Other than that, Mr. Kristol, what do you think of Rand Paul?

You may have heard about this:

(Rand) Paul hired Jack Hunter, 39, to help write his book The Tea Party Goes to Washington during his 2010 Senate run. Hunter joined Paul’s office as his social media director in August 2012.

From 1999 to 2012, Hunter was a South Carolina radio shock jock known as the “Southern Avenger.” He has weighed in on issues such as racial pride and Hispanic immigration, and stated his support for the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln.

Steve M makes a good point:

The most interesting aspect of the story is the source: the Washington Free Beacon, run by Palin apologist and Bill Kristol son-in-law Matthew Continetti….

I think the Beacon feels free to go after Rand not because of the racism, but because a publication run by Bill Kristol’s son-in-law is inevitably going to be very, very skeptical of people with isolationist tendencies, even if they’re not absolute. I strongly suspect that if Rand were a hawk, this story wouldn’t have run.

I’m not a big fan of the Pauls. I agree with Ron’s critique of American foreign policy to some extent but the family’s been in bed with racist, anti-Semitic loonies too long for me to ignore. Also too, I get sick of Glenn Greenwald and Young Conor telling me I’m a hypocrite for not liking them more.

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  1. 1
    LittlePig says:

    Young Rand associating with racists?! Gracious, what will Old Dr. Liberty think of his wayward spawn!

  2. 2

    Why do we care about the Pauls? Ron Paul stood apart in the crazy clown parade of GOP presidential hopefuls because of his foreign policy views. To me at least the younger Paul doesn’t really stand apart from the other GOP crazies. YMMV.

    ETA: Fashion Advice: Needs to get a better wig.

  3. 3
    catclub says:

    @LittlePig: Crazy Uncle Liberty. Mind your Pierce-isms.

  4. 4
    catclub says:

    Interesting that the auto-generated ad to see Ron Paul lists Krauthammer, arch neo-con, as well as other less well known, crazy people.

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    @schrodinger’s cat: Because a lot of people take them seriously, both on the right and on the left.

    It again doesn’t really surprise me that they’re in bed with neo-Confederates. There is a pretty strong strain of State’s rights that exists within libertarianism, and I’ve often heard Lincoln compared to a tyrant and the start of the demise of the small government Republic that was believed to have existed.

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    @catclub: I think his general rule about them is also spot on: if you talk to them or their supporters, they sound perfectly reasonable and sane for 5 minutes. Then things take a quick turn into a brick wall of crazy.

  7. 7
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    That’s interesting, I was a little confused about this being in the Beacon. I’m a little surprised this guy got hired, not by Rand hiring him. Fancy degrees or no, I’ve always thought his elevator didn’t go all the way to the top floor, but I’ve just assumed there’s some Rove or Lindsey Graham eminence grise type guiding his (I still think futile) presidential ambitions and watching out precisely for shit like this, given Pappy’s newsletter and Rand’s belief that lunch counters should be allowed to discriminate.

  8. 8
    Anoniminous says:

    A plague on both their houses.

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    @Comrade Dread:

    Because a lot of people take them seriously, both on the right and on the left.

    On the intertoobz, yes, IRL I don’t know. To me, they come across as cranks. Their appeal seems very gender specific.

  10. 10
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    It’s amazing how, by sheer cosmic coincidence, the non-racist, only-concerned-with-the-size-of-government Paul family has managed to attract so many anti-Semites, neo-confederates, white supremacists, and other such characters as valued friends and advisors. Man, some guys just can’t catch a break, you know?

  11. 11
    Baud says:

    Also too, I get sick of Glenn Greenwald and Young Conor telling me I’m a hypocrite for not liking them more.

    I don’t even see how that’s plausibly hypocritical.

  12. 12
    Bobby Thomson says:

    Also too, I get sick of Glenn Greenwald and Young Conor telling me I’m a hypocrite for not liking them more.

    Why would that make you a hypocrite? You support civil rights.

  13. 13
    max says:

    Also too, I get sick of Glenn Greenwald and Young Conor telling me I’m a hypocrite for not liking them more.
    Weigel:

    Much fuss was made during the Rand Paul filibuster that the other senators who rolled in were mostly Republicans. (The only Democrat was Wyden.) This letter contains 22 Democratic signatures and four from Republicans Mark Kirk, Mike Lee, Lisa Murkowski and Dean Heller. According to Paul’s office, the senator “didn’t think it went as far as it should” and wasn’t comfortable signing the letter when his changes weren’t adopted.

    Brave brave Sir Rand, bravely ran away. (‘I did not!’)

