Hey, equality is cool and everything, but we all know what drives this website- mocking wingnuts. So please feel free to post links to the tears of the American Taliban as they weep for our newly gayified nation.
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RaflW
I realize that James Joyner isn’t a full wingnut, but he had about a 10 minute freakout earlier today when he thought the ruling this morning was going to mean all 50 states had to recognize the gays right away.
He got schooled on S.2 of DOMA and issued an update fairly fast.
Yatsuno
1) Collect sweet sweet wingnut tears.
2) Desalinate and purify.
3) Sell to libruls everywhere.
4) PROFIT!!!
Roger Moore
@Yatsuno:
Unnecessary. It’s the bitter taste that makes them so delicious; I recommend substituting wingnut tears for bitters in your favorite cocktail.
Felinious Wench
My Christian Taliban cousins posted on Facebook last night “we’re holding hands and tearfully praying the right of the unborn will prevail.” It was 2 a.m. I was classy and posted nothing when Dewhurst threw in the towel.
Today they’re as silent as they were after Obama Victory 2.
I would not be mocking them if they were good people. They’re not; total assholes. Nasty little mean streaks.
cleek
nope, can’t bring myself to give a shit about what “conservatives” think about this.
Jay C
And in the “Quick Off The Mark To Propose Embarrassing Legislation” category, I’m pleased to nominate Kansas Republican Tim Huelskamp – for proposing a Constitutional Amendment “defining marriage”, something like two hours(?) or less after the SCOTUS decision.
Fast work, Tim: Bryan Fischer’s tears and Antonin Scalia’s spittle aren’t even dry yet….
Paul in KY
I guess the picture accompanying the post was not factual.
Dammit!
JGabriel
83.67% of all wingnut marriages have just been destroyed.
Ash Can
The LGF commentariat have assembled an amusing selection of right-wing tweets and press releases (as well as pointing out that Nancy Pelosi’s reaction to Michele Bachmann’s public meltdown was a succinct “Who cares?”). One of the most prolific and hysterical of the tweeters is of course Bryan Fischer, who evidently does nothing day in and day out but fantasize about gay sex and tweet about it.
Yatsuno
@Roger Moore: I went back and forth on that. But honestly, do you see what some of them eat? Ewww. Then again humans eat liver, so no real accounting for taste.
Roger Moore
@Jay C:
Wingnuts will be wingnuts. Of course it has zero chance of passing, given that a majority of the Senate is on the record as supporting marriage equality and (as of today) more than 1/4 of the states have marriage equality on the books. But his proposal should go down in the annals of ridiculous grandstanding.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Dana Loesch at Redstate sez that the DOMA ruling is GOOD NEWS! for conservatives and bad news for liberals. The readership does not agree with that assessment.
I’m swimming in winger tears today and while they are cold and bitter, they are sweet to see.
Roger Moore
@Yatsuno:
One of the advantages of using wingnut tears in a cocktail is that the alcohol should kill anything noxious growing in them. Besides, it lets you enjoy them for longer.
BTW, what ingredients do you think would go into a cocktail named “Wingnut Tears”?
Ash Can
@Jay C: And how many millions of taxpayer dollars will the House Republicans waste trying to pass that turd 37 times?
LAZOR-LIEK FOCUS ON JRRRRRBZ!!
Brother Machine Gun of Desirable Mindfulness (fka AWS)
Ben Shapiro is such an ass. So’s Fischer. Seriously – how do you sleep with so much hate?
slag
Don’t forget all the abortions that will now be forced on the good Christian women of Texas!
Brother Machine Gun of Desirable Mindfulness (fka AWS)
@Roger Moore:
that should be an entry in the BJ lexicon.
Yatsuno
@Roger Moore: Definitely bitters. Something dark like Jager or something. Should be noxious and dark like their souls. Maybe Tuaca. I’ll have to think about this. JenJen is a professional mixologist, maybe she has some ideas.
Frankensteinbeck
@Felinious Wench:
That is one of the most important features of the anti-abortion movement. It’s really easy to describe it with phrases like ‘rights of the unborn’ and ‘baby killing’. They can shit on other people’s lives AND feel righteous about it! (The #2 motivation is tribal ‘fuck you, we will force everyone to be Xtianist’ warfare.)
El Caganer
@Roger Moore: Aside from absinthe and monkey urine, I’m not sure.
quannlace
Meh, that’s one of those zombie proposals that keep popping up and go nowhere. Like the ‘flag burning’ amendment.
