Kudos!

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    gbear says:

    @Scott S.: I would like to sign on with your comment. It really is exactly what he deserves.

    (If I wasn’t at work, I’d post the scene from Brazil where the maintenance workers from Central Services get theirs)

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    Kay says:

    How old is Ted Nugent? Isn’t he ashamed of going after a 17 year old? A 17 year old who can’t speak in his own defense?

    Oh, right. None of them are.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Kay:

    He didn’t need a hearing. He got a trial, and was found guilty. Didn’t you hear? Zimmerman was found not guilty, therefore innocent, therefore Martin is guilty and at fault and deserved to die like the animal he was.

    (God help me, that’s all I hear for real on this and it’s fucking demoralizing).

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    RobertB says:

    @Senyordave: I read that he skipped bathing for a couple of weeks and acted like he was insane when he reported in. IIRC he was kind of proud of that.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    John, how is Captain Catnip doing? Has he been promoted to General Layabout?

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    furlyfly says:

    When Ball Juice Cole isn’t boring us with his cat blogs he’s doing his part to keep idiots like Nugent relevant. I sure as shit would not know or care what Mr. JailBait was up to otherwise. Heck of a job Ball Juice.

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    catclub says:

    @The Other Chuck: ” I haven’t seen a case thrown that badly since OJ. ”

    The Ted Stevens case, which they still won ( at least the first time) looked like they were throwing it, too.

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    Alesis says:

    Frequent lurker and infrequent commenter with a question. As a black person and a liberal to boot I am often perplexed as to how so many people “think” along the terms Nugent has outlined here.

    Has anyone here been a racial conservative once? What exactly is it like in that world which leads people to re-inteprate centuries of racial dominance and oppression as victim hood?

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    One of the worst aspects of this entire thing is the piling on by all the racist nutjobs. It’s awful that a teenager was shot and killed but the piling on now that Zimmerman was acquitted is just intolerable.

    Also, have you ever heard a person without race issues use the term “race baiter”?

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    Poopyman says:

    Why are you wasting my time with this fuckwad?

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Also, what’s the deal with your sudden intense use of the word “dickhead.” Do you find yourself fantasizing about dickheads?

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    Redshirt says:

    The Nuge is going to be in Portland, ME on 8/12 and I’m strongly considering standing outside with some snarky sign. What I wouldn’t give to get in a verbal altercation with this brave American.

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    KG says:

    If Zimmerman is smart (a very big “if”), he won’t file a lawsuit against Martin’s parents. If only because they would have the right to depose him, and he would have to answer the questions – he’s already been found not guilty, so he couldn’t claim the Fifth, and the questions would be magical:

    Did the 911 operator tell you not to follow Mr. Martin?
    Why did you ignore that direction?
    When you approached Mr. Martin, did you have your gun drawn?
    What basis did you have for assuming Mr. Martin had no right to be in the neighborhood?
    What, if any, law enforcement training do you have?
    What basis did you have for assuming Mr. Martin was engaged in unlawful or illegal activities?
    Why did you follow him?
    What did you say when you approached him?
    What did he say when you approached him?
    Did you try to restrain him or prevent him from leaving the scene?
    Why did you restrain him or try to prevent him from leaving the scene?

    That’s not a road he wants to go down.

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    zombie rotten mcdonald says:

    @Kay:

    As I understand it, Nugent has a history of going after 17 year olds.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Redshirt:

    Make sure you do not go alone. Have several friends…and pepper spray.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @furlyfly:

    Considering I’ve seen Nugget’s screed referred to glowingly at least twice today before this, you can’t exactly blame John for giving Nugget relevance. It’s the triumphant “FREEDOM TO BE RACIST AGAINST THE REVERSE RACISTS!” wave that’s arose from this bullshit trial that gives him relevance, because everyone’s allowing their freak flag to fly. Ignoring the re-normalization of this shit is a disservice.

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    Belafon says:

    Since white is not a race, being not white is very racist. Thus, being a black AG nominated by a black POTUS is the most racist of all.

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    Kay says:

    @The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik:

    I know! I cannot discuss this case here locally, because it will end badly. I’m meeting my 19 year old tonight (just to visit) and I think I can talk about it with him, but that’s all.

    The three of us should do a conference call. He doesn’t talk that much, so it’ll be mostly listening for him.

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    RobertB says:

    @Redshirt: What celticdragonchick said. It wouldn’t be the verbal altercation with Terrible Ted that’s the problem, it’d be the physical altercation with the drunken fans.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @KG:

    Discovery would be a nightmare for him I would suspect (as long as the lawyers were halfway competent, unlike the prosecution)

    All the same, Zimmerman was demanding that Black America should be apologizing to HIM this week. He may just go ahead and let his racial grievance flag fly.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Alesis:

    Has anyone here been a racial conservative once? What exactly is it like in that world which leads people to re-inteprate centuries of racial dominance and oppression as victim hood?

    Probably something similar to living in the Evangelical Christian persecution complex, I assume. They both seem to rise from the same ugly froth: positions of power threatened by a leveling playing field, perceived as a threat to the entitlements they consider normal. A terrifying, insulated, warped view that only grows more warped the more it’s exposed to the air.

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    JPL says:

    How’s the BOSS??????????????????

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    Redshirt says:

    @celticdragonchick: It’s Portland Maine – there will be plenty of other protestors out there. Also, I’m real good at fighting/getting beat up. It would be an honor.

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    👾 Martin says:

    @Yatsuno: How can we revive it? This is a plan I think we should all strongly support. Nuge sounds like the kind of guy you can have a beer with and will speak bluntly with voters. I think he’s got a shot in several states.

