Froggy Open Thread


I have a weirdly fraught relationship with the local frog population. Not sure why. My head isn’t particularly lily pad-shaped, but I can hardly venture out after dusk without a frog flinging itself at me. They don’t persecute anyone else to the same degree. It’s a mystery.

Anyway, sometimes I see them first. This one’s a cute little bugger. Feel free to discuss amphibians or anything else.

159 replies
  1. 1
    scav says:

    You’re the Frog Goddess.
    “All the frogs knew was that they loved her and wanted to be near her, to cherish him, and to leap on her.”

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    Linkmeister says:

    If amphibians are a good enough topic for Bob Dylan . . .“Froggie Went A’Courtin'”

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    Comrade Mary says:

    That’s a pretty goddamn adorable frog right there. Yep.

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    lamh35 says:

    Found myself last night undecided what to watch on tv last night since there really wasn’t much on that I was interested in.

    So I was deciding between watching Disney’s Tangled on ABC Family or watching the classic concert footage of Diana Ross LIVE from Central Park circa 1983.

    Ultimately, I couldn’t resist the lure of Da Boss Ms Ross in her solo artist prime and her different colored catsuits. So I found myself watching it and totally LOVING it. Diana Ross barely any choreography and a few wardrobe changes and that’s it! Just Ms Ross in her Orange catsuit singing her ass off in the rain. Ultimately she had to stop the show, but she came back and did an whole nothing show the very next day I think.

    Diana Ross Live 1983 in Central Park Reach Out and Touch

    TVOne is showing all day it seems, so of course I’ma watch it again

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    I’m about to take my 5 year old into the woods behind the house to the frog pond in a little while, as it happens. We take a net with us and scoop up frogs, look at them and then let them hop back into the pond. Funny that this should be up right now.

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    cbear says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a frog with a shit-eating grin before. Awesome.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Florida has the weirdest fucking problems.

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    Robby-D says:

    Wow, great photo, and to boot I love tree frogs! Thanks for making my Sunday!

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    Citizen Alan says:

    He looks like he’s about to start singing a song about rainbows.

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    Keith says:

    Going reptile, but by far the most lizards I have ever seen was in Jacksonville, FL in April. It was absolutely surreal, as the entire 2 weeks I was there, I would literally see about 5 of them for every step I took on the sidewalk. And it was like this everywhere I went; I easily saw thousands of them.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Can’t argue with a word like “fraught.”

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    c u n d gulag says:

    Kinda looks like Mitch McConnell, smiling because he just thwarted some progress again.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    Cute tree frog. SQUEEEE!

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    gogol's wife says:


    I just immediately anthropomorphize him. He’s a wise old man who’s smiling warmly at me.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @c u n d gulag:

    No, no, no! This frog is beautiful!

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    Morzer says:

    “I just lurve that lil Betty Croaker girl so much!”

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    RSA says:

    Frogs serenade us in our backyard most summer evenings. A few years ago I took a picture of one and sent it to Ugly Overload (Cute Overload’s opposite).

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    JCT says:

    Cute froggy! We have some huge green toads here in Southern AZ – freaked the crap out of me the first time I saw one peering at me on the patio. Bigger than a softball. But I greatly prefer them to the scorpions.

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    Schlemizel says:

    I sometimes refered to Florida as “the plague of the month club”. Woke up one morning & the entire West side of the house was covered in frogs. Another time I went outside & everything was a matte gold, covered with a 1/4″ of pollen, the pool (despite being enclosed in a screen room) would produce snakes by the score.

    I don’t think the place was designed for people to love in and we are not doing the wildlife any favors by being there

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    Elizabelle says:


    Saw the NYTimes article about the Koch Brothers circling the Tribune papers.

    Literally chilled the blood to hear it.

    I really like the Los Angeles Times. They cannot be allowed anywhere near it.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Betty: Thought of you when I read that residents of Richmond, VA are now allowed to keep chickens in backyard coops. They have to pay a $60 permit, and the chickens have to be good neighbors.

    That said, fresher eggs to throw at Eric Cantor!*

    PS: touching story re someone’s pet (illegal) chicken.
    Unplucked. A backyard chicken keeper comes out of the coop.

    (*whose recent approval rating is — yuppers. It’s that number again.)

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    c u n d gulag says:

    @gogol’s wife:
    Sorry, I can’t help it.

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    jeffreyw says:

    Freddie Frog? He is dead to me, he swims with the fishes.

