Perhaps the Greatest TV Interview Ever

You have got to watch this:

I am in tears from the last bit of that interview. Move over Antoine Dodson. I am in tears.

(via Comrade Jake)

BTW- Since this is America, how long before the autotune?

*** Update ***

Two additional thoughts:

1.) Given the re-emergence of the Confederacy since Obama was elected, it’s kind of sad that we all find his last statement so funny.

2.) Am I the only one who lost my shit that he cared so little for the interview and media crew that when he dropped his loosie halfway through and basically stopped the interview to pick it up? I watched again. Not a loosie, paperwork. Guess I just assumed, because with my adrenaline pumping like that I would have had a cigarette in my hand.

247 replies
  1. 1
    pokeyblow says:

    Great news.

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    lamh35 says:

    “white girl running to a black man for help? You know something is not right.”

    I said it when I heard, and I’ll say it again.

    Amen, brotha, Amen.

    He is definitely the hero of this right now.

    ya should def listen to the 911 call though and you’ll realize how much of a hero this guy was.

    Amanda Berry sounded sooo scared and there seems to be a child crying in the background (it would seem the child is her and the guy who abducted her and raped her).

    It’s seriously unfolding like an episode of Law & Order: SVU

  3. 3
    Comrade Jake says:

    The second interview, arguably just as good, is here:

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v.....3Dyoutu.be

    I love the central role played by Mickey D’s in all of this.

  4. 4
    JCT says:

    Great outcome and hilarious interview.

    What an amazing day for their families.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    Oh that’s beautiful

  6. 6
    Keith says:

    @Comrade Jake: That link you’re providing is trying to execute something when I click on it. Not cool.

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    WaynersT says:

    From the ‘I was eating my mcdonald’s” opener I knew this was going to be a classic.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    Also, too, Charles Ramsey’s 911 call may just be the best one ever:

    http://media.cleveland.com/pde.....call-2.mp3

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    Gave me the creeps. He’s auditioning for reality TV. There is something really wrong with the whole scene. Look at the guy with the neck tattoo laughing behind the interview.

    At least three women abducted and held as sex slaves long-term and this guy wants to be on TMZ and ET. Jeezus. Todd Akin’s got a coin-flip or something.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Ah, okay, I get what his joke was at the end — he knew the white girl was in serious trouble if she was turning to a black man as her rescuer.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    @Keith:

    Sorry – it worked fine for me. Try this:

    http://youtu.be/lBu4JDic95U

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    gopher2b says:

    Definitely listen to the 911 call. He went PG for the interview but the 911 call is R rated.

    Apparently he’s a dishwasher for some celebrity chef, too. The chef says he’s a great guy (I guess he would say that regardless right now).

    So genuine and refreshing.

  13. 13
    WaynersT says:

    @Comrade Jake:

    Holy crap the call is even better – “Hey Bro check this out I was on my way to McDonald’s…” “I’m smarter than that, I’m giving you the address of THE CRIME”

    God bless him – that really is amazing news. Finally something to cheer about after such a crappy start to the year.

  14. 14
    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    How often does a guy living in that neighborhood get to be a Big Damn Hero? I’m not going to begrudge him for enjoying his moment in the spotlight.

    ETA: Again, this is the guy who broke down the door and rescued the victim. Not only that, but was instrumental in rescuing at least two more young women. So, yeah, he can laugh about it if he wants to.

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    lamh35 says:

    Good lord, I can’t believe are harping on Ramsey and the bit about why he knew something was odd.

    Why is it that we expect regular people to speak like a spokesperson would whenever confronted by a cameraman or reporter after a traumatic or dramatic event.

    I challenge anyone to try to talk like some PR rep after just coming off of doing something out of the ordinary and possibly traumatic.

    It boggles my mind.

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    pokeyblow says:

    Better he become a reality TV star than more teen moms, drug addicts, or Kardashians.

    [on edit]… to the extent that those categories don’t overlap.

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    gopher2b says:

    Apparently they’ve arrested the suspects’s two brothers too. Wow, just wow. It’s really becoming the year of the asshole brothers isn’t it.

    Amanda Berry’s 911 call is so heartbreaking.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    “2.) Am I the only one who lost my shit that he cared so little for the interview and media crew that when he dropped his loosie halfway through and basically stopped the interview to pick it up?”

    Is that what happened there? LOL.

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    rb says:

    The 911 call conveys the urgency. I like his style. “She needs everything. She’s in a panic, bruh. She’s been abducted! Put yourself in her shoes.”

    Good on you, Mr. Ramsey. Well done.

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    Mandalay says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Gave me the creeps. He’s auditioning for reality TV. There is something really wrong with the whole scene. Look at the guy with the neck tattoo laughing behind the interview.

    You are a tough audience.

    I saw more about life from that clip than I would from watching a month of interviews on CSPAN.

  21. 21
    rb says:

    @lamh35: Hear hear. He seems fine to me. He’s got a great voice, too.

  22. 22
    lamh35 says:

    @Mandalay: there is always some kid walking behind a reporter giving a live report, who’s waving and looking straight towards the camera an signaling their friends.

    So what, some guy in the background is being a d*&k? Big whoop.

    the Ramsey dudes actions are the real story here.

  23. 23
    Mnemosyne says:

    @lamh35:

    Seriously, the guy is a Big Damn Hero and he deserves to enjoy every moment of his time in the spotlight. He restores my faith in Americans, and in humanity as a whole.

    (No links are working. Weird.)

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    lamh35 says:

    back to the specifics, apparently they were found within 10 mintues of where they were abducted!!!

    WTF Cleveland police. WTF neighboring homeowners (although I’ll admit, if anything happened in my apartment complex on the other side of the complex or while I’m in my back room, I wouldn’t know nothing)

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Let us know when you get your hero moment so we can poop on it for you.

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    John Cole says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: WTF- he did what everyone of us would want someone to do if that was our sister or daughter. He may not speak the way sociopaths like Bobo talk, but I’d have that dude as my neighbor before fucking Friedman or teahadists.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @lamh35:

    Here’s something to think about while you’re trying to fall asleep tonight: how many women are being held in secret dungeons by weirdo creeps all across America right now?

    (You can thank G for that one.)

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    John Cole says:

    @Comrade Jake: My bad, looks like it was a piece of paper with detective’s numbers.

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    Concerned Citizen says:

    He was awesome. A white girl running to him for help raised a red flag. He was telling the truth. It is what it is, namely the truth.

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    lamh35 says:

    @Mnemosyne: well thanks for that :-(

    I try NOT to watch creeepy eps of Criminal Minds for that reason. as a single woman, I swear it scares the bejesus outta me.

    It’s one of the reasons, I gave up working evening for overnights. I hated having to go home alone late at night

  31. 31
    lamh35 says:

    damn fuckers!

    @NewsBreaker 6m
    BREAKING: Police say 3 missing women found at Cleveland home had been tied up; 3 brothers arrested – @AP

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    PhoenixRising says:

    @lamh35: they were found within 10 mintues of where they were abducted!!!

    Yup. The whole deal, missing teens who never got a damn Amber Alert because CPD saves them for situations where the child is in imminent danger, not when a teenager might have run away…all of it including an attempted abduction of another teen who fought the guy and got away from him, same time of year, 2 weeks before the most recent kidnapping of an 8th grader.

    Let’s take a moment and harp on that. Let’s just beat the dead fucking horse of the police department that my grandfather and great-uncle retired from, doing jack shit about teenagers who were taken off the streets in broad daylight, within shouting distance of the houses they built for their families–back when this neighborhood was all working-class Catholic busybodies who judged, gossiped about and looked out for each other’s kids.

    The whole thing, at least two kidnappings and a decade of imprisonment, happened right in the heart of the west side.

