Point, Counterpoint

Not sure if you have been following this idiotic controversy where MHP is under attack for pointing out the obvious, which is that society has a vested interest in collectively taking care of children, but it’s really quite sad. Of course we take care of our kids collectively. No one runs their own baseball team, soccer team, or elementary school. Even home schoolers spend hundreds of hours online and elsewhere collaborating. It’s just so fucking depressingly stupid. And when something is this stupid, you just know snowball Snookie has to get involved:

Win.

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  1. 1
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    How many kids does MSNBC have, anyway?

  2. 2
    lojasmo says:

    LOL

  3. 3
    Violet says:

    Good Lord. She’s like a coldweather cracker caricature.

  4. 4
    Joseph Nobles says:

    This just hit when Glenn Beck’s conspiracy of the month was the Common Core Curriculum.

  5. 5
    Quicksand says:

    I had no idea who or what MHP was. Wikipedia to the rescue!

    But what I don’t understand is why the Montana Highway Patrol needs to take a position on this issue.

  6. 6
    jayboat says:

    TBogg for the win!

  7. 7
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’m a little unclear on how Twitter actually works– did she, or at least her followers, see this?

  8. 8
    Betty Cracker says:

    God bless Tbogg.

  9. 9
    BGinCHI says:

    Yeah MSNBC, stop caring about children who might otherwise die sweet Darwinian deaths.

  10. 10
    schrodinger's cat says:

    Isn’t it sad how conservatism is devolving. First they had Thatcher, now they have Palin. Reminds me of a very bad TNG episode.

  11. 11
    Bubblegum Tate says:

    God, Palin can’t even troll properly anymore. She really is washed up.

  12. 12
    hildebrand says:

    I continue to thank all the various communities of gods and goddesses above and below that Rush Limbaugh has never procreated.

  13. 13
    Baud says:

    If I used Twitter more, I would respond to every Palin tweet with “So sayeth the former Republican nominee for Vice President of the United States.”

  14. 14
    Sly says:

    Even home schoolers spend hundreds of hours online and elsewhere collaborating.

    When they’re not suing the local school district to get their kids on the football team.

  15. 15
    JPL says:

    OMGoodness..That Tbogg person is sure sexy.

  16. 16
    muddy says:

    Your children belong to you but your embryos don’t.

  17. 17
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    In case anyone missed it downstairs my veggie garden is done, bring on the goodies!

    http://crittersbybritty.com/

  18. 18
    Zam says:

    Every time some conservative try’s to talk up how much more intellegent their philosophy is I just laugh and remind them that they voted for this person

  19. 19
    schrodinger's cat says:

    Kitteh advice needed. My orange kitteh has been having tummy problems. Right now she is very gassy.

    First she developed a sensitivity to her canned food, then after only eating dry food she developed a case of constipation. I have been adding some squash to her diet and now she is gassy. She got a clean bill of health from the vet, during her annual visit about 6 weeks ago. She is 10 and a bit Tunchesque.

    ETA: Forget kids even hasing healthy kittehs needs a village.

  20. 20
    Bobby Thomson says:

    I had to follow the link to see who you meant by MHP and Damn – that’ll leave a mark.

  21. 21
    Punchy says:

    @Sly: really? They dont attend a school but think their kids should play on those teams? Thats a fine howdya’do.

  22. 22
    David Hunt says:

    @hildebrand:

    I continue to thank all the various communities of gods and goddesses above and below that Rush Limbaugh has never procreated.

    It’s not certain that we’re entirely in the clear. There could be a blip in the number of fat, entitled sociopathic children of Dominican sex-workers that shows up in a few years. Fortunately for everyone but the Dominicans, those people will be unlikely to plague anyone outside of their local neighborhoods.

  23. 23
    gbear says:

    How many kids does it take to raise the village?

  24. 24
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Sly: My friend who started homeschooling her daughter has gone completely loco, so I believe you.

  25. 25
    c u n d gulag says:

    When one of Sarah’s daughters, meets one of Santorum’s son’s, the child will be called Jesus Merger Palin Santorum.
    Or, “Jumps,” for shorts!

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    JPL says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Mine is not close.. The overly protected son has decided that before we build a raised garden, the surface needs to be packed and level. I also can’t have a six inch raised garden cuz at some point I won’t be able to bend. I’m not that old and if there are any more strings and levels.. I am gonna scream. I just want some beans.