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    beltane says:

    @furlyfly: Sorry, but if you want to be a credible parody troll you’re going to have to try a lot harder than this.

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    johio says:

    It is against my principles to wish someone dead, however if he should accidentally neuter himself whilecleaning his gun, I would be happy.

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    KG says:

    @Alesis: never been a racial conservative, but from my interactions with people that have those kinds of perspective, there seems to be two basic dominant views:

    1. FU, I got mine
    2. I may be of lowly standing, but at least I’m better off than [insert racial group facing animus]

    In both cases, the idea that people less or worse off than you might rise to or above your station terrifies them because they will have to face their own inadequacies.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    It comes from the same place as “i have friends who are…’ and ‘I’m not racist, but….’ Unwieldy stock apologias that rarely get called out for the fig leafs they are.

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    The Red Pen says:

    I try to turn wingnuttery into entertainment — at least for myself, if not others — but sometimes even I can’t take any more of it.

    In these moments where I feel the abyss staring back into me I desperately hope that the right wing starts acting on everything they say — frequently and consistently. After a few years of chaos, and the subsequent “21st century Nuremburg trials,” the Republicans will finally have the power and status of the neo-Nazis they are transparently trying to be.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Kay: Remember Ted likes ’em young. That, and he has no shame. As they all don’t.

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    AxelFoley says:

    I’d love to kick the shit outta this old piece of shit bastard.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Kay:

    Bleh. Voice conferencing would be a disastrous thing on my part. Let’s just say that I tend toward text for a reason.

    @The Red Pen:

    You can only laugh to keep from crying so long before the laughs sound like sobs again.

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    scav says:

    To repeat myself, according to the received legal wisdom of B37, Trayvon Martin “played a huge role” in his own death. “When George confronted him … he could have walked away and gone home. He didn’t have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight.” So Trayvon is faulted exactly for not retreating, for standing what is clearly not his ground in her, the Zimms’ and the Nuge’s eyes.

    Although, even in FL, the Zimm might consider being smarter than the Nuge and quitting while he’s ahead (too late for attempting to shut up while he’s ahead).

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @greennotGreen: It must have happened that way. Because Martin wouldn’t be dead if it hadn’t happened.

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    matt says:

    nugent has money, why doesn’t he pay the lawyers for such a lawsuit? it’s in his power.

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    Redshirt says:

    @AxelFoley: That would be difficult, as he’s filled to the brim with shit. I doubt you could empty him of it.

    I’d like to give a shout out to whatever person in DC arranged for the Nuge to sit next to the gay right’s advocate during this past year’s SotU. It was a wonderful image.

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    burnspbesq says:

    I’m kinda thinking that an action by Zimmerman against Martin’s parents (for what? negligent infliction of emotional distress? is that even a cause of action in Florida?) wouldn’t survive a motion to dismiss and would get the idiot who filed it sanctioned.

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    bemused says:

    @Kay:

    He did “go after” another 17 year old in the past but it was his girlfriend. He couldn’t legally marry her so he convinced her parents to let him adopt her. He has no business talking about parental responsibility with his own history. And GOP presidential candidates have to suck up to this puke?

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    burnspbesq says:

    Thread needs Boss pix.

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    beltane says:

    @matt: If Nugent was the type of person who put his money where his mouth is, he’d either be dead or in jail as he once promised us.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @burnspbesq: You would think so. However, the victory dance by the defense team was so in-your-face that I wonder if they may not want to really go for the whole package and start an offensive action against the uppity negroes...

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    kindness says:

    And cases like this are the ones that make me sad that karma isn’t instant. With all due respect for John Lennon but sometimes it takes a few times around the wheel for that old karmic ribbon to catch up to you.

    But it will catch him some day, the FSM willing.

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    Michele C. says:

    @Yatsuno: That could renew my faith in humanity by a small fraction of a percentage point.

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    Peej says:

    @matt: how much money does he really have? He has a crapload of kids that he might have to support since he evidently doesn’t seem to believe in birth control. And all the guns and ammo are expensive.

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    Belafon says:

    @furlyfly: We try to ignore you and other trolls and you won’t go away. We have experience at this sort of thing you know.

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    Redshirt says:

    @beltane: That’s gonna be the gist of my snark sign.

    From Media Matters, quoting Ted Himself:

    Nugent told a gathered crowd at the NRA’s annual meeting in April 2012 that, “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. Why are you laughing? Do you think that’s funny? That’s not funny at all. I’m serious as a heart attack.” He concluded his remarks with a call for the audience to “ride into that battlefield and chop [Democrats] heads off in November.”

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    Kay says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Remember Ted likes ‘em young

    I heard something vague and I don’t even wanna know.

    The continued ferocity of this amazes me. He got off! Take your big win and pop the champagne corks! That’s not enough. They have to continue to smear him, day in, day out, although he can’t say a word in his own defense. Stand Your Ground, assholes. Tell yourselves you’re winning, although your opponent is silent. I think we have a good indication of what they consider a “fair fight”.

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    cckids says:

    @RobertB:

    I read that he skipped bathing for a couple of weeks and acted like he was insane when he reported in. IIRC he was kind of proud of that.

    He didn’t just stop bathing, he literally shit in his pants for 10 days or so, and yes, he was & is proud of that.

    Now, I don’t necessarily fault someone for trying to avoid the Vietnam draft, but after you do that, you don’t get to become a warmongering asshat full time without the rest of us pointing out what a douchecanoe you are.

