Well, Nullify Know!

South Carolina is apparently putting the finishing touches on the Take Our Heath Care Ball And Go Home Plus Obama Sucks Act of 2013, as they prepare to waste millions on fighting the Supremacy Clause over something about hurt fee-fees or whatnot.  Also, FREEDOM.

South Carolina this week could become the first state in the country to restrict the enactment of Obamacare since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld that law last year.

A proposed bill, on special order in the state Senate, would allow the state attorney general to take businesses, including health insurers, to court if he “has reasonable cause to believe” they are harming people by implementing the law. The bill already has passed the House.

If it passes, the bill could push South Carolina to the forefront of Obamacare resistance, giving the state’s Republican leaders a national stage. It also could push South Carolina into yet another costly legal battle in the federal courts that, critics say, is unnecessary and avoidable.

“It is going to get us in court, as we all know. But … it is worth the risk to see if we can protect our state from this far-reaching federal legislation,” state Sen. Kevin Bryant, R-Anderson, one of the lawmakers pushing for the Senate to pass the bill this week before it adjourns for the year.

To recap, a bunch of guys who feel that the state is unfairly coercing citizens who disagree with them is passing a law allowing the state to specifically coerce citizens who disagree with them.  It’s still possible that the SC Senate could punt on this, but this is the same bill that would eliminate the penalty for not having health insurance as the state would give a tax refund to anyone penalized by the federal Obamacare statues, putting the state on the hook for, well, pretty much everything.  Because this kind of thing happened to Clinton all the time, right?

So yes, Fort Sumter, shot heard round the world, tree of liberty, Tippecanoe and Tyler too, Flames on the side of my face, don’t whiz on the electric fence, whatever.

93 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    Please let’s start referring to the bill as the Ft. Sumpter Act of 2013.

    And OT: Obama naming Susan Rice to be National Security Advisor. Media to report Obama picking fights with Republicans.

  2. 2
    Suffern ACE says:

    So the Feds can set up an exchange for South Carolina residents but if any company participates in them, it will be sued? Or does any company that offers a plan to its employees that is compliant with aca get sued?

  3. 3
    madmommy says:

    As a resident of Louisiana can I just say thanks to states like South Carolina and Mississippi for keeping us from being #1 on the hit parade of crazy. At least for today. I do have a question though-hubby brings home delightful factoids from his wingnut co-workers periodically. I can usually smack them down with a minimum of research but my Google-fu has failed me on this one. He tells me this morning that beginning next year, if you sell your house 3% of the proceeds of the sale will be collected off the top to pay for Obamacare. This is so bizarre on it’s face that I have a hard time believing it, but I can’t find anything that directly contradicts it. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can give him some factual information?

  4. 4
    Valdivia says:


    also FLOTUS is uppity for answering back to heckler in private home.

  5. 5
    Shakezula says:

    Only on the deeply psychotic Planet Republican could better access to health care be interpreted as harmful.

    Please proceed fucknuggets.

  6. 6
    Baud says:


    Why undertake the effort? Here’s my response to wingnuts: “I don’t believe you.”

  7. 7
    Baud says:


    Funny thing is that the heckler supported gay rights. I expect House republicans to introduce DOMA repeal legislation to spite the First Lady.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @madmommy: @Baud: “Bullshit” also works.

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    Valdivia says:


    hey if they do it out of spite who are we to argue eh? :)
    I find the way some activists treat our President and First Lady very despicable. Where is the respect?

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    madmommy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah…tried that. Without facts and data to back up what I tell him he will swallow any and all BS from his co-workers while doubting anything I tell him. Life in my house…nothing but fun!

  11. 11
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @madmommy: You could say you looked through the entire 1700(?) pages of the law and the provision is not in there.

  12. 12
    Baud says:


    Have you thought about divorce?

  13. 13
    Betty Cracker says:

    @madmommy: Snopes has the skinny here.

  14. 14
    Eric says:

    @MadMommy: try this

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    RSA says:


    Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can give him some factual information?