    That said,
    Other than that, Mr. Kristol, what do you think of Rand Paul?

    I not only get tired of hearing from Brave Conor about the wonders of Paul, I also get sick of ‘moderate liberals’ or ‘centrists’ or ‘moderate Republicans’ telling me that I should like Bill Kristol *better* because human rights/immigration/somesuch BS. Kristol is a ratfucking racist fascist, and Rand is (pseudo-) libertarian racist, and the correct answer is ‘attack them both directions’.

    max
    [‘Thank you for your attention.’]

  14. 14
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I think The Village thinks he’s a front runner for GOP ’16, which pretty much goes along with your gender specificity argument, and I think you could add in race specificity (“my son Josh says he has a huge following at Sub Ivy U!”). I think he will be, like Santorum, headache for whoever the front-runner(s) are.

  15. 15
    scav says:

    A Paul/Palin ticket could presumably be a national zipper ticket, with the South and Frozen Northland declaring their Independence from the rest of the Nation in a bid for True ‘Founding Father’s Freedom, all the while invoking the mythical ‘mercan Heartland. Party of Secessionists: no wonder they’re bananas — they’re all trying to peel away. (Perry is playing 3rd fiddle in the same orchestra.)

    Hang Separately.

    Thinking more, the Zipper Ticket also shows a more than lurid interest in what happens behind the zippers of da gheyz and wimminz . . .

  16. 16
    dedc79 says:

    I hope for the day when the Pauls will be taken about as seriously as Lyndon LaRouche.

  17. 17
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @max:

    … I also get sick of ‘moderate liberals’ or ‘centrists’ or ‘moderate Republicans’ telling me that I should like Bill Kristol *better* because human rights/immigration/somesuch BS.

    That can’t be the Bill Kristol who predicted that the war in Iraq would last two months. Not the Bill Kristol who worked so diligently to sell the McCAin campaign on Sarah Palin. No way.

    They must mean the other, other Bill Kristol. You know; the one without the the big black rubber shoes, red putty nose, and the seltzer bottle.

  18. 18
    Zifnab says:

    @max: We had Howard Dean pulling this shit with the PPACA bill, trying to whip up a stubborn minority within the House to kill the bill because it didn’t go far enough. I generally like Howard Dean, but its times like that when I’m glad he didn’t become President. The President is a centrist by necessity. Otherwise, he doesn’t get any legislation he actually likes.

  19. 19
    JWL says:

    ..”I get sick of Glenn Greenwald and Young Conor telling me I’m a hypocrite for not liking them more”.

    That’s pretty much how I feel about being called politically naive by knee jerk supporters of Obama when criticizing the president.

  20. 20
    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    See, it’s okay to be a white supremacist; as long as you observe the forms and speak the right shibboleths with the right accent.

  21. 21
    Bobby Thomson says:

    @JWL: Are you a Pauline?

  22. 22

    Civility, people!

    You Can Now Buy Your Own Bleeding Gun Control Lobbyist For Target Practice

    WASHINGTON — For $89.95, you can shoot Virginia Tech shooting victim-turned anti-gun violence advocate Colin Goddard in the face.

    And Goddard’s not happy about it.

    Goddard noticed Tuesday that Zombie Industries — creator of controversial “bleeding” shooting targets like “The Ex,” a woman in lingerie, and “Rocky,” a green zombie that looks a lot like President Obama — is out with a new model called “The Gun Control Lobbyist,” which not only looks a lot like him but features his image advertising.

    What sick fucks.

    And the money quote:

    “‘Bleeds when shot’…been there already, no thanks assholes,” he wrote.

    Hope he sues them. What for, I dunno. But jesus.

  23. 23
    El Caganer says:

    In an ideal world the Paulistas and the neo-cons would devour each other.

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    Nobody could have anticipated that the son of a noted racist and homophobe recently outed for colluding with white supremacists would in fact himself be a racist.

    This piece on the marriage of Libertarians and racists was really interesting, BTW.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    I hope for the day when the Pauls will be taken about as seriously as Lyndon LaRouche.

    @dedc79: I have a soft spot for LaRouche. There’d always be a table at the county fair, in the weirdo section where nobody would go. They were always fairly close to where the Birchers would be set up, and there’d be one or two lonely guys with some batshit insane signage and that look in their eyes that said “come talk to me and I will bore you for five hours straight with my crazy superpowers”.

    Reminds me of my childhood.

  26. 26
    Trollhattan says:

    @max:

    The Pauls are multigenerational grifters who purportedly also practice medicine in addition to offering up new avenues of political malpractice. They can both rot in hell, the sooner the better.

