Explosion at the Marathon

Apparently something blew up in Boston near the finish line. Details right now are sketchy.

This is kind of freaking me out, because not five minutes ago I was looking at the front page of the NYTimes, and I saw a blurb that said “BLASTS ACROSS IRAQ KILL AT LEAST 37” and my first thought was “thank goodness we don’t have that happening every day here in the states.”






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    GregB says:

    I’m running the local Boston news and will keep you updated here.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    From what I understand at this point, there were two explosions, in a crowd.

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    cleek says:

    seems like strange timing, if it was intentional – long after the leaders?

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    GregB says:

    Oh my. New tape of the moment of the explosion. Fuck.

    Explosions happened on Boylston St. near the grand stands.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    For once, Buzzfeed seems to have more details than the bigs:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/r.....inish-line

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    aimai says:

    This is very much freaking me out because I have a friend running in the Boston Marathon today and my child transits through copley square, the area of the blast, every day. She didn’t go into school today because of the marathon and the holiday otherwise she’d be down there. I can’t get any information on what is going on and I’m not actually worried that we are going to descend into anarchy and bombs all the time but this is bad enough if the pictures are any indication. I’ve already seen a “blame Obama” post under the first twitter shit because the pix were all over Hot Air and Fox.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @cleek: Sox crowd getting out in same area…. big crowd despite time.

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    4tehlulz says:

    One explosion, then another 15 sec later.

    If this is not a bombing, I would be very surprised.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Domestic, right-wingers. It’s tax day.

    Expect massive attempts to misdirect to any other explanation.

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    scav says:

    @cleek: You going for a crowd? Might be more later as the middle of the pack come in and meet their families. For camera impact you might go for the live first across the line timing. if intentional, this one was going for blood it would seem.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I’m wondering what the possibility is of it being infrastructure fail rather than terrorism. My mind immediately went to the San Bruno pipeline explosion that happened in Northern California a few years ago.

    ETA: That Buzzfeed link is saying it may have been a suspicious package under the stands so, crap, looks like terrorism. Are we sure Eric Rudolph is still in prison?

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    Violet says:

    That’s awful. I hope any injuries were minor. Why’s the marathon being run on a Monday? Is that the usual day?

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    GregB says:

    A Boston reporter who said he was roughly 25 feet away saw the explosion and said it was not a manhole cover explosion.

    Reporting that he witnessed what was likely a number of dead.

    He estimated 15 to 20 people seriously injured at one explosion site.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    My first thought too, but it’s too early to be as certain as the first commenter at wbz.com, who insists it’s Muslims.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Oh shit, those Buzzfeed pics are not good. Blood everywhere.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Violet:

    It’s Patriots’ Day in Boston, traditionally the day of the Boston Marathon.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Domestic, right-wingers.

    On Tax Day (4/15); if not a transformer blowing, you are likely right.

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    The Good Dr. Levenson checked in on teh twitters FYI.

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    cleek says:

    @scav:

    You going for a crowd?

    bombers want attention. hitting the pros would get more attention than hitting the amateurs.

    or, i dunno. maybe not. i find it hard to think like a cowardly mass murderer.

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    @The Moar You Know:

    Domestic, right-wingers.

    Is it irresponsible to speculate? Hell yes, it is. It’s at least as likely to be some apolitical whackaloon, or somebody like the Unibomber who’s so far out on the fringe that it doesn’t make sense to describe their politics in terms of typical left/right politics. Let’s at least wait until there are some facts before trying to lay the blame.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Violet: It’s a state holiday, and the traditional day for the marathon.

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    Seebach says:

    Oh god, it’s tax day, isn’t it?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    A bomb blowing up in Boston on tax day. I’m pretty sure it ain’t gonna be an Islamist.

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    Calming Influence says:

    This is one of the most videoed events on earth; there’s got to be images of someone planting the bombs, right?

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    The Red Pen says:

    Predicted Free Republic response: It’s a false flag operation so that Obama has a reason to seize our guns.

    It’s funny until one of them shoots a cop.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Have two friends running, but I know one is still on the course (from a family member). Not sure about the other one – she’s more likely to be near the finish as she’s a much stronger runner, but I also expected to see a tweet that she finished, so my guess is she’s still running as well.

    Damn, a lot of blood in that first buzzfeed photo. Squeamish people might want to avoid that link.

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    shortstop says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Domestic, right-wingers. It’s tax day.

    In Boston. Right after a Kenyan won the women’s.

    ETA: On “Patriots Day.” Because killing and maiming dozens of human beings to protest taxation with representation is exactly like throwing someone’s property into the harbor to protest taxation without representation.

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    Violet says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Ah, I didn’t know that. Thanks. Don’t pay a lot of attention to the Boston marathon. Our local marathon is always on a Sunday and I figured weekends were the normal days.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    We have a lot of healthy BJers who participate or watch these types of events. Hope everyone and their families are okay. The first Buzzfeed pic is brutal when you realize what’s on the ground.

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    cleek says:

    Alana Horowitz ‏@achorowitz 13m
    RT @katz Boston scanner: “EMS is reporting another device” in front of Mandarin Hotel

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @The Red Pen:

    Of course it’s an Obama false flag operation. Just like Sandy Hook.

    Hell, if someone takes a shot at Obama or any member of his family, the Freeper scum will say THAT is a false flag operation.

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    shortstop says:

    @Calming Influence: They were probably planted long before the marathon started.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Well, let’s not jump to conclusions here. There’s a lot of stuff going on at an event like this. Could have been an infrastructure failure or an accident related to the race.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @shortstop:

    Because killing and maiming dozens of human beings to protest taxation with representation is exactly like throwing someone’s a large crown sanctioned monopoly corporation’s property into the harbor to protest taxation without representation.

    Just a slight adjustment

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    Tax Day and Boston, coincidence? I think not. We will soon find out. Hopefully just an accident as some others have speculated.

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    95% of my lab was working the marathon today… hopefully not near the finish line.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Is it irresponsible to speculate?

    @Roger Moore: Boston, tax day, bombs. I feel very comfortable is speculating who the likely suspects are, and the last person on that list is going to be “apolitical wackaloon”.

    Here’s your Tea Party, America, new and improved!

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    Mike E says:

    A reporter on ESPN OTL who was in lockdown at a nearby hotel posited that the bombs were hidden in trashcans at the finish line.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    For some odd reason, the “false flag” always has a snake on it.

    Am hopeful there aren’t deaths, only injuries, but is does sound quite serious.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @👽 Martin: Forget it Martin– it’s BJ Town….

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    David Koch says:

    The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19

    just say’n

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Christ!

    The first picture on Buzzfeed looks real, real bad.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @👽 Martin:

    No, no, no! Jump to conclusions, in haste, repent at leisure, if ever at all!

    OK, can I haz job at Faux Noise now?

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    The Dangerman says:

    It’s not only Tax Day but also Jackie Robinson Day (plus, 42 is out now); I hope all MLB does an extra thorough sweep of the grounds today.

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    Shinobi says:

    Reports on twitter are that they are sweeping the streets. And that at least one hotel has been evacuated.

    TPM has a source indicating that the blasts started above ground, possibly from inside a building.

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    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Hell, if someone takes a shot at kills Obama or any member of his family, the Freeper scum will say THAT is a false flag operation.

    FTFY.

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    minutemaid says:

    Oh for fucks sakes. All I’ve read so far is that someone blew up a garbage can and you morons are already spunking on the ceiling over what right wingers are going to say.

    Not sure what all happened and I hope it’s not serious and nobody was hurt but if it shuts up you firebaggers for a couple days over your idiotic CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED CPI CHAINED bullshit then maybe it will be a blessing.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @David Koch:

    April 19th is also the day the Koresh Compound burned in Waco.

    Which is why that day was chosen for the OKC bombing.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @David Koch:

    Which was also the anniversary of storming the Branch Dividian compound.