    From Fox Business News, of all places:

    Q: When selling my house, I understand there is now a 3% federal tax imposed on the sale to help pay for the Obama medical plan. Is this applicable to all sales?
    A: You’ve glommed onto some wrong information, I’m afraid. While the volume of erroneous emails, op-ed pieces and other communications penned following the March 2010 passage of the controversial Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has waned somewhat, the misinformation apparently lingers on. The National Association of Realtors received so many inquiries on the topic that it posted a myth-buster document on Realtors.org to refute it.

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    Nicole says:

    @madmommy: Here you go. It’s even from a Fox site. Read it and then tell your husband you had no idea you were married to a Richie McRich Rich and you expect some REALLY nice stuff for your birthday.


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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Baud: I think the protester might view the repeal of DOMA as a defeat, since she was there to demand action on ENDA.

  18. 18
    Baud says:


    It’s been going in for so long now it’s all just background noise to me. I couldn’t care less about them.

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    Kay says:


    It’s not true.

    It’s an investment income tax for high earners, on gains. Like the “death tax” though, I expect all conservatives to imagine they pay it.

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    gbbalto says:

    @madmommy: There is a tax for high earners – see Snopes

    ETA – Kay beat me to it!

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    JPL says:

    @madmommy: My understanding is the profit on a house will be taxed at 3 percent. If you sell a house and make more than 250,000 if you are single or 500,000 if you are married then that profit is taxed. For example, you buy a house for 200,000 and sell it for 500,000 then 50,000 would be taxed for a single person. Hopefully, someone corrects me if I’m wrong.

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    madmommy says:

    Other than his willingness to believe the wildest theories without a shred of proof, he’s actually a pretty good guy. Then there’s the whole plunging into desperate poverty while trying to feed and clothe two rapidly growing boys issue to consider.

    Thanks for the links everyone! I do so enjoy debunking the crackpot ideas he brings home. Maybe someday he will realize I am usually right LOL.

  23. 23
    Marmot says:

    “Because this kind of thing happened to Clinton all the time, right?”

    What? Far as I recall, “Hillarycare,” as the Repubs disparaged it, never made it into law.

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    Baud says:

    I hadn’t heard of the house tax myth before today. Interesting what they come up with.

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    Kay says:


    That one is all over the place, so I don’t blame him. We may have reached the point where it doesn’t matter if it’s true.

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    djork says:

    @madmommy: I’d just tell them it’s actually 10% and wait for the wails and gnashing.

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    JPL says:

    @Betty Cracker: Ah.. much clearer than my explanation. I hope someday to pay that tax.

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    JPL says:

    Since South Carolina receives $1.35 for every $1.00 they pay in federal taxes, why can’t we just let them go.
    Of course, that would mean no representation in Congress and they would have to get passports to cross state lines.

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    Walker says:


    He tells me this morning that beginning next year, if you sell your house 3% of the proceeds of the sale will be collected off the top to pay for Obamacare.

    That one is easy. There is no federal sales tax — at all. Particularly on real estate, which is 100% determined by state law.

    So if this were true, it is the fault of the state of Lousiana, not Obama.

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    Cassidy says:

    @JPL: Nah. That’s giving them what they want. If we’re going to do something like that, we need to give them Texas and relocate the Texans who want to be US citizens into the abandoned homes as we deport anyone claiming to be a republican, conservative, or libertarian. Then we can build the damn fence.

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    Ken says:

    Some wingnut pulled this one out on me, that’s how I found out. It’s not a sales tax, it’s an investment income tax, and it will apply to very few very high income sellers of real estate.

    Here’s the deal: it applies only to singles earning more than $200k and couples earning more than $250k. If such people sell real estate and realize a capital gain IN EXCESS of the very large exclusions they’re allowed to take (not freakin’ easy in this real estate market), a 3.8% tax applies TO THE EXCESS.

    Tax professionals estimate this will take a bite out of a fraction of one per cent of home sellers. But FOX viewers listened to their “news” source shriek (misleadingly) about it for months, broadly implying it applied to everyone.
    Try here.

    and here.

  32. 32
    Baud says:


    Well, I hope he knows he’s a lucky guy.

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    Nicole says:


    Other than his willingness to believe the wildest theories without a shred of proof, he’s actually a pretty good guy.