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    JWL says:

    Lest We Forget: “Pretty cool, huh”?

    Presidential nominee Mitt Romney when announcing Nugent’s endorsement.

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    Kay says:

    @bemused:

    He couldn’t legally marry her so he convinced her parents to let him adopt her.

    If that’s true, it isn’t really on him or the parents, who are crazy people. It’s the fault of whatever county judge let that go forward, unless they all lied on the petition.

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    Scott S. says:

    @furlyfly: Speaking of people who need the explosive-boiling-reverse-enema treatment…

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    lamh36 says:

    Personally, I would rather talk about the Trayvon Martin’s family particurlarly his parents and how poised and calm and collected they have been in the face of basically the entire media, but mainly the political press allowing the Zimmermans and pro-Zimmerman sympathizers to demonize their dead child.

    Trayvon Martin’s parents shocked by verdict
    http://news.msn.com/crime-just.....by-verdict

    “We felt that the killer of our unarmed child was going to be convicted of the crime he committed,” Trayvon Martin’s dad Tracy said…

    On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Tracy Martin said he felt the jury did not get a chance to get to know the teen. “They didn’t know him as a human being,” he said.
    Martin’s parents said they still believe Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic, racially profiled their son.

    “Obviously, any time you have a person that makes an assumption that a person is up to no good, that’s some kind of profiling,” Martin said. “Was he racially profiled? I think if Trayvon had been white, this never would have happened.”

    Martin’s mother said she believes the verdict sends a “terrible message to other little black and brown boys.”

    “They can’t walk fast. They can’t walk slow. So what do they do? How do they get home without people assuming you are doing something wrong?,” Fulton said.

    Oh, and Matt Lauer should never be allowed to interview any damn body. He had the nerve to ask the Martin will they ever forgive Zimmerman. Trayvon parents had better composure than I would have and Sabrina Fulton (Trayvon Martin’s mother) had a good response to Lauer’s bullshit.

    “We sit on the side of the victims… Is this the intent for the justice system to have for victims,” Sybrina Fulton, Martin’s mother, said on the Today show Thursday morning. “Trayvon wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

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    lamh36 says:

    “We didn’t know details about the case. We knew some of them but some of the details came out in the courtroom as far as previous 911 calls and I think it was obvious that it was a black person, a black young person that they were looking for. But Trayvon simply was not that person. Trayvon was not a burglar. He wasn’t doing anything wrong. He simply went to the store and was headed back home. For somebody to look at him and to perceive him to be a burglar, that is the problem.”

    Trayvon’s Mother to Juror B37: “I Don’t Think She Knows Him”

    Also Heart-breaking, she’s still speaking of him as a “present” person, and not in the past tense.

    “”Trayvon is not a confrontational person. Instead of placing the blame on the teenager, we need to place the blame on the responsible adult. There were two people involved. We had an adult who was chasing a kid and we had a kid who I feel was afraid.””

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    IowaOldLady says:

    In counterbalance to Cheney and Nugent, I offer the words of Hunter S. Thompson, whose birthday it apparently is and who said this about self-respect and not counting on others to find your own happiness:
    “We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and — in spite of True Romance magazines — we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely — at least, not all the time — but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don’t see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness.”

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    Redshirt says:

    @cckids: Precisely. I don’t blame anyone for wanting to avoid Vietnam. But then to become a chickenhawk? Worse than tasteless.

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    lamh36 says:

    Oh and like I said before,Matt Lauer Can Suck It
    Trayvon Martin’s Parents Speak Out: ‘Still in Shock…Disbelief‘

    http://jezebel.com/trayvon-mar.....-824439185

    But the most cringe-worthy part? When Matt Lauer asked the grieving parents about George Zimmerman: “Your family’s faith — you rely on faith in hard times. Does your faith allow you to forgive George Zimmerman?”

    Mr. Martin replied:

    I think that the forgiveness is like a healing process. Forgiveness takes time. The bible says that you have to forgive and forget, but also the healing process is a long process. the forgiving process is a long process.

    Apparently this wasn’t enough; Lauer tried again to see if Martin and Fulton had any sympathy for Zimmerman, asking: “George Zimmerman’s attorneys say he’s facing death threats, he’s in hiding. Some are comparing his situation right now to Casey Anthony, who was cleared of murder charges for his daughter, who’s living in hiding and is an outcast. Do you think that’s what the system intends for someone who is acquitted of charges like these?”

    Seriously, though? For crying out loud. The man shot and killed their unarmed child and they’re supposed to be worried he might be an outcast?

    Luckily, Ms. Fulton had a perfect response:

    We don’t know about that, but what we do know is about the victims. We sit on the victims’ seat. Is this the intent for the justice system to have for victims? It’s sending a terrible message to other little black and brown boys that you can’t walk fast, you can’t walk slow. So what do they do? I mean, how do you get home without people knowing or either assuming that you’re doing something wrong? Trayvon wasn’t doing anything wrong.

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    Narcissus says:

    As a white guy I must be doing something wrong because I don’t get randomly attacked by black dudes at all

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @celticdragonchick:

    Considering the reaction by what seems like the most vocal half of the nation, they probably feel extra emboldened and confident they’d win and expose those uppity darkies what the score really is. And fuck, considering the way things are going, they might actually win too, which would only kill my faith in this country even more.

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    lamh36 says:

    Also BTW, the Trayvon Martin’s parents will be on for the whole hour of Rev Al’s Politics Nation.

    I know how so many of white liberals hate Rev Al as much as convservatives do, but this once might be a great time to tune into the show.

