Some Good News On The Repro Rights Front

SCOTUS is punting on the 7th Circuit’s block on Indiana’s law stripping Planned Parenthood of funding, meaning the block will remain:

The Supreme Court will not disturb a lower court ruling that blocks Indiana’s effort to strip Medicaid funds from Planned Parenthood because the organization performs abortions among its medical services.

The justices did not comment Tuesday in rejecting the state’s appeal of a federal appeals court ruling in favor of Planned Parenthood.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the state law targeting Planned Parenthood went too far. Indiana is among more than a dozen states that have enacted or considered laws to cut off taxpayer money to organizations that provide abortion.

So that’s some good news, at least.

The case now goes back to federal court in Indianapolis to determine whether a temporary injunction blocking the 2011 law should be made permanent.

But American Civil Liberties Union attorney Ken Falk says he believes the state will drop the case.

Falk says the court decisions have held that Indiana can’t deny women the right to choose their own medical providers. The state Legislature tried to deny Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood because it performs abortions.

Meanwhile, about a dozen other states will keep engaging in these particular acts of coitus with all available domestic poultry at taxpayer expense, including apparently Ohio (now under total GOP control, mind you.)

Fun.






76 replies
  1. 1
    Yatsuno says:

    Why my state rulz. This was passed by citizen initiative.

  2. 2
    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    @Yatsuno: I’m going to go ahead and assume that this is another product of King County tyranny. Also too, I need to know what Clint Didier has to say on this matter.

  3. 3
    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    Chicken rape isn’t cool, guys.

  4. 4
    Patricia Kayden says:

    “The state Legislature tried to deny Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood because it performs abortions.”

    I thought PP didn’t perform abortions, but informed women of where they could get legal abortions. Not that I care about the distinction since abortion is legal and PP has the right to perform them, but I understand that Rightwingers often wrongly accuse PP of performing abortions as an excuse to defund PP.

  5. 5
    Poe says:

    Just like you libs. All capitalistic for planned parenthood to make money off women who dont know better, and demanding socialistic health care for the rest of us.

  6. 6
    Hunter Gathers says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I thought PP didn’t perform abortions

    They do. The funds they use to perform abortions are separate from the state/federal funds that they receive (by law, see Hyde Amendment). But that doesn’t stop legislatures with white trash bible thumper majorities from raising a stink about it. The funds used to perform abortions are 100% private. But since abortion makes White Trash Jesus cry, well, you know the rest.

  7. 7
    EconWatcher says:

    OT, but the chutzpah of Rogoff and Reinhart is breathtaking. Apparently things have quieted down enough now for them to realize their careers are not going to take much of a hit. So they’ve now launched a campaign against the “remarkable incivility” of Krugman.

    Krugman was actually remarkably generous to them, because he never really took them to task for the apparently fraudulent nature of their data selection; he instead just took the exposure of errors in their paper as an opportunity to point out that austerity has hurt lots of real people.

    I hope this is a lesson to Krugman. There is no point in showing any mercy to people like this.

  8. 8
    MomSense says:

    @EconWatcher:

    Yeah maybe if the people who have been harmed by austerity programs showed up outside their offices with pitchforks they could complain about incivility.

  9. 9

    Meanwhile, look at what passes for sex education at the Nashville high school my kids would be attending had I not decided to stick a fork in Jesus’ eye and avoid breeding this lifetime:

    Having sex with eight partners would be the equivalent of drinking a whole classroom’s spit, so the presentation goes. There’s a new sexually transmitted disease out there that will become the new AIDS. All medical textbooks say life begins at conception.

    […]

    Then Wasill takes over, saying “fetus” means the same thing as “baby” while holding a model of one. She shows ultrasound video and pictures, saying one is of her friend’s now 5-year-old child. She paints a grim picture of the various types of abortion: dismembered fetuses, punctured uterine walls, bleeding for 8-9 weeks, death.

