The WIN THE MORNING Guys Pee Themselves, Just A Little

Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei declare DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

The town is turning on President Obama — and this is very bad news for this White House.

Republicans have waited five years for the moment to put the screws to Obama — and they have one-third of all congressional committees on the case now. Establishment Democrats, never big fans of this president to begin with, are starting to speak out. And reporters are tripping over themselves to condemn lies, bullying and shadiness in the Obama administration.

Buy-in from all three D.C. stakeholders is an essential ingredient for a good old-fashioned Washington pile-on — so get ready for bad stories and public scolding to pile up.

Because this will magically happen without help from our Web Village Betters, who have been waiting 15 years or so to make their bones by dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight.

The Glimmer Twins here have hung the Clinton Rules sign over the door.  They’re damn sure Obama is nowhere near as clever as Clinton.  They’ve been waiting for him to crash and burn for five years now, and they can’t wait to put that uppity you-know-what in his place.

And yet every time our “liberal” press thinks they’ve finally got him, he turns the tables on them and keeps on winning.  They want this battle, surely.  They’ve been itching to rip into the guy.  Now they see their chance.  They’re sure they’ve got him now.  What can he do to get out of this one?  They see echoes of 15 years ago, back when I was a newly-minted dot-com box jockey.  I thought I was invincible then, too.  Then reality kicked my ass just like it kicked theirs.  Big Dog walked away from the crash, the rest of us ended up with Dubya.  Now they see the same opportunity.  The GOP burned their brand over the last decade.   It’s time to even the playing field by scorching the earth again.

Me, I’m going to bet on the guy who keeps on winning.

120 replies
  1. 1
    Valdivia says:

    do note that they declare that the media–ie themselves–as stakeholders in DC. just how unself conscious are these people?

  2. 2
    raven says:

    Fuckin A!

  3. 3
    dr. bloor says:

    Think Jonathan Karl is going to go the way of Dan Rather for this? Nah, me neither.

  4. 4
    Redshirt says:

    There is such an imbalance with the media. I mean, it’s outrageous! And yet a significant percentage of Americans would say the “Liberal Media” is protecting Obama and covering up all his malfeasance. Even Fox News is too liberal!

    We’re doomed.

  5. 5
    Derelict says:

    Wow! New place looks nice. Love the drapes!!!!!!!

  6. 6
    c u n d gulag says:

    As the Fudd brothers, Mike Alieneyes and Dim FullO’Hooey, point their shotguns at Barack Bunny, he says, “What’s up, Doc… er… Doc’s?”

    What dopes!
    What maroon’s!!
    What ignoramus’s!!!

  7. 7
    Linda Featheringill says:

    I think that unless the Republicans display a lot of finesse in this destroy-Obama campaign, they will overplay their hand, come across as total jackasses, and hurt their own cause. But there’s not much danger of them having a lot of finesse, is there?

    Be comforted, Zandar. I think we can weather this together.

  8. 8
    Baud says:

    To quote the Village’s favorite president, “Bring it on.”

  9. 9
    Schlemizel says:


    I think its the rug that pulls the whole room together

  10. 10
    James Hare says:

    My compliments on the design — it really looks great. Can’t think of anything I would change.

  11. 11
    RSA says:

    Republicans have waited five years for the moment to put the screws to Obama

    Right, they’ve just been waiting quietly, going with the flow…

  12. 12
    Zandar says:

    @Linda Featheringill: Oh I know the GOP will overplay their hand and the country will once again get tired of them. They’ve got 17+ months of OUTRAGE to keep up, and it’s simply going to collapse under all the Argle and the Bargle.

    But it will also prevent any legislation from passing too.

  13. 13
    Ash Can says:

    If these guys had half a brain between them, they’d be a lot more cautious about what they wish for. Investigate the IRS? Hell yeah. And when all that those investigations reveal is that the IRS is overworked due to Citizens United, understaffed and underfunded due to Congress, and leaderless due to Republicans being schmucks, the silence from these great and glorious defenders of the DC cocktail circuit will be deafening (and they’ll more than likely all be barking at an entirely different squirrel by then anyway).

  14. 14
    max says:

    Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei declare DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

    “Politico! Our Motto: ‘The Sound of One Hand Wanking'” *

    [‘Really, there should be an MP3 that plays that noise over and over on loop as long as you have tab open to Politico.’]