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    Redshirt says:

    @The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik: The Republic of Gilead is only a big crisis away. Never forget.

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    👾 Martin says:

    @Narcissus:

    As a white guy I must be doing something wrong because I don’t get randomly attacked by black dudes at all

    Black people can smell fear. That’s when they strike.

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    Applejinx says:

    Can we set things up so I can continue to vote for black EVERYTHING in American government? I’d like to replace Obama with another black President. Hell, with a black Veep as well. Though they’ll pry Bernie Sanders out of my cold dead hands before I look to replace him with anything.

    Quite serious. I’m white, and white rule is done. I will do anything to throw justice in the face of these flaming assholes and genocidal freakwads. It’s gonna get ugly and I refuse to be on the wrong side of this one in any way.

    Get ugly? It was ugly forty years ago. It’s gonna get obvious.

    Maybe we’ll get invaded by the UN on humanitarian grounds! Airlift black people out of, well basically their damn homes, for their own safety.

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    Belafon says:

    @Narcissus: Are you stalking them? Are you trapping them in some way?

    Cause if you’re not doing that, then you’re probably not going to get attacked. If you are doing that, then they are acting like any other rational human would by attacking you.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @lamh36: I saw that clip. Ms. Fulton was incredibly classy and composed, as she was on the stand. I probably would have said something like, “No, I don’t forgive him, you stupid fuck! He shot my unarmed child in the heart. I’d like to see him dipped in sulfuric acid, rolled in broken light bulbs, stuffed into a cannon and fired into a toxic waste dump.” Cathartic, perhaps. But Ms.Fulton handled it better.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Kay:

    That’s the thing. This has morphed into an all out assault on their perception of institutionalized REVERSE Racism. Remember how Zim’s lawyers claimed Zimmerman would never have been touched or prosecuted if he were black? They’re going after the prosecutor’s office because they’re claiming that Martin’s side of the story got coddled and the case was only made because, you know, Blacks are so fucking protected in this country.

    It’s all come down to showing “those shifty n-words’ their real place.

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    Redshirt says:

    @Narcissus: I’ve been attacked by black dudes. But I’ve also been attacked by white dudes and Hispanic dudes. Never had an Asian guy roll up on me, so by my anecdotal experience, Asians are the only people who aren’t potential assailants. Yet.

    EDIT – sorry, forgot I got pushed around in Hong Kong by two Asian dudes.

    All males are dangerous.

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    👾 Martin says:

    A shirtless man who took out a loaded gun at a U.S. Secret Service police booth outside the White House told officers, “I was only going to fire a couple of shots if no one confronted me,” according to court documents, NBCWashington reported Thursday.

    Christopher Wade Briggs was arrested Tuesday afternoon when officers saw him take a semi-automatic .45-caliber handgun from a backpack and attach it to his belt holster.

    Why are those jackbooted thugs depriving that nice man of his constitutional rights?

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    Belafon says:

    @Applejinx: I keep trying to think along similar lines: I’m white, and what the best way to blow up white rule and privilege?

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    bemused says:

    @Kay:

    It was actually legal guardian ship but who knows how Nugent and the parents got that to happen. Nugent did have a thing for underage teens.

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    👾 Martin says:

    @Redshirt:

    Never had an Asian guy roll up on me, so by my anecdotal experience, Asians are the only people who aren’t potential assailants.

    You’ve been attacked by Eskimos? Little people? Albinos? Conjoined twins?

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    RobertB says:

    @cckids: Thanks for the details of Ted’s draft avoidance. I think. :)

    I was a big fan of Ted way back when. This was well before he went Full Metal Wingnut. Setting Ted’s schtick aside, though, IMHO his music doesn’t age well.

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    Lex says:

    @The Other Chuck: The case was screwed from the moment the Sanford PD arrived and treated the crime scene as if Zimmerman HAD to be telling the truth, rather than approaching it disinterestedly, if Zimmerman, Martin or some third party might be at fault, which is what you’re supposed to do. Let the evidence drive your conclusions, don’t let your conclusions determine (even unconsciously) what evidence you do or do not look for.

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    Redshirt says:

    @👾 Martin: Heh. I did get in some small trouble with a group of dwarves, once. :)

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Redshirt:

    sorry, forgot I got pushed around in Hong Kong by two Asian dudes.

    Jackie Chan and a baby doesn’t count as two dudes, and besides, it was your own fault for cornering him in that ladder factory.

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    MakeMeAnOffer says:

    @Peej:

    And most of them are illegitimate too. One of the mothers even took him to court a few years ago because he wasn’t current on child support. Obviously his wife doesn’t care because he has cheated on her numerous times and has had babies with several of the mistresses.

    And Nugent, in the past, has had the gall to lecture black men on making children and not supporting them.

    We have a lazy, sloppy media that kisses Nugent’s ass every time he is on TV and won’t take his bigoted, hypocritical ass to task.

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    catclub says:

    @lamh36: I don’t watch any TV shows of that type, but I have heard that the Rev Al of today is a lot different than the Rev Al of the 1980’s, which we white folks may misremember. Hoocoodanode?

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    El Tiburon says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Can we talk about your new pretty kitty instead?

    Oh yeah –

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    Johnnybuck says:

    @Kay: I think some of them really need to vilify Martin because they know, at least sub-consciously, that what happened to him was wrong. They need to convince themselves of his criminality in order justify their own racism. The verdict, such as it was, is simply not satisfying enough because it hinges on the interpretation of the law rather than some sense of right/wrong justice. I think many of them would have preferred a guilty verdict (and might have even expected it) because it feeds their outrage/narrative more than an acquittal.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    Huh. It could work. It would be risky as hell, and it’s not a legal stratagem I would try for all kinds of reasons, but it could work. It is far more likely to backfire with a countersuit that Trayvon’s family would stand a decent chance of winning. But you can just never tell, the wrong judge or jury and you’re fucked.