RaflW
@Ash Can:
Popped over to LGF and saw that super-hater Pam Geller has been banned from the U.K. for her hate speech.
Isn’t it conservatives who always say that actions have consequences? In this case, her public rantings have labeled her behaviour “unacceptable” and thus she’s unwelcome.
Good.
Elizabelle
Those who cannot abide gay marriage are many years behind the curve. They can take what comfort they can find in their religion and their politico-social networks.
However: slavery is illegal in the U.S., women have the vote, poll taxes were eliminated; civil rights legislation passed (before we backslid…), Medicare was enacted, Loving v Virginia ensured interracial marriages were legal.
All that legislation was controversial at the time, although it worked.
The Republic survived.
The backsliders need to get with the program.
Jesus would want them to.
He might even give them a kick in the ass in the right direction.
Cacti
I’m guessing that overall, their sad over teh gayz is substantially outweighed by their happiness over the felonious five driving a stake through the heart of the Voting Rights Act.
Keeping assorted undesirables from voting is much more important to their immediate electoral fortunes.
CaseyL
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Much as I hate to say it, Loesch may be right.
Think of gay folk who are otherwise conservative – particularly when it comes to, say, taxes – and whose only reason to not vote GOP was the GOP’s homophobia. Marriage equality takes some of the sting out of that homophobia – haters gonna hate, but there’s less and less legislative impact their hatred can have – and so an unknown number of gay people can revert to their conservative “real selves.”
That empathy-less idiot Sullivan comes to mind. He has practically gotten on his knees (sorry) to beg the GOP to recognize/allow marriage equality; legislated homophobia is all that drove him from the party.
Elizabelle
@CaseyL:
Funny you should mention Sully.
Just heading over to see what he’s got up.
(And wait ten minutes for it to load … come on Dish site!)
eemom
Hey, know what the BEST part is?
Glenn Greenwald doesn’t have to live in Brazil anymore!
Tee hee.
slag
@Felinious Wench: A whole lotta prayers going unanswered lately. I wonder why.
Alex S.
Well, there’s a difference between liberals and conservatives. For conservatives, defeat will last forever. It’s always another world that just ended. For liberals, it’s a constant struggle. The VRA might be gone, but better times will come.
Maybe that’s why conservatives fight harder. Each defeat is permanent.
Roger Moore
@Yatsuno: @El Caganer:
I’m thinking that maybe some brine from the olive jar (like a dirty martini) to give it appropriate saltiness. And the absinthe definitely sounds like a good starting point. The only problem is that it should actually taste good enough that we want to drink it, which doesn’t seem to be the direction we’re going with this.
Catsy
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Not linking to that cesspit, but holy crap, that post by Loesch is whistling past the graveyard at its finest. There are some very delicious wingnut tears to be had in that thread.
Felinious Wench
@Cacti: Not in Texas. Our Wingers are Very Upset At The Lack Of Christian Morality in Our Society today. My suggestions of Valium and tequila have not been received as helpful at all.
God bless it, I’m having fun today.
Yatsuno
@RaflW: Who will be the first to scream ZOMG FIRST AMENDMENT!! OPPRESSION!! WOLVERINES!!!
JGabriel
Cacti:
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. On the other hand, demographics are still on our side.
Betty Cracker
Here’s the title NOM gave its front page hissy fit piece:
Amazing how many outraged adjectives they can cram into a single line. NOM Bigot-in-Chief Brian Brown is so mad he’s mixing metaphors like a sinking horse sailing from a burning barn:
There’s only one appropriate response. Two, actually.
Butch
@CaseyL: Those folks were already hiding behind GOProud and Log Cabin. I don’t think there will be much of a change.
22over7
@Roger Moore:
How about sweet tea, bitters, and Wild Turkey?
Roger Moore
@CaseyL:
The Andrew Sullivans of the world were a lost cause to start with. For the rest of LGBTs, I doubt that Republicans shutting up about Teh Ghey for a while (assuming they actually can) is going to be enough to overcome years of gay bashing.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@El Caganer:
With a turd garnish.
@CaseyL:
It might be but that isn’t why she thinks it’s a win for conservatives.
BGinCHI
Come on. DOMA repeal was the best thing for wingnut welfare and cashable outrage since Obama killed Vince Foster.
The Other Chuck
Whoever Tony TCOT is, he still appears to have his Twitter account. How do you report scumbags like him for what looks like a pretty clear TOS violation?
A Ghost To Most
@22over7:
Not Wild Turkey; Sweet tea, bitters, and Shiner Bock. The drink should be as shitty as the wingers.