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    moderateindy says:

    I’m not sure if this subject has already been broached, and perhaps it is just the cynic in me, but does anyone else find the whole “Boston strong” thing that the media seems to be glomming onto slightly silly? I keep seeing reports where the anchor, or reporter speaks about how courageous the people of Boston have been.
    Granted, having bombs go off in your city is a pretty harrowing thing, but the media acts like the city has been under seige by some foreign power, and has valiantly resisted. The media seems to be portraying the city as a whole as heroic, and the reaction as extra ordinary. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem like they are reacting any differently than any other typical city on the planet. In fact, when compared to the reactions of other places that see terrorist attacks more frequently, the city is kind of “freaking out” if you will. Of course that’s more a function of the governing apparatus than the actual citizenry. But seriously, in what way has the city been particularly brave or shown some great courage. Mostly, the people of Boston seem to be acting the way anyone would act.
    It seems like it’s all another example of the media’s constant background theme to push a danger/panic agenda. In this case pushing the meme that an entire city had to stand up against some grave existential threat. When in reality it was a very limited danger to a tiny portion of the population.
    But it plays great into everyone’s fear of such random violence. The same fear which, by the way, makes people go out and buy semi-automatic weapons so they can protect themselves from the nearly non-existant threat of somebody coming into their house and attempting to harm them.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    It’s like you have your own personal plague.

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    Highway Rob says:

    Daddy loves froggie. Froggie love daddy? Ribbit… ribbit… /HedleyLamar

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    raven says:



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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @JCT: I too would be taken aback by a huge green toad peeing at me on my own patio.

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    gene108 says:


    At times I think we should just be hoping for the biggest meteor out there to put speed up, what sure looks like the deliberate attempt of our “betters”, to wipe out humanity for their short term gain.

    At least with the meteor, we’ll all be equal losers in the short and long run.

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    Yutsano says:

    Ribbit. :)

    @Comrade Mary: The Leafs are eligible to try for Lord Stanley’s Tableware. THE. FECKING. LEAFS!!

    @JCT: The toads at least eat the scorpions. So they’re definitely worth keeping around for that reason.

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    J. says:

    I’m with the group, that is one adorable little frog. (Did you take the photo, Betty? If so, I applaud your courage and photographic skill.)

    That said, I’d probably scream my head off if froggy and his little buddies decided to jump on my face.

    Speaking of nature attacking, I was nearly taken out by this osprey while recently in Florida. (I actually thought it was one of those Republican Hawks attacking me, only to later discover it was a different bird of prey.)

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    Sawgrass Stan says:

    Nice frog– friendly smile, too. We’ve got some like that, and I’ve gone out of a night more than once and found myself frog-smacked. Also, Betty– trying to get an ordinance thru here in Miami Shores that would allow residents to keep chickens. It’s dead on arrival. “That’s what Little Haiti is for,” I was told.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    I have written here before about my fire-bellied toads smuggled home on a plane from San Francisco. Their fingernails and toenails looked like they were dipped in scarlet fingernail polish.

    Waaaaaay back in the day we lived on an old farm, and the bathroom was rather decrepit. My mom was visiting once and while she was showering a small frog jumped out of somewhere and landed on her chest. THAT was fun! The shrieks!

    We finally got the bathroom redone, and all the frog fun stopped. Bummer!

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    GregB says:

    Sweet Jeepers, I just went on the roller coaster of crazy ride following the links to that LePage/Agenda 21 post.

    I can only imagine some of these kooks are going to show up and try to stop the new community garden that is being built in my small town because a community garden is just the beginning of the collective Agenda 21 world human liquidation plot.

    P.S. Why do most of these shithouse internet conspiracy theorists have such shitty combover hair-dos?

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    Sawgrass Stan says:

    @J.: great pics! Did you try to do a blow-up of the osprey pic? Haven’t been back to Sanibel for years and years; hope it’s not destroyed.

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    Mary G says:

    Betty, you have got to draw more. The illustrations on the second post linked are hilarious. Thanks for a great belly laugh. (With you, not at you; I have done some embarrassing pratfalls in front of the garbage truck myself.)

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    Splitting Image says:

    A bunch of people on my facebook feed have been posting an interview Ted Gunderson did years ago claiming that most of the terrorist acts in the states were done by the FBI.

    It’s becoming a little disturbing, although in one case, if she hadn’t decided to blame The Government for what happened in Boston, she’d be blaming The Muslims. I’m honestly a little worried about her.

    In other news, I recently bought the Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVD set and have just finished watching the first season. I lost a fair number of geek points in my circle of friends for never having seen the show before.

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    Sawgrass Stan says:

    @GregB: @GregB: it’s because they’re deathly afraid that the Japanese are going to build a golf course on the unoccupied real estate on top of their heads. They should worry more about all the empty space UNDER that comb-over.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Splitting Image: it would help the FBI if they wouldn’t entrap people and then make a big deal about catching them. New York cops are just as bad.

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    J. says:

    @Sawgrass Stan: Thank you! Hadn’t thought about blowing it up, but now I will look into it. (I was taking a picture of the pelicans when this bird took aim at me. My daughter ran, but I just kept clicking.) I’ve only been to Sanibel twice, both times in the last six months, but it was not over-developed and they do a good job of protecting the local wildlife.