    * ‘Tiger Beat on the Potomac: The Dark Side for Intensely Anal ** Closeted Gay Men with Severe Daddy Fetishes!’

    ** The cleanest double entendre ever

  15. 15
    NotMax says:

    Like unto a cage match between Samuel L. Jackson and Rick Moranis.

    (with apologies to both actors)

  16. 16
    Schlemizel says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    The problem is we pissed away some great opportunities to make the country better in the 90’s, followed by the worst disaster to hit the US since 1861. The last 5 years have made a tiny bit of progress while our situation has become much more precarious. A repeat of the 90’s witch hunts while the situation worsens is not something to just bide our time through. Particularly if it ends with the election of Boy Blunder II.

    The building is on fire, watching the fire depart fuck a chicken while the flames grow higher is maddening

  17. 17
    raven says:

    @Ash Can: God you are good.

  18. 18
    cmorenc says:

    What the hell is with the smaller print in the comments than in the lead thread articles? This is plain POOR ergonomic design, making the blog more difficult and less comfortable to read!

  19. 19
    Suffern ACE says:

    An establishment Dem scolding?

    Pray tell, whom?

  20. 20
    JGabriel says:

    The comedy duo of Vandehei & Allen:

    And reporters are tripping over themselves to condemn … shadiness in the Obama administration.


    That’s real subtle, Jim & Mike.

    Stay classy, Assholes.


  21. 21

    Big Dog walked away from the crash, the rest of us ended up with Dubya.

    Somehow the memory of that does not fill me with happiness. What do I care if Barack Obama gets away without a scratch? He’s an adult; he can take care of himself. I’m concerned about the country, not him.

    The Republicans know they’re threatened by a closing demographic window. But they can still dominate in midterm, off-year, local and state elections with a sufficiently outraged base, and even if they’re basically bullshit, scandals can get them that. That’s a lot of power for a wounded animal to have. In principle, that can get you constitutional amendments. I’m wondering what more damage they can do on the way down.

  22. 22
    mk3872 says:

    In that article Politico actually outright called Obama arrogant and holy than thou. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read that. Our DC media sees Obama as the black Al Gore.

  23. 23
    Patrick says:

    Just six months ago Obama won re-election by easily beating Romney with 5 million votes. I am not too concerned about the so called reporters/media becoming biased against Obama. It is not like they weren’t biased before.

    Hell, I will never forget late spring of 2008 when the so called media went after Obama’s church and his minister like they were Adolf Hitler. It was shameful.

    And I don’t recall the so called media writing as much as an article about the Republicans un-American behavior in trying to kill our economy just to make Obama look bad.

    So please spare me the threats by the likes of the authors of the quoted article above.

    If the IRS/AP/Benghazi are Obama scandals (which they CLEARLY are not), then what the hell were all the scandals under Bush?

  24. 24
    Linda Featheringill says:

    Completely off topic:

    I’ve just launched my maiden voyage with a crock pot. Yes, I’ve had a deprived adulthood. Also yes, such things didn’t exist during my childhood. This is an older pot, inherited from the late matriarch. But what the hell? The machine probably thinks that I’m an “older pot” too.

    Go back to your regularly scheduled program. I think we have a handle on the present situation and should attend to the finer details of living.

  25. 25
    Linda Featheringill says:


    Obama is holier than a lot of those jerks. Just saying.

  26. 26
    Cassidy says:

    I hate the new site. Why isn’t it like how I pictured it in my head!?

    On topic, though, the only thing left at this point is a two state solution or a shooting war. They’ve been rmaping up this cold war for generations and honestly, I don’t want to live in a country that includes compromising with them.

  27. 27
    JGabriel says:

    Matt McIrvin:

    The Republicans know they’re threatened by a closing demographic window. But they can still dominate in midterm, off-year, local and state elections with a sufficiently outraged base …

    And intensely undemocratic gerrymandered districts. It just seems rude not to acknowledge that Republicans are cheating scumbags, after they’ve put so much effort into it.


  28. 28
    Suffern ACE says:

    OMG! The dam of support is broken! The administration has lost Maureen Dowd!

    Jfhcoab! I can’t click to page 2.

    Vernon Jordan is—somewhat meh!

  29. 29
    Baud says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Are you really arrogant when you are in fact better than everyone else?

  30. 30
    some guy says:

    why is Eric Holder still Attorney General?

  31. 31
    Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937 says:

    wow, Obama is just like Nixon. and Hitler. All rolled up with a little bit of Stalin.