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    David Koch says:

    This wouldn’t have happened if we had prayer in school.

    also too, the only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @shortstop: You may be right, but I really hope your wrong. This is seriously fucked up.

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    GregB says:

    Video shows the first bomb going off on the sidewalk area lust before the finish line and 10 seconds later a block or more up the street the second explosion.

    The amount of media will likely offer some good video evidence.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @minutemaid:

    Really? Really?

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    Calouste says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Not to mention that bombing large public events (Atlanta Olympic bombing, the failed attempts at the MLK Day parade in Spokane) seem to be somewhat of a white supremacist specialty.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Seebach:

    Oh god, it’s tax day, isn’t it?

    I somehow doubt that is a coincidence at this point.

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    Liquid says:

    Bombs are good for ratings!

    Quick! let’s wager on who gets a book deal out of this!!

    I do belive my cynicism is consuming me.

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    The run tracker is up, so if you are looking for someone specific who was running, try here: http://www.baa.org/individual.html

    From the video, it looks like the explosions at about 4:09 (gun time) into the race. Anyone who hadn’t finished by then won’t be on the tracker because they halted the race and diverted everyone. It doesn’t mean they’re not OK.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Obama implicated in plot to assassinate Obama!

    Film at 11!

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    jrg says:

    The Jennifer Rubins on this thread need to chill the fuck out.

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    @David Koch:

    also too, the only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.

    No, no. The way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is Jack Bauer using torture enhanced interrogation techniques. I know because all the conservatives say so.

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    Alex S. says:

    the only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.

    As a defender of the 2nd amendment, I oppose bomb control.

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    Raven says:

    @minutemaid: If you had a fucking clue you’d know this is more than a “garbage can” Stupid motherfucker.

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    Redshirt says:

    Best wishes to all involved. Terrible news.

    I hope this is an accident, but it’s not looking like that will be the case.

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    shortstop says:

    @jrg: What a weird thing to say.

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    David Koch says:

    I blame gay marriage.

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    Calming Influence says:

    Were both bombs at the same location? All the images so far look like the same scene.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @David Koch:

    also too, the only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.

    This message brought to you by the National Bomb-throwers Association, a wholly owned subsidiary of the National Bomb Manufacturers Association.

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    Publius39 says:

    @Roger Moore: Or you could fire a gun next to the head of an innocent person who has no connection to the alleged plot, while they’re in custody. I heard that worked well for Allen West.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I’m seeing a lot of shrapnel type injuries; not sure that eliminates equipment malfunction, however.

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    lol chikinburd says:

    @minutemaid: Alex Jones has already tweeted with the “#falseflag” tag. Got it in with lightning speed.

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    If only there were some sort of downside to the breathless speculation projection/transference that the morons are spewing.

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    Raven says:

    Tell the guy on CNN who’s father was taken away in an ambulance it’s not big deal.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @shortstop: Yeah, I don’t get it either.

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    Liquid says:

    Brilliant! The bombs were planted by Obama (personally) to distract from Chained CPI. Enpeech!!1

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jrg:

    The Likud has already formed a Partei line on this?

    Those guys are fast!

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    Raven says:

    @Calming Influence: Looks like within a block.

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    jrg says:

    @shortstop: I was referring to her initial pronouncement that the Norway shooter/bomber was a Muslim.

    Not saying it wasn’t a ‘winger, but let’s find out more before declaring it.

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    @Calouste:

    Not to mention that bombing large public events (Atlanta Olympic bombing, the failed attempts at the MLK Day parade in Spokane) seem to be somewhat of a white supremacist specialty.

    Except for the failed Millennium Bombing Plot, which was by actual AQ associated terrorists.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @cleek:

    “EMS is reporting another device” in front of Mandarin Hotel

    Since it’s been about 20 years since I was in Boston, anyone have an idea how far from the first explosions that would be?

    ETA: For everyone speculating, I think the last time we tried that, it turned out to be something entirely different, like Weiner’s weiner.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    The Twitter machine is saying the 26th mile, where the bombs exploded, was dedicated to the Newtown families.

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    GregB says:

    @Calming Influence:

    Same side of the road, on the sidewalk. A block to a few blocks apart on the same street.

    And yes fuck Alex Jones and Minute Maid. There are a quite a few seriously injured people.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jrg:

    As I noted earlier, some assclown commenting on the WBZ site has already identified the bombers as Muslims. On the basis of arglebargle or some other totally rational and scientific basis.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @scav: Thanks for the link.

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    Mary G says:

    Horrifying. I pray that if it was bombs, that whoever was responsible is caught quickly and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I am against the death penalty, but in some cases not too much against it, see Timothy McVeigh.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    The Twitter machine is saying the 26th mile, where the bombs exploded, was dedicated to the Newtown families.

    If only everyone was strapped, this would have never happened.

    /winger

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    Oh, jeeze. Circumstances are piling up, aren’t they?

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    Raven says:

    ESPN had cameras right there and is showing a number of angles.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Well, there’s an unusual concentration of medical personnel, and an unusual concentration of hospitals, right nearby, so it’s a very thougtful mass-casualty event, I must say.

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    Liquid says:

    “Boston Bomb Squad now on the scene.” Could’ve used them a few hours ago.

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    Mike E says:

    Decent coverage on ESPN. Marathon time was captured by a video feed at the finish = 4:09:44. A considerable blast at a building behind a crowd of spectators, this is awful.

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    Raven says:

    I’m looking at a still shot and it was a lot bigger than Centennial Park. This is one that is going to get way worse as the info comes in.

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    Mike E says:

    @Liquid: Searching for “secondary devices.”

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    Lit3Bolt says:

    I blame fat, lazy terrorists.

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    Raven says:

    @Mike E: Uh, yea.

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    Mike E says:

    @Raven: I report, you decide.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    A possible bombing at a public sports event is not a time for snark, so I ask that certain of us save it for another occasion.

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    Liquid says:

    So let me guess – Saddam was behind this bombing, right?

    @Amir Khalid — you might want to keep a low profile. I’m sure DHS will be looking your way.

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    Trollhattan says:

    BBC live link, with aggregated coverage.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22160978

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    aimai says:

    Jeezus christ I see that my friend finished at 3:52. I tried calling her mother at home. This whole thing is just sickening.

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    gwangung says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Well, there’s an unusual concentration of medical personnel, and an unusual concentration of hospitals, right nearby, so it’s a very thougtful mass-casualty event, I must say.

    Perhaps they thought they could catch more of first responders that way.

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    Raven says:

    @Amir Khalid: You are correct but good luck. I think you are safe to drop the “possible”.

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    GregB says:

    @Mike E:

    WCVB reports that the bomb squad detonated a suspicious device.

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    Bostondreams says:

    This is a nightmare. My uncle is a dispatcher supervisor there. Says its controlled chaos.

    Patriots Day. :(

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    This is terrible, I know so many people who have run the Boston Marathon, don’t think anyone I knew was running this year.

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    LanceThruster says:

    You can always tell something’s happened when you see co-workers staring at the screens mounted in the lobbies that certain way.

    Whether true or not, my initial impression with these occurances is most often ‘false flag.’

    I’m sick to death of being lied to and we get lied to a lot. Hope people are not hurt too bad and hope we don’t lose a lot more freedoms for the sake of the police state making use ‘safer.’

    The easiest attacks are always sucker punches.

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    GregB says:

    Latest update: 2 dead, 22 inured.

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    @Roger Moore: This. It could be that it’s tax day, or it could just that a high profile event with lots of spectators just happened to fall on tax day.

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    Joel says:

    As a runner who has failed to qualify for the marathon, this is pretty damned freaky. I have friends who run. I hope they’re okay.

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    Raven says:

    @GregB: ABC confirmed that from Boston PD Police Twitter.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @GregB:

    One report the medical tent has been set up as morgue. A groundlevel video shows the first explosion right before the finish line and a second, seemingly a block away.