    And then there’s this:

    If a girl becomes a single mom to a boy, she says: “Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men? Hunting, fishing, playing ball, all those things that teach them how to be a man and setting those boundaries?

    WHO INDEED? OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

  10. 10
    Chyron HR says:

    @Southern Beale:

    If a girl becomes a single mom to a boy, she says: “Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men? Hunting, fishing, playing ball, all those things that teach them how to be a man and setting those boundaries?

    So abortion at least needs to be legal and readily available for single women? Okay, that’s a good start. I’m glad they were able to meet us halfway on this.

  11. 11
    scav says:

    @Chyron HR: Yep, especially for male babies it looks like. Girls don’t fish or need boundaries set or something like that. huh?

  12. 12
    Gex says:

    I’m sure they’d rather take a case like this closer to 2016.

  13. 13

    @Chyron HR:

    So abortion at least needs to be legal and readily available for single women?

    Yeah, right. The State will take babies away from irresponsible teen mothers and give them to childless, traditionally married couples who are having trouble conceiving. Any babies who are left over are just trash anyway- just look at their parents and you know they’ll never amount to anything- and can be transferred to orphanages until they’re old enough to be sent to prison.

  14. 14
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Southern Beale:

    If a girl becomes a single mom to a boy, she says: “Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men? Hunting, fishing, playing ball, all those things that teach them how to be a man and setting those boundaries?

    I’m a married man with three boys. I haven’t taken my boys hunting and fishing because I’m just not that into those (fished as a kid, didn’t care for it). As for playing ball, my youngest is the only one that really cares for it.

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    Violet says:

    @Chyron HR: She’s all ready for that issue:

    Pregnant girls could go to the Hope Center, she says, and she’s got cards she can give them. A section of the Nashville Hope Clinic for Women’s website said it is faith-based and was opened “to reach both the abortion minded and pro-life young woman prior to going to an abortion clinic and sooner than she would take to go to an adoption agency.”

  16. 16
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    If a girl becomes a single mom to a boy, she says: “Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men? Hunting, fishing, playing ball, bigotry, homophobia, drunkenness, all those things that teach them how to be a man and setting those boundaries?

  17. 17
    Violet says:

    The comments on the article are kind of interesting. More questioning of this group being in the school that I would have expected. This comment from someone who agreed with them being there is interesting:

    Most teens today aren’t scared of anything. Look at the movies they watch. They need to be scared of something.

    Yes, yes, they need to be scared of something. Fear, fear, fear. It’s the wingnut way.

  18. 18

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    You forgot, “.. keeping wimminz in their proper place (the kitchen, DUH!)…” LOL.

  19. 19
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Violet: Maybe we could teach teenagers to be afraid of wingnuts.

  20. 20
    Corner Stone says:

    Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men?

    It’s obvious my worst fears have come true. Every where I turn nowadays I see more encouragement for the gayness. It’s not my fault!
    I blame the Gay Agenda. And Obama. Same thing, I guess.

    Now…who’s up for some getting gay married!?

  21. 21

    @Violet:

    Well, as you know, Nashville is pretty progressive, and this district especially. I imagine these ladies were greeted with the same sarcasm and rolled eyes we gave “Officer Bob, here to tell you kids how drugs are BAD!” when I was in school.

    It’s worth noting that the whistle was blown on this by a student, who recorded the talk and brought it to a parent’s attention.

  22. 22
    Corner Stone says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: You also forgot, “watching movies about gladiators”.

  23. 23

    @Roger Moore:

    The State will take babies away from irresponsible teen mothers and give them to childless, traditionally married couples who are having trouble conceiving.

    Snort. Get real! As if there are a wealth of “traditionally married couples” willing to take on that extra burden. No, we’ll see a return to orphanages — wasn’t it Newt Gingrich who bemoaned the good ol’ days of orphanages? — and then of course we’ll need to give these kids something to do, maybe a good ol’ fashioned sweat shop?

  24. 24
    Corner Stone says:

    @Roger Moore:

    and can be transferred to orphanages until they’re old enough to be sent to prison.