    Dammit.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @John Cole:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: WTF- he did what everyone of us would want someone to do if that was our sister or daughter. He may not speak the way sociopaths like Bobo talk, but I’d have that dude as my neighbor before fucking Friedman or teahadists.

    No doubt, so would I. But there’s still something off about that whole interview. There’s a “this is MY moment” tinge to it. There’s not much in the way of empathy for the women who were held captive. The “pretty white girl” joke (and it IS a joke) seems canned and plays to his immediate audience.

    I’m not saying he’s a bad guy. I don’t think he is. I just know I wouldn’t be hamming it up for the camera after an event like that. And I’ll bet you wouldn’t either. Am I wrong about that?

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    rb says:

    @John Cole: He may not speak the way sociopaths like Bobo talk, but I’d have that dude as my neighbor before fucking Friedman or teahadists.

    I want this on a huge fucking billboard.

    Preferably taking up the entire block across the street from the NY Times building, sitting there until the day we fall into the sun.

  35. 35
    lamh35 says:

    @PhoenixRising: Dammit is right.

    The young lady Amanda Berry apparently had a child with her that reports are saying is the result of his sexual rape and abuse of her.

    Damn!!!! I know, I know, innocent until proven guilty, but ugh. The vision of hedge clippers and “family jewels” being snipped is running through my mind right now.

  36. 36
    PhoenixRising says:

    The 911 call is hilarious. Really, he could have stopped there and been my hero. The interview…close your eyes and you’ll be convinced that Venus Flytrap just busted up a human trafficking ring.

  37. 37
    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: There’s this thing called adrenaline.

  38. 38
    TooManyJens says:

    oops, duplicate

  39. 39
    Walker says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I’m not saying he’s a bad guy. I don’t think he is. I just know I wouldn’t be hamming it up for the camera after an event like that. And I’ll bet you wouldn’t either. Am I wrong about that?

    You are way wrong. His style is a classic means of coping with a stressful circumstance. I know a lot of people that would have acted just like this.

    If anything, your comments are coming off a bit racial.

  40. 40
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mandalay:

    You are a tough audience.

    I saw more about life from that clip than I would from watching a month of interviews on CSPAN.

    So did I. Some of it I feel positive about. Some of it I don’t.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: I don’t think there’s anything particularly off about the interview. He was talking the same way on the 911 call, and you can’t tell me he thought that was going to make him famous. I think that’s just who he is.

    @rb

    “She needs everything. She’s in a panic, bruh. She’s been abducted! Put yourself in her shoes.”

    This was the best part. “Put yourself in her shoes.” Indeed, sir.

  42. 42
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Walker:

    You are way wrong. His style is a classic means of coping with a stressful circumstance. I know a lot of people that would have acted just like this.

    If anything, your comments are coming off a bit racial.

    Um, what? How does that factor in, exactly?

  43. 43
    scav says:

    @Walker: Didn’t he put the detail about the McDonald’s into his 911 call? That’s just he narrates it would seem, he’s not putting ot on for The TV cameras.

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    MattR says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    There’s a “this is MY moment” tinge to it. There’s not much in the way of empathy for the women who were held captive.

    Maybe show a little empathy for him and realize that he probably still has adrenaline pumping through him after doing something that is possibly the highlight of his life. He showed plenty of empathy during the heat of the moment so I don’t mind him being a bit loose in front of the cameras after it is over.

  45. 45
    Steeplejack says:

    @Keith:

    Here’s a clean link: “Neighbor Charles Ramsey Interviewed.”

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    gopher2b says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Jesus, imagine the adrenaline going through that guys veins at the moment. He deserves the moment and he.owned.it.

  47. 47
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @pokeyblow:

    pokeyblow Says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: There’s this thing called adrenaline.

    I know. I don’t think the guy is being INTENTIONALLY “auditional.” I think he’s reacting to media attention in a way people are now almost expected to react.

    Wait a day or two and I’ll bet his interviews won’t look anything like this one. He did a great thing. After a day or two you’ll see the amp level go down.

  48. 48
    Steeplejack says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Or just watch the endless reruns of Criminal Minds.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: so what the fuck are you complaining about?

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    rb says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:
    I just know I wouldn’t be hamming it up for the camera after an event like that.

    Come on. Jesus Christ. This is not an ordinary, everyday “event;” something that astonishingly screwed up is going to make even the best of us lose our quiet, contemplative reserve.

    The next time you kick down the door and rescue a handful of women and children from captivity and enslavement, I hereby give you permission to speak about it in an extremely excited voice, if only because, you know, shit is fucked up and bullshit.

    And if part of the way you deal with it is to fall back on a bit of sardonic – and real – humor, I hereby give you further permission not to feel bad about it.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @Steeplejack: interesting about that show, Mandy Patinkin appeared in the first two seasons of it, but walked out on the show because he was too disturbed by the quantity and nature of the violence in it.

  52. 52
    DPS says:

    This was obviously just a false flag operation to justify Obamaphones.

  53. 53
    Mandalay says:

    @Walker:

    If anything, your comments are coming off a bit racial.

    That’s a pretty heavy allegation. What is your evidence for that?

  54. 54
    Steeplejack says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Yeah, we had a minor discussion of it in a thread a couple of weeks ago. To me it is the worst of the “law and order and gore” shows.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Actually, in a day or two I expect this guy will be very famous. Chances are, he’ll stay famous for a while, more than that: ubiquitous. And he may, longer term, be an obnoxious showboat loudmouth… or a thoughtful introvert… or some random, regular, combination of the two.

    My point is, there are a thousand celebrities who are famous for stupid reasons. The fact that this guy — in the right place at the right time, and doing the right thing — might join them doesn’t strike me as problematic.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Maybe you can learn to read and figure that out, ‘dumbass.

  57. 57
    Joel says:

    This guy is a motherfucking hero. Full stop.

    Now lets draw and quarter the scumbag who committed these crimes. Only half kidding.

  58. 58
    EnfantTerrible says:

    Just a wonderful combination of human decency and deadpan humor.

  59. 59
    pokeyblow says:

    Obama was golfing during the whole rescue operation.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I just know I wouldn’t be hamming it up for the camera after an event like that. And I’ll bet you wouldn’t either. Am I wrong about that?

    Yes, you are. Because you have no idea how you’re going to react when you’re in a situation like that until you’re actually in that situation.

    One of the most haunting stories I read after the Oklahoma City bombing was about a woman who was a security guard at the building who was highly trained in how to respond to an emergency and what to do to help victims. And when the actual moment came … she froze up. She was so completely paralyzed by fear that she was unable to help anyone. And this was a huge blow to her self-image, because she had always seen herself as someone who was ready for anything and would totally leap in if an emergency happened.

    So … have you been in a rescue situation where you had to react to a cry for help? Did you discover that the person you had just rescued was a missing girl that you had heard of years before? Did you then discover that your rescue of that girl led to the rescue of two additional abducted girls who had been presumed dead for years?

    If not, then STFU about what the “appropriate” reaction is since you apparently think he has no right to be proud of his heroism.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: I’ve read the whole thread, and the only thing you’ve accomplished is you’ve made an utter buffoon out of yoursellf.

  62. 62
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @pokeyblow:

    Actually, in a day or two I expect this guy will be very famous. Chances are, he’ll stay famous for a while, more than that: ubiquitous. And he may, longer term, be an obnoxious showboat loudmouth… or a thoughtful introvert… or some random, regular, combination of the two.

    My point is, there are a thousand celebrities who are famous for stupid reasons. The fact that this guy — in the right place at the right time, and doing the right thing — might join them doesn’t strike me as problematic.

    Me either. But he’ll be long gone before Memorial Day. He’ll have a brief re-vogue during the trial, and that will be it.