    Horrible.

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    LanceThruster says:

    I like the UK campaign response to their 7/7 bombing…”I am NOT afraid.”

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Lit3Bolt:

    Michigan militia, perhaps?

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    Raven says:

    @Trollhattan: Yea, that flash was quite large.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @aimai: I hope you can get in touch with your friend soon and that everything is okay.

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    Liquid says:

    @LanceThruster: As opposed to our post-9/11 piddling in the corner like scared little mammals. Luckily we had Dick Fucking Cheney.

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    Calming Influence says:

    2 dead, 22 injured.

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    Calouste says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The Millennium bombing targeted LAX, which isn’t exactly a “large scale event”.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Whether true or not, my initial impression with these occurances is most often ‘false flag.’

    Go fuck yourself.

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    Mike E says:

    Ok, coverage handed off now to sports desk jockeys, not the A-team…cut to sappy ABC feed, not cool. They’ve been quite good, ESPN, better than the “big time” outlets IMO

    ETA autocorrect fix’d

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    Redshirt says:

    I’ve run the race twice, and I used to walk to work right down Boylston street for a decade, so I know this area extremely well.

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    Raven says:

    @Mike E: They can stop with the woman they have on now.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Redshirt: You must be fast. I am too slow to qualify for the Boston Marathon.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Casual viewing of the video feed shows a lot more than a couple dozen folks being wheeled away from the scene. Scores, I’d reckon, apart from the ones loaded into ambulances on gurneys.

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    JPL says:

    The local boston stream is good. I couldn’t get on boston.com but here is the twitter feed for boston globe. https://twitter.com/BostonDotCom

    small homemade bombs..

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    minutemaid says:

    @lol chikinburd: Ahhh so? Has nothing do to with the wild ass speculation you morons are engaging in already. Spare me the conspiracy bullshit. People who go down that rabbit hole are beyond dumb and yea…both sides DEFINITELY do it.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @aimai:

    Fingers crossed, hon.

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    Tone in DC says:

    I don’t just jump or leap to conclusions, I take Jet fucking Blue.

    Hope that the three I heard about are the only deaths. This is beyond foul.

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    @LanceThruster: So you have the same first impression, then you find out that your first impression isn’t always right but you stick with your impression going forward every time? Iz our Lancethruster learning?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @minutemaid:

    Have you bothered to look at the pictures, or are you just talking out of your ass again?

    Let’s just say it seems awfully unlikely that there was a convenient can of red paint in just the right spot to get the street that shade of red and make everyone think it was a serious explosion. Jackass.

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    mapaghimagsik says:

    I keep wanting to post, “I hope everyone is alright” when it’s painfully obvious they are not.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Redshirt: That is fast!

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    gwangung says:

    @minutemaid: Fuck off. Even a typical Balloon Juice troll has more decency than you.

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    Liquid says:

    So, the Butcher of Benghazi didn’t keep us safe like Dubya did blah blah blah.

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    I don’t get the rush to speculate. If you’re wrong you look like fool. If you’re right- what do you win?

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    Calming Influence says:

    @minutemaid: Please shut the fuck up. Thanks.

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    aimai says:

    @YellowJournalism:
    Thank you so much. Somehow its very touching to see your comment. This is so near, and yet so far.

    This is a bizarre event–my 14 year old is in NY this week because its her school vacation–next year she will be in highschool right there, in Copley square–and she just called me because a friend of hers texted her with the news to see if she were at the marathon. My friend who is running went to the same highschool with me, right there in Copley, 30 some years ago? and she comes back from Pennsylvania each year to run in this damned thing. I don’t think its possible for people from outside either the running community or the Boston community to realize how big this is, how much a part of the lives of thousands of people from around the world. The thing is that you just can’t imagine how quotidian and how strange to think of literally thousands of people all drawn into the city for this one day–thousands more not in the city because its a holiday and they don’t have to go to work or school–all of them enacting Appointment in Samarra or that line from Dune “when god hath appointed to a person a time for his death, then he also brings him to the place of his death.”

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    I’m laughing — bad me — at the BBC people saying the Boston Marathon is unusual because it’s the only elite marathon not on a Sunday, but on a Monday state holiday, but not which holiday, and why…. long memories?

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    Trollhattan says:

    @gwangung:

    Sadly, sociopaths have access to keyboards along with guns. We’re all poorer for it.

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    JPL says:

    @SatanicPanic: I agree.. It appears the DA killing in Kaufman was a disgruntled fired justice not the aryan nation ..

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Don’t tell me they still has a sad after more than 200 years.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Liquid:

    A-fucking-men. What chuckleheadhead said “Thank God George Bush was our president after 9/11”?

    Yeah…thank Glob.

    [rolls eyes]

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    shortstop says:

    @SatanicPanic: What is the big deal? This is a blog comment thread — a casual conversation among random commenters. We’re not a network calling Florida on election night.

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    Tractarian says:

    BuzzFeed is saying that a third explosion has been reported at JFK Library.

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    j says:

    WTF? ABC just said that Boston PD already blew up 1 “suspected device” and they have found 3 other “suspected devices” and are evacuating those locations. They evacuated the Mandarin hotel, but will hold a briefing soon at another hotel.

    I’m not sure any hotel is a good place to be inviting the media at this time.

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    minutemaid says:

    @Calming Influence: LOL…have you looked at your handle lately…yea heck of a job.

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    Violet says:

    Boston Marathon official Facebook page calls them bombs. Apparently VP Biden also used the word “bombs” to describe them.

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    nerd says:

    Another explosion reported at JFK Library according to police scanner.

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    raven says:

    @minutemaid: Why don’t just go the fuck away you low life cocksuker?

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Excuse me for disturbing your delicate sensibilities.

    Go fuck yourself right back.

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    aimai says:

    I just heard from my friend’s mother–she is safe, she managed to call her husband in Pennsylvania but not her mother here in Cambridge. She was very close to the explosion but her mother thinks she is ok. She’s not back from Boston yet, though. They may have locked down the subways so it may be hard to get out and she’s probably in no condition to walk out–its about five miles I think.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    I’m laughing — bad me — at the BBC people saying the Boston Marathon is unusual because it’s on a Monday state holiday, but not which holiday, and why…. long memories?

    Maybe the folks at the BBC should have a cup of tea to calm themselves down.

    It’s only been roughly 240 years. Too soon?

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    shortstop says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Shhhh! Don’t mention the war!

    On the other hand, the Yankee “liberal media” will ignore the same thing for different reasons.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    Hearing now that two more devices have been found that are are being disarmed. That means at least 5 total so far.

    Fuck.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @aimai: 48 people are there from where I live in Alberta. Local news is covering it, trying to get in touch with those from here or their families. Amazing how an event like that brings in people from all over the globe.

    Boston.com has a live blog

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    minutemaid says:

    @Mnemosyne: Thanks for putting words in my mouth you fuckwit. Is it any wonder why I enjoy getting a rise out of you soooo much…lol

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    Trollhattan says:

    BBC reporting two more explosive devices have been found and are being deactivated. Actual, or just suspicious, I suppose remains to be seen.

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    Liquid says:

    @shortstop: I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.

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    @shortstop: It’s not the worst thing in the world, I just don’t get the impulse

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Trollhattan:

    We do have access to the pie filter. Mahy-noot brain just got promoted thereto.

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    Xenos says:

    Flash plus shrapnel wounds… sounds like a pipe bomb, signature weapon of white supremacists, whether Rudolph or the guy out in Portland.

    Spent a couple years working in Copley Square, years more passing through on a weekly basis.

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    The incident at the JFK library was a fire in their mechanical room and apparently wasn’t related to the marathon explosions:

    http://www.dotnews.com/2013/jf.....hon-attack

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @j:

    Jesus.

    So three explosions, one contained explosion by the bomb squad and two or three more found??