    I have an uncle who is similar. Kind and generous human being, but a total right-winger in his politics. Well, okay, he’s voted for the occasional Democrat at the local level, but not at the national, for sure. He also thinks Sarah Palin is a nice lady, so his people-reading skills are perhaps not the most finely honed.

    Which, come to think of it, makes me wonder about the Democrats he’s voted for.

  34. 34
    Baud says:


    Plus, if we let wing nut states secede, I’d have to become anti-immigrant.

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    MrSnrub says:


    Other than his willingness to believe the wildest theories without a shred of proof, he’s actually a pretty good guy.

    You need to start mocking these claims loudly until he gets the hint.

  36. 36
    Cassidy says:

    @Baud: Well as long as the “wrong” people don’t immigrate, we’re cool. I’ve always said we could use a lot less white people in this country.

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    Cassidy says:

    Jeebus, people, it’s @madmommy: ‘s husband. No one needs to be mocked or divorced. WTF?

    @madmommy: Throw him a bone every now and then. We like to be right.

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    Mardam says:

    Second time in a week on this site. Sorry…one of my pet peeves.

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    gratuitous says:

    Puts me in mind of the old joke about the two shoe salesmen who headed out to the Wild West. Upon arrival in his new sales territory, the first salesman wired back to his company to get him out of this godforsaken place. None of these primitive screwheads wore shoes! The second salesman wired the home office to ship him everything they could spare out of inventory, because nobody around here had a pair of shoes.

    We can write off South Carolina and let these knuckleheads continue to screw up their state. Or we can go Howard Dean on them, and get some organization going, show the people they don’t have to live like some Lord of the Flies scenario.

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    kc says:

    SC Republicans are going to cost my state 9 or 10 billion dollars by rejecting the Medicaid expansion. So what’s another few million to defend a blatantly unconstitutional law?

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Betty Cracker: I have my parents trained to go to snopes first. They get a bunch of stuff from my mom’s coworkers, and this has saved me a lot of looking up on my own.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    What do we call them? Oh yeah, “Fiscal Conservatives.”


    Sometimes I just crack me up.

  43. 43
    MrSnrub says:


    Sorry Cassidy…I meant mocking the claims, not the husband. Husbands should never be mocked.

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    El Cid says:


    James O’Keefe Pays $100,000 To ACORN Employee He Smeared-Conservative Media Yawns

    Remember James O’Keefe?

    That would be the same James O’Keefe who brought down community organizing and voter registration organization ACORN in his march to becoming a conservative icon for his alleged ‘good works’.

    Matthew Phelan and Liz Farkas over at Wonkette have broken the story about the first bit of blowback resulting from O’Keefe’s brand of ‘journalism’.

    It seems that the master of the cleverly edited—if highly deceptive—video reel is now being required to pay the sum of $100,000 to Juan Carlos Vera, a one time California employee of ACORN. Mr. Vera had been portrayed by O’Keefe as being a willing participant when O’Keefe and his accomplice, Hanna Giles, proposed smuggling young women into the United States to work as prostitutes.

    While Mr. Vera had no idea he was being surreptitiously video taped—which is not surprising given that California law expressly bars the secret recording of one’s voice or image—there was also something Mr. O’Keefe did not know until after he released the damaging video of his conversation with Vera for broadcast.

    As soon as O’Keefe and his partner-in-crime left the ACORN location, Mr. Vera called the police to report the entire incident. It turns out that Vera had been playing along with O’Keefe in an effort to ensnare O’Keefe and Giles whom Vera believed were in the act of breaking the law by proposing to engage in the importing of young women to become prostitutes.


    As part of the settlement, Mr. O’Keefe was required to say that he “regrets any pain” he caused Mr. Vera

    Quick! Defund James O’Keefe again!

    H/T GOS.

    [Edit: Crap–old article reboosted to commemorate the again GOP defunderationizing.]

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    jake the snake says:

    Remind me again why they wanted to stop South Carolina from seceding the first time.