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    scav says:

    @Mandalay: Not sure, but there is the underlying assumption that the correct default and proper way to handle the media is a bit RP stiff-upper-lip ‘oh, it was nothing really, please, don’t photograph me, kindly respect my privacy and speak to my assistant.’ Believe that as you will. The guy to me sounded the same on the phone to the police as he did on camera, so I don’t see him hamming it up for the media attention, which is the accusation I would find baseless. How much is default style, how much is adrenaline ramped, we’ll find out. But I don’t find it false and media-directed hamming it up for personal fun and profit.

  64. 64
    rb says:

    @Steeplejack: To me it is the worst of the “law and order and gore” shows.

    I’ve never watched a single episode; I can’t stomach it or any of its cousins. The commercials are creepy enough; you can just feel the audience leaning forward and rubbing its thighs in anticipation of each new “case.” Way more warped and messed up than is honest-to-goodness pornography.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: So let him enjoy some attaboys. Again, right-place-right-time… but he certainly deserves them.

  66. 66
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I just know I wouldn’t be hamming it up for the camera after an event like that. And I’ll bet you wouldn’t either. Am I wrong about that?

    Yes, you are. Because you have no idea how you’re going to react when you’re in a situation like that until you’re actually in that situation.

    The question was for Mr. Cole, who I think might have an idea how he would behave in that situation. I have no idea if you would. I think I know enough about myself to answer the question.

    So you have no clue at all if I’m wrong or not.

  67. 67
    trollhattan says:

    Repost from earlier today, Elizabeth Smart is using her own horrid kidnapping and hostage experience to help others. She also calls out the unintended[?] consequences abstinence-only sex ed might have on the victims. One hopes she has an opportunity to interact with these young ladies.

    http://thinkprogress.org/healt.....inence-ed/

  68. 68
    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    That hurts a lot coming from a ‘dumbass. I’m crying copious tears over here. Big as crocodiles and twice as smart as your bulemic mama.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: I don’t know you, and don’t want to pick on you. But I guess I’m curious as to whether you have the same reaction to all the jock knuckleheads interviewed after major-league sports events every weekend. You don’t have to answer, but it just occurred to me that there are people making more damn fools of themselves after every “big game” than this guy did, and they didn’t do anything nearly so useful.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    I thought Charles Ramsey was being very genuine. Haven’t you ever been in a weird or amped-up situation and afterwards started retelling it in an hysterical fashion? With laughter and everything, even if it was a horrendous event?

    The details he gave about hanging out with the guy(perp), eating ribs and playing salsa music in the backyard, “He wasn’t doing nothing out of the ordinary, ya know?”

    Ramsey was in the right place at the right time, and had the smarts to suss out the situation and not just close his doors and windows, as some people would do.

    I give him high marks for bravery and quick thinking. Kudos, Mr. Ramsey.

  71. 71
    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: So, are you creeped out by him, or not? You’ve been trying to argue both sides of it at once.

    @dance around in your bones: apparently Moe doesn’t agree, or maybe he does. He’s argued for both.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @pokeyblow:

    Again, right-place-right-time…

    And he did the right thing, which is in no way guaranteed. I think that’s a pretty good operational definition of a hero: somebody who is put in position to do something great and manages to do it.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    I’m going to go on the record right now and say that if I ever rescue so much as a squirrel I am going to loudly proclaim my own awesomeness and tell the story with maximum hamminess for at least week. What is the problem with wanting to be a hero? Everyone should want to be a hero.

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    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Its nice to know that in what may be the greatest night in the life of three families here in Cleveland, you’ve managed to make this conversation all about yourself.

    Everyone in Cleveland knew of Amanda Berry and Gina DeJesus. There were yearly vigils. The cops tore up a vacant lot a couple months back because they had an alleged jailhouse confession. To be the guy to announce ‘yeah I help rescued them?’ He can act however the heck he wants.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @Roger Moore: Roger, I would only add this: that there was an option to do nothing, or something else less risky, which wasn’t chosen.

    This guy did the right thing, a great thing. He is a hero.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @pokeyblow:

    Um, what? Jocks after games? I don’t get the comparison.

    You mean when they thank Jesus? I think that’s absurd.

    Tell me when those jocks are making jokes after some women have been being held captive and raped for a decade and I’ll get back to you on that.

    Maybe I’m way off base and the guy’s hints of empathy for the victims were left out of the interview. I hope so.

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    trollhattan says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    Am sure our bloghost would like us to consider “Time Loves a Hero” Lowell George’s last studio album with Feat. Selah.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Loves_a_Hero

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: My sense is he was plenty empathetic when he enabled their escape. I had the sense you were re-winding somewhat from your original comment. No, it seems, your big takeaway is that some neighborhood guy with cameras in front of him is a big ham.

    Wow.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Maybe I’m way off base and the guy’s hints of empathy for the victims were left out of the interview. I hope so.

    You seriously should listen to the 911 call.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I think I know enough about myself to answer the question.

    So did that security guard in Oklahoma City. But it turned out that when she was actually in the situation, she didn’t know herself as well as she thought she did.

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    Ruckus says:

    @lamh35:
    It’s hard enough to speak with a mic and camera stuffed in your face. And I’m in no way shy. I’ve done off the cuff interviews on TV and spoken in public and standing on a stage in front of hundreds of people is easier. At least to not sound like an idiot. I give this fellow an A+ for his interview. He obviously swears a lot and held his tongue and spoke pretty well for someone not used to being interviewed. Especially fairly soon after a pretty big event in his life.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Yeah, I don’t get what LarryMoeandJesus is talking about.

    Like your first reaction after an event like Ramsey went through would be “How do I get on reality TV?” Fuck, he just went through REALITY, man. That must have been heavy enough.

    Plus, I think we are all so used to TV news and talking heads that we all think we could be cool as cucumbers in front of a TV camera. Most people stare like a deer in the headlights at the sight of a camera, so I give Mr.Ramsey extra points for his genuineness.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    The details he gave about hanging out with the guy(perp), eating ribs and playing salsa music in the backyard, “He wasn’t doing nothing out of the ordinary, ya know?”

    Ramsey was in the right place at the right time, and had the smarts to suss out the situation and not just close his doors and windows, as some people would do.

    I give him high marks for bravery and quick thinking. Kudos, Mr. Ramsey.

    What’s the “bravery,” exactly?

    I’m glad he did the right thing, but I know for a fact that I would have done the exact same thing, and I wouldn’t consider it “brave.”

    So a high-five for this guy, but it’s how we’re all supposed to behave.

    We have really sunk to a low point if behaving in a correct fashion is now exceptional and “brave.” I don’t want to live in a country where that’s the standard, and I don’t think I do.

    Then again I live in Massachusetts, so maybe I’m luckier than most.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Um, yeah, so she didn’t and doesn’t.

    You have a point there, somewhere?

    Never mind, I know the answer.

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    gopher2b says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    MoeLarryAndJesus is obviously trolling at this point. Ignore him.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mandalay:

    The criticism of Mr. Ramsey is coming across as racial — note, not racist, but racial — because Mr. Ramsey’s manner and demeanor is that of a working-class black man, and his manner and demeanor are being criticized as somehow not “appropriate.”

    IMO, Mr. Ramsey’s way of expressing himself is striking a wrong note with MoeLarryandJesus because MLJ is not a working-class black man, so MLJ can’t picture himself acting that way.

    If you would prefer us to say that it’s a “class” criticism rather than a “racial” criticism, we can do that, but with the caveat that it’s very difficult to separate class and race in the US since certain races are automatically assigned to specific classes.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: On the one hand, three girls held captive for many years are now free, alive, and safe; and there is a good chance the perpetrators are in custody.

    On the other hand, the man who was most instrumental in their release celebrated more during an immediate-aftermath interview than you approve of.

    What to do?

    It’s like being at the GWB presidential library.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I’m glad he did the right thing, but I know for a fact that I would have done the exact same thing, and I wouldn’t consider it “brave.”