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    LanceThruster says:

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Give me an example and I’ll let you know if I’ve revised my 1st impression.

    9/11?

    False fucking flag through and through. (though false flag was not my 1st impression there…that came later).

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    Mike E says:

    Game at Fenway ended about 1 hour before this…2 other devices found. Death toll reported now unofficially at 12.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @BostonDotCom: UPDATE: Intelligence official: 2 more explosive devices found at Boston Marathon; being dismantled

    (that’s the Globe)

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @TooManyJens:

    Okay.

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    JenJen says:

    @Tractarian: So many conflicting reports about JFK Library. Boston Herald reporter Dave Wedge tweeted this photo and reported that a terror response team was en route, but other reports say that fire was unrelated.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @nerd:

    Another explosion reported at JFK Library according to police scanner.

    MSNBC says it’s unrelated, but no one knows for sure, obviously.

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    Redshirt says:

    JFK Library is nowhere near Finish line.

    Hope they are not related.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @aimai:

    Great to hear; what a relief! At the moment, thousands must be trying to determine the same thing.

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    Tim I says:

    @Violet: Today is Patriots Day which is a big holiday in New England and always the day they run the marathon.

    It looks pretty grim, at least two dead, 23 wounded – of these 10 suffered traumatic amputations as a result of the blast.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @LanceThruster:

    God help us. Another “Loose Change” freak.

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    Violet says:

    @aimai: So glad to hear that! What a relief.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @JenJen:

    Well…YMMV.

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    Alex S. says:

    How many bombs will they find? Thirteen bombs for the thirteen colonies?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Excuse me for disturbing your delicate sensibilities.

    Actually, you should be asking my pardon for deciding that right-wing terrorism doesn’t really exist, so it must be a false flag operation. I’m guessing you also think Timothy McVeigh was the fall guy for a false flag operation? Eric Rudolph?

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    JenJen says:

    @LanceThruster: Oh, trust me. It varies.

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    John O says:

    CNN reporting more devices, while almost comically avoiding the fact that it is tax day.

    I hope they can id the color of the perps soon so we can determine whether this is terrorism or not.

    So anyway, if THAT turns out to be accurate, I speculate that this was amateur hour at domestic terror camp. “I must emphasize, however, this is ONLY speculation at this point.”

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @aimai:

    So glad to hear that your friend reported in.

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    Tractarian says:

    @TooManyJens:

    The incident at the JFK library was a fire in their mechanical room and apparently wasn’t related to the marathon explosions:

    Thanks for the update

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    Catsy says:

    @minutemaid:

    Is it any wonder why I enjoy getting a rise out of you soooo much

    It’s always nice when a worthless troll openly admits their agenda and surrenders any pretense of credibility or good faith. It saves the rest of us any time we might have wasted taking you seriously.

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    henqiguai says:

    @Tractarian (#149):

    BuzzFeed is saying that a third explosion has been reported at JFK Library.

    That’s been verified as a non-related equipment fire. Coincidences apparently do occur.

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    @LanceThruster: If what you’re saying is that despite not every situation being a false flag, you think that the proper course is to assume that every new situation is a false flag, I’m fine with it. It is just odd to me.

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    Liquid says:

    How long until the Boston Marathon gets added to that YOLO bullshit.

    *runng the BstnMthn, YOLO!!1 LOL*

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    De-duped –was re 2 other devices from @BostonDotCom

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    GregB says:

    @Tim I:

    I saw footage on Live Leak of a man being wheeled out in a chair with a missing leg. Some one or group has hurt and maimed a lot of people today.

    This is horrible, but fuck whoever did this.

    WCVB is reporting that unexploded secondary devices have been found in the area.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Peter Sagal (of “Wait, Wait” fame) is very happy about each and every training run.

    NPR’s Peter Sagal tells All Things Considered that he had just finished the marathon, when he heard an explosion. He said he turned his head and that’s when the second explosion hit.

    He said he was about 100 yards from the explosion and emergency personelle immediately descended on the scene.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @celticdragonchick:

    No…another crime scene evidence was destroyed ‘freak.’ Changing official stories freak, everyone failed so no one failed freak.

    I was expressing an honest viewpoint, right or wrong (re: 1st impression) and if that gets your knickers in a twist…oh well.

    9/11 was MIHOP or LIHOP ASAIAC.

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    Tractarian says:

    From NBC News

    BREAKING: Small homemade bomb is preliminary cause of explosion at Boston Marathon, law enforcement officials tell NBC News

    Not al Qaeda

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    scav says:

    @SatanicPanic: well, I always assumed it was second-best contol, e.g. when you were unable to contol the events, it helped that one mastered the information and understanding. Also, in terms of having to react to things, going with an imperfect first-order approximation (run! Tiger!) worked even if later, upon considered reflection, one couldn’t quite recognize the species of carnivore.

    Now, becomming wedded and inflexible in one’s chaos based first reactions, generally very dumb.

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    raven says:

    News conference in 15 minutes Westin Hotel #tweetfromthebeat via @CherylFiandaca

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    Calming Influence says:

    @minutemaid: You stupid fucking pinhead. I’d slap that smirk off your moronic fucking mug if I thought it would do any good.

    Do you understand my handle now?

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @minutemaid: Can we just ban this worthless piece of trash already?

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @aimai: That branch of the Green line is shut down, rest of T running with heightened security.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Well, the usuall sitution is that there are lots of types of folks who set off bombs and trying to identify the ideology of the group involved at this point seems kind fruitless. might as well be talking about martians at the moment.

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    shortstop says:

    @scav: That’s not bad. In fact, it’s damned good.

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    raven says:

    @The Other Chuck: Higgs was right. I just pied it.

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    FormerSwingVoter says:

    @minutemaid: People are dead. Glad you’re getting your jollies, though.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Not assume, just gut reaction as my first thought is “who benefits?”

    We inch ever closer to a police state where it is a defacto “war on ordinary citizens.” Or do you liked being irradiated and groped by TSA?

    Do you even know the history of substantiated or planned false flags? It’s pretty effed up.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @aimai:

    Thank God. Good to know!

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    Liquid says:

    “Improvised Devices” just does not have the same ring as FUCKING BOMBS. Christ, Orwell didn’t go far enough with Newspeak.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @Tractarian:

    Not Al Qaeda.

    Good. Homegrown evil should be easier to contain.

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    aimai says:

    @Davis X. Machina:
    Thanks, I’m staying off of radio and tv news because despite the fact you can’t get anything off of the internet I find it very uncalming to listen to actual broadcast news/not news/who knows kind of reporting.

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    raven says:

    @Liquid: You left off explosive.

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    JenJen says:

    Reuters tweets that Boston Police have confirmed another explosion at JFK Library. Seriously.

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    aimai says:

    @celticdragonchick:
    Thank you so much Celticdragonchick. It feels good to hold hands across the internet, sometimes.

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    Cermet says:

    Appears to be a rather low level explosion (considering how few were killed) that might have been loaded with some type of shrapnel – big maybe. That appears to narrow it down to a more home grown terrorist group – lets see, what groups hate taxes, the Federal Government, and most especially a Black President … umh.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    Fox News (yes, I know, but the local affilliates can be pretty decent) reports that two unexploded pipe bombs have been found in the vicinity, according to a friend who lives in Charlestown, MA.

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    @scav: That’s a good point- it is something I guess ingrained in people to react quickly. I suppose I’m more hesitant to do that on the internet where opinions tend to live on forever and since I’ve been wrong plenty of times.

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    👽 Martin says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Do you even know the history of substantiated or planned false flags?

    When all you have is a hammer…

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    @LanceThruster: I’m all for using the cui bono test. When I use it I realize that I rarely factor out my own biases, though. Right now I could pursue multiple theories on who could benefit. I appreciate your explanation, though.

    I am aware of all false flag traditions.