  27. 27
    Violet says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: One of my friends put her older kitties on a raw food diet. They’re doing great on it. I think she prepares the food every couple of weeks, freezes it in individual servings so it’s not too complicated to get a packet out. Their coats look shiny and a niggling food allergy has vanished.

  28. 28
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @David Hunt: I’ve always assumed the lack of a Rush Limbaugh IV was a big part of his churning psyche. I figured that with wife #4, Michael Jackson’s doctors would have been called in to produce an heir by now.

  29. 29
    jl says:

    I agree with Cole and TBogg. Except, I am concerned about hateful speech that will stigmatize all those unfortunate kids out there named Sled and Tarp, which was not called for. TBogg needs to apologize, to those kids, if not Grizzly Bear Momma herself.

    Edit: Kids named Sled and Tarp growing up in poor versions of a Palinesque family have enough problems already.

  30. 30
    Pooh says:

    @Violet: first time I read this I thought you said “kiddies” and I was like whoa…

  31. 31
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    And TBogg slams it out of the park, it’s on it’s way to South America!

  32. 32

    This is a big thing for conservatives. The Tea Party types are a mix of fundies, racists, and conspiracy theorists, all with a good slathering of abusive, narcissistic, hate-addict thinking. Ownership of their children is VERY important to them. Day care, public education, and child protection laws are all threats to their way of life.

  33. 33
    kc says:

    Well, huh. I guess I should have just let that toddler fall down the escalator at the mall that time. Wasn’t my kid, after all.

  34. 34
    David Koch says:

    If so, can we take them hunting after church in our big pickup truck?

    Does Palin go to church before or after she breaks th3 10 commandments and does an 8-ball while fucking her husband’s business partner?

  35. 35
    Trollhattan says:

    Traces directly back to Hillary’s “It Takes a Village.”

    To which wingers screeched: “The f*ck it does!”

  36. 36
    gnomedad says:

    Didn’t LBJ accuse an opponent of fucking pigs because he wanted to hear him deny it? MHP says your kids belong to the government!!!!

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    Trollhattan says:

    @David Koch:

    I read it as meaning she attends church inside her “big pickup truck” and that being the case, church sacraments might include crank and business partner hanky panky.

    Just sayin’.

  38. 38
    Violet says:

    @David Hunt: I always figured Limbaugh was with the kind of Dominican sex-workers that can’t get pregnant–the male kind.

  39. 39
    maya says:

    @gbear:

    How many kids does it take to raise the village?

    Just one. With a match.

  40. 40
    jl says:

    @Trollhattan:

    ‘ Traces directly back to Hillary’s “It Takes a Village.” ‘

    You are too optimistic. This communist rot traces back to the vicious commie haters of human happiness who have infected our freedom loving, ‘let the losers lose and winners win’, independent self sufficient body politic from the beginning.

    Hell, not just your kids, your own home was liable to be taken over by some jack booted government thug, who would force you to take in some dirty smelly vile hobo, just because the government loves to punish winners and reward losers. Time to stamp out the rot, I say!

    Look at what this commie goon wrote:

    ” The poor, unable to support themselves, are maintained by an assessment on the titheable persons in their parish. This assessment is levied and administered by twelve persons in each parish, called vestrymen…. The poor who have neither property, friends, nor strength to labour, are boarded in the houses of good farmers, to whom a stipulated sum is annually paid. ”

    Thomas ‘Call me Stalin’ Jefferson
    Notes on the State of Virginia, “Laws”

  41. 41
    Mike in NC says:

    “SarahPalinUSA”? Did she copyright that?

  42. 42
    Bubblegum Tate says:

    @muddy:

    Your children belong to you but your embryos don’t.

    Game, set, and match.

  43. 43
    maya says:

    Down below on sarahpalinUSA:

    Please join Gov. Brewer and my family at Hope & A Future’s Strikeout Child Abuse Walk this Saturday at 3pm in..

    Wait an ice-pickin’ minute! Isn’t it none of her goddam business what a parent does with their kid?

    Meddlesome librul.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @JPL: Ha I found out my neighbors were having an above ground pool installed and needed to get rid of boat loads of soil from their back yard. I bought the timbers, built the beds and filled them with the soil from their yard and finished them off with some bags of topsoil. They have worked for me ever since.

  45. 45
    RSA says:

    Since no one else has said it, I will: “TBogg, you ignorant slut.”

    Nice title, John.