    Are there no workhouses? What kind of sick liberal world are you proposing where we molly coddle them from crib to grave!

  25. 25

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Maybe we could teach teenagers to be afraid of wingnuts.

    Do you think they need much help?

  26. 26

    @Corner Stone:

    You also forgot, “watching movies about gladiators”.

    Also, too, going to strip clubs and sexually harassing women.

  27. 27
    El Caganer says:

    @Forum Transmitted Disease: It depends. Are we talking about legitimate chicken rape?

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    scav says:

    @Violet: So, fear of zombies and vampires is an effective prophylactic and contraceptive? Or are they entirely unaware of B-movies? (Or, are they whining about the slate of eternal remakes that are gracing the large screens — have comic book heros lost their spermicidal superpowers?)

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    cvstoner says:

    Whatever your stance on abortion, Planned Parenthood provided many, many other beneficial services to underprivileged women.

    To focus on just this one aspect without regards to the rest is just pure meanness.

  30. 30
    Corner Stone says:

    @Roger Moore: Oh, hell, they all know how to do that. It’s like girls knowing how to sew. Just comes natural.

  31. 31
    Violet says:

    @Southern Beale: Yeah, three cheers for that kid. The ubiquity of phones and cameras makes things like that possible where they weren’t even a decade ago.

    I clicked over on the Facebook page for the woman whose comment I quoted. In her Favorites under Other there’s a list of groups she’s Friends with:

    ♥ I LOVE SHEFFIELD ♥, Christians Supporting Israel as our Ally, Woodmont Baptist Church, Being Conservative, Conservative Daily, Alabella Studios, Raising Red, I am a Woman of God, NewsBusters.org, Jesus Loves You, I am a Conservative Woman, Mr. Conservative, Stop Amnesty, New Life America, Family Talk with Dr. James Dobsonand 42 more

    She’s like a wingnut parody. I didn’t even know half those things existed.

  32. 32

    @Southern Beale:

    As if there are a wealth of “traditionally married couples” willing to take on that extra burden.

    There aren’t that many, but we need to grab as many babies as possible so the childless couples have plenty of choice. After all, only a small fraction of the illegitimate babies are perfect blonde haired, blue eyed Aryans. And, as I said, the leftovers can go to orphanages and (eventually) prison.

  33. 33
    Shakezula says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Having sex with eight partners would be the equivalent of drinking a whole classroom’s spit, so the presentation goes.

    All at once? HAWT!

  34. 34

    @cvstoner:

    Whatever your stance on abortion, Planned Parenthood provided many, many other beneficial services to underprivileged women.

    Unless you’re a wingnut, in which case most of the services Planned Parenthood offers (i.e. medical care) should be left to The Invisible Hand of the Free Market(TM), and the rest (i.e. contraception, family planning) are just as evil as abortion.

  35. 35
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Shakezula: If you have sex with 23, there’s a >50% probability that two of them will have the same birthday.

  36. 36
    gene108 says:

    Teen pregnancy rates are lower than pretty much any time since WWII ended.

    Clearly these presentations have desired effect, as well as abstinence only education that has become more common.

    Good Job!

  37. 37

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):
    You’ze be DOIN’ IT WRONG according to these ladies, then.

  38. 38

    I wonder if there’s some way we can get this group’s approval to “teach” in public schools revoked since they’re peddling BS.

    I seem to recall Planned Parenthood had or has a real sex ed curriculum for schools and the local Christian Taliban got it yanked (or tried to).

  39. 39
    scav says:

    @gene108: Might easily be the rise of violent video games, ipads and tweeting since WWII too (no time left over — lack of personal interaction). Or pirates, I’ve the impression piracy is involved somewhere.

    Funny how pre-WWII parents never tried the stern talking to technique. . . .

  40. 40
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Hunter Gathers: Thanks for the clarification. I donate directly to PP and am glad to see that the Supreme Court let the 7th Circuit’s block remain in effect.