    You just keep on telling yourself that, honey, and hope it’s never actually put to the test where you might find out you’ve been wrong about yourself all along.

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    TCG says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Until you are instrumental in rescuing three young women kept as sex slaves for a decade and we can analyze your behavior, STFU about Mr. Ramsey.

    This guy in a few hours day has managed to be more useful than most people, including you will ever be over a lifetime. I’m sure the women he saved would agree.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    … I live in Massachusetts …

    Hmmm. So what’s your take on the assassination of Osama bin Laden? Real or faked?

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    You don’t “know for a fact” that you would have done the same thing. You THINK you would, you HOPE you would, but you don’t “know for a fact”.

    See :Kitty Genovese

    I don’t know why you are making such a big deal out of this. Give the guy a faint pat on the back if that’s all you’re willing to do, but to run him down and question his motives? Puerile.

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    rb says:

    @pokeyblow: It’s like being at the GWB presidential library.

    A low blow, sir (?). A low blow indeed.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @pokeyblow: @Mnemosyne: @scav:

    I’m glad he did the right thing, but I know for a fact that I would have done the exact same thing, and I wouldn’t consider it “brave.”

    You just keep on telling yourself that, honey, and hope it’s never actually put to the test where you might find out you’ve been wrong about yourself all along.

    And you might ask yourself why you called me “honey.”

    Meanwhile I’m trying to figure out why so many people think this guy did something “brave” according to his self-described actions.

    Anyone who didn’t do what he did would have been purely gutless. He didn’t endanger himself in any way, according to the account. Where does the bravery enter in?

    I’m waiting. I suspect the answers will be of the same sort as calling me “honey.”

    Those respondents can go eat a bag of salted dicks. @tbogg

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    Gwangung says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Never mind, I know the answer.

    Yeah, you’re pretty much acting like a dick here.

    That’s in your power to stop, you know.

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    Gwangung says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Meanwhile I’m trying to figure out why so many people think this guy did something “brave” according to his self-described actions.

    Make that smug dick.

    ETA some of have experienced life enough to know that people don’t act that way. They just don’t. They’ll accept e routine, they don’t want to get involved, they don’t want to make a scene or break a routine. Had a friend who was almost kidnapped because people didn’t want to get nvolved, and almost let a rapist make off with her in broad daylight.

    And you’re still a smug, naive dick here.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @TCG:

    He looked across the street and saw a woman asking for help. I would have helped. Would you?

    He didn’t exactly invent the wheel, and I missed the part where bullets were flying over his head. Tell me again what the major heroism is, because I missed it.

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    pokeyblow says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Of all the assholes on our planet, it’s hard for me to understand why you’re choosing the guy who helped these girls escape to hate on.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    He didn’t endanger himself in any way, according to the account.

    He didn’t actually have any way of knowing that when he walked up to a house where he heard someone screaming for help.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @pokeyblow:

    Of all the assholes on our planet, it’s hard for me to understand why you’re choosing the guy who helped these girls escape to hate on.

    Some people think that by disagreeing with everyone else, they’re bucking the herd and are therefore automatically superior.

    See also #slatepitches.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Agreed.
    As you’ve said, a person can be highly trained for a situation and think they know what they will do right up to the very second they need to act and then get it very wrong. No amount of training will predict exactly what any person will do when the real thing hits. With experience they know how they reacted and maybe how to do it better next time. So unless Mr. Ramsey has rescued 3 girls from his next door neighbor before, one would have to say he did exactly what was needed to be done. That’s rare. And I agree that there is a racial or class tone to Moe’s remarks. A man can’t have a little well earned pride? For all the assholes who get on TV to “entertain” us here is someone I’d much rather watch and listen to. Because he is real, not made up reality.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @pokeyblow: @Gwangung:

    Of all the assholes on our planet, it’s hard for me to understand why you’re choosing the guy who helped these girls escape to hate on.

    It’s hard for me to understand how anyone can be stupid enough to think I hate the guy.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @TooManyJens:

    Given recent events in Seattle, he probably had good reason to think he was going to be in danger, especially in that neighborhood.

    As usual, it’s easy for internet tough guys to stand back and talk about how they totally would have done the same thing. Talk’s cheap and anonymous electrons are even cheaper.

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    Gwangung says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: now you’re putting words in people’s mouths.

    What a dick.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @TooManyJens:

    You mean like how you think I’m disagreeing with EVERYONE else?

    Grow up.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Gwangung:

    Grow a pair.

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    Ruckus says:

    If this hole gets any deeper we will be able to order Chinese and have Moe bring it back.

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    Gwangung says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Son, you need to grow up and not be so cock sure of yourself.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne: @Mnemosyne:

    As usual, it’s easy for internet tough guys to stand back and talk about how they totally would have done the same thing. Talk’s cheap and anonymous electrons are even cheaper.

    I’m trying to figure out how you think what this guy did was exceptional, exactly.

    He did what any reasonable ,mentally-well, able-bodied, decent person would have done under the same circumstances.

    I hope.

    Maybe I’m wrong.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Gwangung:

    I’m 51 and I have too much respect for my late father to allow you to call me “son,” chuckles.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Ruckus:

    You couldn’t afford the tip. Stick to Pop-Tarts.

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Maybe I’m wrong.

    You’re wrong. You’ve had people telling you that for hours, but you don’t get it. I don’t think you want to get it, actually.

    You made a silly comment early in this thread, and, instead of retracting it, you’re digging in your heels, and making yourself look even stupider.

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    TCG says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Anytime you decide to help someone in danger, you are risking potential danger to yourself. That’s why so many people don’t get involved when they see others in distress. Mr. Ramsey had no idea if he was endangering himself or not. He had no idea what he was walking into. The person(s) holding the girl hostage could’ve showed up and anytime and shot him or attached him in some way. Time was of the essence. The girl took a risk when she tried to escape and so did Mr. Ramsey when he decided to help. Whether he perceived an imminent treat or not isn’t the point. And he actually did mention that he thought he was intervening in a domestic violence situation, and that can certainly be dangerous.

    You’re right “honey” was not the proper term for you. Asshole is much more appropriate. I have no doubt the young women involved see thing much, much differently from you. Mr. Ramsey will no doubt always be a hero to them.

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    Ruckus says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    And it just gets deeper. Maybe you can just disappear? KTHKSSFM.
    Dude, I hadn’t planned to tip you for bringing back cold Chinese. I was just trying to make all your hard work worthwhile. Cause otherwise…

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    TS says:

    @Concerned Citizen:

    He was awesome. A white girl running to him for help raised a red flag. He was telling the truth. It is what it is, namely the truth.

    And look how quickly that interview got rolled up – the white reporter didn’t want that truth to be heard.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    He did what any reasonable ,mentally-well, able-bodied, decent person would have done should do under the same circumstances but usually don’t.

    Fix’d. Do you really never read the news so you have absolutely no idea that stuff like this gets ignored by the neighbors every single day?

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    gopher2b says:

    We live in a country where there are more guns than people. This guy kicked in the door of a house he didn’t own because a girl was screaming on the other side. He easily could have been shot when he kicked the door in or when this kidnapper or his brothers returned. Obviously he was brave and a hero. It’s honestly not worth debating.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Forgive me if I think you look dumber than I do,’dumbass.

    If this guy is the new standard of heroism we might as well all eat strychnine and turn the planet over to cockroaches. He did his standard duty as a citizen, good for him. Then he did his 5 minutes of yucks on TV.

    I’m sure I’m NUTS for thinking those hilarious minutes are at least a little incongruous with the reality of three women being held captive for years by some sadist, but then again I’m a liberal and so I’m used to that sort of reaction.

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Read gopher2b’s comment. That is a distillation of why you are a goddamn fucking moron.

