There is no limit to what’s available on YouTube…
(still can’t find a version of Tom Paxton’s “Attica”, though).
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There is no limit to what’s available on YouTube…
(still can’t find a version of Tom Paxton’s “Attica”, though).
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? Martin
Missing Plug-in.
Why isn’t Flash dead? It’s utterly useless for video.
Pinkamena Panic
Still ass-deep in Toonami. As anyone who grew up in the 90s should be.
Mnemosyne
We got our new high-def, flat-screen TV all hooked up, and what are we watching? “The Bob Newhart Show” and Slap Shot from Netflix.
It is nice to have the bigger screen, though. And G was able to figure out how to get it to automatically switch aspect ratios rather than having it try to zoombox everything.
Hal
Michael Moore says Maureen Dowd nailed it on her piece on NSA/PRISM. I’ll take his word for it since I decided to never willingly read Dowd again after her Obama should act like my ex-boyfriend did in that movie where he played the President.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@Hal: perhaps Dowd nailed Moore?
ETA: grotesque notion to be sure.
The prophet Nostradumbass
Dueling ads on the page: “Should Holder resign?” And “Take the Ready for Hillary Pledge”.
RobertDSC-PowerMac G5 Dual
Playing Metal Gear Solid 2 as part of the MGS HD Collection. I played this game a zillion times in the PS2 days, but it feels dated in HD. The camera setup is awful in many places and the control scheme took a while to re-learn.
This is after I finally finished configuring my oldest Mac as a server, installing 2 250GB IDE drives. Another drive is on the way and a controller card is in the mail. I’ll have a good little machine after that’s done.
SpringTide
Tom Paxton did a song called ‘The Hostage’ about the Attica riot.
(Also recorded by Judy Collins)
From an interview: But I know that she (Judy Collins did those three songs, and did ’em beautifully. And then, later on, about ’71 something like that, she did a recording of my song about the Attica riots, called “The Hostage.” And god, she just nailed it. Nailed it!
SpringTide
Here’s Tom’s version of The Hostage
and
Judy’s
Hal
@The prophet Nostradumbass: What’s up with all the Newsmax headlines? Anyway, someone named Romney is calling for an IRS investigation. I wonder who this Romney guy is? Sounds really influential. Maybe he’ll run for President.
PeakVT
Doing a marathon of a well-known teevee space travel program. Much better than following this week’s “news”.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@PeakVT: Red Dwarf? That show ruled.
? Martin
This is a worthy read.
? Martin
@RobertDSC-PowerMac G5 Dual: You make me wish I had held onto my G4 Cubes, and the TAM. Sounds like you would have made a good home for them.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@Hal: about the Newsmax crap: apparently Cole gets paid for them, so, suckering money out of right wingers and all…
piratedan
@Hal: if you want to read about what a nothingburger this NSA thing is, go over to LGF. This time its actually the WaPo and GG and the Guardian showing the same journalistic integrity as Breitbart News.
Same old, same old, no one considers the source …. gee who’s reporting this stuff, oh yeah the same guys who have been wrong about every damn thing.
srv
I really hate it when blog ads show a 10% discount for a product I just bought online. Why can’t they figure out I wanted it before I wanted it?
RobertDSC-PowerMac G5 Dual
@? Martin:
Funny, I have a 17 inch Apple Studio Display with ADC connection. It’s obnoxiously large for my desk so I don’t use it. I also have a pair of the crystal speakers that came with the Cubes & iMac, unfortunately the connector on the end is proprietary and thus I can’t use them with any of my G5 Macs. I don’t know enough about wiring to cut the proprietary end off and splice them into something else.
It was a bad day when I learned that, especially since I was looking forward to using them with my G5 dual.
Debbie(aussie)
@Hal: and of course he would be totally open about his &/or his business returns/forms lodged with the IRS, I’m absolutely sure….
? Martin
@piratedan: What I’m further gathering is that GG is even more wrong than I originally thought. I thought PRISM was the ‘data escrow’ that I previously described. That escrow seems to be correct, but that’s not PRISM. PRISM is a separate system that integrates the data from the escrow servers along with other sources. If that’s the case, the tech companies wouldn’t have ever heard of PRISM as they have all claimed.
Ruckus
@? Martin:
It is indeed.