    (The new look is new. and fresh. Who doesn’t like freshness?)

  32. 32
    Poopyman says:

    So, is this just the acting-out kids ratcheting up the volume because everyone has started to ignore their whine-the-morning strategy? IOW, is this becoming the only way to get page views/ other MSM shoutouts?

  33. 33
    Baud says:

    @some guy:

    Obama nominated him and he was confirmed and he has not resigned.

  34. 34
    Todd says:

    The left-handed menu thing sucks ass for ipad users. The buttons are huge and too easy to graze.

  35. 35
    JGabriel says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    I’ve just launched my maiden voyage with a crock pot.

    You’re going boating with a Republican?


  36. 36
    some guy says:


    clap louder, we can’t hear you out here in the cheap seats.

  37. 37
    Valdivia says:

    I saw last night that one of the Politico people said on twitter that for two nights in a row John Stewart had gone after Obama so that meant that he had definitely lost the country. I mean what universe are these people living in? He has been going after Obama for 5 years now.

    And also of note–after years of yelling on the front page about the deficit now that the CBO says it’s not a problem anymore we hear….crickets from both Politico and WaPo. Really?

  38. 38

    The dam of solid Democratic solidarity has collapsed, starting with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd’s weekend scolding of the White House over Benghazi, then gushing with the news the Justice Department had sucked up an absurdly broad swath of Associated Press phone records.

    Maureen Dowd is a Democrat? That’s… upsetting if true.

  39. 39
    Todd says:

    Can’t seem to comment in ipad theme.

  40. 40
    Baud says:

    @some guy:


    Can you hear me now?

  41. 41
    beltane says:

    I’m glad the Village is open about their unwavering allegiance to the GOP and its efforts to destroy the United States. In a just world, most of these chardonnay sipping nitwits would be languishing in the same prison as Dick Cheney and the rest of that cabal of war criminals and crooks.

  42. 42
    beltane says:

    @J.W. Hamner: Since when has Maureen “earth tones” Dowd shown any solidarity with a Democratic president? She’s been whining that Obama isn’t manly enough for her tastes since before the 2008 primaries.

  43. 43
    Baud says:

    I love how framing the issue as Washington vs. Obama is somehow considered bad for Obama.

  44. 44
    Valdivia says:


    excellent point. Maybe he should frame the cover of Politico today and use it as an ad telling Americans how he is making sure they are represented here instead of stroking the egos of the pima donas.

  45. 45
    Patrick says:

    @some guy:

    What do you think will happen if Holder resigns/is fired? The answer is the same thing that happened to the IRS commissioner, ie GOP will filibuster ANYBODY the black guy appoints. Do you really think it is better that our country do not have an AG?

  46. 46
    El Cid says:

    Thankfully in this case there’s no need to distinguish between Obama being too smart for them and these nitwits being too dumb for Obama.

  47. 47
    NotMax says:

    @Linda Featheringill

    Relatively painless slow-cooker duck confit. Leave lid on and undisturbed for entire cooking time to ensure scrumptiousness.

    (link is slight variation of something I’ve tried in the past, but close enough not to quibble)

  48. 48
    geg6 says:


    Seriously. They truly don’t know how despised they are by everyone but themselves. In fact, it’s the one true bipartisan area of agreement this country has. Who says there’s no bipartisanship?

  49. 49
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Zandar: T’Baggers are very happy that all this mess stops President Obama from legislating. I heard one T’Bagger bragging about Repubs stopping his agenda for the next four years. Obstruction is all they’ve got.

    This new design is groovy. Have to get used to it.

  50. 50
    Kay says:

    Establishment Democrats, never big fans of this president to begin with,

    I think this is helpful, actually, because it’s true. Obama has opposition from liberals. That is true. But there has also been a low level, simmering struggle for power within the Democratic Party from “establishment Democrats” since he was elected. It is absolutely true and openly discussed in the Ohio Democratic Party.
    Political parties are large organizations, and relationships matter in large organizations. In that sense he is something of an outsider, still. Just my observation. I think the cracks were bound to appear under stress, and in a second term, because the question going forward is “which version of the Democratic Party are we?”. I do not know what the policy differences are, but I think I know what the campaign differences are.
    There’s something else that’s true, IMO, and this is the political end, the campaign end. We spend a lot of time making fun of Republicans for their grifters. In my observation, the Democratic Party was headed for exactly the same fate after 2004. The fact is the 2004 Presidential election was such a mess because it was full to bursting with grifters on the payroll. I think there were 9 or 10 different groups operating in Ohio. Obama cut that off. He made it really lean and really centralized. They had one message because they had one campaign. There was resentment about that, because Democrats had developed their own “campaign industrial complex” and they weren’t brought in. He didn’t hire them. As far as campaigns, I think he was right to do it and if he hadn’t have done it, we’d look just like the Romney campaign looked.
    I do not actually know what the policy differences are between “establishment Democrats” and Obama. I haven’t been able to discern any. There ARE campaign and political approach differences, though, and I think it’s probably healthy if we’re going to admit that.