    Also, I don’t feel as forcefully as you do about the war or ordinary citizens or the tradeoffs involved in the TSA. Opinions vary……

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @aimai: Due to police activity, the Green Line is terminating service between Kenmore and Park Street Stations and temporarily suspending B- and C-Line service. Orange and Red Line service will bypass Downtown Crossing Station. Customers are encouraged to utilize the Orange Line to downtown: http://bit.ly/hw7SID

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    raven says:

    @Cermet: It’s a little early to be telling us “how few were killed” there bucko.

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    Maus says:

    @minutemaid: I hope one day you can get medicated enough to leave the house and find friends.

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    Liquid says:

    @raven: Nah, they’re only saying I.D. explosive is too __________.

    Now it’s explosive device, gettin closer.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @The Other Chuck:

    I believe this has already happened serially, and it puts on the lotion, avoids the hose and comes back under a new nym, with and without the “rrrong-waaay Cole” catchphrase (which I believe gets snagged in the spam filter).

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    kc says:

    I just want to secede from the human race right now.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @Liquid: “Improvised devices” =/= hand grenade.
    An improvised device can kill a LOT of people. I know. Believe me, I know.
    And not too far from where I’m sitting is the site of the most effective IED attack ever on US soil.

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    Redshirt says:

    What’s the point in speculating about who did this? We have no information.

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    kc says:

    @minutemaid:

    Please just die now.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @ranchandsyrup:

    I am aware of all false flag traditions.

    For the win.

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    Tractarian says:

    @Redshirt:

    What’s the point in speculating about who did this? We have no information.

    I beg to differ. No, we don’t have a full-scale commission inquiry, but yes, we do have “information.”

    And if we can’t speculate on the anonymous comments section of an irreverant political blog, where can we speculate?

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Cermet:

    Yeah, I think the MLK day device in Spokane can serve as a handy precedent until we know more. Had this occurred in 2003, we’d be hearing a very different news feed.

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    Angela says:

    Mr. Angela is waiting at the Philly airport for his flight to Boston. All flights in and out are cancelled.

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    @aimai: I have at least three friends running. They are all ok, at least the three I know of.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Not assume, just gut reaction as my first thought is “who benefits?”

    Really? People are dead or maimed and your first thought is, “Who benefits?” Not, “Ohmigod this is terrible” or “I feel so sorry for those people” or “Where can I give blood?” Your first thought is, “Who benefits?”

    You know who doesn’t benefit? The dead people. The maimed people. The first responders trying to figure out whose severed leg they just stepped on.

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    j says:

    Per ABC: Now they are evacuating the Marriott. Time for BPD to rethink their presser @ the Hyatt.

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    raven says:

    Dude in the ESPN truck right across the street said the two explosions were about 100 ft apart.

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    the Conster says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    I wouldn’t get on those trains for a million bucks.

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    raven says:

    @j: Westin

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    Gordon, the Big Express Engine says:

    @TooManyJens: that is the clock for one of the waves (there are multpile official clocks depending on which wave of runners you are in). My wife finished in 406 and I thought the same thing until I spoke to her and she finished 20 minutes before the blast. The clock you see on the news was the Wave 3 clock most likely.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @LanceThruster:

    We inch ever closer to a defacto “war on ordinary citizens.”

    So, what, the government blowing up dozens of “ordinary citizens” in the course of its business doesn’t quite constitute a “war” in your view?

    That’s MIHOP ASAIAC logic for you, folks.

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    Maus says:

    @Redshirt: It’s human nature to try and make sense of tragedy while in the midst of it. Productive? Not generally. But completely sensical to do so.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @Soonergrunt: True that. And an industrial strength city trash container would produce some heinous shrapnel.

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    scav says:

    @SatanicPanic: Well, it’s certainly not always the best option under all circumstances, it’s just explicable. Deliberately keeping an open mind as information accumulates and the tiger is discovered to be a delicious overweight antelope sometimes works too, especially in those circs where there’s no chance the tiger can ever do anything to you.

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    askew says:

    @kc:

    I just want to secede from the human race right now.

    I feel the same way. It has just been a never ending stream of violence lately. It is so depressing. I feel for all of the people who thought they were going to have a joyous day and instead are experience one of their worst.

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    max says:

    The “traditional” black days of April have kicked off a little early this year. Sounds a bit like that dude from Seattle, although he was going after the MLK parade.

    (Among many other things bad in April: fall of Phnom Phen to the Khmer Rouge (17th), Hitler’s birthday (20th), Columbine (20th), OKC (and yes, Waco) (19th).)

    max
    [‘Charming.’]

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    JenJen says:

    @Mnemosyne: Thank you thank you thank you, because I just can’t with this fool.

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    BGinCHI says:

    So, the state Patriot day, the Boston Marathon, and the day taxes are due. The latter seems hard to ignore.

    It doesn’t seem like a foreign entity would bomb us on the day taxes are due, does it?

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    minutemaid says:

    @Redshirt: Because the gloom porn addicts that hang around here live for this shit. A day without blood is like a day without sunshine.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Cripes.

    2126: Roupen Bastajian, a 35-year-old Rhode Island state trooper, had just finished the race and donned a heat blanket when he heard the first blast. “I started running toward the blast. And there were people all over the floor,” he tells AP.

    2126: Mr Bastajian adds: “We started grabbing tourniquets and started tying legs. A lot of people amputated… At least 25-30 people have at least one leg missing, or an ankle missing, or two legs missing.”

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    Tractarian says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Really? People are dead or maimed and your first thought is, “Who benefits?” Not, “Ohmigod this is terrible” or “I feel so sorry for those people” or “Where can I give blood?” Your first thought is, “Who benefits?”
    You know who doesn’t benefit? The dead people. The maimed people. The first responders trying to figure out whose severed leg they just stepped on.

    This guy may be a troll but please, enough with the sanctimony.

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    aimai says:

    @Angela:

    I’m really sorry.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @the Conster: I rode them after a Bruins playoff win… I’d risk it.

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    raven says:

    @askew: Lately? Where you been?

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    Cermet says:

    @raven: Little faith in modern medicine, I see; while some of the injured may be critical and would still be in danger, I seriously doubt the number killed will climb very much. Still, I’m hoping for fewer killed, rather than otherwise – does that bother you?

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    I always did say running was bad for your knees. This is not exactly what I had in mind.

    Time to find the fundamentalists responsible and reinstitute public hangings.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @Tractarian:

    “…an irreverant political blog…”

    I beg your pardon?

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Trollhattan: Jesus Christ. That’s fucking unbelievable.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @👽 Martin:

    Look, I never said that I thought this is/was a false flag…but ever sincve 9/11, anything that is cause for sweeping action by our caring, compassionate, and competent overlords for our own benefit causes me concern. My feelings about it was a statement of fact. Whatever can be established by the facts is someone else’s business. We have a prison complex that likes to generate inmates. We have a security apparatus that likes to feel needed (as in increased funding, and increased erosion of the Bill of Rights).

    “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” – H. L. Mencken

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    @Gordon, the Big Express Engine: Huh, I didn’t know that. I’ve never run in a race big enough to need multiple finish-line clocks. Thanks.

    And I’m so glad your wife is OK!

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    kc says:

    @askew:

    I’m literally nauseated.

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    karen marie says:

    @minutemaid: F*ck you.

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    @Angela: Sorry to hear that. Can he get to Providence or Manchester or something? Train?

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    Xenos says:

    @kc:

    I just want to secede from the human race right now.

    Please don’t. We need you.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @aimai: I’m glad your friend is safe. How scary.

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    Liquid says:

    @Soonergrunt: Wasn’t quite what I meant. Just that they seem to be doing their darndest to avoid using the word ‘bomb.’

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    BGinCHI says:

    TPM reporting that there was an explosion at the JFK library in Boston today too, with no injuries.