NonyNony
@Roger Moore:
If they actually stopped the gay bashing, embraced full equality and stopped trying to turn the clock backward, then they could easily snap up probably 33% of the gay vote inside of a generation. There are plenty of well-off gay folks out there who hate paying taxes as much as the well-off straight Republicans do.
However they would lose the Christian fundamentalists that they decided was the core of their party immediately. And that loss would be much more substantial than the smaller number of gay voters they would pick up by shifting positions on this. Plus shifting positions will take time to grow that gay voter group – it would effectively destroy their party to do it now. In a generation as the old guard dies off they might be able to do it (though honesty – I thought they’d be able to do that with the racists too and instead they seem to be doubling down, so who knows).
Also too – if they could “stop trying to turn the clock backward” they wouldn’t be Republicans.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@eemom:
I wonder if he will return. I’m sure that he would be welcomed with open cell doors, I mean open arms.
@Catsy:
I knew if I wanted to see howling and feces flinging at its best then Redstate would be the place for it this AM.
Hal
@Roger Moore: what pisses me off is that Republican gays are benefiting from the work of a largely liberal movement, Ted Olsen the great exception, while bitching about their tax rates.
Felinious Wench
Nancy Smash!!!!
SatanicPanic
@Roger Moore: Bitters and white wine.
Ash Can
@eemom:
Yeah, like he’d want to live in a country where the government officials
might want to ask him a few questions about his admitted collaboration with an admitted spywould be listening in on all his phone calls and peeking into his windows with binoculars and reading and censoring all his mail. Uh-huh.Trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
The concept of Wingnut Bitters, while perhaps redundent, is brilliant.
I see a BJ wingnut cocktail recipe contest a-brewin’.
MikeJ
@Felinious Wench: Hate the way that’s written. It makes it sound as if Pelosi said “who cares about what god has instituted” rather than “who cares what Michele Bachmann has to say?”
While the religious matter means nothing to me, it does matter to some people, and the phrasing seems intended to twist what Pelosi said.
Cacti
@NonyNony:
It might even prompt Rush Limbaugh to ditch his 4th beard and finally come out of the closet.
Tone in DC
@Felinious Wench:
Good one, Nancy.
As for the collective winger SAD, to quote a certain old track… whatever man.
scav
How about a whole mixologist tome on different drinks to go with the tears? Today I want something colorful and layered (all that specific gravity stuff). Two (same sex) olives on a stick for garnish, and, just after toasting the new partners and confusion to mine enemies, I’ll mix all those layers up in a salute to miscegenation. Na zdravì!
Otherwise, a simple Gin & Tears goes down a treat on a hot day.
Trollhattan
@Hal:
“Log Cabin Republicans” all need a log (not a metaphorical one) applied upside the head until some sense gets knocked into them.
I know, na-ga-happen, but I sure don’t need to take them for anything but mock-worthy.
Odie Hugh Manatee
OT:
What does Edward Snowjob think should happen to government leakers?
““Those people should be shot in the balls,””
I wonder if he’s up to it?
Ash Can
@Roger Moore: Maybe a dirty gibson — up, shaken, made with very smooth vodka, garnished with an onion of course, and with just a couple of drops of onion brine and balsamic vinegar.
Damn — now that I’ve sobered up and recovered from the Blackhawks’ win on Monday night, I could go for one of those.
Felinious Wench
@MikeJ: I’d love it if someone asks Rep. Pelosi to clarify her remarks.
catclub
Has anyone asked George W, who signed the 2006 renewal of the VRA, what he thinks about the ruling?
MikeJ
@Ash Can: It’s not a gibson if you pollute it with vodka. A gibson is made with gin.
If you wish to make a lesser cocktail by substituting a liquor that aspires to flavourlessness, you must prefix the liquor name so nobody is tricked into thinking they’re getting the real thing. Vodka “gibson”. Vodka “martini”.
John O
Scalia’s spittle-flecked dissent is enough for me.
History will not judge him kindly. I’m too old to look forward to that, but I’m positively brimming with confidence that will be the story.
MattF
So, none of the wingers are bigots, it’s just that God is a bigot. Why is that an OK explanation of anything? In my humble opinion, that would make matters worse, not better. But, y’know, I just have to say that.
scav
@John O: We really should airlift spittle-Scalia and the weepers to OK and neighbors — do our bit at easing the drought.