  51. 51
    cvstoner says:

    It’s not an Obama thing, it’s an American thing.

    Whatever the hell that means…

  52. 52
    Chyron HR says:

    @some guy:

    Because your GOP allies failed to drive him from office with their last fake scandal, and they haven’t even had time to hold hearings on this new fake scandal yet.

  53. 53
    cvstoner says:

    @Kay: “which version of the Democratic Party are we?”

    I think that has been answered: the “Corporatist” version.

  54. 54
    Valdivia says:


    my question to these “establishment’ democrats is–if you think your way is better, in the way you run campaigns, how come this guy keeps winning and when you guys do it your way you lose?

  55. 55

    The town is turning on President Obama — and this is very bad news for this White House.

    In all the world of space and time, there has never existed a more amateurish — not to say moronic — opening sentence. This excrescence would be circled in thick red ink by even the most jaded professor of freshman comp with the comment, “Fucking hell, I give up.” I’d forgive it in a Tweet from a war zone, but these guys are paid (or, more accurately, I suppose, pay themselves) to write crisp, accurate prose. Instead, they poop out this misshapen, tautological gunge and present it to the world as the proud product of professionals. At some point, one of these leading lights had to have looked at the other and said, hey, that’s a great lead graf, dude! Let’s print that sucker!

    I man, Jesus fuck! “This” is very bad news for “this” White House? Which other White House is it good news for? Which other White House is even in existence right now? And it’s not just “bad” news — it’s very bad news, as if some objective scale exists somewhere, perhaps in a dusty volume of Aristotle, that distinguishes “very” bad news from the merely “bad.”

    “Oh, I see the bull has buried his right horn six inches into Manolete’s scrotum, possibly rendering him infertile for the rest of his life — and this is very bad news for this matador. Oh, wait — I’m getting word from upstairs that this is only bad news. Very bad news would have been a thoracic breach, or a successful assassination attempt from the stands….”

    “The quarterback has tripped on an untied shoelace, pissed himself, and handed the ball off to a defending linebacker, who has traipsed the two yards to the goal line and scored — and this is very bad news for this football team….”

    Fucking hell, I give up.

  56. 56
    Linda Featheringill says:

    @JGabriel: #35

    “You’re going boating with a Republican?”


  57. 57
    cvstoner says:

    @geg6: To the contrary, I think they know full well how despised they are, and they revel in it. To them, its a badge of honor.

  58. 58
    Suffern ACE says:

    @J.W. Hamner: yep and she’s an establishment dem to boot. I believe she holds the super delegate vote for the east seventies.

  59. 59
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Patrick: Obviously he should resign for trying to figure out… who’s giving classified information about terrorism to the press. Fuck the press, they’re ridiculous. And Jon Stewart has been acting ridiculous too. Hey, Jon, what was the Bad Thing the IRS did, exactly? Words like “targeted” and “retaliation”… how?

  60. 60
    NotMax says:

    @Chyron HR

    Can just hear Issa/Cruz/insert name here now:

    “Has the IRS under this administration ever investigated the finances of al Qaeda? Huh? Huh? Have they? Answer yes or no.”

  61. 61
    Linda Featheringill says:


    duck confit: Oh, that looks interesting!

  62. 62
    beltane says:

    @cvstoner: Oh dear, we’re back to Obama not being a RealAmerican. Only Rightey-Whitey can be a Real American. The majority of Americans, the ones who don’t belong to tribe Rightey-Whitey, are not recognized as being authentically American by the genteel fascists of the Village.

    I’m sure this is nothing new. It is highly likely that the predecessors of today’s Village scum were once open in their admiration for Hitler and despairing of that crippled, class-traitor FDR. Sheltered, pampered elites have been assholes since the beginning of time-no reason they’d be any different now.