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    aimai says:

    @kc:

    I kind of agree with the “resign from the human race” thing–and I have children to keep me tethered to the wheel. I just apologized to my older daughter for bringing her into this world of suffering. I see and feel now why so many older people (older than me) just kind of give up and huddle, waiting for the end. It feels like the crazy is coming from all angles these days and there’s no respite.

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    Angela says:

    @aimai: Thanks aimai. But I realize know it is a really small inconvenience. And I’m really glad your friend is ok.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Angela: My husband is due to land in Boston from India in two days hope it all gets sorted out by then.

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    Tractarian says:

    @Cermet:

    I seriously doubt the number killed will climb very much. Still, I’m hoping for fewer killed, rather than otherwise – does that bother you?

    I think what bothered herhim was the fact that you didn’t profess extreme displeasure and sadness.

    I mean, this is no time to point out that this was an incredibly unsuccessful terrorist attack!

    Also, you didn’t say that you felt really bad for that lady whose husband missed his flight. What kind of person are you, honestly.

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    raven says:

    Boston Chief of Police confirms Kennedy Library.

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    askew says:

    @raven:

    @askew: Lately? Where you been?

    Yes, it has been going on for awhile, but it seems lately it is just happening more and more frequently – Aurora, Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon, etc. It’s just heart breaking and you feel powerless to stop the hatred.

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    Ben Franklin says:

    @LanceThruster:

    It just couldn’t be a false flag, cuz, ya know iron-clad evidence isn’t available, and won’t be made available. Wouldn’t that a violation of security, or the Sedition Act?

    Unless a former administration official leaks it, then it’s ok.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    The JFK library explosion was real, according to the press conference going on right now.

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    karen marie says:

    One location was directly across from the library, the second location was a block up, next to 755 Boylston. I was able to identify the second location from seeing a photograph. I lived in and around that area for over 20 years. I’m wishing I could be there to hug all my peeps.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Tractarian:

    If a response is seen as coloring outside the lines, the reaction is as if I had something to do with the attacks. Now that’s some might fine sanctimony.

    I’m no troll, I’m a regular…and I speak my mind.

    Sorry if anyone has a problem with that. I tend not to do groupthink.

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    Calming Influence says:

    Just heard on the BBC live feed of an MIT (prof?) who was right there when the exlposions occurred; he “smelled cordite” while assisting EMTs.

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    Ash Can says:

    @aimai: I hope all of you and yours are OK. It’s horrible to have any kind of personal connection to this sort of thing when it happens.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Boston Police Chief at news conference just said there WAS a third “incident” at the JFK library.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Police Presser: There was an explosion at the JFK Library and they are treating this as a single and ongoing event.

    Shit.

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    lamh35 says:

    ‏@nbcnightlynews 16s
    BREAKING: 3rd explosion at JFK Library, Boston PD Commissioner says

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    raven says:

    @Tractarian: I’m a him.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Has Levenson been on this thread?

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    liberal says:

    …“thank goodness we don’t have that happening every day here in the states.”

    A few years ago, there was some kind of bank implosion in the Dominican Republic. A lot of the money lost was not under deposit insurance and was also held by members of the elite. Instead of letting them eat their losses, the government elected to bail them out, the sum required so large it would be a major economic imposition on the populace (via future taxation/whatever).

    I remember thinking “OK, we have corruption here, but nothing on that level.”

    Oops [this was prior to the burst of the housing bubble].

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    Tractarian says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Sorry if anyone has a problem with that. I tend not to do groupthink.

    You think 9/11 was a false flag operation.

    A little “groupthink” would do you some good.

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    minutemaid says:

    I heard it was neonazi’s FAP FAP FAP…I heard it was N. Korea FAP FAP FAP. What is Fux news saying FAP FAP FAP.

    Good day to be a gloom porn addict.

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    Stolen from teh twitters but seems applicable enough:

    If you don’t have empathy then discretion is a good alternative

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    shortstop says:

    @aimai: Remember that every generation has felt this way. Every single one. There’s still more good than bad in the world, by a long shot. Hold tight.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Tractarian:

    This guy may be a troll but please, enough with the sanctimony.

    Sorry, I’ll try to bring my level of upset down to what you feel is appropriate to this situation. After all, all we have is a bunch of dead and maimed people, nothing to cry about.

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    Liquid says:

    A bomb at the JFK Library? It was Castro!

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    raven says:

    The Chief of Police said “We don’t have a casualty count” as of yet.

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    Redshirt says:

    @BGinCHI: He tweeted that he was OK.

    Bad news about the third bomb, greatly increases the scope of this.

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    JenJen says:

    @Comrade Mary: Yep. Weird that so many rushed to insist JFK Library was unrelated. Boston Herald reporter Dave Wedge tweeted this photo quickly after it happened.

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    Gordon, the Big Express Engine says:

    @TooManyJens: Really glad I choose to see her at Mile 16, rather than at the finish…

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    lamh35 says:

    best national news program is CBS and Scott Pelley. He is mostly alone and he is being very careful to only use confirmed info and making sure u are aware of when things are unsure

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    @BGinCHI: No, but ranchandsyrup says he checked in on Twitter.

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    @BGinCHI: he checked in on twitter and is OK and lookin’ out for his peoples.

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    Tractarian says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    After all, all we have is a bunch of dead and maimed people, nothing to cry about.

    Cry all you want, just don’t get all righteous when someone else doesn’t have the same emotional reaction.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Levenson reported in from Twitter that he’s fine.

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    kc says:

    @minutemaid:

    For the love of God, someone please IP-block this motherfucker.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @BGinCHI: OK. Spotted on Twitter.

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    raven says:

    @kc: Pie it.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @minutemaid:

    Hey, Fred, I know you’re still mad at us because we were right about Anthony Weiner’s sexting and you were wrong, but can’t you find it in your heart to forgive us?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Tractarian:

    It would be nice for someone to have an emotional reaction. Though I guess, “It was a false flag operation by the government!” is an emotional reaction, in an irrational kneejerk paranoid kind of way.

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    j says:

    @raven: Sorry, you’re right. I heard the name and for some reason thought of revolving restaurants. Westin it is, and still, the BPD should move the show to PD HQ just to be safe.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    Does anyone else remember the “red button” jokes after the challenger explosion back in 86? Being snarky is a rather normal response, no different than trying to tell everyone to shut up and be all sad, or trying to figure out who did this with little information: We want to be in control. All three responses are equally useless in controlling the situation and equally trivial.

    Though minutemaid is still a dick.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    ex DKos: “Fox in the past 30 minutes has had both Joe Arpaio and New Hampshire Senate Candidate Scott Brown on to offer their commentary on the bombings.”

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Tractarian: After Norway, I think its best to wait a little longer before declaring that the attack is minor.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    A reporter just asked if this was a terrorist attack after being informed of a third explosion at the JFK library. Fucking asshat reporters! Of course it was a terrorist attack. Books do not spontaneously combust.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @Liquid: Until the KNOW that it’s an actual, made-by-a-human bomb, that’s a wise policy.
    It looks like a terrorist attack. It smells like a terrorist attack. It probably IS a terrorist attack.
    But until they are certain that it is, in fact, a terrorist attack, and not something else, they are wise to not call it that. There is no need to get everybody freaked out when it could have been something like a steam line rupturing or some other such.
    But yeah. It sure looks like explosive devices made and planted by human beings.

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    kc says:

    @aimai:

    Really glad your friend is okay.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @JenJen: Herald, huh? That’s 1/2 a mile from the Globe. Someone’s gettin’ fired.

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    Cermet says:

    @Tractarian: your point is valid and you are correct that I should not have overlooked the horror and pain this event has caused rather than just analyzed it.

    So, first off I would like to say that I feel this is terrible and those poor people murdered (and could have been someone I knew) I know is a pain for so many families/people that I can not imagine the level of horror they will have to live with. I am extremely saddened by the lost of life and harm done by this sick terrorist attack .