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    sonofsamantha says:

    sigh…so looks like ‘Miranda rights’ is the new ‘Chained CPI’

    You Greewald/Kostards, Firebaggers are anything but unpredicable.

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    Rich (In Name Only) in Reno says:

    Frogs. Frogs. Frogs, they are everywhere.
    Frogs. Frogs. Frogs croaking fill the air.
    Louder. Louder. Louder is their blasting blare
    and there’s no silence in the night.

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    Baud says:


    Wait, I thought you were a firebagger? I need a chart.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @GregB: GregB is referring to this story here.

    If the only Maine you’ve seen is the part south of Bar Harbor, and between the Turnpike and salt water, this is possibly surprising. Otherwise, not.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Yutsano: But the much-lauded Blue Jays have been tanking HARD, even with God’s Knuckleballer in the lineup. (OK, they beat the Yankees today, but only after seriously fucking up the last game). Everything balances out.

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    Don K says:

    A couple of nights ago our cats encountered a toad that was crossing the driveway to get from one flower bed to another. The girl cat just sat there and stared at it, not thinking it was supper but not knowing what to think about it, but the boy cat gave it a wide berth (like 8 or 10 feet), seeming to say “OMG!!WTF is that thing?”

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Baud: Lordy no. He’s the moderate extremist. It’s hard to keep up, but our politics has become so toxic that even the moderates have their purity trolls.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    We had a colony of toads living in our front yard. A dinner guest caught one to show to his son. It must have traumatized the toads, because we never saw them again. My husband has banned the dinner guest from our house – he calls the guest the toad destroyer.

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    aimai says:


    I’m in the boston area and I don’t ever watch any tv, sports, or even get the paper so I’m missing out on all the chest thumping and insta-branding (Boston Strong? Really? Absurd.) I thought the “we’re so tough we’re all Southie” was hysterically bathetic during the last week. Southie isn’t southie anymore, if it ever was. It consisted of corrupt politicians, extortionists, and murderers. Sure, they’d fuck you up if you were weak enough, and they thought no one was looking. But White Bulger was nothing but an asshole legbreaker with connections–he was no towering intellect or brave outlaw.

    On the flip side I’m kind of sickened by the discussion over at DailyKos which wobbles between what I’d call a fearful anarchist couch potato quaterbacking (the entire thing was an overreaction! I can’t believe they used face recognition software and the powers of the police state to catch these guys!) to the reverse (“The entire thing was an overreaction, they should have used magic face recognition softwear and ninja “discretion” and caught these guys using their mind power and the massive FBI book kept on everyone on the planet.”)

    Everyone went back to work right away after the bombing and we went back to normal after the “sheltering in place” day, too. All this aftermarketing is just silly and has nothing to do with the way actual Bostonians feel and think anymore than wearing green on st patrick’s day means you are irish. In reality most people continue to do what they need to do because they lack imagination or feel distanced in some way from the blasts/mayhem. Like people everywhere they will keep going not as an act of will but as a natural part of the forgetting that people have to do all the time to get up in the morning.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Comrade Mary: ALLEZ LES HABS!!

    (This is a frog thread after all.)

    I got a loaf of ciabatta at the store. Coming up with a couple of thoughts as to how I want to dismember it.

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    @Comrade Mary: I admire R.A. Dickey’s work to end sex trafficking in India. No particular love for the Jays, though.

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    ruemara says:

    That is one adorable froggy. I’m on hour 3 of trying to decipher the instructions on SpinRite and create a bootable usb drive and/or a bootable CD. Ready to smash things.

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    Baud says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    LOL. I’m speechless.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @moderateindy: here in the Hudson River valley, my news channel anchor stated that it was weird how much Watertown looked like so many places around the country, and reminded us that terrorists had always wanted to strike places like that. So from her perspective, I guess Boston is now the heartland. You don’t live in igloos or thatched huts, but houses just like we do in the greater hudson valley region.

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    OzoneR says:

    No one going to comment on Maureen Dowd’s stupidity today?

    I know, it’s like commenting on the sun rising.

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    Kiril says:

    Maybe you smell like bugs.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @moderateindy: You know, I disagree. Sure, we freaked out. But I think Bostonians wanted to show that they wouldn’t be cowed and that they wouldn’t turn on each other. There has been a great show of love and solidarity.

    Is this an unusual reaction? No. But I don’t think anyone in Boston has forgotten the way certain people in the US (NOT New Yorkers) reacted to 9/11 and I know that myself and a lot of my friends and family, obviously can’t speak for everyone but let’s just say 10’s of 1000’s of us hit the streets opposing the entry into Iraq, used social media to drive a narrative about a city that is resolute, welcoming to the world, rational in its response to terrorism and unwilling to be moved. Bostonians walked the route of the marathon in direct rebuke to those who would intimidate them. They put on an interfaith service the next day to show that a few extremists do not speak for the majority nor will they be allowed to be.