  63. 63
    Poopyman says:

    @Neddie Jingo: Nice rant! I’m not sure it’s very nice, but quite nice, I suppose.

  64. 64
    weaselone says:

    Any possibility we can use this finally discard this whole “liberal” media schtick now that the last two dem Presidents have been relentlessly hounded by the media for lying about a blow job and absolutely nothing respectively?

  65. 65
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Valdivia: losing doesn’t matter when you get paid.

  66. 66
    beltane says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Jon Stewart’s weakness has always been his tendency to Broderize and play the false equivalency game. His “Rally for Sanity” in 2010 was the most spectacular example of this, but it has been a chronic problem for him.

  67. 67
    Kay says:


    Right. I would agree with you. In one sense it’s impossible, right? If the Obama people win it’s a fluke and if the “establishment” loses it’s Obama.
    There really are fundamental differences though. One argument he “won” is new voters. The conventional wisdom was concentrating on registering new voters was nice in a “pure” way, but it wouldn’t win elections. It actually can win elections. The other difference (and this is, again, my observation) is “persuasion”. The Kerry campaign (and the grifters who followed it) were big on persuasion. The idea was there was this huge pool of people who would “return” to the Democratic Party. The Obama people didn’t concentrate there.
    It’s funny, because there’s a struggle that sort of tracks this going on in labor. In that case, again based on my limited and local observation, the “new labor” side is winning, has won. The struggle is all but over. They’re going to reach beyond their traditional base. “Labor” will be more female and more ethnically diverse. They didn’t really have any choice. Old Labor were getting their ass kicked :)

  68. 68
    Patrick says:


    Amen. Didn’t someone tell the AP that the 911 changed the world? Whose side are they on?

    Until this week I watched Jon Stewart every night. but this week I watched about 2 minutes. He has been dreadful. His coverage about the IRS has been no different than his disgusting coverage of ACORN where he took FoxNews verbatim without bothering to check the facts.

    It is the same thing on the IRS. Not once did Stewart (at least during the intro when I watched it) bother telling the viewers that the IRS chief when this happened was a Bush appointee and that GOP had blocked Obama’s appointee.

    It is tough to run a clean government when the opposition party abuses its role by blocking all the appointees. Get a clue, Stewart!

  69. 69
    cvstoner says:

    @beltane: Only Rightey-Whitey can be a Real American

    Unfortunately, that has been the history of our country for hundreds of years. The more things change, the more they stay the same. If having a black president has done anything, it has brought all this tribalism to the surface, in all its hoary ugliness.

  70. 70
    dr. bloor says:

    @cvstoner: Translated: “IT’S A NI-CLANG THING!”

  71. 71
    beltane says:

    @cvstoner: That’s absolutely true, but the country is changing very rapidly in ways the establishment media fails to understand. In some ways, the Republican base is more aware of the new reality than the media, thus their histrionics about who is and who isn’t a real American. In the Village, it’s always 1955 and these things are just taken for granted.

  72. 72
    Kay says:


    No one will listen to me because the answer to every crisis is BOLD ACTION! but I would go the other way if I were Obama. I don’t think people are in the mood for a whole lot of drama, and Republicans and media provide plenty. I think I would focus on “competence” because that’s what people really mean when they say they want government to “work”. They don’t want to see it working. An example would be concentrate real hard on putting the health care law in with as little high drama as possible. That’s on-the-ground grunt work and they’re good at those sorts of “below the media” efforts.

  73. 73
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Patrick: I would like someone official to say something like this: after the sweeping changes to campaign finance after the Citizens United decision, transparently partisan political groups started trying to present themselves as “social welfare” organizations to skirt what few restrictions on campaigning still remained. It fell to the IRS to sort out legitimate grassroots from AstroTurf. While concentrating on political ideology would be wrong, extra scrutiny of new groups would not, and that is what has occurred. We regret any mistaken impression. Etc.

  74. 74
    El Caganer says:

    Oh, the drama! Now the President is dead to Politico! Whatever shall he do? Christ, these people are morons.

  75. 75
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @c u n d gulag: what a gull-a bull! What a nin-cow-poop

  76. 76
    Kirbster says:

    I don’t even understand what the IRS “scandal” is even about. Obviously, the hard-eyed accountant types at the IRS (unlike our moronic press corps) clearly never bought into the fantasy that the Tea Party was anything but a collection of hyper-partisan, conservative Republican (redundant, I know) front groups ineligible for tax exempt status.