  27. 27
    Mike in NC says:

    There are racist shock jocks working in SC?

    I’m shocked!

  28. 28
    Roger Moore says:

    @El Caganer:

    Paulistas

    ITYM Paultroons.

  29. 29
    gelfling545 says:

    Occasionally non-intervention policies may arise from a disinclination to have anything to do with those nasty foreigners rather than respect for sovereignty or a deep love of peace.

  30. 30
    Redshirt says:

    @JWL: So which Republicans are you supporting in 2014/2016?

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    IowaOldLady says:

    Surely even Republicans have to be able to hide their racism better than Rand Paul does. You could run endless loops of him telling Maddow that lunch counter owners should be able to refuse to serve blahs.

    OTOH, if they want to nominate him, please proceed.

  32. 32
    Roger Moore says:

    @Southern Beale:
    I see small government conservatives as the logical extension of the civil rights era bigots who decided to close down public services rather than make them available to blacks. They’re just trying to do it to the whole welfare state, rather than piecemeal.

  33. 33
    Shakezula says:

    but the family’s been in bed with racist, anti-Semitic loonies too long for me to ignore.

    In this case that’s called incest with a side order of masturbation.

  34. 34
    Shakezula says:

    I was sent to Modville? Was it the I word or the M word?

  35. 35
    Baud says:

    Aren’t there some progressive Democrats (at least in the House) that are as good or better than the Pauls on all the issues the Pauls are supposedly “good” on (war, drugs, MIC) without the immense negatives. If liberal blogs care about those particular issues so much, why don’t they seem to get as much play on the blogs as the Pauls do?

  36. 36
    ET says:

    For a second I read that publication name as Free Bacon.

  37. 37
    Trollhattan says:

    @Baud:

    Watching the Pauls hold forth on, say, the Wawah on Drugggs is like watching tap-dancing dogs. Youre amazed they’re able to do it at all, not at the quality of the dance.

  38. 38
    ChrisNYC says:

    Continetti is married? I thought he was under 17.

  39. 39
    Trollhattan says:

    @ET:

    That’s how I read it Every Darn Time.

    “Mmmm, bacon.”

  40. 40
    Trollhattan says:

    @ChrisNYC:

    Maybe he’s the blog commenter who married Winebox Annie?

  41. 41
    MattF says:

    The Pauls, fils et père, are both cranks, and their crankitude can’t be concealed for long. And the Kristol clan are Straussians. And I”m looking forward to the day that the Republican party has shrunk to the point where it can be taken into the bathroom and flushed.

  42. 42
    ruemara says:

    @Trollhattan: Rather a slur on bacon, sir.

  43. 43
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @catclub:

    Interesting that the auto-generated ad to see Ron Paul lists Krauthammer, arch neo-con, as well as other less well known, crazy people.

    Huh. My auto-generated ad wants me to convert my IRA/401K into Gold!

  44. 44
    Trollhattan says:

    @ruemara:

    Perhaps, but bacon can take it. Bacon is invincible!

  45. 45
    Trollhattan says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Perfect. Just like right now being a perfect time to buy goooold (at the bargain price of only several times what it was just a few years ago).

  46. 46
    MattR says:

    Just drove past a Larouche-ite who had setup a an Impeach Obama table complete with signs that “Benghazigate is worse that Watergate”. Did not have time or energy to stop and argue so I made sure to start laughing hysterically as soon as he made eye contact.

  47. 47
    taylormattd says:

    @Forum Transmitted Disease: and when you were a child looking at the LaRouche table, did you perchance notice the large posters depicting the president dressed up as Adolf Hitler, including the little ‘stache?

  48. 48
    MattF says:

    @MattR: I’m not a believer, but I do hope, nonetheless, that there’s a special place in Hell for Larouche and his cult.

  49. 49
    Roger Moore says:

    @MattF:

    And I”m looking forward to the day that the Republican party has shrunk to the point where it can be taken into the bathroom and flushed drowned in a bathtub.

    FTFY.

  50. 50
    Violet says:

    So is this a slightly more mainstream conservative publication trying to sabotage the future of the more wingnutty conservative? Or am I reading this wrong?

  51. 51
    MattF says:

    @Violet: I think it’s the Kristols attacking anyone who suggests that war isn’t the most terrificest thing in the whole world.

  52. 52
    ChrisNYC says:

    @Trollhattan: Ann Althouse is William Kristol’s daughter! It all makes sense now.

  53. 53
    rikyrah says:

    the father and son are racist grifters…no shock in the least.