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    Anya says:

    @Baud: worst media reaction is an idiot CNN anchor, (not sure what her name is), calling Susan Rice “highly controversial”, saying that “Susan Rice lied”, and calling this picking a fight and “not in spirit of bipartisan”, WTF, lady! Why not just hand the anchor’s chair to an RNC official. To his credit Jake Tappert challenged her assertions.

  47. 47
    Tom_B says:

    I get private health insurance because I run my own small business (sole proprietor). It costs a bundle. California recently discovered, not surprisingly, that Obamacare is cheaper than “shop your own plan”. I live in a currently wingnut state and fear the legislature will screw us over by resisting ACA. They’ve already tossed away free money by optimg out of medicaid expansion. I believe citizens should be allowed to sue state legislatures that block money-saving federal programs against the will of people in the states. After all, the much-over utilized 10th amendment speaks to states and PEOPLE, not just states.

  48. 48
    Citizen_X says:

    GOP version of the Red Wedding: shockingly, the Republicans all suddenly draw knives and stab themselves.

  49. 49
    aimai says:

    @MrSnrub: Put up a chart and have him write down his stupid claims and then check them off with a big red X everytime you disprove them. Eventually you will simply be able to silently point to the chart when he comes in and start telling you some new urban myth.

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    aimai says:

    @gratuitous: Very good point. The Ads really write themselves. Markey has run a fabulous ad here–though probably just online–of ordinary Massachuesetts women holding up signs showing just how much money/time/rent/utility bills they will save because their insurance companies willc over free contraception. The ad draws attention to the fact that Gomez, who is running for Kerry’s old Senate Seat, would have supported the Blunt Amendment which the Ad defines simply and comprehensively as “Allowing our bosses to decide what health care we can have.” Its really, really, really, shocking to see all these ordinary women demonstrating with dollars just how signficant this piece of the health care law is. Its kind of shocking seeing a politicians say straight out “women’s interests are voters interests and I’m going to protect them.”

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    negative 1 says:

    Why don’t we all agree to let them use a racial epithet without fear of retribution in exchange for stopping these ridiculous political exercises in wasting time. I bet they’d take up that bargain. “OK, on the count of three you can all now shout your favorite racial slur, ready…”

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    Davis X. Machina says:


    Or we can go Howard Dean on them, and get some organization going, show the people they don’t have to live like some Lord of the Flies scenario.

    What if they want to live in some Lord of the Flies scenario? People don’t define ‘self-interest’ in purely economic terms, perhaps not even primarily in economic terms.

    Team spirit can seem just as good as actual medicine; spite is almost a form of food.

    You’ll have to see levels of immiseration far in excess of what we’ve seen so far in these times before homo economicus leaves the textbooks and stalks the streets.

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    ruemara says:

    @madmommy: Maybe, once you guide him away from the crazy, you need to ask if he’s thought about why he’d take the word of people you’ve consistently proved are full of shit, versus his calm, loving, patient wife-who has always gotten it right. Because that kinda shit was half the nails in the coffin of my last relationship.

  54. 54
    bjacques says:

    It’s a nice day for a GOP Red Wedding. You can make it happen by putting it out that if the 2016 convention doesn’t have open carry and an open bar, it means the GOP sold out the base!

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    beth says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Team spirit can seem just as good as actual medicine; spite is almost a form of food.

    Exactly! Someone on my block put a sign on his trash that read “to be picked up by waist (sic) management only”. I have to assume he doesn’t like the black people who come in the morning and take away the junk they can reuse/resell.

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    MomSense says:

    I have a question for the balloon-juice brain trust. Take the State of Texas which is considered a donor state because they contribute more in taxes than they receive in federal funds. How is this determined? It seems to me that in a state like Texas where there is so much funding for universities, contract monies and tax breaks to corporations (like KBR or Bechtel) and the number of military and military bases means that there is a ton of stimulus going to all the grocery stores, restaurants, auto dealers, businesses, housing developers, builders,realtors, etc.

    With all the federal monies flowing to Texas, I find it very difficult to believe they are in fact a donor state.

  57. 57

    Too bad we can’t decide not to wait for states like SC and TX to dither around with secession threats, and just kick their sorry asses out of the Union.