MikeJ
@John O:
Tweet from @rebeccacanticle:
AnotherBruce
@MikeJ: I think the intent of what she said is pretty clear, so if someone wants to interpret it another way, well, who cares?
Jerzy Russian
I am still trying to work out all of the logistics of this, given that I will be forced to divorce my wife and get gay married. There are property and custody issues and the like. Should I find a nice guy from work, or should I perhaps broaden my horizons and head to a few gay bars in town?
Higgs Boson's Mate
No outrage about legislating from the bench when it became possible to deny the ability to vote to thousands. Apoplexy when one avenue of fucking with gay people is closed. Conservatives are about forbidding anything they can to anyone to whom they can forbid something. They are also very much about kissing the scented asses of those who are so wealthy that they can forbid them nothing.
In short; kiss up, kick down.
Geeno
@SatanicPanic: I think you nailed it, especially with the white whine
Roger Moore
@Hal:
This is always true of helping any group that isn’t 100% on your side. There will always be free riders who benefit from the work you’re doing while either failing to help or even actively fighting you. It’s like the obnoxious older wingnuts who are fighting to gut Medicare for younger people, not knowing that it’s going to boomerang and destroy Medicare for them, too. It’s incredibly tempting to write off Medicare completely just to screw over the assholes who are trying to screw me. But I want Medicare to be there for me when I need it, and if that means protecting wingnut assholes from themselves, so be it. Holding your nose and doing what’s right, even though it will help some obnoxious, ungrateful freeloaders, is part of being a good liberal.
p.a.
HaHa. These fuckers were not so upset about a 5-4 decision in 2001, were they?
jesdynf
Is the BJ hivemind aware of the goldmine that is Freep Impact? Lady spends her time nutpicking Free Republic.
Spoilers: They’re really mad about teh gays. I don’t think the response to the Davis filibuster has matured — okay, wrong word, ripened — yet.
Roger Moore
@SatanicPanic:
Only if we’re allowed to spell it “whine”.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Somewhere out there is the jerkface who hassled me while I was holding an anti-prop-8 sign outside a polling place 5 years ago. He was walking his dog, yelling about how he “wanted to marry” the dog.
I hope the dog is turning down his marriage proposal right this minute.
Betty Cracker
OT, but is anyone else watching the Zimmerman trial? The young woman who was talking to Trayvon Martin when Zimmerman approached him is a godawful witness. I hope she doesn’t hurt the state’s case.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
@Odie Hugh Manatee: This is good news for John McCain!
Villago Delenda Est
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Dana Losche is a ditz. On her good days.
John O
My favorite argument is the “redefining marriage” trope.
It takes a real idiot to fail to realize that up until 3-400 years ago, marriage was a straight-up property arrangement, and the woman was part of the property.
I guess it’s too much to ask for a “journalist” to point this out.
Soonergrunt
@Yatsuno: Bryan Fischer, of course:
@BryanJFischer:
The battle now turns to defending religious liberty. The DOMA ruling is the greatest threat to the 1st Amendment in history.
scav
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: Were you antisocial enough to point out that most men do tend to want to marry someone just like Mom?
Comrade Dread
Judging by these reactions, I must have missed the part of SCOTUS decision where I was required to divorce my wife and go get gay married instead.
geg6
All I know is that my cousin, the minister, is beside herself with joy.
She’s one of the few religious I know IRL that I can still not only stomach, but am happy to be close to and love.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@scav:
But, but, but, that would make him a son of a…
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
@Jerzy Russian: Sorry to tell you, Jon Stewart’s already called dibs on George Clooney..
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Ash Can: Well, we know he doesn’t actually believe that since he’s coming here later this year to go to the conference sponsored by American Socialists. The only thing that would be bugged more than Glenn would be Socialists.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
@scav: Where were you when I needed that line?
justdale
@Trollhattan:
Served in a glass rimmed with Pink Himalayan Sea Salt?
Can you use Alberta tar sand for a garnish?
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Jerzy Russian:
This is one of those rare times when I’m glad to be old. I don’t look good in white, or any other color, so I’m out of the game as far as getting forcibly gay married. Who knows, though, they may force me to become a gay divorcee or even a gay caballero.
Seanly
@CaseyL:
It could be trouble for us, but what will happen is that the Republicans will double-down on their hate. Racial & age demographics spell long term trouble for the conservatives. I also think that the current economic woes will create more progressives in the next voting generation. The in-aciton in Congress, the terrible anti-voting, anti-gay marriage & anti-choice legislation in the states are terrible for us now, but those are all rear guard actions. We have to fight them where we can like TX Sen. Wendy Davis, but in the long run, the progressives will win.