    ETA: Would you have been happier if the guy had been all “Lawdy, I dinna do nuttin hee-roic, I just herd da white lady and hepped her out”, Steppin Fetchit style?

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @TCG: This. If I saw a house full of slave girls I would like to think I would do the right thing. But I’d likely be shitting my pants thinking about how I might be pissing off some human trafficker ring. Or their pimp or something.

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    Mike E says:

    Douche. Knocker.

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    TCG says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: But then again I’m a liberal pretentious asshole and so I’m used to that sort of reaction.

    FIFY.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @gopher2b:

    This guy kicked in the door of a house he didn’t own because a girl was screaming on the other side. He easily could have been shot when he kicked the door in or when this kidnapper or his brothers returned. Obviously he was brave and a hero. It’s honestly not worth debating.

    Sure it is, unless you’re a gutless candyass.

    There was no gun, there was no kidnapper, there was just the woman and the door and the guy who saw what was going on.

    He did what I or any guy I know who I respect would have done.

    I’m still not seeing the intense “HEROISM” here.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    @TCG: This. If I saw a house full of slave girls I would like to think I would do the right thing. But I’d likely be shitting my pants thinking about how I might be pissing off some human trafficker ring. Or their pimp or something.

    Your balls are really that small?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @gopher2b:

    Some people don’t seem to understand the difference between how people should act in an ideal world and how they actually act in the real world.

    There was a reason that Jesus had to tell the story of the Good Samaritan in the Bible, and it wasn’t because people naturally help each other without being asked.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    LarryMoeandCurly is obviously following Tom Friedman’s advice:

    The first rule of holes is when you’re in one, stop digging. When you’re in three, bring a lot of shovels.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    He did what I or any guy I know who I respect would have done.

    That’s what those three guys in Seattle thought. They ended up dead for their trouble.

    But, hey, calling 911 on your neighbors is always easy and risk-free. Unless it turns out your neighbor has a shotgun, blasts his way into your apartment, and murders you for doing it.

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    @Mnemosyne: It’s also nice that the idiot says that since there, after all, wasn’t a guy with a gun on the other side of the door, he did nothing heroic, because, well, he should be psychic or something, and have known that.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Yes, yes they are.

    @dance around in your bones: One of my all time favorite quotes. If you take it not as advice, but as an assessment of human behavior, it’s actually smarter than it sounds. I’m sure Friedman didn’t mean it that way though.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    Maybe the right-wingers have a point when they talk about liberals being cowards, based on the shit I’m getting here.

    Nah, they don’t. Because I’m a liberal and I think this is all a bunch of bullshit. Ramsey didn’t display exceptional heroism. He did what people should be expected to do.

    He didn’t do it under fire, he didn’t do it while under any sort of apparent threat to himself. If that’s out new standard of heroism we’re well and truly fucked.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    It’s that’s good old-fashioned Republican way of thinking: if the worst case scenario didn’t happen, that means the worst case doesn’t exist at all. Except for the times it does. But smart people know exactly which cases are which. Except when they don’t, but that only proves they’re not smart.

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    scav says:

    Fascinating that one of the Trinity’s complaints is that the guy in Cleveland that actually managed something is a camera hog and look at the spotlight MLJ was/is dragging to himself for the bulk of this thread. I didn’t even talk to him, nor mention bravery but was talking conversational differences and he goes off.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    You still haven’t told us your heroic story of busting down your neighbor’s door when a strange woman called for help. You know you’re dying to.

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    TCG says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: But he didn’t know that. He didn’t know what kind of risk he might have been taking. The fact that he didn’t get shot at is good fortune. Do you really think that bravery requires only known risk? Unknown risk is arguably much scarier.

    Again I have no doubt the young women involved would disagree with you strongly and their opinions are what matters. Until you actually rescue somebody, you’re just talking shit about a man who did.

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    @Mnemosyne: He couldn’t have known that there wasn’t a guy with a gun behind the door, but he did it anyway.

    That there, after all, wasn’t a guy with a gun, proves that he didn’t do anything remotely heroic. That’s some logic there.

    “Dude, I totally would have done that” is another amazing argument.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    There was a reason that Jesus had to tell the story of the Good Samaritan in the Bible, and it wasn’t because people naturally help each other without being asked.

    Jesus? Why not quote Thor or Superman?

    By the way, in the real world, people DO help each other without being asked. Have you ever done that? I know I have.

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    gopher2b says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    He could have x-ray vision. If he had x-ray vision then he wasn’t brave. But, when you think about it, if he had x-ray vision he really should have contacted the authorities sooner.

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    Ruckus says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:
    Hey you stupid motherfucker. Have you ever been shot or even been just shot at at close range? I doubt it very much or you wouldn’t be going on like a total dumbass. I have come within inches of being shot by high powered weapons 4 times, not in the military. I have respect for the possibility that any one of them would have ended my life and if, which I hope not, there is another time it will also be a close but not connecting shot for I have also known a number of people who are dead or disabled for life from gunfire. It is not in the least fun nor at all pretty and most of us know that. This seems to have escaped your little brain.
    Don’t bother to answer, I’m too old to have the time to bother with complete dumbasses.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    You still haven’t told us your heroic story of busting down your neighbor’s door when a strange woman called for help. You know you’re dying to.

    In fact I know I’m not and that only a pissant would ask.

    So thanks for asking.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    Tiresome troll is tiresome. I’m sure Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight appreciate Charles Ramsey intervening in what he thought was a domestic violence situation, risky as that can get. And the “put yourself in her shoes” statement to the 911 dispatcher he spoke to was spot-on, because listening to the emotionless dispatcher that answered Amanda Berry’s call, I felt like punching someone.

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    gopher2b says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    It’s pretty obvious that your issue here is you didn’t get to go on tv after your bit of heroism. So, you have the mic, tell us your story, you’ve only vaguely mentioned it like five times:

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    In fact I know I’m not and that only a pissant would ask.

    Yep, just what I thought — you’ve never actually been in that situation, so all you’re doing is pissing on someone else’s actions for the hell of it. Thanks for confirming.

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    @Mnemosyne: It’s just awful when the stupid commenters here don’t get someone’s greatness, isn’t it?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Felanius Kootea:
    And we have Cleek to thank once again. Although pie is probably too good for this instance.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Some people don’t seem to understand the difference between how people should act in an ideal world and how they actually act in the real world.

    Yeah, they talk about not feeding the trolls, but then turn around and feed them anyway.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Hey, I never talk about not feeding the trolls. I keep a special bag of food just for them.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Ruckus:

    Hey you stupid motherfucker. Have you ever been shot or even been just shot at at close range?

    No. I once had 3-4 tons of concrete fall off a roof and miss me by inches, though. Does that count, you stupid fatherfucker?

    I have come within inches of being shot by high powered weapons 4 times, not in the military. I have respect for the possibility that any one of them would have ended my life and if, which I hope not, there is another time it will also be a close but not connecting shot for I have also known a number of people who are dead or disabled for life from gunfire. It is not in the least fun nor at all pretty and most of us know that. This seems to have escaped your little brain.

    Are you as dumb as this makes you appear to be?

    Don’t bother to answer, I’m too old to have the time to bother with complete dumbass

    I’m not. It’s one of life’s little pleasures. You’re just even more little than most.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    @dance around in your bones: One of my all time favorite quotes. If you take it not as advice, but as an assessment of human behavior, it’s actually smarter than it sounds. I’m sure Friedman didn’t mean it that way though.

    Magic 8 Ball says “You may rely on it”

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    Ruckus says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:
    You guys don’t mention pie enough.

    Thank you Mr. Cleek

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    That hole keeps getting deeper.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Roger Moore:
    I was told the other day it is fun to poke a stick at them. I don’t think that is always correct. So I’m going back to the bakery for more of Mr. Cleek’s pie.