  46. 46
    Redshirt says:

    I still love Sarah. Can’t get enough of her – cuz I’m all about the LULZ. And she reliably brings ’em.

  47. 47
    Suffern ACE says:

    @maya: maybe it’s an abuse walk. Poor strikeout child is going to be shamed publicly until he learns to keep his eyes on the ball.

  48. 48
    Trollhattan says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    If you tried that in my neighborhood it would have earned you beds filled with hardpan, clay and silt. Stuff is horrid.

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    muddy says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I asked downstairs what was the green mesh? I have seen that used as fencing, do you have it on the ground to keep animals from wanting to step there?

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    dww44 says:

    @muddy: Ouch!!!

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    muddy says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: My raised bed is the opposite. I had an aboveground pool taken away, and then used the wood from the deck to build the box. Knee high so I can sit on the edge. I lined it with a tarp on the sides because it was pressure treated (altho quite old). Left it open on the bottom aside from chicken wire, it sits on the sand where the pool used to be. Pretty much the only sunny part of the yard.

    I had a guy bring me a truckload of Moo Doo, 1/2 compost and 1/2 soil. 3 yards and I never lifted a shovel!

  52. 52
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @muddy: It is there to stop my cats using the beds as a litter box and digging up everything I have planted. Works like a charm.

  53. 53
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @jl:

    Look at what this commie goon wrote:

    I call your American commie goon and raise the bet with a Middle Eastern collectivist hippie weirdo and religious dissenter:

    [he] called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these”

  54. 54
    muddy says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I’ll have to tell my sister! She is always putting plant trays upside down everywhere. Every time she digs her cat thinks how convenient she has loosened up a nice spot for cat crap. Mine don’t go in my garden. Probably they harass the neighbors, I dunno.

  55. 55
    Tumbrel for Hire says:

    I can’t count how many times I heard people say, “I like her because she reminds me of me!”

    It’s amazing how many Americans so grossly undersold their own aptitude to draw the above conclusion.

  56. 56
    muddy says:

    @Tumbrel for Hire: I have heard that too. I always say enthusiastically that it’s totally true. Then we both walk off smiling.

  57. 57
    Darkrose says:

    /cries

    Why did I read the comments?

  58. 58
    mom says:

    “Fuck the children.” -George Carlin

  59. 59
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    The media wants us to collective our children! Help, we’re being oppressed! Again!

  60. 60
    Violet says:

    @muddy: Are those your cats in my garden, then? This morning one was lounging in the middle of the yard. Scared it to chase it out of the yard. Tired of finding poop in the garden beds and the grass.

  61. 61
    different-church-lady says:

    Advantage: Bogg.

  62. 62
    muddy says:

    @Violet: My black cat thinks his territory includes several neighboring houses. It’s comical seeing him strut down the sidewalk coming home. I’m sorry if he poops at your house! Cats don’t respect fences.

  63. 63
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    “So sayeth the former Republican nominee for Vice President of the United States.”

    Shorter:
    Also sprach Sarathustra.

  64. 64
    Anoniminous says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    THAT would be a humdinger of a book.

    Alas, in the US there are about 47 people who would get the jokes.

  65. 65
    Violet says:

    @muddy: Yeah, I don’t worry too much about it. I’m not shy about spraying the hose in their direction if they come onto my property. But I don’t often get the chance. They see me coming and run off.

    My very favorite was recently when I wasn’t sure if I’d locked the car. Hit the key fob lock button twice and the horn blew…startling the cat enjoying the warmth on top of the hood. It was dark out and I hadn’t seen the cat, but I saw it when it jumped straight up in the air with all four legs splayed out. Heh.

  66. 66
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    the lack of a Rush Limbaugh IV

    And thank FSM for that, say I. The idea of getting Rush Limbaugh intravenously …. [shudder]

  67. 67
    bemused says:

    TBogg should be declared a national treasure.

    Rightwingers are unhinged. They freak out because MHP is a liberal on msnbc and she used the words society and collective in the same breath….very dangerous.

  68. 68
    Anna in PDX says:

    63: Better than the Tbogg rejoinder!

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    muddy says:

    @Violet: LOL! I am always setting off my horn with the key fob. Generally it’s me who is leaping into the air. I use water pistols on cats, and they are to the point now that I can just make “gunfinger” and say Psst and they run off.