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    negative 1 says:

    @MomSense: There are a lot of those things in a lot of states, though, and Texas by virtue of its size has a very large tax base. An important thing to consider is that there is kind of savings involved in very large states, in that certain fixed costs are the same for every state, but big costs spread it around more. Yes, some costs incurred by government are sort of on a ‘per user (resident)’ basis, but not all of them. When you get right down to it, think of the amount of citizens per university in the state (I bet it’s a lot higher than my small northeastern state) no matter how many University of Texas schools there are. Also remember that they give the corporations the tax break, not necessarily the employees. Yes they have a low state tax rate, but those employees still live there and pay taxes. They may also not give the kind of poverty tax breaks you may see in other (civilized) areas of the country.
    The rest of it is probably your perception of what makes donor states that way. It’s not all geography. Taxes as a concept are debated a lot, with only high and low used as the only descriptors, but efficient allocation of tax revenue versus collection is actually a challenging and very dynamic field.

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    sherparick says:

    I think we are wrong to call them the “Republican” Party. After all, Abraham Lincoln, Thaddeus Stevens, Charles Sumner, Theodore Roosevelt, and Fiorello LaGuardia were real “Republicans.” Since so many of these guys go around shouting “states rights” and “nullification” and making implicit and sometimes explicit statements of white male superiority and the inferiority of the “Blahs,” the Browns, and women in general, they should be know as Tom Levinson calls them, “The Confederate Party,” the Party of Treason and Racism. It is amazing how the Conservative Movement’s roots really go back to this Neo-Confederate ideology. See http://chronicle.com/blognetwo.....ciliation/.

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    catclub says:

    @madmommy: If you have income over about $250k and you have
    capital gains, then those capital gains are taxed at an extra 3%. Not quite the same as what the wingnuts are saying.

    1. It is not the total cost of the house, it is the capital gain

    2. It only applies when income is over $250k/yr

    3. Capital gains have an absurdly preferable tax treatment at the moment.

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    deep tin says:

    Sherman was too easy on ’em.

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    catclub says:

    @MomSense: ” I find it very difficult to believe they are in fact a donor state.”

    Some people find it very difficult to believe that evolution could occur. Other people look at and understand the details and think it does. Who can say?

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    Todd says:

    So does this mean that South Carolina wingnuts will no longer receive SS or military pensions? Because that would be funny.

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    maya says:

    Psst….I’ve heard that there’s going to be a 5% surcharge on all South Cakalacky golf course green fees to pay for Oblackiecare. Pass it on.

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    Woodrowfan says:


    Maybe the Jenny Craig people are raiding his trash?

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    RaflW says:


    Obama naming Susan Rice to be National Security Advisor. Media to report Obama picking fights with Republicans.

    I like it.

    If a SCOTUS seat opens up (ahem, Ruth, ahem) Obama should just plainly say to the GOP “Vote my nominee up or down. If you filibuster, I’ll pick a more liberal candidate next…”

    I know, it’s a fantasy, but it would serve them right.

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    catclub says:

    @maya: That’s an Agenda21 UN tax, by the way.

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    RaflW says:


    We can write off South Carolina and let these knuckleheads continue to screw up their state. Or we can … show the people they don’t have to live like some Lord of the Flies scenario.

    At this point I’d favor the scenario in which S.C. finally stops being a taker and gets closer to $1 of tax in –> $1 of tax back. If abandoning ACA is the ticket, so be it. But we should pool our resources to buy bus tickets for the folks being screwed over. Get them the heck out of that awful place.

    I marvel, in a wretched sort of way, at all the people who keep moving to Texas (I still have some family there). Or any sunbelt state. Sure, the winters are mild, but the politics are horrible and the summers are worse (and getting hotter and more fire-prone). Flee, people, flee!

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    grandpa john says:

    As a resident of SC, I weep daily. . And then I think of the fools I am surrounded by, that voted these assholes into Office and continue to do so. You know there ought to be someone in the media or somewhere to remind these fucking morons that we have already tried “nullification” one time and we all should remember how well that worked.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @madmommy: I think that must be a brand new BS lie you’ve uncovered.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Baud: I also ask them to source it from a ‘legitimate’ news site & Free Republic/Drudge does not count.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @djork: I like that! Excellent idea.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @jake the snake: I think they had a nice harbor.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @JPL: THIS. The best idea of the decade.