    The scary thing about Rightwingers is that they are not just against abortion but against contraception. I find that shocking. I get that there could be some controversy about ending an unwanted pregnancy, but I don’t get the vitriol against preventing pregnancies altogether.

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    Shakezula says:

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent): That would be almost like having sex with twins. HAWTer!

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    Supernumerary Charioteer says:

    @Shakezula: How the fuck is that even being measured, anyway? If you’re taking the ‘partners’ bit as ‘the amount of spit you get when you make out with a person’, that’s supposed to be four times the amount of one person just spitting in a jar? How long are these makeout sessions, a minute and a half? And if you’re worried about communicable diseases, wouldn’t you worry more about receiving spit from thirty people as opposed to eight?

    How do you fight illogical gibberish when it’s being made at warp speed like this?

  43. 43
    WereBear says:

    Woo hoo: As someone in the generation who was told just give it up for adoption, I have to call crap.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Your life began when Adam and Eve took a byte from the apple. 6000 years of copulation was preordained from that point on. God has a plan for all that sex no one is supposed to think about.

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    dr. luba says:

    @Southern Beale:

    As Murphy Brown noted when she learned teh sex of her fetus:
    “Well, I always wanted to teach my kid to throw a knuckleball, to play seven card stud, and to fix the carburetor on an MG. I guess I’ll just have to do that with a boy.”

  46. 46
    Hunter Gathers says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I don’t get the vitriol against preventing pregnancies altogether

    White Trash Jesus tells them to have as many children as possible (to fend off the roving gangs of browns who have the temerity to worship the wrong invisible man in the sky), and since they are Christianists, their tax-exempt pastors and what not demand that they impose their fucked-up belief systems on others, because White Trash Jesus tells them to. It’s all in the Bible, evidently.

  47. 47
    WereBear says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: If a girl becomes a single mom to a boy, she says: “Who’s going to do all those things that men like to do with men? Hunting, fishing, playing ball, bigotry, homophobia, drunkenness, all those things that teach them how to be a man and setting those boundaries?

    Or, for that matter, who is going to do all those things women like to do with women… since a single mother is usually juggling 2-3 jobs and can’t even get enough sleep?

    Oh, it’s just women. Who cares, then?

  48. 48

    @Supernumerary Charioteer:

    How do you fight illogical gibberish when it’s being made at warp speed like this?

    No, the question is: how do you fight illogical gibberish when it’s being sold as absolute, 100% scientific fact? From the story:

    Every bit of the presentation is based on research, Wasill said later. And if students think it portrays one option over another, she can’t help it.

    “Again, we’re getting the medical, factual information that comes straight from the health textbook and other sources,” Wasill said.

    The “source” is probably the same place where Todd Akin got his “in a legitimate rape the female body shuts that whole thing down” bullshit.

  49. 49
    gene108 says:

    @scav:

    Funny how pre-WWII parents never tried the stern talking to technique. . .

    pre-WW2 they had no need to. Children were dutiful and did not rebel and did not engage in premarital sex.

    Only the rise of the negro devil rock and roll music and its popularity with good white Christian people subverted our society.

  50. 50

    Let me add, I’m so glad I’m not the only one outraged by this BS. I swear, living in a red state is starting to wear on me.

  51. 51
    Tonal (visible) Crow says:

    Once again the ACLU kicks ass and takes names. Help them continue their good work: donate now!

  52. 52

    @Southern Beale:

    Every bit of the presentation is based on research, Wasill said later.

    She found it on the Internets, so it must be true.

  53. 53
    gene108 says:

    @WereBear:

    What exactly about the Steinberg Wiki is crap?

  54. 54

    @gene108:

    What exactly about the Steinberg Wiki is crap?

    Not what’s in Wikipedia, the idea that you should give a baby up for adoption to make sure that it goes to a good home. She’s holding up Steinberg as a cautionary tale about what can go wrong with adoption.

