Monday Evening Open Thread

Especially for Sarah Proud & Tall, of course.

Several New Englanders on the Seattle Meetup thread wondered why there hasn’t been a Boston-area meetup, to which the answer is: If you want it to happen, make it so. Waltham was suggested as a restaurant-rich locale. Framingham, too also. I am not competent to take charge of such an event — not least because I don’t drink — but if people want to get together anywhere between Nashua and Framingham or thereabouts, I’ll do my best to show up. Thoughts?

What other summer delights are on the agenda for the evening?

96 replies
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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Given it’s the hometown, and I’m sure there have to be some New York-based Juicers here, what kind of appetite is there for doing a BJ meetup in NYC, perhaps in late July or early August? Or, if that’s too soon, sometime post-Labor Day would also work…

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    JMG says:

    If you want a bar with real good food and a lively atmosphere, Curley’s near Park St. station downtown is a fine joint. But I don’t know where the population center of gravity is for people on this site in Greater Boston.

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    raven says:

    If you’s have done it in May when I got rained out on my fishing trip I coulda come!

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    to which the answer is: If you want it to happen, make it so.


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    NickT says:

    Rather to my surprise:

    The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) called on Congress Monday to quickly pass legislation protecting voting rights in the wake of the Supreme Court’s recent decision that gutted a centerpiece of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
    “We urge policymakers to quickly come together to reaffirm the bipartisan consensus that has long supported the Voting Rights Act and to move forward new legislation that assures modern and effective protections for all voters so that they may exercise their right and moral obligation to participate in political life,” Bishops Stephen Blaire of Stockton, Calif., and Daniel Flores of Brownsville, Texas, said in a statement.

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    Baud says:


    Lots of Hispanic Catholics.

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    raven says:

    WASHINGTON — Increasingly frustrated by his dealings with President Hamid Karzai, President Obama is giving serious consideration to speeding up the withdrawal of United States forces from Afghanistan and to a “zero option” that would leave no American troops there after next year, according to American and European officials.

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    lahke says:

    I’m all in favor of Waltham, since I live there. How about this place?

    Wednesday the 17th work for folks?

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    srv says:

    @raven: Pat Lang would say Karzai is a grifter who will retire to Switzerland the day we pull out.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Standing around waiting for your poaching water to reach the right temperature is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Especially when your only thermometer is a candy thermometer.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    So is there a particular reason you’re refusing to call your congressman and senators to demand that the commander of Gitmo be fired?

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    raven says:

    @srv: He’s too busy being bitter about Kerry right now.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:


    I’m just making a joke based on that thread, that’s all.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Solea, Moody Street. Trust me.

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    different-church-lady says:

    If you want it to happen, make it so.

    I would, but congress won’t give me the funding.

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    lahke says:


    Solea is most definitely great, but it’s a titch expensive. Do folks want beer and burgers or wine and tapas?

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    srv says:

    Ted Cruz’s daddy tells it like it is:

    Speaking an event hosted by the conservative nonprofit FreedomWorks, Rafael Cruz described President Barack Obama as being “just like a dictator like Fidel Castro.”

    Rafael Cruz then drew comparisons between policies of Castro and Obama, stating, “That same man who had been talking before about hope and change, now was talking about how the rich are evil, about how they oppress the people, and about the need to redistribute the wealth. He began attacking the press, curtail freedom of the press, attacking religion, confiscating property. Then he began instituting socialized medicine, and imposing wage-and-price controls. Basically reducing everybody’s salary to a least common denominator.”

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    If there’s a chance it happens late Sept or early October, I would try to be there. Since I’ll be in Boston then anyway.

    Also, if you missed it earlier today, I’m doing a weekly menu/recipes/shopping list again. Going to shoot for Mondays. I had some people ask, so I thought, why not?

    Today’s menu starts with: Greek Wraps

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: I doubt my Congressmen in Texas would really do much to setup a BJ meet in Framingham.

    Because I went to college in Worcester, I actually know where that is.

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    NickT says:


    Wingnuts are bears of very little brain. Let them repeat this sort of nonsense as often as they like – and they’ll reduce themselves to a minority white resentment party that much sooner.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @PsiFighter37: I’d be fine with either date. It’s been awhile since the last NYC meetup.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    Oy, what a few days.