  77. 77
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Kay: the establishment dems in the article are Maureen Dowd, Vernon Jordan (whose statements are barely critical), some crisis management guy from the Clinton years who wrote a book and who’s complaint is that the president is handling crisis management wrong (I wonder if he’s a consultant), and an unnamed democrat who likes Obama but wishes their were more dinners and chocolates. The only one who actually matters is the congressman who went on TV and said that the IRS scandal was bad!

  78. 78
    beltane says:

    @Kirbster: To me, the real scandal is that all these astroturf groups enjoy tax-exempt status. Something is seriously broken in our country for this to be the case.

  79. 79
    Kay says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    I get your point, and I agree with it in this Politico context, but the fact is there are “establishment Dems” because the Democratic Party is a huge organization. There was always going to be resistance to a (relative) newcomer like Obama and that is based on either real relationships or peoples’ perception that they “know” someone. No one likes to admit this because of course we’re all about The Policy, but that’s how organizations work. They don’t move real fast, and part of the reason is the people who have power (no matter how little, like at the county level) want to keep it.
    If you want a media representative of this faction of the Democratic Party, I give you ED RENDELL. At this point he’s a lobbyist, but if I had to pick one representative of this group there is no better :)

  80. 80
    Patrick says:


    Exactly. It is not much different than when 5-6 years ago, DHS warned about domestic right-wing groups/individuals presenting a threat to our country. Right-wingers got upset and Napolitano was forced to apologize.

    Since then I have lost count on how many domestic right-wing groups/individuals have committed violent acts.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Linda Featheringill: To begin your wonderful journey into the world of crockery cooking: A Year of Slow Cooking

    Things you never dreamed you could prepare in a crock.

  82. 82
    Kay says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    If I had to put this in big, lofty terms I would say that while there has been plenty of (justified) attention paid to the struggles within the GOP (the Tea Party won, as far as I’m concerned) there are also struggles within the Democratic Party, and it isn’t just liberals.
    It was pushed down to win the last election, but I really believe arguments are best aired, so it’s something of a relief to see it surface.
    There’s nothing inherently wrong with a struggle or a fight and there’s no point in pretending it’s not happening.

  83. 83
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Kay: you see it in the way that getting OFA off the ground as a continuously operating enterprise has met resistance within the party.

  84. 84
    Suffern ACE says:

    I do like Ron Fourniers paranoid rant at the end. “We see how this administration treats its enemies”, and I think…yeah. Seen it. Not badly enough if you ask me.

  85. 85
    Tripod says:

    They’re trying to “Gore” our 2016 nominee with Obama fatigue. They’re still running the 1998 playbook. Which is kind of sad. Gore vs. Bush with today’s electorate? Good luck with that.

  86. 86
    beltane says:

    @Suffern ACE: Unless Obama has obtained pictures of Fournier doing the nasty with a goat I’d say this scumbag has been treated far better than he deserves.

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    Kay says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    I think Democrats would do better if they would stop looking at things in discrete chunks. That (again!) isn’t how large organizations operate. They evolve.
    The insistence that there was a Howard Dean Organizing Era and then a OFA Organizing Era ignores the fact that what comes before influences what comes after. OFA had huge pieces of Dean, in many cases the same actual people. I’m impatient with the partitioning, because I think it’s wholly ego-driven, ie: “who gets credit?” They both get credit. One followed the other.
    Another example would be new voters. Kerry worked very hard on new and younger voters. Obama built on that. There’s no stark dividing line. We actually built on the Kerry lists in 2008.
    What gets in the way of looking at these things honestly is turf protection and ego, IMO. We like to say it’s that we’re all such crazy cats who can’t be herded, but it always looks less…honorable to me. It looks like huge egos, warring.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Poor Zandar. I don’t know how you sleep at night worrying about Obama.

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    MomSense says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    I love my crock pot which I inherited from the matriarch. Have been making fantastic pulled pork, soups, so many good things. It is like magic–throw the stuff in before work and come home to dinner.

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    Tripod says:


    I think the changes you note are as much generational as anything. Which is why I’m a bit leery of the Clinton juggernaut. Her and Bill’s age group tend to see everything through the prism of the 1972 campaign. Their political worldview is, and will always be, one in which every elected Democratic president since FDR is a white southern male.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Thank you!