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    scav says:

    @gene108: So, all those pre-wwii illegitimate births that allowed for the falling rates since then were virgin births. How the world has indeed fallen in sanctity.

    I knew that negro devil jazz music scare was a premature false alarm though, right in there with the hair bobbing panic.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Corner Stone: Apparently the fact that it just comes naturally is why it’s so important to teach it.

  57. 57
    Paul in KY says:

    @Poe: You are on to us, comrade. Will ensure excellent welcome for you in the camps.

    Buwahahahahahahaha!!!!

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    Shakezula says:

    @Supernumerary Charioteer: These would be excellent questions to ask, not least because these critters can’t stand it when people ask questions.

    A question I always have is how much do these shills get paid for these stunts. I think that is a perfectly legitimate question for people in the area to ask. Loudly. And often.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Supernumerary Charioteer: Wirh derisive laughter.

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    gene108 says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Thanks. I wasn’t sure, if she had an issue with the facts of the Wiki or something else.

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    WereBear says:

    @gene108: I’m just saying, as a child of the 1970’s, we were told to give our child up to a God-fearing, Christian home… which was better than what our pitiful-single-parenthood selves could provide.

    And more Christian than our sick, rotten, illegitimate sinful wombs could offer.

    Except… it didn’t work out that way, did it?

  62. 62

    My mom was a pre-WWII baby. Sent to Catholic boarding schools. She said in the health class, taught by Jesuits, they were all told that in the factory, one out of every 10 condoms was intentionally pricked with a pin.

    Yes, that’s what they were taught.

    I asked her, why would a condom factory do that? Seems like the very LAST thing a condom factory would want to do is have a product that failed. She said, oh yeah. That makes sense.

    Apparently none of the kids thought of asking the Jesuit priest that question but hey, it was the 1940s.

  63. 63
    WereBear says:

    @Roger Moore: the idea that you should give a baby up for adoption to make sure that it goes to a good home. She’s holding up Steinberg as a cautionary tale about what can go wrong with adoption.

    Damn straight.

  64. 64

    @WereBear:

    Did you read Julia Scheere’s memoir, Jesusland? An AMAZING book. Kinda makes your point …

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    WereBear says:

    @Southern Beale: Yes, I did. And yeah, it does.

    I got away from the Southern Baptists.. Without a lot of the same scars. Should I weep, or should I rejoice?

    Opinions differ, don’t they?

  66. 66

    @WereBear:

    Opinions differ, don’t they?

    Yes, which is why things like sex-ed should be based on FACTS. Sadly .. as long as facts have a liberal bias we’re stuck with opinions in these red states.

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    WereBear says:

    Ack!

    I’m getting flack for a post that says veganism is not necessarily the answer.

    If you agree, chip in?

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    eclecticbrotha says:

    Meanwhile, about a dozen other states will keep engaging in these particular acts of coitus with all available domestic poultry at taxpayer expense

    WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHICKENS????!!!!11

  69. 69
    Jay C says:

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Your life began when Adam and Eve took a byte from the apple. 6000 years of copulation was preordained from that point on.

    All at once, or can it be worked out in little bits at a time??

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    MeDrewNotYou says:

    @WereBear: Their point is still valid. Steinberg ain’t exactly a good Christian family name, if you know what I’m saying.

    /snark

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Jay C: 6000 years of copulation

    I’m not sure I’m good for that…. not even when I was younger.

    Not even Zapp Brannigan….

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    Interrobang says:

    @WereBear: By the same token, and speaking as an adoptee born in the 1970s, if I hear one more Catholic priest, punditoid, or other speaker-in-the-media make some kind of disparaging remark about how adoption is just some kind of second-rate “not a real family” deal, I’m going to lose my shit. It’s bad enough that every second reference you see online to adoption is something using “You’re adopted” as some kind of negative punchline…

    I mean, fuck, coercively take us away from our birth mothers and even if we do ok by the adoptive ‘rents, then you gotta keep up with this drumbeat that we’re just defective goods anyhow? Holy Moses, give me a break!