    A cousin of mine went out to a bar this weekend. She was kidnapped on the way out, raped and beaten, and thrown off a bridge and left to die.

    The sheriffs found her, and she’s in the hospital, but … damn.

    The kid’s only 21, dammit. I don’t know what to do with this. I just… words fail.

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    A bit of random: I’m going to be in LA in early Oct for a wedding. I know there are lots of juicers in the area – any of them want to meet up?

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    Sibling Nonspecific Firearm of Random Adjective Followed by a Noun That Describes a Mental State (fka AWS) says:

    @BethanyAnne: ugh, so so sorry.

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    burnspbesq says:

    TRO granted in Wisconsin.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:


    Jeez…I hope she recovers and I hope they catch the asshole responsible.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @efgoldman: Bar & Grills and pubs are better places because they will let you sit there as long as you like. If you keep getting something to drink or eat, all the better. Chain restaurants don’t work for these things because they want you gone quickly so they turn around the tables. (At least that’s been my experience with large groups.)

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    lahke says:


    I’ll try to hit the open threads with it as often as possible. Right now we’re thinking Watch City Brewing Co on Wed July 17 at 6 or 7–I’ll take suggestions on time, and try for a head count early next week so that we can reserve a spot.

    Bethany Anne–so sorry for your cousin.

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    Roger Moore says:

    The meetup was great when PF+37 was in town. I’d be up for another.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    And Mom told her boss about it this morning, and he offered “She needs to be more careful about who she leaves bars with”.

    So, you know, Balloon Juice ladies, there’s a tip for us.

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    ruemara says:

    @BethanyAnne: Man, fuck her boss with a rusty chainsaw. My prayers go out for her to recover and for her rapist to receive swift justice.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @BethanyAnne: Mon Dieu, the poor dear. I hope you can give her some kind of succor.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @BethanyAnne: Ugh. “Suspicious” incident — ya think, Sheriff? (Yeah, I know, such is the law.) Glad they found your poor cousin in time, and hope she makes a swift & full recovery.

    Also that her boss and the guy(s) who attacked her end up sharing the same room in Hell, but that’s not as important, actually.

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    mai naem says:

    @BethanyAnne: Maybe the boss can get kidnapped, raped, beaten and thrown off the bridge and then his underlings can tell him how he should be careful about who he walks out of bars with. What an asshole but it’s Texas. Would not expect any less out of the shithole that is Texas.

    I had a client at work this weekend who called Obama a monkey and a rat, called blacks monkeys, called black women Aunt Jemimas(wtf?) and a million other comments. I just bit my tongue. I don’t think I’ve ever had somebody say crap like that to me to such an extent. I’ve heard racist comments but jeez this person was just wow.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @BethanyAnne: My thoughts to your cousin, your family and you. Horrifying. It’s not right that I’d like your mother’s boss to suffer the same thing, so we can all wag our fingers at him to be more careful. Asshole.

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    2liberal says:

    i am taking a vacation week! one entire week.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Right now we’re thinking Watch City Brewing Co on Wed July 17 at 6 or 7–I’ll take suggestions on time, and try for a head count early next week so that we can reserve a spot.

    We can do Watch City next Wednesday, although probably not until 7pm or a bit later.

    Depending on who else wants to show up, earlier might be better for those commuting from a distance, and slightly later better for people coming from work?

    I’d love to do Solea sometime — maybe a second meetup later this summer, give people a chance to plan it into their calendars/budget?

    Whatever is decided, let me know (I’ll check back here, or you can email me) and I’ll front-page the details…

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    lahke says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    Hi, Annie:
    7:30? Some of us olds can’t be eating too late.

    Here’s the address:
    256 Moody St, Waltham · (781) 647-4000

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    BethanyAnne says:

    Thanks, all. I appreciate the good thoughts.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @BethanyAnne: Also please let us know if there is anything we can do to help. For both you and your cousin.

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    lahke says:

    Also, Solea later in the year is a great idea.

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    scav says:

    @BethanyAnne: What I wouldn’t give to be able to grasp his hand tightly. look deep into his eyes and agree, Yes, Texas Men are very very much to be entirely avoided — it’s well known but not nearly implemented enough.
    What a fine Gentlemen. I’m sure his Mamma would be mighty proud of his mouth and heart.