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    pk says:

    I think that unless the Republicans display a lot of finesse

    What the republicans will display is stupidity, hatred and racism. If they impeach Obama any hopes they have with non whites will be finished. Maybe they want the white democratic vote? Maybe they are hoping enough white democrats will turn against Obama and shift to the GOP. Doesn’t sound logical, but nothing these morons ever do is logical.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    And for anyone in the mood for a new gadget, I give you the new love of my life: The Ninja Cooking System

    It’s a combination crock, electric skillet, and steam roaster. And it really does live up to the hype.

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    Patrick says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    Good grief! It reminds me of Woodworth, who claimed he was threathened when he wasn’t. Hell, even FoxNews admitted it was a stretch to call it a threat.

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    negative 1 says:

    Some brave soul in Congress needs to point out that the review of the 501(c)4 applications for Tea Party groups was not only appropriate, but that if they got through then we need to seriously address the need to stop letting (c)4’s donate to PACs tax free, or at the very least apply the same basic campaign finance rules to (c)4’s that we do to (c)5’s (unions) and (c)6’s (trade groups). The real scandal is that they actually managed to get the non-profit designation.
    Never mind, I said ‘brave soul in Congress’. I won’t hold my breath for that.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I don’t doubt all kinds of “Establishment Democrats” resent Obama– PUMAs, Blue Dogs, and he’s-not-Martin-Sheen liberals– but I haven’t heard any public comments against Obama from elected Dems. Did I miss some? I’ve been travelling a lot and haven’t kept up with Cable TV; I’m sure Ed Rendell has been concern trolling hard. And when was “This town” ever for Obama? They’ve been pimping every GOP talking point from “ZOMG Deficits!” and “Overreach!” in the first two years to “He doesn’t reach out” and “BENGHAZI!” since last fall.

    Jonathan Chait has a good piece on this, but sort of buries a if not the lede: The way Jonathan Karl’s source burned him, and how eager Karl was to be burned.

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    Kay says:


    It’s just funny to watch it “evolve’ if you’re not trying to control it, because you’re right, there’s an organic, inevitable element.

    I never really believed in “persuasion”, in 2004, which was all we did until two weeks before the election (probably a mistake!). I don’t think I convinced a single Bush voter to “come back” to the Democrats. I was therefore quite open to some alternate plan in 2008 :)

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    Chyron HR says:


    Maybe they are hoping enough white democrats will turn against Obama and shift to the GOP.

    As “Just Some Fuckhead” goes, so goes the party.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Suffern ACE: Ron Fournier is a source for this Politico story? Jesus Christ

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    Citizen_X says:

    @beltane: Seriously. The scandal is Citizens United, and how billionaires can set up political front groups that don’t have to pay any taxes.

    In the meantime, I want to hear the Village and Republican idiots tell me again and again how the Tea Party groups are “political,” but not political, and we’re all supposed to just nod and go along with that.

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    Valdivia says:


    this is my sense too. and what I think will happen is that if the ‘establishment’ think that kicking Obama they can keep the new voters they can think again. It’s not a revanchist thing, it is more about them thinking that they have them in their pocket just because Obama brought them along and now they will go back to courting Applachia or whatever and ignore the rest. I hope not though. I think of all the Serious White Males who told Obama he was going to lose unless he did something like what they were telling him to do–they were wrong.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Chyron HR:

    As “Just Some Fuckhead” goes, so goes the party.

    I voted for him both times but I don’t have to like him. I don’t know why you Obots can’t get it through yer heads that voters aren’t fucking cheerleaders.

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    Valdivia says:


    I totally agree with this, competence and grunt work. Also–since everyone and their cousin is already saying the rollout of the law will be a disaster that would be a really nice thing. Though I am sure the media already have the stories written about how terrible it all is on day #1.

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    kindness says:

    Forgive me but I must insist on proper form.

    ‘The Glimmer Twins’ is taken. That is Mick & Keith. Please find some other name to call the guiding lights at Tiger Beat On The Potomac.

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    KXB says:

    “What can he do to get out of this one? ”

    Hey, that’s what Fat Albert and the gang would always say after The Brown Hornet was backed into a corner. Dear God – Obama is the Brown Hornet!

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    negative 1 says:

    @Kirbster: Agreed! They are not a civic organization, they are a political one. If the press would point out exactly what they had held themselves to be in the application, then no one would think this was a scandal.