    And the pro-forced-birth crowd wonders why I’m pro-choice to the point of probably being an asshole about it…

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @WereBear: Hey, you’ve got some really touchy vegans at your joint, and one just decided that since you didn’t sooth her fee-fees adequately that she’s taking her 2000 plus eyeballs and sending them elsewhere since many of them are also vegans/vegetarians who are too delicate of flowers to be exposed to things that make them uncomfortable about their choices. I also have to ask if the “vet student” real, since vowing to never kill an animal means euthanasia, an unhappy but necessary part of veterinary practice, is right out the door.

    Sorry folks, but I’ve just about hit my limit on in-your-face vegans. One explained to me a few weeks ago that she’d rather that all food animals be extinct than for one of them to be killed for human use, and that everyone should be forced to become a vegan. I know 4 families with young kids who are vegans; two of them started raising chickens for the eggs because their kids were definitely ‘failing to thrive’. The other two families have young kids who are undersized, sickly and not as energetic as young kids should be, but the parents refuse to consider their diet being inadequate for growing bodies and brains. They are just so damned sure they are right, and everyone else is wrong; the same moral certainty I see in zealots of any political/religious stripe.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @StringOnAStick:

    I have some friends who recently went vegan, but it was genuinely for health reasons (the husband has a nasty family history of serious heart disease — his father died in his early 50s — so his doctor strongly recommended it) so they’re not super-strict about it, especially for the kids, who still get things like milk and cheese.

    I will try not to go off on one of my patented anti-vegan rants, because they tend to gain me threats of being banned but … as a group, vegans drive me up the frickin’ wall. Did you know that there’s a grey market for human breast milk because some women who are vegans refuse to give formula to their babies, so instead they start advertising to find other women (preferably vegans, of course) who are willing to sell their breast milk?

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    StringOnAStick says:

    @Mnemosyne: I understand the issue about heart disease, but telling someone to not eat any animal products at all demonstrates once again that MD’s aren’t required to take nutrition classes in med school.

    Case in Point: There are 2 kinds of amino acids as far as the human body is concerned; essential and non-essential. The non-essential ones your body can make, but the essential ones can ONLY be obtained from eating animal-based proteins. They are called “essential” because they are essential to proper function and metabolism, period, you can not make them! Your body takes amino acids, breaks them down or uses their skeletons to make things like hormones and to repair tissues; take away the complement of ones the body can’t make on it’s own, and you’ve removed something essential to long term health. Vitamin B12 is in this category as well; it is essential, and you can not make it, you must ingest it and it comes from animals.

    Cheese will do more to raise your cholesterol levels than eggs will, but this guy going without any source of essential amino acids (e.g., animal protein) is just handing him another burden on top of his bad genes. Any doctor who would tell me to go vegan would be a doc I would immediately replace with someone who actually understands the words “essential amino acids” and what that means.

    I have the two genes that code for developing celiac disease; I stopped eating wheat before my small intestine lining died, but because of the damage I no longer properly absorb Vitamin D from my regular diet. My doctor directs me to take 5,000 iu of D3 per day, and it comes from lanolin (meaning from sheep). When I explained this to my vegan friend, she told me she’d rather die than have to take an animal-based supplement (add that to how I’d just explained how sick I’d been ,and how the D3 fixed that, so, you know, thanks for your supportive comments!). Add extra irony for the fact that she is a Type I diabetic and depends on insulin; I have to assume that if her daily insulin was made by animals that she’d rather die than use it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @StringOnAStick:

    It’s not just his cholesterol that’s the problem — basically, he’s on the Ornish diet, but vegan.

    ETA: I am equally as unwilling to say “a vegan diet is never medically indicated” as I am to say “an animal protein diet is never medically indicated.” But there’s a difference between when your cardiologist tells you what diet you should follow and a random person without any training telling you what they read on the internet.

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