    ETA. my good thoughts are with your family, it,s just easier to be articulate about the troglodyte.

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    Rob R. says:

    Long time lurker (I think the last time I commented was to shit on Darrell) who lives about four blocks from Watch City Brewery… and you gotta do this when I’m on vacation in San Diego, dontcha?

    Watch City’s a good choice; good beer and bar food. If you don’t get the Hops Explosion IPA and the loaded nacho dip, you’re doing it wrong.

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    gbear says:


    Wingnuts are bears of very little brain.

    If it’s not asking too much, could you please rephrase that statement just a bit? Thanks.

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    👾 Martin says:


    Lots of Hispanic Catholics.

    Yep. Immigration is pretty much the future of the Catholic church as well.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @mai naem:

    called black women Aunt Jemimas(wtf?)

    Aunt Jemima was a marketing symbol and brand name of pancake/waffle mixes and frozen product and maple syrup. She was an older black woman (slave) with a head scarf. The image was supposedly based on what house servants looked like in the old South — think Mammy in Gone With The Wind.

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    aimai says:

    @BethanyAnne: Jeezus christ. This is horrific. I am so very sorry for your cousin and her entire family. My thoughts are with you. I hope she recovers.

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    gbear says:

    @ruemara: What you said. I hope that mom gave the boss a piece of her mind.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Noah Smith wins the Internets for today.

    And as for conservative hucksters like Niall Ferguson and Erick Erickson, well, asking why those guys say anything they say is just a waste of time. Just do the sensible healthy thing, and ridicule them.


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    burnspbesq says:

    The State of Georgia, in its infinite wisdom, seems determined to defy the United States Supreme Court and execute a man that even its own experts say is “mentally retarded.”

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    Citizen_X says:

    @scav: No, better to ask, “So…what are you saying? That YOU’RE the one who did this?”

    And then knee him in the balls.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    I just hope that she isn’t pregnant. Both my sister and my niece were impregnated by rapists. Hope hope she isn’t.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    If she lived in a civilized state, they would have given her Plan B at the hospital. She’s probably already been given medication to minimize any possible HIV exposure (which I found out on teevee is now standard practice) but, you know, God forbid she should try to avoid becoming pregnant with her rapist’s baby.

    ETA: Though, sad as it is, the fact that she was brought in half-dead by an ambulance would make it more likely that even a “pro-life” nurse would give her a dose of Plan B since it’s hard to argue that she’s just a slut with a broken condom making up a fake rape story.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    impregnated by rapists. that sounds off. well, it is off, but I don’t know how to say it differently. I probably shouldn’t say it at all. but it’s true. both at parties. one was drugged at 14, the other was “just” drunk at 22. fucking life.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    @Mnemosyne: she’s in enough trauma that she probably didn’t get pregnant. They had to remove her spleen, so she’s already been in one surgery. I guess that lowers the odds?

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    Violet says:

    @BethanyAnne: So sorry to hear about your cousin. That’s just awful. Keep us posted on how she’s doing.

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    Violet says:

    @Mnemosyne: Saw your reply on the Seattle meetup thread. I’ll let you know what my Endo says and how my bloodwork looks. I’ve lost a fair amount of weight in the three months since I’ve seen him, so that’ll probably come up–I get weighed every time I go.

    I’m making a list of things to ask him. I’m going to follow up on his wheat comment from last visit.

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    mpbruss says:

    Wow, I live in Waltham for three years, and faithfully lurk BJ for at least two of them, and then I move to Michigan and y’all do a meetup right down the street from me. Oh well. I’m too cool for Watch City anyways. Go to The Gaff!!

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Honestly, I don’t know all that much about it. I know you’re not supposed to have surgery or be x-rayed while you’re pregnant because of potential harm to the embryo/fetus, which is what makes me wonder if they gave her a dose of Plan B along with everything else just to prevent that disastrous potential complication.

    You’d think it would be standard procedure, but it is Texas.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I can’t remember, did you say you have an endocrinologist because of diabetes, or is it something else? I only ask because some of the bicycling magazines I read seem to have a big “cycling cures (type 2) diabetes!” publicity push this month. I’m trying to convince my co-worker with Type 2 to get a bicycle.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    Why is the massive flooding in Toronto getting ZERO attention here in the US?