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    Chris says:

    @Alesis:

    Never been a racial conservative, but as far as I can tell, it’s the same as most conservatives. They live in a world that’s so sheltered that the worst thing they’ve ever felt or even witnessed racially is themselves being called (usually correctly) a racist… An enormous echo chamber telling them that “this is the kind of racism nobody talks about! Everyone cares about black people’s feelings, but no one cares about yours!” takes those experiences and blows them out of all proportion into the ridiculous thing you see on Fox News.

    Having gone to Howard University a couple times a week for classes for an entire year, then worked in an office where literally everyone other than me (and the boss) was black, and never been “called a racist,” “had the race card played against me” or whatnot in that entire time, it’s kind of hard for me to escape the conclusion that if black people said you were being racist, it might just be because it’s true.

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    Michele C. says:

    @The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik: @Alesis: Well, I grew up in Michigan (mostly), where the Nuge still actually gets onto the radio regularly, so I’ve seen people like this up close.

    First, some of it is based in the reality that their economic reality has gotten worse. White people with no education can no longer count on working as a janitor at Ford for the equivalent of $40,000-60,000/year in current wages (depends on whether you use CPI, labor costs, or income-index of per-capita GDP). So, they see one group or another as stealing this from them (blacks, immigrants, foreign auto workers). However, honestly, the difference between median black wages and median white wages during that time have only very slightly closed (BLS data), so we’re all doing worse. But I’m guessing here that most don’t bother researching BLS data before forming their opinions.

    The other thing that I see is the usual being “better” than someone that @KG brought up. And, lately, I notice that their are a lot of rich people who see the benefit in getting the non-rich to fight amongst themselves and I can imagine it was always so. If we focus on how the other is getting more than us, we don’t notice that the rich actually have it all. Hence, the teachers are bad or the unions or the blacks or the immigrants or the … and we fight against that instead of the system making us all poorer.

    Also, honestly, someone like the Nuge *really* is a racist moron, so he honestly hates people not like him and is afraid of them and doesn’t think they should have rights. So, if they do, that’s wrong and bad and scary. It’s horrifying.

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    Redshirt says:

    @Chyron HR: Jackie Chan counts as 5 dudes. He’s a legit martial artist.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    @Johnnybuck: Interesting. I’ll bet you’re right.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Redshirt:

    All males are dangerous.

    This.

    Speaking as a trans woman, I can say that I have (once) been threatened by black males, although I have found that they typically try to chat me up if they notice me and if I bothered to wear a nice skirt or some such. I take the policy that compliments are always welcome.

    The assholes who reaaly, really scared me at a bus stop in Indianapolis? Drunk white frat boys. I started carrying a knife in my purse after that incident.

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    gbear says:

    @Redshirt: Ahh, but have you ever been attacked by a heterophobe?

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Redshirt:

    Jackie Chan counts as 5 dudes. He’s a legit martial artist.

    While Chan deserves mad respect, Jet Li was trained by the Shao Lin. Duuuuuuuuuuude.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Redshirt:

    All males are dangerous.

    …said someone who apparently doesn’t know about Stephen Hawking.

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    Kay says:

    @Johnnybuck:

    I agree. It’s not enough that Zimmerman be cleared of the charges, Zimmerman had to be RIGHT when he profiled and followed Martin. Martin WAS a (latent) criminal! Just as they suspected. I have never in my life seen a school suspension listed like it’s a felony.
    “Ten day suspension from school!” Really? That’s the “criminal history”?

    I think there’s a reason for the exaggeration of the injuries, too, but that’s more complicated.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Kay: Not to mention the numerous attempts to prove that skittles and ice tea are primary components of some new fashion drug.

    Seriously. Some of the idiots at third stringer Rod Dreher’s blog were on about how he was engaged in felony drug dealing and fabrication by buying candy and tea.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    nugent has money, why doesn’t he pay the lawyers for such a lawsuit? it’s in his power.

    @matt: He has barely enough money to pay his property taxes, ammo bills, and to be able to take his fifth-rate band out on the road every year to keep that ever-shrinking money stream coming in. He’s managed his money better than most musicians – he ain’t broke – but he’s not rich either.

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    gbear says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    John, how is Captain Catnip doing? Has he been promoted to General Layabout?

    Hopefully he won’t get promoted straight up to Major Catastophe.

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    Redshirt says:

    @The Red Pen: I’m generalizing. But in generalizing, what percentage of murders are committed by males? What percentage of assaults? 90%? 95%?

    We need the Matriarchy, like yesterday.

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    That guy really sucks hard. Oh, and I really love how he says that the asshole who scammed $500,000 out of brainless dolts for his “legal defense fund” is hard up for money. I don’t know, for all I know he did spend that money on lawyers, but if he did, then I have a hard time seeing how he could be in such sorry shape that I should feel bad for him.

    Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, there’s another big thing Zimmerman has going for him that Trayvon Martin doesn’t, namely that he’s still alive. Only to a conservative would it make any sense that the guy who shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old and got off on all charges is the one who got the worse deal.

    Why won’t Nugent make good on his promise and either die or go rot in jail somewhere? Oh, yeah, again, I almost forgot: he, like pretty much every other conservative asshole, is a pussy of infinite dimension.