  54. 54
    artem1s says:

    @catclub:

    amen, grifters, both of them. spawn is going to follow in his daddy’s footsteps and make buckets running for preznit, over and over, on the teahaddists dime.

    also, 5 minute rule applies.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    keep in mind that the Free Beacon was founded by some millionaire because he thought the other freebie, The Washington Examiner, was not conservative enough. And the Examiner was started by some millionaire because he thought the Washington Times was not conservative enough. So basically it’s the Washington Times cubed.

  56. 56
    NickT says:

    There’s only one good Paul, and that’s Ru. The others are just sad little fascist punks, racists and goldbuggers. Not an ounce of integrity among them.

  57. 57
    burnspbesq says:

    @JWL:

    That’s pretty much how I feel about being called politically naive by knee jerk supporters of Obama when criticizing the president.

    Truth hurts? Dang.

  58. 58
    Roger Moore says:

    @NickT:

    There’s only one good Paul, and that’s Ru.

    John, George, and Ringo disagree.

  59. 59
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Roger Moore: Well, George and Ringo at least.

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  61. 61
    Jebediah says:

    @NickT:

    There’s only one good Paul

    Paul’s Boutique is pretty alright.

  62. 62
    JWL says:

    @Bobby Thomson: How the hell should I know?

    If I am one, I’m a Pauline who wants a cracker.

  63. 63
    JWL says:

    @burnspbesq: “Thar she blows”!

    Any & all criticism of The Man From Chicago is by definition unwarranted.

  64. 64
    LanceThruster says:

    Wouldn’t anyone not supporting the Zionist agenda get linked by default to “anti-Semitic loons?”

  65. 65
    JWL says:

    @JWL: OK, I get it now.

    By ‘Pauline’, you were referring to Rand Paul.

    I first read this post earlier today, and forgot about the Paul angle when I perused this comment section again hours later.

    The answer being not merely, “no, I’m not”, but rather, “fuck no, I’m not”.

    But if I was a Polly (sic) I would want a cracker.

  66. 66
    Chris says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    On the intertoobz, yes, IRL I don’t know.

    This.

    Seriously: in real life, how well does Ron Paul do in elections? Extremely badly, seems to me. Last presidential election, the GOP had that phase when they were desperately looking for any front runner other than Romney, and Paul didn’t get that spot once – a black man and a woman beat him in that respect. In the GOP. That really says all you need to know about him.

    His kid may go further, but only because he’s moved closer to mainstream Republican ideology instead of staying on the fringes.

  67. 67
    Chris says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I see small government conservatives as the logical extension of the civil rights era bigots who decided to close down public services rather than make them available to blacks

    If you go back far enough, the marriage between racists and glibertarians goes all the way back to the Tilden-Hayes Compromise of 1876, where the Democrats ceded the White House (and by extension the federal government) to the robber-baron run Republicans, who in exchange pulled the troops out of the South, ended Reconstruction and allowed the ex-Confederate elites to rule as they saw fit.

    (And that’s only because pre-Civil War history isn’t my forte – I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find similar cooperation even earlier on).

  68. 68
    ffredpalakon says:

    @Southern Beale: The Robert Parry piece looks fascinating. Thanks for posting that.

  69. 69
    BruinKid says:

    Weigel is probably correct that this won’t stick as it should to the Pauls. I remember in late 2011 debating the racist Ron Paul newsletters with some of my friends who were Ron Paul supporters, and who were minorities, and even they were brushing it off as if it were nothing, making every excuse in the Ron Paul playbook. They had been completely blinded by his “awesomeness” that they couldn’t see what was right in front of their faces, and I don’t think a damn thing has changed.

    This story may resonate among the non-Paulbots, but don’t expect it to do anything to the “Liberty” movement.

  70. 70
    mk3872 says:

    Mr. Snowden & Mr. Geenwald, as well as their merry band of “libertarian” followers will surely forgive Sen Paul for his racism and hatred of public education, unions and minimum wages.

    Because they are all single-issue voters ala anti-abortionists.

  71. 71
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @BruinKid:

    The cult of personality around Ron Paul would make Stalin and Mao jealous.

  72. 72
    beliebert says:

    “I’m not a big fan of the Pauls. I agree with Ron’s critique of American foreign policy to some extent but….”
    Ah yes resident Ball Juice concern troll is concern.

    …but what you idiot?

    That’s like saying “I’m not a big fan of Ted Bundy. I agree with his reasoning about why he did it but…”

  73. 73
    Nat says:

    @NickT:

    No integrity? Pshaw! My firebaggin’ brogressive boner says different.

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    Jebediah says:

    @beliebert:

    Clever – adding one letter to your nym to escape the pie filter.
    Get back in your pie-hole, you tediousity!

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