    The media just followed what had exploded on facebook and twitter and tshirt printing sites. They’re kinda lazy that way.

    There was a “this guy has to be crazy to f*ck with this city” letter posted on a blog that went absolutely viral. It was being shared by Boston residents.

    Maybe we’re just normal. But that was us talking. What happens from here on out is up to the Feds and doesn’t really reflect us. I dread what will happen … but there’s not much any of us can do.

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    Baud says:


    There were several comments in prior threads. No front page posts.

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    quannlace says:

    Are they still trapping pythons down in Florida?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @OzoneR: I think it was in an open thread. But seriously, if she had the leader she wanted, do you think that Maureen wouldn’t be mysteriously disappeared as an example to the rest of the msm?

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Suffern ACE: What about the claims that the OK City bombing was a bungled FBI sting? I don’t know what to believe.

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    quannlace says:

    posting an interview Ted Gunderson

    Gunderson? The guy from ‘Fargo?’

    The expression on that froggy’s face is definitely, ‘Me like you, Lady. Me like you lots!’

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    greenergood says:

    Have read no other posts here cause I’m on the run, but saw a lovely little frog up at the loch today, about two inches long, and a half-inch under the water and then a tiny mayfly came along and GLOOP! the gummy tongue emerged from the water and that was one fly down! Happy Spring!

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    scav says:

    @Suffern ACE: Watertown again, huh, the ultimate preferred target of terrorists? Funny how they went for Downtown first then when the ideal was so close. And NYC and OKC (and London, Madrid, . . . ) before that. Ah, the tree-lined heartland suburbs. They must call them anchors because they’re dense enough to sink.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Several of us rent our garments over that one on a morning thread (which actually started in the middle of the night). After David Brooks’s disgusting column the other day that dismissed gun control on the way to dismissing immigration, I really don’t know why I am sending that company money. For the crossword puzzles, I guess.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @aimai: I thought the “we’re so tough we’re all Southie” was hysterically bathetic during the last week.

    I agree. If anybody in my FB feed (I was glued to it last week) had said as much I would have ripped them a new one. A lot of my friends are from West Roxbury and almost nobody from Westie would identify themselves with Southie, lol! But sometimes morons from the ‘burbs think it sounds cool.

    Southie was by turns the victim of corruption at the highest levels and the epitome cowardly bullies themselves who attacked working people in public housing for being of the wrong ethnicity and put up sniggering racist displays in their shitty bars.

    They also had a pretty good political machine going on there (though if anyone thinks that was the only precinct involved they’re fucking delusional): I don’t know if there were ever election irregularities but I do know these idiots used to vote in lockstep for crooks that basically only promised them to talk with their accent and hate all the same people they hate. FUCK those guys.

    Fuck Stephen Lynch, also, too. I hope he loses by 10 points, fucking liar.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @scav: Lol, Watertown. I’m surprised nobody’s fingered Turkish chauvinists out to silence the remaining witnesses to the Armenian holocaust.

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    Ben Franklin says:

    Why do Republicans hate America?

    The FBI was criticised on Sunday for failing to follow up on Tsarnaev after its contacts in 2011. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican from South Carolina, told CNN’s State of the Nation: “The ball was dropped in one of two ways. The FBI missed a lot of things.”

    Republican Peter King, chairman of the House subcommittee on counterterrorism, was also critical. “This is the firth case I’m aware of where the FBI has failed to stop someone,” he told Fox News Sunday, citing the cases of al-Qaida recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki, Little Rock shooter Carlos Bledsoe, the accused Fort Hood killer Nidal Malik and alleged American-Pakistani terrorist David Coleman Headley.

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    lojasmo says:

    I’d bitch about Ben Franklin, but I believe he’s Trematoda.

    Anybody heard from Stuck?

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    Baud says:


    Stuck seems to have vanished. Hopefully, it’s temporary.

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    Yutsano says:

    @gogol’s wife: I refused to get out of the boat. I still do. I don’t get paid enough to read her idiocy.

    @lojasmo: Not a peep. I’m approaching concerned level.

    PS: enjoy the beanless cassoulet. :: shudder ::

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    lojasmo says:


    Ben Franklin was lauding her praises a thread or two ago.

    FYWP edit fail. Mrs. Lojasmo is making a primal cassoulet with rutabegas instead of beans.

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    lojasmo says:


    Last post on his blog is very old.

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    raven says:

    @lojasmo: So’s the conversation!

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    entrap people

    Remind me again, how many defendants have actually succeeded in mounting an entrapment defense?

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    Schlemizel says:

    All the comments about “Boston’s response” reminded me of a comment from the weeks over coverage that DIDN’T make me want to punch the radio into silence

    On NPR some clown reporter said “yeah, they picked the wrong town to try this in” To which the head gas bag said “But really, no town would say they were the right town, this is the reaction any city would have”

    And then they returned to their originally scheduled stupidity.