    No climate change at work, nosiree! Damn.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    @Mnemosyne: I expect it’s probably illegal here. Or soon will be. Fucking barbarians.

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    Violet says:

    @Mnemosyne: I see my Endocrinologist for my thyroid issue–Hashimoto’s, autoimmune thyroid disease. I’m generally hypothyroid, but with Hashi’s it can kind of fluctuate so you can go from euthyroid (normal) to hypo (low thyroid) and occasionally to hyperthyroid (overactive). My Endo is great at managing it–keeps a close eye on it and likes my TSH to be lower than many doctors do, which is a more cutting edge way of treating it.

    I don’t think cycling can cure Type 2 diabetes, but it could help someone lose weight/get in shape and thus have an impact. Maybe in some cases the impact could be big enough that it could be “cured”. Type 2 is more of a lifestyle diabetes, so if you change your lifestyle, I guess it can have a big impact.

    Interesting your doc discouraged you from the gluten-free diet. I about fell out of the chair when my Endo said he wasn’t a fan of wheat. I’m going to find out more about that when I see him.

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    burnspbesq says:


    People who have an interest in Canadian events have long since learned that the Internet can bring the full array of Canadian media to their desktop.

    Or, put another way, if you can’t rely on the US media to tell you what’s going on in the US, why is it anything but irrational to rely on the US media to tell you what’s going on in some other country.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Ah, okay. We don’t have any thyroid issues in my family, but my mother-in-law has had trouble with hers for years. Since you have an auto-immune problem and gluten is tied to auto-immune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, maybe that’s why your endo is not a fan of it.

    Even the article I read didn’t say it “cured” her Type 2, but apparently her lifestyle change (exercise + diet) was sufficient to let her stop taking medication.

    My friend who went vegan in January has a family history of Type 2 (including borderline gestational diabetes with both of her pregnancies), which was one of the reasons she did it. And now she and her husband are running 5K races, too, which is cracking me up. So not the type.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Watching a Billy Wilder movie on TCM, The Fortune Cookie.

    Some great lines.

    Re Abraham Lincoln: “Great president, lousy lawyer.”

    Patient to doctor about to give him a shot: “Be careful there.”
    Doctor: “I have to be. I’m on probation.”

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    Punchy says:

    @NickT: So I should fully expect Bill Donahue to fully support the Dems efforts and excoriate the House GOP for obstruction on this issue, right?

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    something fabulous says:

    @BethanyAnne: Oh my gosh! so sorry to hear this!! How horrible. Best wishes for her recovery!!

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    Violet says:

    @Mnemosyne: We didn’t have thyroid issues in my family that I was aware of, although a cousin has been diagnosed hypothyroid in the last year or so. One side of my family does have autoimmune issues, but they all present differently. No one seems to have the same thing and not everyone on that side of the family has an autoimmune issue.

    I suspect you’re right about the gluten, but I’m eager to ask him why he’s not a fan. Maybe get some insights into some new thinking on it in the medical community.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    That one is pretty melancholy, even for Wilder, with a little touch of sentimentality. But it works. First on-screen pairing of Lemmon and Matthau, IIRC.

    G started re-watching A New Leaf this weekend and, damn it, now I have to re-watch it, too. You wouldn’t think that Matthau would be convincing as an upper-class WASP, but he manages it.

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    Elizabelle says:


    So sorry. Hope your cousin recovers. Dreadful.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mnemosyne: to say nothing of being a romantic lead and the nephew of James Coco, ten years his junior. I love that movie. Now that I think of it, Arthur ripped off A New Leaf in a few ways didn’t it? Race car driving playboy wastrel being counseled by a wry, superior British butler

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I was thinking of Arthur, too (I had to leave during the honeymoon to go grocery shopping). There were definitely some strong similarities, though obviously the stories come to somewhat different endings.

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    something fabulous says:

    @Roger Moore: Me too! Great to meet y’all. I’d recommend somewhere a bit quieter this time… and I’d show up earlier. (Unrelated points, just stream o’ consciousness.) It was so fun to put some names to faces, and to go somewhere totally new!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Never saw A New Leaf. Will have to.

    I am becoming a Walter Matthau fan.

    Here’s a Paris Review interview with Billy Wilder on screenwriting from 1996.