? Martin
I really feel like I should clarify something – I’m not exactly in favor of all of this. I know it sounds like I’m defending it, but I’m not really. But I really dislike tilting at windmills. I think it not only distracts from having a meaningful debate by shrieking about imaginary enemies, but I think it’s often done deliberately to have exactly that effect. Look at how utterly useless the right has become at legitimately attacking policy because they believe the government is buying up all of the ammo in order to implement death panels. We shouldn’t seek to be the tea party, and much of the reaction to this business has been exactly that, with GG playing the role of Michele Bachmann. So, I feel compelled to pull this argument back to some level of reality. If people can stop with the hysterics and understand this for what it actually is, then we can have a real discussion about it.
srv
@? Martin: I’m most fascinated by what is really happening here. I’m not interested in the meta debate about metadata. It’s pretty much no-shit Sherlock for me, I’ve been telling people going to protests to turn off their cell phones for over 10 years.
What I’m interested in is figuring out who is really driving this. It’s clear the media is in on this spin, the same way they were in on the spin to turn anyone who didn’t support the Patriot Act into a traitor. Some guy in the NSA did not wake up two weeks ago after serving Bush and have a guilt trip. Somebody is really making a strategic play to affect something, and it’s not about civil liberties. Conspiracy theories so far are:
1) Chinese asset leaks info in coordination with Obama meeting. Xi says “No more of this Chinese Hacker bullshit, Barack, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander?”
2) Someone wants to impact some other foreign policy agenda – Iran and Syria come to mind
3) Tom Donilon or the WH “Realists” are not happy Samantha Powers and Susan Rice are back, general 2nd term ratfucking by insiders
4) Media has just decided they hate Obama, revenge for AP issue
piratedan
@? Martin: well I don’t mind having a discussion about it… the problem is that thanks to the inaccuracies in the story, as put forth by GG and the Post, the framing has already been set in the minds of a lot of folks. It raises questions that Kay brought forth in other threads, there is oversight, but that oversight isn’t readily apparent or explained well in the original breaking story (gee, whocouldanode?). Do we discuss process, i.e. the laws that are in place that govern who handles the oversight and how transparent are those folks and their processes or do we simply blame Obama because bully pulpit and spare nary a glance at a Congress that has abdicated a large portion of their responsibilities to the executive because they can’t be bothered because making lawz iz hard.
The other questions are just how much privacy is there anyway and what data is being mined. It doesn’t sound as if it’s as intense as what marketers do to find out the places you shop and the brands you buy and who you talk to.
If you can believe what Clapper has stated and the fact that the government moved so quickly to declassify the synopsis of the PRISM program and when you look at the budget that has been allocated this may have a hint of big brother but christ almighty 20M (in the grand scheme of Government bureaucracy and spending) is pretty much chickenfeed and isn’t going to allow you to have buildings full of analysts tweaking and modifying search algorithms and submitting requests to the appropriate authorities for permission for the data sifting to be done. T
Anne Laurie
@SpringTide: That’s it! Thank you!
(All those many years ago, I heard Judy Collin’s version, and that’s how I remember first hearing / hunting down Tom Paxton’s music. Even though my unmusical parents, insofar as they listened to records at all, usually listened to folk music… )
Bill E Pilgrim
For God’s sake, you guys, yeah Glenn Greenwald is the problem. Oy.
New York Times: President Obama “has lost all credibility” on domestic surveillance issues. the ACLU calls it the worst scandal since Bush’s wiretapping, MSNBC says that Obama the candidate would never approve of what Obama the President is doing, since the candidate spoke out harshly against it.
But Glenn Greenwald is the “Michelle Bachmann of the left” for thinking the same thing? Give me a break.
So now Bill Keller’s Broderesque centrist playpen (he’s not editor but he still writes ridiculous editorials for them, the most recent but one his call for Ken Starr to be appointed to investigate Benghazi) is an extreme, nut case, so far-to-the-left-it’s-Michelle-Bachman-in-mirror-image newspaper?
Don’t misunderstand, you might well disagree with the NYT, with MSNBC, with the ACLU, and all the other initials that you deem to be getting this wrong, but if you want to claim that Greenwald is a way out there, so-far-to-the-left-it’s-right nut case because of his position on this, then you have to explain how all of these others who agree with him are also. Good luck making anyone think that about the freaking New York Times editorial board.
And now I have to go reload my keyboard with hyphens. Good day. I said, good-day-sir.
NotMax
@PeakVT
Lexx?
mai naem
@srv: I don’t think it’s Tom Donilon, from what I’ve heard, he wanted to go. I would like to know who the other “realists’ are. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the CIA and or military who’ve fucked over the Dems since at least JFK. My not so educated guess is the journos getting po’d about the AP stuff which is the reason why I think it was extremely stupid of the DOJ to look at AP stories. It would be bad enough if it had been some smaller organization like Reuters or McClatchy but pulling this stuff on the AP is being suicidal. I thought of the wag the dog theory but Obama doesn’t seem like that kind of personality.