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    Schlemizel says:

    Interesting I only hit submit once but it double posted. Let me edit one so I thought to give it a shot

    They are predicting snow tonight and again on Wed. Lets see how tough all those East Coasters really are – how many could withstand the crap spring MN is getting? Boston strong my aunt fanny B-{D

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    raven says:

    @Schlemizel: Yea but that’s the standard line in any kind of disaster. We are “whatever” and we don’t fuck around. People need to say and hear that when the shit comes down.

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    burnspbesq says:

    My copy of the new Brad Paisley record showed up on Friday.

    Politics aside, “Accidental Racist” is one of the worst songs of his career. Borderline unlistenable. The whole record is a major disappointment.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Winsome little tree frog.

    I really like the photo.

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    askew says:


    Please tell me you aren’t talking about MN and more snow. I am going to lose my mind if we get more snow here. Seriously, this is nuts.

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    Yutsano says:

    It might just be me, but I think the blog is borking.

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    Schlemizel says:


    Agreed, I just gave the one guy credit for calling the other guy out on it

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    Schlemizel says:


    sadly, yes, that is the current prediction. We are forming a neighborhood watch for woolly mammoths.

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    scav says:

    @Schlemizel: Sorry about the Mammoths, but there are a few tree-lined very soggy suburbs and towns downstream that appeciate the slower introduction of liquid into the watershed. Would airlifts of BBQ sauce atone in part?

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    Schlemizel says:

    Yeah, I assume this will be decidedly unhelpful to communities along the Mississippi. snow melting slowly would be better than getting all this as rain but still not much help

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    gogol's wife says:


    come on, now, Minnesota Strong!

    Just kidding, I’d be in total despair if we were expecting any more snow.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Schlemizel: It reminds me of how all politicians, from whatever ideological position, say things like how the great thing about America is that we come together in a crisis, etc. Why is that particularly American? Do people in Paraguay or Laos or Burkina Faso just say, “Eh, fuck it, not my problem”? Is there any nation on earth where people in a crisis just start ripping each other up? I mean, unless that _is_ the crisis?

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    Baud says:


    “Boston’s strength is within the standard deviation” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.

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    bemused says:


    It’s been snowing here in northern MN for a couple of hours. I beginning to think summer is cancelled this year.

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    tybee says:


    eau de bug

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    Schlemizel says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    I am beginning to see why alcoholism is a problem in Scandinavia. I assume one day it will be 85 and spring will be gone without ever arriving.

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    Schlemizel says:

    Yeah, thats one of those cliches that pops out every time. I tend to give people a pass but the endless repetition this week has gotten on my nerves. Not as bad as 9/11 but its getting up there

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    askew says:


    Ugh, that’s horrible. It’s just raining down here in the southwest suburbs. This crappy weather is sapping my will to do anything but lie on the couch and eat.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Two celebrity DUI arrests this weekend. Al Michaels arrested in CA, and now Reese Witherspoon arrested for being a pain in the ass when her husband was pulled over for a DUI in Georgia. Complete with alleged “Do you know who I am?”

    Do you think there were more local gendarmes out this weekend, in event of “Terror, terror” and our celebrity-industrial complex types got swept up in the increased vigilance?

    Were any Kardashians nabbed?

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    peggy says:

    Those little lizards are geckos. In my mom’s ramshackle south Florida house, inside one has to watch one’s step to avoid them. They do eat bugs.

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    Brother Machine Gun of Desirable Mindfulness (fka AWS) says:

    @Baud: that may not have a ring to it, but closer to the truth.

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    dexwood says:

    @Elizabelle: I think a Kardashian was nabbed in the photo heading this post.

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    maryQ says:

    Does anyone know why Crispy M&M’s were discontinued in the US? My daughter just broght some home from Germany and they as like the best things ever. What is wrong wiht us?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @burnspbesq: ok, entrapment is not the same as grooming. Now will you admit that when federal and other law enforcement grooms and convicts fruit sellers, ows “anarchists”, or nutty guys with plans to attack broadway with samurai swords, that it gives off the impression that the FBI is developing its own danger, such that the conspiracy types can point to those instances to spin their theories that the FBI is putting on a show?

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    raven says:

    Great special ops belgian malinois dog piece on 60 minutes.

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    Here in South Florida we know that the frogs are in heat: they’ve been sending out their mating calls along the waterways for a month now. They usually do it very early in the morning — like around 3 a.m.

    Then a little later you can see the glow of the tiny little cigarettes as they lean back and croak, “Honey, of course I’ll respect you.”

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    Tonal Crow says:

    So, where did the Tsarnaev brothers get their guns, ammo, and explosives? Maybe through the gun-show or private-sale loopholes? Ya think?

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    Ben Franklin says:

    @Tonal Crow:

    Nice drop-kick.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Tonal Crow: let’s wait to find out. This little shit needs to wake up and start writing. Sadly, I think the brother who knows for sure is the one who was either shot, blown up, or driven over by his brother, depending on who you ask and what day of the week it is.