Many people thought the issues with voting in PA, OH, FL would keep people from getting to the polls to 2012. Instead, people were smarter than we gave them credit for. Americans waited for hours to vote. People like BJ’s Kay worked hard to make sure people could vote despite the terrible obstacles & shenigans by Republicans. We won’t drive the conservatives into the dustbin by rolling over.
MikeJ
@John O:
1 Kings 11:1-3
Desert Rat
@Roger Moore:
They aren’t likely to shut up for a while, either. Certainly not the rank and file.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
The wonkette link is a hoot. I particularly liked Bryan Fischer’s reference to “sodomy-based marriage.” Where do you put the ring?
MomSense
@Roger Moore:
I want this drink to taste really, really, ridiculously good so that I can enjoy it frequently and with pleasure.
John O
I’m also sure libertarians are thrilled with these decisions, because Freedom.
Villago Delenda Est
@Soonergrunt:
Right. If by “religious liberty” you mean the unrestricted ability to impose your fucked up asshole invisible sky buddy’s dictates on everyone around you, I guess then your “religious liberty” is in serious danger.
For the rest of us, however, it’s suffer, Christianist assholes, suffer.
Higgs Boson's Mate
Suggested Wingnut Tears cocktail:
2 oz orange juice
1/2 oz lime juice
2 oz. Schweppes bitter lemon soda
Vodka to taste
Botsplainer
@Cacti:
That’s OK – President Santorum, Vice President Paul and the GOP House and Senate will be able to undo all of it, since the rather large closeted Glibertarian faction of Conservatopia will work its special magic with fundraising, political support, ALEC and think tank advocacy in order to take full advantage of the gutting of the VRA. And when they can appoint some more wingnut judges, it’ll all be epic.
The pride parades, however, will not be stopped, and yet further financial and human resources will be committed for yet some other coveted item on the well-heeled white gay male wish list. Voting rights for blahs and browns and abortion rights for women? Not so much.
Have you ever noticed a peculiar absence of melanin at events targeted to white gay men?
John O
@MikeJ:
Yeah, it’s been “redefined” several times over the centuries, and almost always by men.
Still, why oh why is this never pointed out in public? It’s so painfully obvious.
IowaOldLady
I saw the video of Nancy on C&L. Did anyone else notice the little smile Jerry Nadler gave as soon as Bachmann’s name was mentioned? Made me laugh.
SatanicPanic
@Geeno: White whine from sour grapes.
Oh boy these are some groaners
gogol's wife
@Alex S.:
That is simple but profound.
Brother Machine Gun of Desirable Mindfulness (fka AWS)
@John O: Best quote from last night’s filibuster? “At what point must a female senator raise her hand or her voice to be recognized over her male colleague?”
Persia
@Soonergrunt: So much for the issue being dead and gays flocking to the Repubs.
Trollhattan
@catclub:
A Very Good Question. Would he have a RINO reaction?
burnspbesq
Oh, man, Louie Gohmert.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/gohmert-same-sex-marriage-ruling-could-be-the-end-of-a-great-civilization/
However, in the grand tradition of circular firing squads, I would also like to detonate a nuclear weapon right next to Scott Lemieux’s noggin. Dude, standing is jurisdictional. What part of that are you too damn stupid to understand?
Hal
@Betty Cracker: no not the best witness, but West really doesn’t seem to have much going so far as a defense other than to impugn witnesses and family of trayvon as thugs or liars. He doesn’t seem to be doing much fact disputing so far. Not to mention the knock knock joke. Yeesh.
burnspbesq
@eemom:
So we don’t have to waste time and money extraditing him to face charges of conspiring with Snowden? He’ll come here and fall right in the FBI’s lap?
COOL!!!!!
MikeJ
Ezra:
The IRS owes Edith Windsor $363,053, and other fiscal consequences of the DOMA decision
Higgs Boson's Mate
@burnspbesq:
All of it? I didn’t even watch “Perry Mason” and yet I understand the crucial importance of standing in bringing some civil actions.
Betty Cracker
@burnspbesq: Louie Gohmert is the Jim Hoft of the US House of Reps.
Trollhattan
The Flaming Wingnut
In a heavy triple-rocks glass, add:
1 jigger white rum
1 jigger Demerara rum
1 splash Wingnut Bitters(tm)
Add a quarter-inch float of 151-proof rum
Set afire
Fling at Bryan Fischer’s head with great vigor
Enjoy your Flaming Wingnut.