I would like an honest assessment of how many terrorist events these programs have stopped and how many would have been caught using previous methods of monitoring. I also would like to know how many people they’ve gone after who’ve been completely innocent.
I know I sound like an Obot but I wonder if Obama could have politically stopped this stuff even if he could have. The Boston bombing would have automatically been turned into a ‘we wouldn’t have gotten bombed if Obummer had continued PRISM.” Interesting that Napolitano said that one of the reasons that the Boston bomber stuff got missed was because there’s so many possible threats reported that you can’t possibly go through every possible threat.
Bruce S
David Simon has one of the most rational, measured and informed reactions to the Big Data “exposes” I’ve seen (other than Bill Maher reading a USA Today “expose” of this story at the beginning of his panel discussion…dated to 2006.)
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
Emma
@Bill E Pilgrim: The New York Times is your authority? The paper that did its best to bring down Bill Clinton with bs? The same paper that unleashes the Republican ratf$uckers in “opinion pieces” every time the corporate oxen are nicked, never mind gored?
I’m with Martin. I want the discussion. As I have said repeatedly in these threads, there is a desperate need to define what “privacy” means in this brave new online world, and then to design strong laws to protect it. But, as usual, we’re all falling for the noise.
Bruce S
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I’m sorry Bill, but most of the reporting on this has been lazy and kneejerk, The notion that Greenwald has broken some major news about a previously secret program is a joke. There is also absolutely no specific information about how or whether this network – which has been reported for over half a decade has been used in a responsible way for law enforcement and useful intelligence or has been abused in some way. Anyone who didn’t know about the broad outlines of this data gathering has been living in a cave. Also, frankly, the argument that it’s a legitimate tool if used responsibly is going to be more compelling than hysteria about “Big Brother.” We’ve all bought into “Big Brother” when we started using this stuff. Anyone who thought otherwise is a dummy.
Baud
@Emma:
Pretty much this.
Lee
Neighborhood school LipDub
Bruce S
@Emma:
Bill Maher started his program Friday night with a “news” story about this from USA Today. Only glitch is that it was a story from 2006. As erratic as Bill Maher is – which is okay for a comedian, frankly – he did a better job of putting this “breaking news” in context than the editorialists, et. al. at NYT or the friendly folks at MSNBC. Yes, better “journalism” and context from a fucking comedian! I don’t think a lot of so-called journalists are nefarious so much as lazy and dull. They have a herd mentality for “the story” – recycling pre-fab narratives. Same for cable news in the 24/7 cycle. This often puts Rachel Maddow, et. al., who aren’t total jerks, in the same box as their foes at FOX. They are doing most of this on the run and concerned about audience. It’s not consistently thoughtful journalism – a lot of it is show business. Unfortunate.
I’m not happy with these Big Data programs, nor am I hysterical. Pretty much in the same place as you’ve suggested – they need some serious thought and attention, but unless and until there is some breaking news about how they’ve been abused I’m not about to escalate into outrage and/or total paranoia. I would be just as concerned if I thought the government wasn’t availing itself of this information in the effort to deal with al Qaeda operatives and such who want to blow shit up in the good ol’ USofA. There are bad guys we need to ferret out. And kill with fucking drones if necessary. And none of this stuff will be close to perfect or meet the standards of full-time critics like Glenn Greenwald. (That said, I’m all for having our share of hyper-active critics – a few obsessive cranks even. But they aren’t always right or rational in their perspective. It’s a mindset that can become as redundant and predictable as that of the bureaucrat who professionally excuses everything the government does.)
Emma
@Bruce S: I’ve always believed we need critics and cranks –they’re the necessary grit in the government gears. The people who face power and yell “hold it right there” are important. My problem is that so often I can’t bring myself to trust the people who are making the noise. Too often they seem to be people who would be very happy if their side had the power to do whatever it is or people with ego issues. So I spend way too much time scrutinizing the issues, because sure as puppies are cute, we can’t expect the media to do it for us.
Bruce S
Okay – this is weird. I’m getting better perspective and information on the NSA story from Bill Maher and some guy who used to edit PC World than from the “pinnacles” of journalism. We are truly fucked….
http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/
Bob, for example...
Perhaps we need an aggregator of reliable news.
The good stuff is likely on line. Just need some knowledgeable people to sort out the best.