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    MattF says:

    I feel for you. This:

    was a major trauma in my childhood. Whoever imagined that a deep-voiced, laughing frog is an appropriate character for a children’s TV show, I just can’t say.

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    raven says:

    WTF with Leslie Stahl’s face, jesus.

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    Ben Franklin says:



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    lojasmo says:

    Yo. Hows about a Minnesota meetup?

    Askew, Bemused, Gbear. Who else is from the land of lakes?

    ETA Gogol’s wife.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    You missed “driven over by the cops” which has been trending around the intertubes today

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    Schlemizel says:


    Me! Jmike/JMN also.
    I had suggested it about a year ago but nobody responded. Be a good excuse to go out & have a beer

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    NotMax says:


    Lived there for 2 years back in the day.

    Lovely people, not so lovely weather.

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    Roxy says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    He looks like he’s about to start singing a song about rainbows.

    Kermit the Frog

    Why are there so many
    Songs about rainbows
    And what’s on the other side
    Rainbow’s are visions
    They’re only illusions
    And rainbows have nothing to hide
    So we’ve been told and some chose to
    Believe it
    But I know they’re wrong wait and see

    Someday we’ll find it
    The Rainbow Connection
    The lovers, the dreamers and me

    Who said that every wish
    Would be heard and answered
    When wished on the morning star
    Somebody thought of that
    And someone believed it
    And look what it’s done so far
    What’s so amazing
    That keeps us star gazing
    What so we think we might see

    Someday we’ll find it
    That Rainbow Connection
    The lovers the dreamers and me

    Have you been half asleep
    And have you heard voices
    I’ve heard them calling my name
    Are these the sweet sounds that called
    The young sailors
    I think they’re one and the same
    I’ve heard it too many times to ignore it
    There’s something that I’m supposed to be

    Someday we’ll find it
    The Rainbow Connection
    The lovers, the dreamers and me

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    peggy says:

    Just to repeat, Boston “Everyone went back to work right away after the bombing and we went back to normal after the “sheltering in place” day, too.”

    Some individuals were brave. The ones who ran towards the explosions to succor the wounded. A shout out to Carlos Arredondo, a local peace activist who beat out flames with his hands and made a tourniquet.

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    Roxy says:

    @Splitting Image:

    In other news, I recently bought the Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVD set and have just finished watching the first season. I lost a fair number of geek points in my circle of friends for never having seen the show before.

    I watched all seven years of BTVS when it was on television. It is one of my favorite shows of all time. My sister got the DVD collection. My niece had heard about the show so she borrowed the collection and her and her college friends became hooked on the series. They are now watching the Angel series. I love that another generation is enjoying these two shows.

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    Schlemizel says:


    When I was a kid I had a rainbow connection but he ended up doing 7-10 for distribution.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Schlemizel: it could be all four. He tries to surrender, but the cops shoot him in cold blood while his brother, a well trained secret agent, runs him over so that he won’t sing like a canary, setting off his explosive device while the cops on the next block where he lands run him over again. All plausible facts are now explained.

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    Roxy says:


    When I was a kid I had a rainbow connection but he ended up doing 7-10 for distribution.

    LOL I bet you saw more than rainbows with that connection.

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    S. Holland says:

    @Baud: Miss the general…..asked about him a few weeks ago, and Annie sent me a link to his site, but nothing….hoping he’s just taking a breather!

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    Redshirt says:

    @Splitting Image: If there’s an Apocalypse, beep me.

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    andy says:

    The Crow Wing Co-op had some nice asparagus, and now that we have a nice rainstorm washing thursday’s snowstorm away I made a pilaf with some farro.

    It feels good having a for-earnest rainstorm. People were really down, especially since that last (I hope) snowstorm dumped eight inches here in town. The thing is, a couple degrees the other direction and every snowstorm we’ve had since march would have been rain instead (and has been in years past).

    I guess we’re kind of on a knife edge in this part of Minnesota- the transition from winter to spring can seemingly instantaneous. The big snowbanks will still be here this time next week, but I bet the grass will start greening up too…

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    gogol's wife says:


    Sorry, I’m in Connecticut. I was just commiserating! I do love Minneapolis, though.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    I got some Meyer lemons on sale. Any suggestions on what I can do with them?

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    MikeJ says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Ever make preserved lemons? It’s really good with Meyer lemons too. Scrub ’em, slice ’em open, put them in a sterile jar, cover with salt. Seal it up, wait a month. That what I recall anyway. Google up a recipie before doing it.

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    I love frogs. Always have. That is all.

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    JPL says:

    @S. Holland: Although I didn’t bookmark his site, I left a message. What bothered me is that you could link to his photo page and there were no Charlie updates. He might have been a curmudgeon but he was our curmudgeon. Gosh I hope he comes back.