EriktheRed
A winger on a message board I post on started this thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/300272-the-scotus-has-cleared-the-way-for-legalized-polygamy.html
Roger Moore
@John O:
I’m expecting the Libertarian response to be a criticism of government for being in the marriage business in the first place; all civil marriages should be replaced with freely negotiated contracts.
Baud
@burnspbesq:
John O
@Roger Moore:
I have to smile at that one. Count me among those who believe the government has no real business in the marriage industry at all.
I think you’re right, though.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Baud: Like I said above, Glenn doesn’t actually believe the shit he’s been spewing about the US being a police state.
Roger Moore
@EriktheRed:
This should come as no surprise, since the parade of horribles has been a key wingnut argument against any relaxation of anti-gay law.
burnspbesq
@Baud:
It all makes sense now. The NSA is in cahoots with a Swedish furniture company, and Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid extradition to … Sweden.
King Karl XVI Gustav is the locus of all that is eebil in the Universe!
Or that’s a really bizarre typo.
You decide.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Baud:
ZOMG, my fucking book case is recording my every action! Run awaaaaaaaaaaay!
Sad_Dem
I’ve been having a fun morning mocking the wingers on the Los Angeles Times site. The best whine so far: “Today, Uncle Sam is prancing like a transsexual.” Let’s do the Time Warp again!
Trollhattan
@Higgs Boson’s Mate:
That’s no ordinary allen wrench….
geg6
@Ash Can:
Funny how the champion of the people never seems to champion anything for the people of Brazil. I’m sure the people of the many villa miseria around Buenos Aires could use someone to champion their civil rights.
rdldot
@John O: It’s actually just the opposite. It’s the religions that shouldn’t be in the marriage business. Marriage is a legal contract. The religions are putting the ‘magic’ into it, not the state. They should be able to do their religious ceremony, but not the legal ones.
Cacti
@Botsplainer:
It’s also hard not to notice their friendliness towards Bill and Hillary Clinton vs. the hostility toward the Obamas, when President Obama has been the most gay friendly POTUS in the history of the republic, full stop.
I wonder if Bill has issued any thanks to the SCOTUS for helping to invalidate something that his Presidential signature made into the law of the land.
Soonergrunt
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Courts do have jurisdiction to determine their own jurisdiction, including the question of standing.
John O
@rdldot:
Fair enough. I’m of the view that no one should be in the marriage business except those contracting to marry. As long as the contract is mutually agreed upon, I don’t care about the details, for me it is about the most personal decision one can make.
I suppose this de facto puts “the government” in the marriage business, but I view it more as marriage being just another contractual agreement between mutually agreeable parties, subject to the whims of existing contract law. I just think the morality issues should be left to the parties entering the marriage.
If I can talk two women into marrying me and each other, I should be able to do it. Of course, I’ve never been able to talk anyone into marrying me…
geg6
@John O:
Well, apparently not if you #standwithRand:
So says Rand while on that great American thinker Glenn Beck’s show today.
h/t Steve Benen
gelfling545
@Jay C: And he suspects this would be constitutional why?
Cacti
@geg6:
The only way GG would notice the protests of the Brazilian hoi polloi is if they somehow started obstructing his view of Copacabana.
gelfling545
@Felinious Wench: You are confirming something I suspect: that these sorts of people like to get themselves all emotional & they confuse this with being religious.
John O
@geg6:
Let’s just leave it at Rand Paul having some serious issues with his own alleged philosophy. If he’s a true libertarian, he would have no problem with, at the very least, polygamy.
geg6
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Not only that but it’s very difficult to live in a luxury highrise condo and have a view of nothing but villa miseria. In the US, we hide our slums where no one has to look at them except the people who live in them.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Soonergrunt:
Thank you. The closest I came to lawyering was way back in the day when at Berkeley I read aloud for law students who weren’t sighted. The university paid us and it made the difference for many. Lamentably, I did not emerge as the next Clarence Darrow.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@John O: I would be for polygamy if it were just as likely that a woman would marry two men as a man marrying two women. Since we have never had that – it has always been the situation that males have dominated – I am against it.
Soonergrunt
@Roger Moore: I had that conversation with my officemate just this morning.
To his credit, he thinks that the government shouldn’t treat anybody any different than anybody else in this particular subject, and should completely ignore what churches want or say.
geg6
@rdldot:
THIS.
Another Bot Splainer
Don’t know if this has been mentioned and not to derail this thread, but Ars Technica has dug up some intersting stuff about our favorite amateur spy.