    @Kay:
    And of course he was a criminal, even if only, as you point point out, a latent one. I mean, hey, after all, they all are, aren’t they? Really, now, show me just one of them who ever measured up to anything.

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    beltane says:

    This New Yorker essay about a Eudora Welty short story about a racist murderer told in the first-person is really worth reading http://www.newyorker.com/onlin.....ummer.html Some things never change in this country.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Red Pen:
    The one time I saw Stephen Hawking up close, he was wearing Doc Martens. Everyone knows, only skinheads and hooligans wear Doc Martens.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    Trolling/Trawling with red meat for the know nothing reactionary BJ base again, John?

    Well done!

    Page clicks will soar, ad revenue spike.

    YAY

    If Trayvon had not been in the neighborhood that night, none of this would have happened, so I think Nugent, as psycho as he is, kind of has a point.

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    Redshirt says:

    @gbear: Not that I know of! Or can recall – too many concussions, I fear.

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    LAC says:

    @beltane: I know… I have offered rides to all the loons who wanted to leave the country if Obama was reelected and to assist with all the promised suicides and still no takers. Nugent and the rest of them are still here still spewing shit.

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    LAC says:

    @Ted & Hellen: I think that you should go back to sexually abusing your dog and obey that 50 feet away from a school yard ordinance, m’kay? You have enough on your plate without trying to join the Aryan resistance too

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    Redshirt says:

    @The Red Pen: Did not know that about Jet Li. Thanks! That is an awesome pedigree.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Redshirt:

    I’m generalizing. But in generalizing, what percentage of murders are committed by males? What percentage of assaults? 90%? 95%?

    I guess I could look it up, but let’s agree it’s the lion’s share.

    We need the Matriarchy, like yesterday.

    I’m not at all convinced that would help, but we could certainly use some kind of cultural shift. I’m pessimistic. As many point out, America is a country full of people who call themselves Christian and yet love war, hate peacemakers and enjoy watching the poor suffer.

    I’m convinced that people sport the “WWJD” (What would Jesus Do?) slogan because they are genuinely unaware of what Jesus would do.

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    Redshirt says:

    @The Red Pen: Hey, we’ve had about 8000 years of Patriarchy. That’s a big enough sample size – endless war, violence, greed, hate, etc. I’m willing to roll the dice with a Matriarchy.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @The Red Pen:

    It’s Jesus vs. “JEEZUS”.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @LAC:

    Thanks!

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    Kay says:

    @celticdragonchick:

    I think the drug running and gun crimes tall tale came from the brother. Who may be (understandably!) searching desperately for a motive for why the hell Martin would attack Zimmerman other than “the obvious criminality of all Black teenagers” which is all they got presently.

    Maybe he realized this story doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. “Add drug dealing! Add gun running!”

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    👾 Martin says:

    @The Red Pen: 96% of mass shootings are committed by males.

    (Just did my active shooter training.)

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    scav says:

    Matriarchy? Headed by Liz C., Wasilla Starbursts, Crazy-Eyed Bach and rising star B37? Or Lady Thatcher for those with nostalgic cross-puddle tendencies. Beware of simple “solutions”.

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    👾 Martin says:

    @scav:

    Matriarchy? Headed by Liz C., Wasilla Starbursts, Crazy-Eyed Bach and rising star B37? Or Lady Thatcher for those with nostalgic cross-puddle tendencies. Beware of simple “solutions”.

    Not relevant. You’re looking at women that are evaluated for fitness for jobs that are still considered to be men’s jobs – that require action, sacrifice over compassion, support. Congress is still considered the war-making part of government, not the poverty-avoiding.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Kay:

    I’m pretty sure the claims of ‘drug dealing’ and ‘looking for guns’ poisoned the well a good while before the brother decided to echo them. He’s just the asshat who persisted on that explanation even after the trial to continue Trayvon’s prosecution after the fact.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    If Trayvon had not been in the neighborhood that night, none of this would have happened, so I think Nugent, as psycho as he is, kind of has a point.

    Ted Nugent does not have even “kind of” a point. I know you are willfully refusing to understand this just to piss people off, but here it is again: Trayvon Martin, who was staying with his father, had every right to be in that neighbourhood. The presence of a trigger-happy neighbourhood watch volunteer was not his fault, nor was it something he could have known about and avoided.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Mr. Zimmerman has already evinced his reluctance to testify under oath. For that reason, I doubt he’ll take Nugent’s advice.

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    Svensker says:

    @Kay:

    I agree. It’s not enough that Zimmerman be cleared of the charges, Zimmerman had to be RIGHT when he profiled and followed Martin. Martin WAS a (latent) criminal! Just as they suspected.

    I also get the component of “this is the Most Awesomest Country Evah and if you say there is racism and bad things (except for liberals being traitors) then it can’t be true! Because awesomeness! Awesomest Country Evah can’t have racism, therefore, those who say it does are Bad People. “

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    scav says:

    @👾 Martin: nope, not exactly, I’m claiming the right for all women to be fully human and participate in the full range of Human potential for shittiness, and not relegated to the hallmark pedestal and ghetto of biologically-determined “niceness” and “mothering instinct”. It’s a cheap and easy stereotype and heuristic.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik says:

    @Svensker:

    I also get the component of “this is the Most Awesomest Country Evah and if you say there is racism and bad things (except for liberals being traitors) then it can’t be true! Because awesomeness! Awesomest Country Evah can’t have racism, therefore, those who say it does are The Real Racists.

    Fixed that for you.