    Besides with a nym like Ruckus every once in a while one just has to raise some.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Jesus? Why not quote Thor or Superman?

    I’m just going to let that hang there since you seem to have no idea why your reply is freakin’ hilarious.

    But, either way, I do have to work in the morning, but I’ll check back to see your heroic story of heroicness that totally blows Mr. Ramsey’s away.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ruckus:

    It’s fun for me, but my blood pressure is reliably 90/60. You, sir, need to keep a closer eye on yours.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    The hole is in your mind, little man.

    And it’s not getting deeper. How could it, in a depthless environment?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    That is an absolute fact. And is why Mr. Cleek’s bakery is so good. Helps to keep my BP in better numbers and is non fattening at the same time.

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    Summary of every MoeLarryAndJesus comment aimed at me: “I know you are, but what am I?”

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    The hole is in your mind, little man.

    You’re right, but only because what the rest of us are looking at here isn’t a hole but a train wreck- which wouldn’t have been so bad (whoops, the caboose went off the tracks!) if you’d have just backed away early on rather then sent more high-speed trains down the same line.

    But do go on, please.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    And good on ya, Mr. Ramsey!

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Took me a sec to place that…But, yes, exactly!

    (also, “…rather than…,” rather than, “…rather then…” in my first.)

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):

    I’m still wondering what I’m supposed to “back away” from.

    The guy did a good thing then lessened it by doing a stand-up act instead of stepping away. That’s my position and I’m sticking to it.

    I really do not give a rat’s ass what ‘dumbass and company conclude about that.

    Some people just don’t know what respect means.

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    Prometheus Shrugged says:

    @Mnemosyne: Very true. When I was in college, there was a serious domestic violence case in the next door apartment. I let the woman hide out in my room for a couple of hours and call the police, but it wasn’t because I knew that it was the right thing to do–I was basically wetting my pants the entire time wondering if the guy was coming back, what my parents would think if they knew I was being questioned by police, etc. etc. These were the thoughts of a total wuss. But that’s what I was reduced to in those circumstances, even when it was completely obvious that someone needed help. I’m not sure I would be much different now, 30 years later.

    I’d say that everyone needs a neighbor or friend like Charles Ramsey.

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    Moe, Translated: That uppity Black guy wasn’t humble enough when the reporters talked to him. No fucking respect to his superiors.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @TS:

    Concerned Citizen said: He was awesome. A white girl running to him for help raised a red flag. He was telling the truth. It is what it is, namely the truth.

    TS said:And look how quickly that interview got rolled up – the white reporter didn’t want that truth to be heard.

    Heh. That struck me, too – how quickly reporter skedaddled.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Well, it’s sorta too late now, but when the first slew of reactions started coming in telling you that you’re probably misreading something, you should have said something like, ‘Okay, I guess I just don’t see it that way. Whatevs.” Instead, you’ve gone all in, following one ill-advised retort with another.

    Look, the guy didn’t dive on a live grenade, but he didn’t exactly know what type of danger he might face by trying to let the young woman out of the house. And whether there was any danger awaiting him or not, he just freed these people whose families might never have seen them alive again. That alone would get my adrenaline up had I been in Mr. Ramsey’s shoes.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Shut the fuck up. I didn’t say or imply anything about “uppity Black guy.” If you think I’m a racist you can die in a fire as quickly as possible.

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    Craig says:

    From firsthand experience, the people who talk the most about how “I totally could have fuckin done that” are invariably the biggest pussies when a door actually needs to be broken down.

    There’s two ways to identify these guys. When everything’s cool, look for the loudest bullshitter in the room. When you’re on a call, look for the guy hiding in the back, pretending like he’s doing something useful and hoping no one notices him. It’s always the same dude.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):

    No, actually, he just got one woman out of the house. The cops did the rest.

    I love how you and the other goobers are jumping on me when you can’t even get the basic facts straight.

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus: I will shut the fuck up right around the time you admit that you’ve been saying stupid shit the whole time on this thread.

    You have spent the whole evening denigrating what a Black man did to rescue three white women and a girl from captivity, because he wasn’t respectful enough in a television interview. Who’s the idiot now?

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Craig:

    I call those guys “Craigs.”

    How do you like those apples?

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    A guy helps three women, and a girl, escape captivity, and someone spends hours finding reasons to crap on him, because he wasn’t humble enough, according to one commenter. Who is the idiot?

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Oh, only one woman. Right. One woman who’d been held captive for ten years. Totally nothing to that, then.

    Jebus…Send in the train containing 90 cars of ammonium nitrate. End this thing.

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    Craig says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: …why did you think I was talking to you?

    And what apples? What the hell are you talking about?

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    You have spent the whole evening denigrating what a Black man did to rescue three white women and a girl from captivity, because he wasn’t respectful enough in a television interview. Who’s the idiot now?

    That would be you, ‘dumbass. You capitalized “black,” for no apparent reason, marking you as a backwoods rube. I didn’t denigrate his actions at all. What’s wrong with your brain?

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Craig:

    You don’t get the apples reference?

    How old are you?

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus: You started off, in comment 9, complaining how he was auditioning to be on TMZ. Then, you said he was “hamming it up for the cameras”. Then, you said that what he did wasn’t anything special, because anyone would have done the same thing, based on your own fantasies.

    Do you think nobody has read any of your other comments in this thread?

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    ruemara says:

    @Mnemosyne: I am so jealous.

    Also, heroic actions by Mr. Ramsey. People can hold onto their opinions of whether or not they were heroic, but the fact is, he is a hero to the women and their families. Period.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    I hope LarryMoeandCurly has an infinite supply of shovels, because he sure keeps diggin’ those holes.

    And with that, I’m off to slumberland. ‘Night Juicers!

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    I don’t see any conflict between those statements.

    Have a point, or are you just wagging your tail?

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    There was a time when I was very young watching some film on Kukla, Fran & Ollie, and something really, really embarrassing was happening to one of the characters, and I felt so bad for the character that I had to change the channel…MLJ’s comments are like deja vu.

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    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): I actually still sometimes feel like that, as an adult, when I’m watching some TV shows. I remember watching Kukla, Fran & Ollie when I was a child, but don’t remember much about it.

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus: conflict? They’re part of a pattern. You have spent the whole evening trying to run the guy down.

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    And, with that, he has become boring, and will go into the pie filter. Ta-ta, asshole!

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    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    You are literally one of the dumbest people to ever post here.

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    TS says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    Heh. That struck me, too – how quickly reporter skedaddled.

    Sad reality – white men don’t like the truth when it is told by a black guy – The President has learned that one the hard way – the troll is yet to admit it.

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    raven says:

    What a bullshit direction for this thread to take, the man was fired up and he should have been.

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    gibsojj says:

    I feel like I should dox this MLJ asshole and drag his name and words in front of the entire world.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Thank God for Mr. Ramsey. He is a hero. Contrast his conduct to the behavior of “Jack” in this story.

    http://www.villagevoice.com/20.....tion/full/

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    monkeyfister says:

    This interview demands auto-tuning.

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    p says:

    i love this man on so many levels…

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    HeartlandLiberal says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: Yes. You are absolutely wrong. The man was being totally straightforward and natural. There was absolutely nothing forced or artificial or calculating in anything he said or how he said it.

    This is perfectly clear when you get to the punch line at the end about his knowing there was a problem when a little white girl runs to a Black man for help.

    What was also notable at that point, by the way, was the obvious discomfort the interviewer had at this statement. He immediately started peddling away and trying to terminate the interview, because he was uncomfortable with the truth which had just been expressed.

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    Wally Ballou says:

    @John Cole: I’m nobody’s Biblical scholar, but isn’t that at least half the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan? Not just that the guy stopped to help a stranger, but that he did so as a marginal and despised Other (and after two “respectable” pillars of the community had ignored the victim’s plight, no less)?