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    CaseyL says:


    They are now watching the Angel series. I love that another generation is enjoying these two shows.

    Are you reading the graphic novels that continue the Buffy saga? They’re… pretty wild. BtVS without budget constraints or SFX limits.

    Frog story: I lived in Miami Beach during my teens. Partied pretty hard back then, and once came home at dawn. The sidewalk was covered in tiny frogs. It was adorable, and a little spooky. I remember thinking “Am I still high, or what?,” and walking ever so carefully because it would have broken my heart to step on any of them.

    ETA: Miami Beach is (or at least was, back then) wall to wall wildlife. Frogs, lizards, land crabs… just amazing.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Suffern ACE: Sounds like the hapless OJ Simpson character in “Naked Gun”.

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    So the local scandal in Tennessee is that our Republican governor’s family business has just been raided by the FBI and a big honking fraud case is underway. Turns out messing with Russian mafia guys and truckers wasn’t such a smart idea.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    Orange Kitteh Update
    My kitteh Inji who was in a lot of pain due to an obstruction in her large intestine, and was not eating is doing much better
    after a trip to the vet on Friday. Where in he removed the obstruction, which was a nasty piece of poop all mixed her fur from the shedding season which was blocking her large intestine.
    She is eating well and seems to be OK.
    ETA: Sorry if TMI.

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    scav says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: and if you do something that doen’t need the skins, Lemoncello (multiple recipes out there). MN sounds like it needs some, so others may move in with you.

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    aimai says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: They make a nice sorbet, a nice lemon curd, and if you google lamb with figs on epicurious they make a marvellous lamb dish.

    Lamb with Figs

    1 1/2 cups plain whole-milk yogurt
    3 tablespoons chopped fresh mint

    1/2 cup warm water
    1/4 teaspoon saffron threads, crumbled

    1 2 1/2- to 3-pound boneless lamb shoulder, trimmed, cut into 1- to 1 1/2-inch cubes
    2 tablespoons (or more) olive oil
    2 onions (about 1 pound), thinly sliced
    1 small lemon (preferably Meyer), ends trimmed, quartered lengthwise, thinly sliced crosswise
    4 garlic cloves, minced
    1 rounded teaspoon minced peeled fresh ginger
    1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper
    1 14 1/2-ounce can diced tomatoes in juice
    1 cup dried figs, stems trimmed, quartered lengthwise (about 4 ounces)
    2 1/2 cups (or more) low-salt chicken broth

    Crispy Noodle Cake
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    Set strainer lined with double layer of cheesecloth over medium bowl. Place yogurt in strainer; cover and chill 3 to 5 hours to drain. Transfer yogurt to small bowl. Stir in mint; season with salt and pepper. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Chill.)
    Place 1/2 cup warm water and saffron in small bowl; let stand at least 20 minutes to infuse.
    Sprinkle lamb with salt and pepper. Heat 2 tablespoons oil in heavy large pot over medium-high heat. Working in batches, cook lamb until brown on all sides, adding more oil as needed, about 5 minutes per batch. Transfer lamb to large bowl. Pour all but 1 tablespoon fat from pot (or add 1 tablespoon oil if dry); heat pot over medium heat. Add onions; sprinkle with salt and pepper. Sauté until beginning to brown, about 5 minutes. Add lemon, garlic, ginger, cinnamon, and cayenne. Stir 1 minute. Add saffron mixture; stir, scraping up browned bits. Add tomatoes with juice, figs, and lamb with any juices to pot. Stir to coat. Add 2 1/2 cups broth.
    Bring stew to boil. Reduce heat to medium-low, then cover with lid slightly ajar and simmer until meat is tender, stirring occasionally and adding more broth by 1/4 cupfuls as needed if dry, about 1 1/2 hours. Season to taste with salt and pepper. (Can be made 2 days ahead. Cool slightly. Refrigerate uncovered until cold, then cover and chill.)
    Bring stew to simmer, thinning with more chicken broth if necessary. Divide stew among 6 plates; top each serving with dollop of minted yogurt. Place wedge of Crispy Noodle Cake alongside each and serve.
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    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Glad your baby is doing better. I live in fear of that happening, we have several long-hairs. Our Maine Coon is constantly yakking up hair balls, twice a week sometimes. Guess I should be glad, it’s better than the alternative.

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    Poopyman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Excellent news! Glad to hear everything came out alright – even if not by the usual route.

    Betty, this post reminds me of a particularly bad horror movie I remember seeing with the first love of my life, back in high school. I should find a copy just to see if it’s as bad as I remember. And it was set in Florida, too!

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    Nutella says:


    the media’s constant background theme to push a danger/panic agenda

    Trying to make everyone as terrified as possible is what the MSM does. I think there’s a noun to describe that…

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    scav says:

    Leading up to Spanish-American war. 1898.