John O
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Goes without saying that it should be gender neutral. If a woman can talk two men into marrying her and each other, I say, must be a helluva woman, and have at it, and good luck.
dennisk
@Ash Can: Maybe Rep. Bachmann’s meltdown is due to the distinct possibility that her marriage is one of the few that are actually endangered by the legalization of same sex marriage. Marcus now has legitimate options.
Trollhattan
@John O:
Certainly ironic we might have had a Republican president who’s the grandson of (Mexican) polygamists.
gelfling545
@Butch: Ah, but will they now be invited to the CPAC Cotillion?
Cacti
@John O:
Well, to be pedantic about it, polygamy can’t be gender neutral. A woman marrying multiple men would be polyandry. ;-)
Another Bot Splainer
Here’s the link:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/exclusive-in-2009-ed-snowden-said-leakers-should-be-shot-then-he-became-one/
Linky thing not working on my crappy iPad.
John O
@Cacti:
Sorry…I’m not the cunning linguist I used to be. I blame old age.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Cacti: Is there a single word for polygamy and polyandry? What would the plural be if you had both groups? What if two men and two women all get married?
Cacti
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
That one I don’t know.
Rick Massimo
Gosh, where did anyone ever get the idea that conservatives were bitter people?
scav
Polyandry seems to be a little less rare then it was once thought. Pdf
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Cacti: I’ve also wondered if there was a single word for aunt and uncle.
Ted & Hellen
Sadly, what really drives this website is mocking liberals/progressives who consistently think/believe/walk the talk regardless of who is in the White House.
You’re welcome. I won’t charge you for the correction. This time.
Villago Delenda Est
@Soonergrunt:
The thing here is, if some church does not want any same sex marriages performed on their property, well, that’s their right. No one is going to force them to, because correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re not a “public accommodation” in the traditional sense that say a shopping mall is. I mean, if you’re Jewish and have your heart set on a wedding ceremony in Notre Dame, you might as well just forget about either the wedding or the venue.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Cacti:
Polyandry? I thought that was the story about the little girl who was always optimistic. Now I know why she was.
Roger Moore
@rdldot:
I don’t think there’s great harm in letting churches carry out legal marriages, provided that any other organization can get the same ability with the same amount of hassle. I probably wouldn’t design the system we have today- I would have legal marriages carried out exclusively by the government- but I think we’re stuck with allowing churches to perform legal marriages. If you think the wingnuts are freaking out now, imagine how they’d behave if they were told their church couldn’t legally marry people.
Villago Delenda Est
@Roger Moore:
Well, right now, their church can’t legally marry people who don’t have a license to marry.
ZOMG! The evil secularists are dictating who we can legally perform wedding ceremonies for! It’s the gravest threat to the 1st Amendment, EVAH!
Roger Moore
@gelfling545:
Because he’s talking about amending the Constitution to make it so. An amendment is inherently Constitutional because it re-writes the Constitution to make it so.
Villago Delenda Est
We also mock racist shitstains. See comment #148.
Soonergrunt
@Villago Delenda Est: That’s precisely the case. Nobody is going to take away any church’s or pastor’s right to be a flaming bigot.
And nobody is going to force churches to allow gays to marry for the same reason that Jews cannot get married in Notre Dame.
But you’ll see a gay marriage at one of the Service Academy Chapels within the year, I’ll wager.
Villago Delenda Est
@Soonergrunt:
Oh, please, let it be at the USAF Academy. I’ll be able to hear the wingnut heads kerplode all the way over here on the left coast against the prevailing winds.
Felonius Monk
@Roger Moore:
It is slightly amusing how we’ve come full circle on this idea in this country. When the Puritans settled in New England, while they may have been religious bigots in many ways, they viewed marriage as the responsibility of the civil government and not in the purview of the church. How times have changed.
Villago Delenda Est
@Felonius Monk:
They also banned the celebration of Christmas.
Trollhattan
@Villago Delenda Est:
Perfect. Gay-marrying in Colorado Springs would be worser than their recent fire. Call that a pre-smite.
MikeJ
@Soonergrunt:
Authorized April 13, 2011.
December 1st, 2012, West Point point had their first gay wedding between two lesbians.
Felonius Monk
@Villago Delenda Est: I’d vote for wide inclusion here. Let’s mock wingnuts, racist shitstains, and fucktards of all stripes!
Oh, that’s right, we already do that with great regularity.