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    pika says:

    @HeartlandLiberal: And no one has mentioned (at least I think I read all the comments) a) the look on Mr. Ramsey’s face when the sirens go off and b) the actual risk he took in calling 911. As Beth Ritchie documents, Black domestic violence victims, for instance, are often arrested when they call for police help. To actually be Black and attempt to contact the police for assistance in this country is indeed to take a risk: will I be constructed as helping someone else/in need of help, or will I be constructed as the very threat itself?

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    Wally Ballou says:

    @John Cole: I’m nobody’s Biblical scholar, but isn’t that at least half the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan? Not just that the guy stopped to help a stranger, but that he did so as a marginal and despised Other?

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    Ryan C says:

    @John Cole: This is his big moment, and he didn’t need to save anyone. He got everyone’s attention by just being an asshole.

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    VOR says:

    Mr. Ramsey seemed straight-forward and just trying to honestly describe what happened. Sounds like a man who lives in the real world. I think it is very refreshing that he doesn’t sound scripted. And to echo Dance above, I would love to have a neighbor like him.

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    lojasmo says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    I think it’s Ted & Helen’s new nym. No other person could be so stupid and persistent.

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    Soprano2 says:

    Around here (Springfield, MO) when you say “three missing women” it has a specific meaning, when I woke up and heard that report it was the first thing I thought of. This year is the 20th anniversary of their disappearance, in fact it happened in May so it’s coming up soon. A woman, her daughter and the daughter’s friend disappeared. They left their purses behind, so you know they didn’t just leave. The mother was a hairdresser, so the theory is that she knew something that got her killed, and the two younger women were just in the wrong place at the wrong time because they weren’t supposed to be at home. Their bodies have never been found, and no one knows for sure what happened to them. I can only imagine how this town would react if they were found alive, it would shut down the city. I’m so glad for these women and their families, although I fear they will need therapy for years to deal with this and the aftermath. How long until the Dateline interview, the book and movie?

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    lojasmo says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    we might as well all eat strychnine

    Please proceed.

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    Paddy says:

    It’s hard to grasp that these 3 girls have been held up there for 10 years without anyone knowing any different. I guess that’s an assumption that they were there. Such a relief for them and their families. I can’t imagine how they must feel.

    As for the interview – very amusing. Well done to him for doing something about the screams for help.

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    drkrick says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    The question was for Mr. Cole, who I think might have an idea how he would behave in that situation. I have no idea if you would. I think I know enough about myself to answer the question.

    So you have no clue at all if I’m wrong or not.

    Unless you’ve been in that kind of situation you don’t. You just don’t. It touches places in you that you didn’t know you had and you sure didn’t know what they contain.

    I was in one of those situations once and I did alright, I think. But it was nothing like I would ever have predicted.

    Ramsay did the right thing about the most important thing. His affect isn’t important, give him room to deal with it the way he needs to.

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    KXB says:

    @Steeplejack:

    What bothers me about “Criminal Minds” and “Law and Order SVU” is the way they just bring character A (usually a woman), brutalize her, and the focus is on the cops and criminals. Plus, it is on broadcast. It is one thing to see such a show on pay cable, but I guess I always considered that the restrictions on broadcast TV would limit this type of subject matter.

    At least with “Breaking Bad”, the character of Jesse is haunted by some of what he has done, while we see Walter White become a stone cold killer.

    As for the hero of the hour – someone who watches too much TV would think he is hamming it up. But, I can just as easily say that a man who is not on TV for a living has no idea how he comes across. Language aside, that man saved the lives of three women, and their families can finally get some peace of mind.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    \@MoeLarryAndJesus:”gave me the creeps. He’s auditioning for reality TV.”

    HUH?

    Off the top of mt head I can think of 2 guys who I use to do deliveries with that would have sounded about the same.

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    carolus says:

    Best TV interview evah–the hatchet-wielding hitchhiker.

    http://www.google.com/url?q=ht.....j2j53-JGJQ

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    Applejinx says:

    What the hell is wrong with ML&J?

    I liked that, shall we say unrepentant Black Guy.

    Let’s take a moment to try to be as clear-headed as Ramsey. He’s absolutely right that a white girl running for help into the arms of a black man means Something Is Very Wrong, and sure enough, something was. And it’s a big deal that he initiated their rescue.

    Let’s look at what he did have to do.

    You’re seriously telling me it doesn’t take massive cojones for a Black Man, knowing he is a black man in america, to rescue what is apparently someone in distress by kicking in the door of a house?

    Trayvon Martin died for a lot less, as Ramsey very likely knows.

    He risked being shot down like a dog by any damn armed passersby or policeman, with no questions asked or apologies necessary, and he didn’t let that stop him from what he needed to do—and three girls were rescued from slavery thanks to his courage.

    You want to have him behave like a white TV anchorman when interviewed, when that white upper-clas TV anchorman would get the benefit of the doubt when kicking in a door, and he absolutely wouldn’t?

    You’re an asshole. Let him talk like himself. A man’s character is shown by his actions, not by the accompanying line of patter. We need more of him and less of you, ML&J.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @gibsojj:

    I feel like I should dox this MLJ asshole and drag his name and words in front of the entire world.

    I feel like you’re a turd in a bucket of piss.

    So I guess I win.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @HeartlandLiberal:

    This is perfectly clear when you get to the punch line at the end about his knowing there was a problem when a little white girl runs to a Black man for help.

    A woman was raped for 10 years and he had a PUNCH LINE.

    Applaud his actions all day. Pardon me if I’m a little creeped out that he had a PUNCH LINE.

    It’s been fun playing the witch in a Balloon Juice Witch Hunt overnight.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: HeartlandLiberal may have called it a punch line, but what makes you think Charles Ramsey thought of it as anything but the truth?

    I just don’t get why you are so sure that it was all a put-on. That this guy you don’t know made sure to ham it up, not only for the cameras but also for the 911 operator, just so he could be famous or whatever. Why is there no room for doubt in your mind that maybe, just maybe, you could be wrong and you were seeing his natural reaction in this very unusual situation? Because it’s not how you think you would act? Well, who gives a fuck? Turns out, different people are different.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Applejinx:

    He risked being shot down like a dog by any damn armed passersby or policeman, with no questions asked or apologies necessary, and he didn’t let that stop him from what he needed to do—and three girls were rescued from slavery thanks to his courage.

    You want to have him behave like a white TV anchorman when interviewed, when that white upper-clas TV anchorman would get the benefit of the doubt when kicking in a door, and he absolutely wouldn’t?

    You’re an asshole. Let him talk like himself. A man’s character is shown by his actions, not by the accompanying line of patter. We need more of him and less of you, ML&J.

    Yadda yadda yadda. I love the imperial “we.” I love the idiocy of the “white TV anchorman” bullshit. That “white TV anchorman” loved that interview and was laughing at the end, just like you. Both of you dug the PUNCH LINE.

    Ha ha. Ten years of rape, meh, that’s bad, but now we’ve got a YOUTUBE CLASSIC FUNNY!

    Yee hah! Only in America!

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @TooManyJens:

    I just don’t get why you are so sure that it was all a put-on. That this guy you don’t know made sure to ham it up, not only for the cameras but also for the 911 operator, just so he could be famous or whatever. Why is there no room for doubt in your mind that maybe, just maybe, you could be wrong and you were seeing his natural reaction in this very unusual situation?

    I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say I said he hammed it up for the 911 operator. I said no such thing.

    I also love the leap to “no room for doubt” in MY mind, when the yammering blood-zombies who have spent the night and morning calling me a racist and so on don’t seem to have any doubts and you’re not calling THEM out. Of course I could be wrong. How about you and the other blood-zombies? Could you creatures be wrong?

    Oh, wait, that never happens.