    I’d go a step further. For eacy SC resident that crosses state lines to obtain healthcare from an ACA state, supply the care at no cost to the resident – but send the entire bill to SC, and take the “offset” from other items (like the Army Corps of Engineers’ work in Charleston harbor, for example) if the state insists it’s too broke to pay.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @beth: Nope. That “somebody” was putting out stuff for the dumpster-divers, so it was spelled correctly. And s/he probably wrote it off as a “charitable donation,” too.

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    MomSense says:


    More like if you look at the Moody’s Analytics numbers about types of stimulus you will see that for every $1 you spend on food assistance it puts $1.73 into the economy because people buy food and that is good for grocery stores and their employees who buy things, etc. So all I am trying to find out is whether or not the determination of donor states takes into account all of the ways in which a dollar from the federal government supports the local economy.

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    maya says:

    @grandpa john: An old high school friend moved to SC 7 years ago and loves it. Lives in an HOA condo with “low taxes”, plays golf all the time and when it gets too hot goes to visit relatives in New England.
    I had the Parris Island experience 50 years ago – no politics involved then – and never missed it a bit. The Spanish moss is purty, though.

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    grandpa john says:


    Or we can go Howard Dean on them, and get some organization going, show the people they don’t have to live like some Lord of the Flies scenario.

    Amen brother, preach it on. 40+ % of us already vote democratic, If our fucking gutless national party would have listened to Dean and worked to establish a strong state level party, there would all ways be a chance. Our Latino population is also expanding rapidly. along with the Black population. the problem? there is no strong democratic party organization working on getting the minorities registered to vote or to get out the vote. Its easier for them to sit around and bitch about the repubs

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    grandpa john says:

    @jake the snake: because contrary to the beliefs of some here , 40+% of us are NOT batshit crazy

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @maya: I’ve had job offers from SC – and to get them, and get that (what – 2%? 3%?) “tax cut” I had to take a 50-60% pay cut (and this over Virginia, so it’s not like I’m facing Taxachusetts rates now). Dunno about your classmate, but I’ll take my (very slightly) higher tax rates thankyouverymuch.

    FYI I moved here from tax-allergic Florida, and was roundly chastised by people down there for moving to a “commonwealth – and you know what that means.” I took a demotion, loss of staff, loss of projects, and got a 40% pay hike for it. And my cost of living is actually slightly lower, too. It would be easier arguing with the Teahad if they weren’t so bad at math.

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    grandpa john says:

    @beth: So he doesn’t realize that once it hits the street, (public property) then it becomes fair game to anyone?

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    grandpa john says:

    @maya: True, these are the people who have it made, are retired, and have no financial worries,Many of them are Northerners who sold out at twice what the had to pay here. they like it here because of low taxes, lim ited regulation ( SC is a right to work state) lower cost housing and land. For the upper crust is Mecca

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    AHH onna Droid says:

    @gratuitous: Large Black and Hispanic pop, although I would focus on Georgia bc Romney’s margin there was bad. Atlanta bigger and more yankeefied/reinvaded by remigrant AAs than ugh Charleston or SC’s other shithole hyperred cities. SC black dems did run a nice ofa. Latinos rumored to be mostly guestworkers. Dunno if dems could pick up poor whites. All the sc dems care about are uppper midddle class gated community class-identity voter-donors, no populism heah! I think more federal investment in people NOT DOD bases would pay off more than organizing in general. SC is not low hanging fruit. Need to take VA, NC, FL and then kick some serious GOP ass in GA. GA GOP is fat and lazy and facing demographic destruction. This should energize the black belt in MA, AL to take control of local govts. AL is pretty shitty, not as bad as you think. MS is worse.

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    maya says:

    @boatboy_srq: The hs friend is retired. Makes all the difference as@grandpa john: states. Nice pension, cheap housing, little to no taxes. A Del Webbie’s wet dream.