Villago Delenda Est
@MikeJ:
Yeah, but the ACID test is to gay men marrying.
That will be a doozy.
replicnt6
@geg6:
Uh, he’s living in Brazil, so he should do something for poor Argentines? I’m confused.
Roger Moore
@Cacti:
You’re being pedantic but incorrect. Polygamy is the generic term. It’s polygyny when you’re being specific about one man and more than one woman and polyandry when it’s one woman and more than one man.
burnspbesq
@Ted & Hellen:
The fact that you apparently consider yourselves to be two of those may be the biggest delusion in the history of history.
transientseeker
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Polygamy is the single, gender neutral word for having more than one spouse. Polygyny is to marry more than one woman, and polyandry is to marry more than one man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy
Fax Paladin
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): Polyamory. And, for the record, I know a woman in a happy relationship with two men…
eemom
There’s also “polyamory”, but I guess that’s just about having more than one partner, as opposed to being married.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
I think that depends on their individual arrangements. If they treat weddings as a religious service, use their own clergy to officiate, etc. they should be in the clear in only carrying out marriages that they approve of. That can include things far more restrictive than keeping out gays, like not marrying divorcees, only marrying couples where both are members in good standing, or the like. But if they are treating weddings as a business and just renting out their facilities, they will probably have to take all comers, whether they approve of their weddings or not.
Trollhattan
@eemom:
“polyamory” Huh, and here I thought that was having more than one wardrobe in a bedroom.
Halcyon
If we’re still looking for the cocktail recipe, isn’t this one obvious? Bitters and *Southern Comfort* is the correct recipe for Wingnut Tears.
gelfling545
@geg6: The Episcopal Church at the corner of my street is flying the rainbow flag today. I guess they’re pleased!
gelfling545
@Roger Moore: Oh yeah. amendment to Constitution, not to a law. Duh. Hot day & vodka & tonic #2.
Roger Moore
@gelfling545:
And, in fairness, who wants to read enough of what a wingnut is saying to see if it has any connection to reality? I can think of much better ways of spending my time, like those vodka & tonics.
Joe Miller
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): Marriage between one man and multiple women is polygyny. Polygamy is the blanket term.
A Ghost To Most
@John O:
Ah yes, the Cunning Linguist, master of many tongues.
Stella
@Yatsuno: It’s like Kettle Corn – salty sweet goodness!
Haydnseek
The drink should be Mad Dog 20/20 and White Lightning. Strained through a confederate flag. Served in a Dixie cup.
BlueNC
@Roger Moore:
tea bags
sugar cane
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
I love the preemptive condemnation of gay white men’s future desertion of civil rights for others. And their treacherous allegiance to the Clintons vs. Obama. This is a fascinating education. What else can you tell us about the nefarious, back-stabbing ways of white faggots?
Redshirt
I have a strategic reserve of Wingnut Tears and I’m willing to release some. For a price.
Xenos
@Felonius Monk:
This was actually a critical point – hard-core protestants did not consider weddings to be a legitimate sacrament (Jesus never married, just provided the drinks at a wedding), while the Church of England and Lutherans did consider marriage to be sacramental. When Methodists split off from the COE they dropped the marriage sacrament, too.
Among other things, this resulted in Presbyterians in Ireland having their marriages found illegitimate under British law, deligitimizing a generation of Presbyterian children. This led to heavy immigration to the colonies.
Now their descendants, often in Baptist or non-denominational churches, throw the term ‘sacrament’ around in an attempt to get the government to enforce religious norms. Clueless shitheels, them.
The Reverend Lowdown
The “wingnut tears” cocktail should be something a winger would absolutely hate. Maybe start with a glass of beer, brewed in a union brewery. Then drop a shot of liquor in it, preferably from some socialist country. Followed up with a toast like “demographics are a bitch!”. Sorry, my thoughts at bourbon 4+. It’s a quite a celebratory night for a rainy Wednesday. On a similar note, I bought a liquor decanter to put all the scotch that I have been winning by wagering my repub family members/fishing buddies during elections. Thank you fox news. They don’t ever see it coming and I don’t get tired of Glen Livet 18. I call the decanter “the romney”. I make it a point to text the pic of it to the bastards every couple of weeks. They must never forget.
something fabulous
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion: thanks; that was starting to kind of creep me out as well.
something fabulous
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Oooh, nice! maybe with a careful little float of Campari on top for a splash of Red State? Bitter redness that can’t take over the whole? :)
something fabulous
…aaand, too late to the thread, once again. (sobs quietly.)