    My post was to point out the explosions were very likely homegrown and not a threat from outside terrorist. I was simply adding facts to support that speculation.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Davis X. Machina:
    They can’t heap themselves, can they? Did Arpaio blame it on Mexican drug cartels? Were severed heads mentioned?

    What tools.

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    Eric U. says:

    I’m going to have to stop reading kargoX’s gun violence post, because it’s starting to make me paranoid. I remember being very wrong about who did the OK City bombings, so I don’t speculate about these things any more. Just hope these people get caught as easily as Tim McVeigh.

    I guess I have to install the pie filter on this computer too

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    aimai says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Oh, you are doing groupthink, its just not the group you happen to find yourself in at this moment.

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    Redshirt says:

    @Davis X. Machina: New Hampshire Senate candidate?! When did that happen?

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Trollhattan: As dogs return to their vomit, so fools to their vomit, sayeth the Preacher.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Thanks for the Levenson updates, folks.

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    cyntax says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    Well TPM is reporting that two more explosive devices have been found and are being disarmed so that pretty much ties off any other possibilities.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    I cannot imagine the mind of a person or persons who would do something like this. Bombing always seems so cowardly to me. Hope they catch this cowardly piece of crap, and soon.

    I’m so sad for all those folks who were out there running, having fun, enjoying the event….and to have it end like this. It’s just fucked up.

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    Petorado says:

    Just saw this mentioned in a tweet on Boston Globe site:

    Apparently families of Newton victims were seated in VIP section 10 feet from explosion. Last mile was dedicated to them.

    What a horrible world this is turning into.

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    raven says:

    CBS, and the photo above tends to confirm, the library explosion appears to be a molotov cocktail sort of device.

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    aimai says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    I don’t get the distinction between a bomb attack on a large crowd and a “terrorist attack.” Its a terrorist attack definitionally at this point, already.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Redshirt: DKos is I think rushing things a bit. Brownie is on record as being interested…and owns property up theah.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Tractarian:

    A little “groupthink” would do you some good.

    That “groupthink” got us into a couple of useless wars.

    “Americans were so outraged over the killing of thousands of innocent US citizens over a political beef, that they responded by killing hundreds of thousands of innocent foreign civilians over a political beef.” ~ LT

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    bemused says:

    I have texted my friends there and no answer. I’m worried sick.

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    Liquid says:

    “This is not just an attack on America, it’s an attack on the World.” — Oh fuck you Clint van Zandt.

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    shortstop says:

    @Redshirt: He’s not confirming it. He’s not denying it. But his granny has lived there for 20 years or something like that, so who among us would be churlish enough to call it carpetbagging?

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    eric says:

    nephew out of range minutes before….en route home away from carnage.

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    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @Soonergrunt: There is no need to get everybody freaked out when it could have been something like a steam line rupturing or some other such.

    You’re absolutely right – but this is Boston. Remember the Adult Swim ad scare?

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @NBCSN: Reports of Marathon Runners that crossed finish line and continued to run to Mass General Hospital to give blood to victims.

    We aren’t all ass-hats, us humans…

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    raven says:

    CBS says FIFTY wounded.

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    Angela says:

    @Petorado: I hope that the fact the Newtown families were there is a terrible coincidence instead of part of the reason this attack was planned. That is beyond words.

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    scav says:

    @cyntax: well, tweets on the beeb from the conference are agnostic

    2158: Boston officials say there has been a “third incident” at the JFK Library but are not sure if it is related to the two other explosions.

    and something about all bags left behind in the rush being treated as suspicious and possibly some have been blown up.

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    @bemused: I just saw that they’re shutting down cell service in Boston to prevent remote detonations, fwiw.

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    raven says:

    @Liquid: I had to get out of there when Tweety came on.

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    Catsy says:

    @minutemaid: Good grief, but you’re an irredeemably disgusting piece of work.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Interesting.

    A law enforcement official tells the Associated Press news agency that mobile phone service has been shut down in the Boston area to prevent remote detonation of explosives.

    –BBC

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    Redshirt says:

    Suspect in custody. Saudi Arabian national.

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    Angela says:

    @eric: So glad your nephew is fine.

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    Liquid says:

    @Redshirt: …You’re shitting me.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Very, very apt. Thanks for that. Would make a nice lede for the next Newscorp annual report.

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    JPL says:

    @bemused: my son was working for Marriott during the Olympics in Atlanta. don’t panic..
    btw.. he tried to call me from phones that were roped off and told a cop to fk off he had to call his mom.. probably the only time he will be able to tell a cop to fuck off..

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    Comrade Mary says:

    OK, now the library says it was just a fire, but there’s this report at TPM.

    The Boston Police Department has confirmed to TPM that an explosive device went off at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum in Boston, Mass. on Monday. No injuries occurred in the incident.

    “There was another device, confirmed at JFK,” Neva Coakley, an officer in the Boston Police Department’s press office, told TPM.

    Coakley said that device went off at 2:55 p.m. EST, but could not provide further details.

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    raven says:

    I didn’t want to say anything about the Gitmo letter to the editor in the NYT.

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    4tehlulz says:

    @Redshirt: Any source that is not the New York Post?

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    eric says:

    @Angela: much thanks….very unnerving and I dont spook easily

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    Ben Franklin says:

    @bemused:

    Cell service cut-off due to fear of detonation of another device

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    Calming Influence says:

    @kc:

    “I just want to secede from the human race right now.”

    You can’t do that, although you can go to a costume shop and try cross-dressing as a big fuzzy animal. I do understand the feeling, though; times like this make me want to spend more time with my cats.

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    Redshirt says:

    @4tehlulz: Heard it on the radio. Not sure what their source was.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Redshirt: That’s from the New York Post, not from any official source.

    The NY Post was also claiming 12 dead some time earlier. Caveat lector.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @cyntax: well, yes. Yes it does. And while I have always thought it was a bombing, it’s OK for US to speculate. I don’t think that public safety people should be doing that. When a guy with a badge says things, then right or wrong, people take that as gospel and you end up with bad shit happening that could have been avoided.

    @Redshirt: Any information about him? Cause it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if he were arrested for being Arab near a terrorist attack site.

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    JenJen says:

    @Redshirt:

    Suspect in custody. Saudi Arabian national.

    Pretty sure the only outlet reporting that right now is the New York Post.

    @Comrade Mary: And the NY Post is still reporting 12 dead. My local wingnut radio station is reporting the same thing without citing that it’s only one source and that source happens to be about the most irresponsible source imaginable.

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    raven says:

    @4tehlulz: Damn, I just went there:

    “A law enforcement source confirmed to The Post that 12 people were killed and nearly 50 were injured in today’s blast.”

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    Gordon, the Big Express Engine says:

    @TooManyJens: al three kids under 6 years old in tow…

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    Comrade Mary says:

    (OK, Caveat auditor, not lector).

    Guys, if we’re going to share info, can we cite sources?

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @Liquid:

    “This is not just an attack on America, it’s an attack on the World.” — Oh fuck you Clint van Zandt.

    This is the same jack ass who pointed to the knife wielding maniac in China during the Newtown coverage, trying to make a point about every country having a fair share a lunatics. Nevermind that none of those Chinese kids died.

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    Liquid says:

    @Redshirt: Well shit, OK you convinced me; Let’s invade Iran.

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    Napoleon says:

    @bemused:

    Likely is simply because of system overload in Boston.

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    Bostondreams says:

    @bemused:

    They have shut down all cell service, per Boston Globe and Boston PD, to prevent accidental detonation

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    lol chikinburd says:

    @Liquid: Could be worse; you could be watching the network that put Jane Harman on to babble something about Yemen.

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    Liquid says:

    Christ Tweety, Munich? Really?

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    Kyle says:

    It would be handy to have an ATF Director about now.

    Thanks, vandal Republicans
    http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/26.....of-leader/

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    raven says:

    Back to the library being unrelated.