    The press, in particular, urged invasion in emotional language, with a blend of slanted reporting and blatant disregard of inconvenient facts that came to be known as “yellow journalism.” Soon the clergy joined lawmakers and journalists in advocating war in the name of freedom and democracy. Boys who had spent their youths listening to their fathers’ tales of Civil War bravery leaped at the chance to earn their own medals. Across the nation, calls for violent action, steeped in arrogance and tinged with racism, outnumbered calls for moderation — which makes that Madison editorial remarkable.

    “We need to check, not inflame, the war spirit among our citizens,” the brave Wisconsin editor began. “With every small boy crazed with eagerness (forgetting the real issue — a noble effort to save Cuba), with a desire to grab a Spaniard by the throat; with the hell-hounds of a mercenary press shrieking for a war of revenge, it is inconceivable to us how the Christian pulpit can add fuel to the flames by appealing to the passions of men.”

    eta Cite here
    ran across this yesterday.

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    Morzer says:

    @Southern Beale:

    I bet the Browns wish they’d never heard the name of Haslam.

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    Heh. My dad collected old magazines and newspapers. I have a 1911 edition of Collier’s that has a famous page one story about yellow journalism, a piece of criticism known as The Muckraker’s Lament by William Henry Irwin. I tried to scan the damn thing to preserve it but it’s too big, Collier’s back then was huge.

    Now that I think about it, it’s probably worth something ..

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    Schlemizel says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Poor little guy – glad to hear he is better.

    I am waaaaaaay too fond of that stuff. If it were cheap I am afraid I would be loaded all the time.


    Damn that sounds so good! I used to love lamb, now its lamb burgers

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    Schlemizel says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Poor little guy – glad to hear he is better.

    I am waaaaaaay too fond of that stuff. If it were cheap I am afraid I would be loaded all the time.


    Damn that sounds so good! I used to love lamb, now its lamb burgers

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    JAFD says:

    @Rich (In Name Only) in Reno:

    Mine ears have heard the croaking of the Giant Barded Frogs
    They are swimming through the marshes, they are leaping o’er the bogs
    They are eagerly devouring people, vampire bats, and dogs
    As they go hopping on.

    The following six verses (somewhat less PC) can probably be found on line.

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    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    zOMG that frog is SO CUTE

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    Yutsano says:

    @lojasmo: Ahem. WIFEY?? And if she gives you any anti-social shit, I’ll talk to her. She’d been grumbling for a meet-up anyway.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @Linkmeister: I think Froggy courtin” is much older than Dylan.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @moderateindy: Yer right,
    it wasn’t exactly Stalingrad.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @scav: Too few people today appreciate that John McCain was a POW during the Spanish-American War.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Orange Kitteh Update

    Excellent news!

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    burnspbesq says:


    I bet the Browns wish they’d never heard the name of Haslam.

    The Browns have much bigger problems than an owner who is a person of interest.

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    salsify says:

    youza that is a good frog, I used to live on a farm-let that had on the property vibrant eyed bullfrogs in a small pond- they issued the deep bull frog garrrruuumph through the night. Marvelous sound

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    Love that sound. I collected some tadpoles from a friend’s pond and transported them to my koi pond a couple years ago but sadly I think the koi got ’em. Would love to hear that sound at night. Husband is horrified.

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    Morzer says:


    Not from what I’ve seen of the case against Haslam. If he goes down, which seems pretty likely since company executives are apparently turning on him to save themselves, it’s hard to see the NFL doing anything but forcing a very hasty sale that might make the next couple of years distinctly awkward for all concerned.

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    Betty, if those cute assed frogs are jumping you, you must be doing something right. Animals of all stripes know from right and if the amphibians are on your side, take comfort in that fact. As a cat whisperer and one around which, dogs, horses and mules congregate, I find myself jealous that you have managed to seduce the lower orders.

    You may very well be an panimal “whisperer”. Embrace the possibility.


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    Redshirt says:

    Awesome photo Betty. Maybe you should give Cole some pointers?

    Anyways, and more importantly, this photo is “MEME READY”. Get this shit viral!

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    moderateindy says:

    @Another Halocene Human:
    My post wasn’t really about how the people of Boston reacted, but about how the media was portraying it. I think Bostonians reacted exactly the way any town would react. I didn’t see anything extra ordinary about it, and thought the media coverage, at least what I had seen was kind of ludicrous. I just thought it was along the lines of a narrative they seem to push, which is blowing every possible danger way out of proportion. As a rule they peddle fear, and the ancillary story lines that fit that narrative. Which in this case was great courage, or heroism in the face of some enormous threat.

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    lojasmo says:


    I suggest Sawatdee St. Paul. Or The Bulldog. Both are set up for groups. Sawatdee is more sparsly attended.

    More importantly, they both serve Surly Furious.

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    lojasmo says:

    @S. Holland:

    I sent a message to Anne asking her to email him.

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