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    Redshirt says:

    @scav: I realize it can be a sexist argument, but I agree with Martin’s take. Women leaders today are emulating male roles, because they have to – that’s the only way they could ever get near power. One assumes in a true Matriarchy (has there ever been one?), there would be substantially different codes of ethics and behaviors. Morality itself would be different – unless you believe men and women – and moreso, male and female – are exactly the same in every regard.

    This is all hypothetical, of course. I have no idea what a Matriarchy would be like – if you were cynical, you could say it would be as violent, greedy, and hateful as the Patriarchy.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Trayvon Martin, who was staying with his father, had every right to be in that neighbourhood.

    Ummm, GZ kind of…lives there.

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    catclub says:

    @gbear: Also, Colonel Panic.

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    scav says:

    @Redshirt: I just don’t believe a sprinking of Matriarchical sparkles is going to pull the politics out of a political system. If you’re hoping for the substitution of societal values for those you hypothesize as “matriarchical” that’s something different – that’s a change in societal values and the outies are just as likely to play the game using those rules as the innies. Some of the matriarchial groups I read about years ago were matriarchical exactly because the men were usually away all the time fighting (a warrier caste in Northern? India is the one I most remember.)

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    Shakezula says:

    The Nugget knows all about minors, especially how to acquire one.

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    Kathleen says:

    @lamh36: Matt Lauer is a tool. 99% of the MSM (including the local propatainment bots) are tools and enablers of racism. They’re worst than Fox, because they try to appear “objective” with their “both sides” crap. My friends think I’m crazy because I loathe the media so much.

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    jayjaybear says:

    @Ted & Hellen: Aaaand? That doesn’t cancel out Trayvon’s right to be there. It’s not like Trayvon wandered into the neighborhood randomly…he was staying with his father, who lived there, too.

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    LAC says:

    @Amir Khalid: that dumbass is not willfully misunderstanding anything. Other than how witty he thinks he is.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    So if someone shot and killed one of your daughters if she went out to run an errand while she was visiting you, you would accept “Well, she doesn’t live in the neighborhood” as a valid reason for killing her?

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    Chyron HR says:

    @jayjaybear:

    So, obviously the neighborhood’s draconian HOA regulations required Zimmerman to kill Martin. GZ IS THE REAL VICTIM HERE, MAN.

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    rikyrah says:

    @bobkealing
    Breaking: Sanford police confirm Dept of Justice placing a hold on all evidence from the #Zimmerman trial including his gun.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Trayvon Martin’s vicious attack on George Zimmerman and Martin’s tragic death have no doubt surely dragged Mr. Zimmerman through 18 months of untold emotional hell, pain, distress, anguish, fatigue, nightmares and financial ruin.

    I see Nugent is making the same excuses that drivers make for other drivers every time a bicyclist is killed. But the driver of the car will feel terrible for the rest of his/her life, so there’s no reason to make them go to jail, too, just because they killed someone!

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    @Ted & Hellen:

    So if a black guy lives in a neighborhood and a 28 year old manchild with a hardon for playing Dirty Harry lives there, too, then that means the black guy (and his guests) no longer have any right to be there? I ask this sincerely, as I’m trying to understand what the hell you’re trying to tell us. I know I’m giving you credit you don’t warrant by assuming you’re telling us this shit in good faith, but, well, surprise me. Surprise all of us.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Ted & Hellen:
    How does Zimmerman living in the neighbourhood take away any part of Trayvon’s right to visit his own father there?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @AxelFoley:

    Only if I get to help.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @gbear:

    Major Catastrophe ranks in between Captain Catnip and General Layabout.

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    ruemara says:

    @Belafon: Register as many black and brown people to vote as possible and make arrangements to help them get out and vote for every election. Be the subversive you were meant to be, Vote.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @jayjaybear:

    Assuming statements I didn’t make, thanks.

    I was replying to someone who made your exact point as though Trayvon’s right to be there means…what?

    Did someone say he had no right to be there?

    My comment about Trayvon not being born went over your head. It’s a reference to the “if GZ hadn’t gotten out of the truck none of this would have happened…” trope. So? He had every right to get out of his truck. And no, the dispatcher never told him not to, let alone “ordered” him to do anything.

    I just try to keep the discussion toward fact instead of fantasies, whether they be from the insane far right through Ted Nugent or the self-trolling center right thru John Cole Servant of Boss.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    You are insane. That comment is completely unresponsive to anything I have said.

    You are as you have always been here, an idiot.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    How does Zimmerman living in the neighbourhood take away any part of Trayvon’s right to visit his own father there?

    Don’t as me. Ask the commenter above who first said Trayvon had every right to be there as though anyone here had suggested otherwise.

    You folks are weird.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    You are insane.

    Someone is projecting.

    Again.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @ruemara:

    Be the subversive you were meant to be, Vote.

    omg.

    lol

    The establishment Dems luuuuuuurv them some folks like you.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    Villago: No, I will not have sex with you. Quit stalking me.

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    Kay says:

    @Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    I had this discussion here where I’m supposed to be grateful he’s a volunteer. But I don’t buy that, either.
    He’s horrible at that job. Why would I care that he isn’t paid for it?
    Do you really have to specify to volunteers “first do no harm”?
    The goal should be “everyone survives your volunteer effort”, at a MINIMUM.

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    gbear says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Oops. Sorry. My actual military experience is less than zero.