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    RoonieRoo says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus:

    Ramsey may have been hamming it up a little, but considering the circumstances and the fact that this is the best possible outcome for the situation (nobody got shot, nobody was found dead), I’d say he absolutely earned that right.

    And I work with a guy who has a PUNCH LINE for every conceivable situation, good and bad. It’s just part of his personality, and how he processes reality. Everything is fodder for a joke, whether there’s a crowd of people around him or just two of us. Ramsey reminds me a lot of him.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: He talked the same way to the 911 operator that he did in the interview. So if he was hamming it up in the interview, he must have been doing the same thing with the 911 operator, right?

    blood-zombies

    Dude, you need to get a little perspective.

    FWIW, I don’t think you’re a racist, I just think you’re being an asshole all over this thread for no apparent reason.

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    Catsy says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: No, I’m right there with him and everyone else who’s gaping incredulously at what a gigantic asshole you’re being in this thread.

    Let’s boil this down: an ordinary guy is in the right place at the right time to rescue three women from a decade of captivity, and the sole thing you’ve managed to focus on is shitting on him because you assume that he’s hamming it up in his interview.

    You don’t fucking know this guy. You don’t know what kind of person he normally is, what his usual demeanor is. You don’t know what his state of mind is during this interview. You just see him being high-strung and talking colorfully and the first thing out of your judgmental hole is that he “gives you the creeps” and that he’s “auditioning for reality TV”.

    The pushback you’ve gotten as a consequence is the kindest reaction that display of asshattery deserves. Show some goddamn decency and empathy.

    And I work with a guy who has a PUNCH LINE for every conceivable situation, good and bad. It’s just part of his personality, and how he processes reality. Everything is fodder for a joke, whether there’s a crowd of people around him or just two of us.

    This. I know plenty of people like this. It’s not an act, it’s just who they are.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Dead Horse Flogging flogs again.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @TooManyJens:

    FWIW, I don’t think you’re a racist, I just think you’re being an asshole all over this thread for no good reason.

    Yeah? Well, read the thread again and tell me honestly that I’M the one who escalated the hostilities.

    Not Walker at #39, ‘dumbass in general, Mnemosyne telling me to STFU… But yeah, according to you it’s all me.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: You make a lot of really obnoxious statements, people react to them, and you’re the victim. Yeah, OK.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @TooManyJens:

    You make a lot of really obnoxious statements, people react to them, and you’re the victim. Yeah, OK.

    No, I’m the “racist,” remember?

    Grow up. You joined the witch-hunting scrum. Feel better about yourself now? I’ll bet you do.

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    Jebediah says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    So did that security guard in Oklahoma City. But it turned out that when she was actually in the situation, she didn’t know herself as well as she thought she did.

    I hope she’s made some progress in dealing with it. I think it is not reasonable to beat herself up for not reacting heroically; she was, without warning, thrown into an unimaginably horrific situation. At least combat troops know they are headed for combat – they don’t show up for work at an office building one day and all of a sudden it is a battlefield. They have some time to adjust mentally. I am not discounting the horrors of war, especially since I have never been in it. But she was taken completely by surprise.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @lojasmo:

    That’s my suspicion, too, which is why I’m wondering what our new chewtoy’s opinion is of the Osama bin Laden situation. That’s one of T&H’s favorite hobbyhorses.

    ETA: The obnoxious statements designed to get a reaction followed by whining about how the troll is the real victim here because everyone is so mean is also an interesting tell.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    Neighbor Anna Tejeda was sitting on her porch with friends when they heard someone across the street kicking a door and yelling. Tejeda said one of her friends went over and told Berry how to kick the screen out of the bottom of the door, which allowed her to crawl out.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....28815.html

    Oops! This Anna Tejeda must be a racist. How dare she contradict the hero?

    I thought HE bravely kicked the door down – after all, that’s what Applehead told me at #209.

    What’s the real story here?

    Not that it matters, right?

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    TooLameToBeTheThreeStooges is just jealous. Just you wait. Once he finds himself a neighbor he can convince to kidnap three girls and hold them for ten years, he’ll show you that he can kick down the door, just like Ramsey did, when he sees the guy leave. Then he’ll do all of his 911 calls and TV interviews in a proper British accent, and he’ll hold his pinky out while he sips on tea.

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    LAC says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: maybe you should shut up already.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    When will you fucking morons stop saying Ramsey kicked down the door?

    He did no such thing, except in your tiny little fantasies.

    So fuck you and the rest of your mob.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @LAC:

    Maybe you should have a nice Drano cocktail, chuckles.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    And listen again to that 9/11 call, where Ramsey plainly tells the operator that Amanda Berry is on another phone calling 911 herself.

    The real hero here is Amanda Berry, who kicked her own way to freedom.

    But I’m a racist for saying so, according to a drove of jackasses here.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @MoeLarryAndJesus: I bet we’ll find out that Ramsey has a past relative who was white, then we’ll have to stop calling him a black man. Or maybe that he wasn’t actually eating at McDonald’s, he was just sitting there with a cup of coffee.

    Could you make sure, as you dig your hole, you throw the dirt straight up?

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Can I not kick your head in and say I did?

    How about just admitting you were wrong, dickhead?

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    I was wrong – Charles Ramsey is different than I thought he was. He’s much more full of shit:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJlLHfk-y_8

    This time next week he’ll be landing a plane on an aircraft carrier under a banner that says “Mission Accomplished.”

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Keep on flogging that dead horse, MoeLarryandCurly – you have reached the heights of matoko-loko obsession with your pet peeve.

    Congrats.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @dance around in your bones: But MLaC is the real hero; against all odds he pointed out that Ramsey only kicked the screen in. The girls wouldn’t have been rescued at all had it not been for MLaC’s bravery.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Bravery on the Internet! Hoocoodanode?

    I just checked back in to see if 3stooge was still arguing with himself, like matoko-loko used to do at the end of a dead thread. Well, looky here! Coming up with even MORE stupid points!

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Belafuck (formerly anonevent):

    But MLaC is the real hero; against all odds he pointed out that Ramsey only kicked the screen in.

    Ramsey didn’t kick anything, unless he kicked other guys out of the way to get more camera time.

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    Darkrose says:

    Dammit. Does anyone have a link to the Chrome version of the pie filter? Mine doesn’t seem to be working and I REALLY need it.

    ETA: I’ve added MLJ to the filter, and if I click “show list” I see his name, but when I refresh the page, I can still see him yammering on.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    This little meltdown has a certain … air to it, don’t you guys think? Especially once MLJ starts whining about how he’s the real victim because he’s an independent thinker who doesn’t go along with the crowd! He’s so persecuted! Why is everyone saying that Ramsey did something heroic when MLJ is the real hero of this story!?

    It all has a very familiar ring.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Darkrose:

    Here’s what I found (I don’t use Chrome, so…hope it works!)

    Also, this one – again, haven’t used it but they both mention cleek and Balloon Juice so – fingers crossed!

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    It’s an honor to be filtered by unfettered asswipes.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    It all has a very familiar ring.

    You’re just sniffing your sphincter again, chuckles.

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    Curly says:

    Really folks, who is the real Ham in this thread?

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Darkrose:

    No problem. Some people just beg to get their ass wiped with pie. It’s easily reversible if they happen to make sense again :)

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    Train wreck

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    Jebediah says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    The pie filter is glorious! I use it very sparingly, but it does wonders. If I ever meet Cleek IRL, I’ll buy him a drink. Hell, I’ll buy him a meal. With dessert. (Maybe some nice pie?)

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Jebediah: Agreed!

    cleek used to accept suggestions for his pie filter and I had great fun adding pie lines….sadly, his suggestion page is closed for comments right now but he added one when I left a comment on his site recently.

    It does do wonders for infested threads.

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    Incitatus for Senate says:

    Please someone make a pie filter for mobile, the rampant douchebaggery is starting to ooze out of my iPhone.

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