  70. 70
    gelfling545 says:

    @Tumbrel for Hire: When Palin was running in 2008 someone I know (one of the few who could stomach her) said she liked her because “she seems just like my neighbors” in her almost-rural depressed community. I asked her which of her neighbors she thought was qualified to be president but she didn’t come up with any names.

  71. 71
    Soonergrunt says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Anoniminous: I got it.

  72. 72
    muddy says:

    @Soonergrunt: I didn’t, and I thank you for making me notice.

  73. 73
    kay says:

    @gelfling545:
    It’s a myth though. I watched one episode of her daughter’s reality show and Palin isn’t practical at all. She’s odd and weirdly useless. The daughters are falling apart in LA, they have this little boy, they don’t know anyone, they’re miserable and bickering. They don’t know how to do normal things, like find day care.

    She’s no help at all. She’s just throwing these useless slogans at them. “Work hard!”

    Maybe they don’t film the parts where she acts like a normal person, but the overall effect was I just wanted to say “look, ask someone else. There’s just no one home at that address”

  74. 74
    taylormattd says:

    What the fuck is MHP?

  75. 75
    Elizabelle says:

    @taylormattd:

    Melissa Harris Perry?

  76. 76
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Go TBogg! Isn’t this the same controversy that erupted when Hilary Clinton wrote the book “It Takes a Village”? Recycled manufactured drama.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village

  77. 77
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Violet:

    Poop in the grass is probably rude neighbors letting their dog onto your lawn, unless you’re letting your grass grow really high. Cats prefer to hide their poop, which is why gardens seem like the perfect spot to them.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Soonergrunt:

    :-)

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    Shalimar says:

    @kay: Exactly what it is like growing up with a narcissist mother. She was always concerned with people thinking she was a wonderful mother without ever actually doing a single thing to help her children. As if the image was all that mattered even if it was total bullshit.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Also sprach Sarathustra.

    Hah!

    That’s played by a kazoo orchestra, right? Or would that be too respectable?

  82. 82
    Svensker says:

    @Darkrose:

    Gah.

  83. 83
    Violet says:

    @Mnemosyne: No, it’s cats. And possums. It is not neighbors’ dogs. But I’ve seen the cats poop in the yard. That business about cats wanting to hide their poop does not apply to the cats in my neighborhood.

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    opie jeanne says:

    @David Hunt: Not unless rent boys can get pregnant.

  85. 85
    opie jeanne says:

    @Violet: We had a cat who never buried it. He usually did his business right in the middle of our lawn. Bags on the mowers or it would have been really bad.

  86. 86
    opie jeanne says:

    @Violet: We had a cat who never buried it. He usually did his business right in the middle of our lawn. Bags on the mowers or it would have been really bad.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @Violet: I always figured Limbaugh was with the kind of Dominican sex-workers that can’t get pregnant–the male prepubescent kind.

    Fixed for extra squickiness. But your way works ok, too.

  88. 88
    NonyNony says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I figured that with wife #4, Michael Jackson’s doctors would have been called in to produce an heir by now.

    Like Limbaugh wants an heir. There’s too much ego there to fit a child into his life.

    And yes – I know that many egotistical scumbags have children. Compared to Limbaugh they’re pikers.

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    xian says:

    @David Hunt: I don’t think underage Dominican boys can get pregnant.

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    xian says:

    as usual i am too slow

  91. 91
    StringOnAStick says:

    Tbogg has expanded upon his tweet: http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2.....ge-budget/

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    g says:

    @kay: Maybe they don’t film the parts where she acts like a normal person,

    True, maybe they don’t but the telling thing is that she has creative control over the show, so she has chosen to present this view of herself to the world.

    She’s quite a piece of work. The pattern is consistent; whenever she feels she needs attention, she’ll pick up something someone said that she doesn’t fully understand, reduce it to an absurdity, and then express her outrage about it.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @StringOnAStick: I so much wish TBogg would move over here to Balloon Juice and start front-paging.

    He’d get way more comments and fun. The only over 100 comments I see on his page are filled with firebaggers bashing on Obama.

    I’m not going to ‘start an account’ at FDL just to comment, much as I’d like to comment. Call me a BJ snob.

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    […] to be fair to Sarah Palin (because there is a first time for everything) she does have some experience in this whole “do it […]

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    johnny aquitard says:

    @hildebrand: That we know of. There’s bound to be some wretched 13-year-old prostitute in Costa Rica who ended up carrying this creep’s issue to term.

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