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    Kay says:


    now they will go back to courting Applachia or whatever and ignore the rest. I

    hah! It’s true. They have to stop doing it because for me, just as a white middle aged female, it comes off as “let’s get back to the REAL Democrats! The white men!” I can’t imagine how actual minorities hear it. Not good.
    I don’t think they even hear it. I used to be amazed at 1990’s Democrats who would sneer at The Mommy Party, which as far as I can tell means “people who promote issues like health care and workplace safety and such”.
    Half their most motivated base are “mommies”. It’s not a big source of shame for me, the fact that I focus on what I consider practical, relevant things. They probably don’t want to give the impression that they don’t want to hang around with us :)
    Do they not hear themselves?

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    Keith G says:


    … relationships matter.

    This is where it pays off to be able to shmooze, flatter, and seduce. Doing so can help create a buffer of goodwill that conpetence alone cannot accomplish. Such goodwill can be an important currency in rough times.

    Hstorically, this will be seen as an Obama weakness as president.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Funny, because I don’t know why you can’t get it through your head that when everyone you meet says, “piss off, asshole,” it’s not necessarily because they disagree with your political views.

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    Valdivia says:


    exactly! imagine how ti sounds to the new voters. you are ‘real’ americans.

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    Kay says:


    To be fair, Bush’s prescription drug roll out was a disaster initially, and that was a lot smaller. Older people hated it because they were inundated with commercial appeals. There was mass confusion and then they all figured it out and it went away. I fully expect millions of words written on the Health Care Law Disaster :)
    Many people here think it’s been repealed, by either the Supreme Court or Wolf Blitzer. I just skip the whole story. I’m tempted to say “call it whatever you want, it exists, let’s move on, I’m incredibly bored with that ‘debate’ and losing interest in your problems”

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    Kay says:

    @Keith G:

    It isn’t that, though, IMO. It’s harder than that. More set. More difficult to get past. Relationships (whether real or imagined, as in “I KNOW the Clintons”) take a long time.
    My point is that it’s a real thing, feeling you “know” the Clintons, for example. Voters or active members of local party organizations DO know them. They’re familiar to them. Obama just simply didn’t have that. While there was an upside, some voters (and others) were more open to him because he wasn’t “known”, rigidly, as a Democrat, there’s also a downside.
    I assume he gets all that, because he’s a really able politician. I don’t think it’s a surprise.
    In Ohio, for example, he had to go around county chairs to mayors. His institutional strength was mayors in urban areas, while Clinton had the county and state people wrapped up early. Mayors are a good thing to have, eventually, for turnout. So there’s upside and downside to each approach.

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    brettvk says:

    @Linda Featheringill: I love, love mine. Try out a rotisserie-style whole chicken recipe; you can customize the spices and salt level, it takes just 4 hours on high temp, and you’ve got tender meat that slips off the bone. Salads and sandwiches for days.

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    Kay says:

    @Keith G:

    Briefly, I think it’s deeper than “schmoozing”, and schmoozing isn’t a guarantee of anything. At the time, schmoozing was considered a moral failing for Bill Clinton. He wasn’t ‘serious” he kept inviting donors to stay in the Lincoln bedroom, or whatever. Maybe it would help, but I don’t know.

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    Kay says:

    @Keith G:

    I would agree with you on temperament, I think. I actually met Obama briefly this last election, they had a group of us from the rural counties go out to the airport and then to a college, and he was charming, he was trying to put us at ease, which always comes off as generous, but he’s also reserved. He doesn’t reveal a whole lot, and like a lot of reserved people he deals with that by changing the focus FROM him to YOU. That’s protective, I think. It allows distance.
    It’s just what he is. He’s 50 something and it’s worked pretty well for him. I don’t think he can change his essential nature.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Funny, because I don’t know why you can’t get it through your head that when everyone you meet says, “piss off, asshole,” it’s not necessarily because they disagree with your political views.

    That is some funny shit there.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Loving the different colored comment boxes. Yesterday the site was really hard to read, but that makes a huge difference.

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    nastybrutishntall says:

    @Neddie Jingo: Who cuts your jib? I absolutely love what they’ve done with it.

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    cckids says:


    I know I’m late to the party, but this is what I keep yelling at my teevee. I think that all it would take for many is to pose the question: “So, Karl Rove’s group WASN’T TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE LAST ELECTION?” Because that is what his groups tax filing as a 501 group says. Seriously? Social welfare? My ass.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Shorter win the morning: “Wile E. Coyote: SUPER Genius!

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