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    Seanly says:

    My wife is worried about this law because we still own a house in crappy Columbia, SC that we would love to get rid of. We aren’t underwater on it, but would lose money on a sale once realtor’s fees are included. So if SC shoots itself in the foot, my wife is worried that businesses will avoid SC (more than they already do) and we’d have to hang onto the house even longer.

    I’m generally of the opinion that there are not many mistakes in life, but I definitely view buying that house in SC as one and on my worst days, consider even the move to SC as one. Thankfully now we live in beautiful Boise which is conservative but clean, friendly and nowhere near as humid.

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    A.J. says:


    Ah, that hoax. Coming around again is it? If you dig deep enough you can find where it is debunked.

    It’s a hoax that goes back to April of 2010, one month after the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” passed. Gee? How convenient.

    This nonsense comes from gop.gov; the website for the Rethuglican Party in DC. The Chairman of the GOP.gov is neocon waste of space, Jeb Hensarling from Yee-Haw! Texas.

    If this is the lie you are asking about: “(If you) sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8% sales tax on it? That’s $3,800 on a $100,000 home, etc.”, then, ummm. No. There is a 3.8% tax, but there are exclusions.

    There is no tax on a $100,000 sale. Or $200,000. Or even $300,000. If you and your spouse make $300,000 in wages, and you bought a home that you lived in for a while for $600,000, that you now sell it for $1 million (a $400,000 capital gain), your capital gains tax on that home sale would be – zero!

    If you got lottery-level-lucky and the home sold for $1.2 million, thereby resulting in a capital gain of $600,000, only $100,000 of that capital gain would subject to the new tax (because there is a $500,000 exclusion). So the tax on that $600,000 would be $3,800. (Eff. tax rate of 0.63%)

    For those lucky to earn above those income thresholds, and who have a capital gain on a home that is a second home or one that does not qualify for principal residence (i.e., lived in for too short a period of time), only then would the full capital gain would be subject to the new 3.8% tax.

    ‘Sez who? The Tax Foundation.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @maya: Ah, yes. I know the type. Used to run into them at the polls – all whinging about high taxes, moaning how much the school district costs, and then wondering why they couldn’t find skilled home-health aides, nurses, doctors, etc (i.e. people who need things like schools). My fave disconnect came from the folks who sent tax-cutting wingnuts to Washington because their state-assessed property taxes were too high, and complained that nothing got done and their (property) tax bill was still going up.

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    Should’ve fucking hanged Jefferson Davis and a hundred more Confederates! Should have seized the property of the plantation aristocracy.

    Those fuckers and their scions are still in charge and are still a bunch of fuck-all morons.

    Sorry, back to PG-13 in a while…

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    This is going to sound mean, but I care very little about what happens in the ultra red states like South Carolina. If their citizenry are okey dokey with the foolish antics of Repub politicians, then I’m okey dokey too since I don’t live in an ultra red state, never visit them and don’t have to suffer the repercussions of their foolishness.

    I’m a little worried about Virginia’s governor race though since I live right next door. Hope Coochie doesn’t win.

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    fuckwit says:

    @grandpa john: This is the correct answer. We’re one country. I’m over the whole “let them secede” bullshit from the left, which I used to buy into, then I realized it’s just stupid tribalism. It may be fun to slag on rednecks, but it’s not productive, in fact it’s actively counterproductive.

    No American should have to suffer living in the Confederacy, not even in South Carolina. We can have strong progressives in the Deep South too. It takes outreach, patience, money, and grassroots effort.

    Bring back Chairman Dean, I say, at the DNC. There is no time we need him more than right now.

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    fuckwit says:

    @Marmot: That is because they hate women even more than they hate black men.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Lesser Carolina appears to be taking seriously the challenge posed by the GOP nutjobs in NC, which threatens to derail their two-century winning streak in Dumbest Carolina of the Year.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:


    I’ve heard that there’s going to be a 5% surcharge on all South Cakalacky golf course green fees to pay for Oblackiecare. Pass it on.

    I heard that there’s a 15% tax on mustard BBQ sauce to cover the copays for birth control. Not tomato, not vinegar, just mustard. Tell everyone.

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