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    karen marie says:

    Boston Marathon bombing people finder

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    DougJ says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Forgot it was tax day. Yeah, you’re probably right.

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    cyntax says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    Absolutely agree about public safety people needing to avoid speculation.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @aimai: A terrorist attack could be accomplished any number of ways. And while bombing is certainly the generally desired method, there have been mass shootings, multiple guys with machine guns, and so on. What I meant is that some terror groups have preferred methods while other groups use entirely different methods. Al Quaeda seems to have a hard on for air planes, and to a lesser extent, car bombs. Domestic terrorists tend to use pipe bombs. But none of that should be taken to mean that they don’t watch the news and read the papers and learn from each other. The largest IED truck bombing ever in the US was carried out by an anti-government fanatic with white supremacist and Christian Identity leanings.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    Yup. We speculate because we (okay, most of us) are human and humans want answers. Even if they’re easy. Even if they’re wrong.

    Officials have to play it close to the vest and not speculate, publicly. They could cause panic or rash actions. They could also screw up an eventual trial.

    Us? We have no such restrictions, only our desire for information.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    I’d bet large dollars that the explosion I saw on video was a black powder bomb.

    You know who likes to use black powder bombs?

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    Comrade Mary says:

    BPD: No Arrests Made in Bombing

    The New York Post reported that a “Saudi national who suffered shrapnel wounds in today’s blast” has been identified as “a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing.” The Boston PD spokesperson did not confirm that report.

    “Honestly, I don’t know where they’re getting their information from, but it didn’t come from us,” said the spokesperson.

    The Post report was attributed to “a law enforcement source.” According to the Post, the “suspect” is “currently being guarded in a Boston hospital.”

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    Angela says:

    Wow. They are boarding my husband’s flight to Boston out of Philly now.

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    Heliopause says:

    An appropriate punishment for the perpetrator would be to lock him in a room with Jane Harman.

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    4tehlulz says:

    BPD says no one in custody. The NYP can go fuck itself.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Heliopause:

    How long until Michele Bachmann tells us, “This is just like Benghazi”?

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    Redshirt says:

    My bad. Sorry, just repeating what I heard live.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Liquid:

    Christ Tweety, Munich? Really?

    Oh. Lets just turn the damn news off and talk about gardening for a few days. We can read about this next week. I’m not saying that its a no big deal news story. But there’s no reason to sit through “It’s Munich all over again”.

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    Cassidy says:

    Glad to hear our Boston peeps are checking in.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Liquid: Christ Tweety, Munich? Really?

    As in Neville Chamberlain? Huh? I sometimes defend Tweety, but I can’t think of another non-Fox major personality who should be kept farther away from microphones at a time like this

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    JenJen says:

    @raven:

    Back to the library being unrelated.

    So even the Boston PD got that wrong?? Crazy.

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    Randy P says:

    My brother in Boston is reporting they may shut down cell service for a while as it looks like these devices are cell-phone triggered.

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    bemused says:

    @ranchandsyrup:

    A friend did get word from them that they are all ok. Whew. Now I feel shaky. Our friends were at the finish line but didn’t get hurt. They were staying a a hotel right there too but evacuated.

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    John O says:

    CNN is JingTS. It’s almost laughable.

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    scav says:

    @JenJen: How could they really know yet either way, without some really obvious clues (and even those they’d need to check because people like claiming stuff). They’re busy with other things, including abandoned bags, and tests take time.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: No, Munich as in Munich Olympics and the attacks on the Israeli athletes there.

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    Kyle says:

    The New York Post reported that a “Saudi national who suffered shrapnel wounds in today’s blast” has been identified as “a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing.” The Boston PD spokesperson did not confirm that report.

    The Bush Administration immediately offered to his relatives a flight out of the country without being questioned.

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    Heliopause says:

    Who was that just now on CNN saying, “thank God the bomb wasn’t bigger”? Well, yeah, genius, thank God it wasn’t bigger. What if it were an atom bomb? What if it were a hydrogen bomb. OMG, what if were a supernova? Thank god it wasn’t the antimatter universe folding into our matter universe and annihilating both.

    Jesus, where do they come up with these people?

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    raven says:

    CBS just showed video looking at the finish line and the interval between explosions is only about 15 seconds. Pretty sophisticated timer or command detonated. Sooner?

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    John O says:

    @Heliopause:

    It’s spectacular in its own strange way.

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    raven says:

    Scott Pelli is saying over and over that there will be more dead. Want to give me a fucking hard time on that?

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    Liquid says:

    Every single person speaking on Hardball is angling for some kind of award for breathless reporting.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/1.....alse_flag/

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    JenJen says:

    @scav: At the 4:30 pm news conference the Boston PD spokesman called the JFK Library fire the “third event” following the two explosions at the marathon. Seems as though he shouldn’t have said anything about JFK Library at all.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Heliopause:

    The God Hates Fags guy sez every tragedy is God trying to pummel humanity into recognizing His awesomeness and turn away from sin. Kind of like holding your kid’s hand over the stove burner to teach them not to play with fire.

    The prosperity Gospel says that God rewards the devout and punishes those “He” is displeased with.

    Like micromanagement by the insane.

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    Randy P says:

    Do I remember correctly that the Oklahoma City bomb also had a Middle-Eastern suspect reported in the first few breathless hours?going to wait at least till tomorrow till there’s something about suspects I might believe.

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    cckids says:

    @lol chikinburd:

    you could be watching the network that put Jane Harman on to babble something about Yemen.

    No lie. I had to leave when she said “We can be thankful it was a holiday; people were home rather than at work so there were fewer people around.” Jesus Crocheting Christ, has she heard of the Marathon? It is “somewhat popular”. Oy.

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    scav says:

    @JenJen: probably better. ideally a world would exist where he could say “We don’t have a clue yet, we’re busy.” but it ain’t here.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Chyron HR:

    I was differentiating between the (relatively) short-lived, low-intensity violence of a “false flag” and the more exrtensive acts perpetrated against US citizens in “the war on drugs,” “the war on terror,” GWOT, GSAVE, etc.

    And I meant to type “AFAIAC” but who doesn’t love a good spelling flame?

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    @bemused: Glad to hear that they’re OK, bemused. Don’t blame you at all for being a bit shaky. {{{hugs}}}

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    cckids says:

    Per MSNBC, Boston press conference: “There is no one in custody at this time, those reports are incorrect”.

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    Jamey says:

    Who will be the first guest to tell Hannity that those people would be alive today if the runners had been armed?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    I recall seeing someone say that al-Qaeda learned their trick of two detonations about 30 minutes apart (to try and kill the first responders) from the IRA.

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    Bob h says:

    My candidates:

    1. Right wing, home-grown terrorists tied ideologically to Tea/Republican Party
    2. North Korea
    3. Pakistani-based Islamists seeking revenge for drone strikes.

    All dirtbags of the same order.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @aimai: I beg to differ. I was not stating any inclination towards a conclusion based on facts I had, I was stating that my first reaction is quite often (more accurate than most often) that these horrible occurances generate animus towards a particular group. Sometimes those are the tactics of the group so it is not unreasonable to take the event at face value. Other times it seems as to work against whatever agenda a given group has. To interpret any of my previous comments as anything other than healthy suspicion of anything we’re told these days is to ignore my point. Whoever did this wanted to instill a sense of dread and terror. Those investigating these murders will look into motive. Many of the lies we get told have a clear motive, but have the cover of being unthinkable. I do not consider a whole lot of things “unthinkable” anymore.

    I’m just a handle on the interwebs so take it for what it’s worth, but I had a friend who was an emergency responder (EMT pararescue) who was flown out to OKC after the Murrah building bombing. He was prevented from conducting any search and rescue in the debris until feds had secured files and documents on the scene.

    Obviously not all conspiracy claims are legit (I am making none re: Boston), but not all dismissals of same have merit either.

    If I was to guess, I’d say domestic terrorism. Beyond that…?

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