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    @Ted & Hellen:

    What, really, is your reason for spewing all this bullshit? Are you a parody? If so, you need to work on your act. Are you for real? I find that hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that anybody could seriously take Jerry Sandusky’s side. Most of the other shit you spray is more believable, if not reasonable. But I don’t get it. You say asinine things, and then when people react to them the way normal people would, you wiggle and squirm your way out of this interpretation or that interpretation by haggling over which word meant this and which word meant that, getting into the weeds of semantics. It’s like these assholes who are always saying how awful doctors who do abortions are, that they’re mass murderers, that they’re as bad as or worse than the nazis and on and on, and then when some nut snaps and does what they’re clearly agitating for and kills somebody, they backpedal and moan that, oh, no, they never meant for anybody to die, no, no,
    no.

    Bear in mind, I’m not likening you to these assholes, only bringing up that some of your tactics are much alike. So what is the point of all this assholishness?

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Ted & Hellen: Ummm… you continue to display your ignorance.

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    ruemara says:

    @Ted & Hellen: Sociopath who needs some attention says what?

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Yes, I suspect little Teddy believes himself to be quite clever and wise. He’s clever enough to spew just enough nonsense of a head-turning variety that he stirs things up around here and we give him the gratification he so desperately seeks (as I am doing now). Maybe Daddy didn’t go to his Little League games; maybe Momma didn’t praise his every bowel movement.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Ted & Hellen:
    You suggested otherwise in your comment #144, by offering “GZ … lives there” as a rejoinder to me pointing out that Trayvon had every right to be in that neighbourhood.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I don’t offer any theories on the source of the troll’s florid psychosis. But I do recognize some of the dissembling on semantics from sad Internet crank Bob Somerby, who had interesting insights on media bias circa 1998-2000 and now spends much of his time shouting “GET OFF MY LAWN” at Rachel Maddow.

    Somerby has taken up the “Zimmerman wuz smeared” cause with a vengeance, devoting paragraph after tedious paragraph to calling out dastardly, world-shattering media lies, such as “Zimmerman was told to stay in the truck and not follow Martin.”

    According to Somerby, it’s veddy-veddy significant that the dispatcher said, “We don’t need you to do that” when informed by Zimmerman that he was pursuing Martin, rather than something more direct, like, “Don’t follow him.” And it matters a great deal that the dispatcher said this after Zimmerman had exited the truck rather than before. Why? Because shut up, that’s why.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I think he’s completely insane and wrong about nearly everything in this case, but I do like reading him on other things.
    I’m fascinated by that obsessive quality he has.
    How many posts on the word “following” do you think?
    I thought he made a real breakthrough when he finally fucking admitted Zimmerman was following Martin, but he moved RIGHT to ” in the car or on foot?”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    You are insane. That comment is completely unresponsive to anything I have said.

    And, yet, oddly, at least 6 different commenters had the exact same response to your comment.

    Perhaps you need to work on your writing skills since at least 6 different people all thought you meant that Zimmerman had a better right to be there than Martin did, which you are now trying to claim was totally not what you meant to say. So what were you trying to say if that wasn’t it?

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Ultimately disappointing, though, because his eventual end to those 5 zillion posts is that he completely bought Zimmerman’s story, and Martin attacked Zimmerman because …latent violence unleashed.
    Which is what every other old white male pundit concluded.
    I was hoping for something more original after the 5000 post build-up :)

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    lojasmo says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    He fucking lived there, you motherfucking know- nothing “artist’.

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    John Weiss says:

    Ted Nugent is insane. In my humble opinion. Why does anyone listen to him?

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    You’re one of the know nothing fools. You are a tragic mirror image of the know nothing fools among the right wingers you mock.

    And you’re too stupid and tribal to admit it.

    Actual words and actual facts and actual timelines of events actually matter in a criminal trial, Bitter Betty Bumbles. Somerby mocks the blog click whores like you who say otherwise (we don’t need no stinkin’ FACTS!) and it hits a nerve with you, which is why you don’t like his writing.

    The fact that you say otherwise is more evidence of how stupid you are.

    But carry on, closet racist who has never said the n****r word not once in her whole cracker southern white life. Oh no, not ever.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @John Weiss:

    Well…center right internet trolls like Cole listen to him so they can repeat his words on their blogs to throw as red meat to their know nothing base, and then you all can pretend to be outraged and offended and…stuff.

    You’re welcome.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    Scroll, scroll, scroll….

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    LAC says:

    @Ted & Hellen: you can fuck off anytime…really. Thank you…you’re welcome…no really….take care….

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @lojasmo:

    He fucking lived there, you motherfucking know- nothing “artist’.

    The habit of adding random obscenities as qualifiers to your droolings does nothing to increase their coherence.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @LAC:

    weak. Try harder.

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    Li says:

    @The Red Pen: Obviously you don’t know Stephen Hawking. We once got into an argument over the quantum nature of macro-molecular reality and the possibility that the perceivable world may be in a probabilistic flux that is too rapid to be regularly perceived, and that SOB ran me over! I was sore for weeks!

    j/k

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    Li says:

    @Redshirt: We had Matriarchy before that. At this point, it was too long ago to remember it’s horrors. But I think we can do better than to have either sex oppress the other.

    What I want is equality. Balance between the hard and soft, the yin and yang. A world that nurtures with love, and confronts challenges with honor.

    What I want is peace, at long last.

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    PanurgeATL says:

    @The Red Pen:

    We TRIED to have “some kind of cultural shift” about forty years ago, but everyone wussed out. Now most guys (no matter the race, sexual preference, or politics) are playing More Crewcut Hippie-Basher Than Thou because the hip consensus decided the right thing to do in 1977 was to make playing “yeah but” to Reagan and Thatcher cool and hip. It’s been going on ever since then, and yet liberals keep wondering why everything keeps getting worse in that regard.

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