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    Punchy says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Isnt Toronto the Lone Ranger’s sidekick?

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    something fabulous says:

    PS: @AL, why dedicated for SP&T? These boys are not naked!

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    Violet says:

    Indiana wants to double down on stopping same sex marriage:

    Indiana lawmakers have revamped a 1997 law that makes furnishing false information on a marriage license a class D felony. Beginning July 1, 2014, a same-sex couple applying for a marriage license in the state of Indiana will be guilty of a Level 6 felony, punishable by 18 months in prison and a $10,000 fine. The new law also makes it a Class B Misdemeanor for a clergyman, judge, mayor, city clerk or town clerk-treasurer to perform a same-sex marriage, punishable by up to 180 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. Any clerk who issues a license to a same-sex couple would also be guilty of a Class B Misdemeanor.

    That is hard core. Punishing the people applying for the license and the clergy members? Wow.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Two more Matthau movie recommendations from G:

    Charley Varrick (1973)

    Hopscotch (1980)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Elizabelle: Check out The Sunshine Boys, and if you’re not put off by movies that scream 1970s like a Norman Lear sitcom marathon, the two he made with Glenda Jackson, House Calls and Hopscotch.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:


    Isnt Toronto the Lone Ranger’s sidekick?

    Now that you mention it…

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    scav says:

    @Violet: Next up? Fines for anything above a second date. Small government, so they’ll opt for bounties to snitches or maybe drones and spycams rather than hiring people for outright sweeps. Then they’ll tent their hands in prayer, roll up their eyes to heaven and mouth the tradional sneers about them Homo-sex-You-alls not being able to manage long-term relationships.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @something fabulous: Ms. Sarah was the one who introduced us (me) to Father Tiger, couple weeks ago.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: also the Cactus Flower.

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    Violet says:

    @scav: Don’t forget bringing in the paramilitary forces to shut down gay clubs, Gotta take those toys out for a spin every so often to keep the public in line.

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    burnspbesq says:


    This is why we need to get rid of Section 2 of DOMA.

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    NotMax says:


    Walter Matthau?

    The Odd Couple
    The Taking of Pelham One Two Three

    One of the tragedies of filmdom was the removal due to illness of Jack Benny during the making of The Sunshine Boys, leading to the replacement of the original cast, Red Skelton & Benny, with George Burns and Matthau. The latter’s performance in it does rise above serviceable, but too often slops over from curmudgeonly to downright nasty, and is nearly devoid of any sense of teamwork with Burns.

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    mai naem says:

    Hopscotch is a good movie with a really good ending

    @PurpleGirl: Okay, I just think of pancake syrup when I hear Aunt Jemima and I don’t even know if there’s a pancake syrup called Aunt Jemima.
    @Rob R.: Maybe you should get a SD meet up while you’re there and get Tbogg to show up.

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    Parenthetical aside: I wish I knew anyone IRL who watches Teen Wolf. This season is sooo goood and my only outlet is to gush with strangers over the internet because everyone I’m friends with in Meat Space goes a bit cross-eyed when I start to describe it.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @mai naem:
    There used to be a brand of toothpaste sold here in the Far East called “Darkie”: the brand mascot was a black man in formal wear, with a top hat, and smiling to show a mouthful of big beautiful teeth. It was only in the late 1980s that the brand mascot was redrawn as a man of indeterminate race, and the toothpaste itself renamed “Darlie”. As I recall, that was in response to complaints not from Asia — where African people were and are seldom encountered outside the bigger cities, but racism towards them is surprisingly common — but from the West.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Thank y’all for the Walter Matthau suggestions.

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    Antonius says:

    I work near Moody street so I’ll be there, though rarely heretofore more than a lurker.

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    lojasmo says:


    Jesus Christ. That’s the worst thing I’ve heard today.

    Hope her recovery continues apace, and the perpetrator is caught.

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    gbear says:

    @Punchy: You’re thinking of the Lorone Ranger.

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Violet: The docs I see for my joint issues totally hate on gluten, period. Considering that I was contemplating a knee replacement last spring and cutting gluten plus having a few prolotherapy treatments to my knees has me back to nearly 100%, I’m inclined to stay with my no-wheat-ever status. Cutting the wheat cut my joint pain by 75%, the prolo got me back to where I was 10-15 years ago.

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