So Apparently Raping is Really Cool Now, huh.

Seriously, we’re just describing rape now.

On today’s #TWiBRadio, we discussed America’s pervasive rape culture, the indefensibility of the defensive anti-gay marriage stance, and I’ve got ideas for another new project.

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And this morning on #amTWiB, #TheMorningCrew were joined once again by Imani Gandy of the Angry Black Lady Chronicles to discuss the outing of the Obama daughters on vacation, whether we’re doing all we can for American veterans, and the politics of lazy ass glaciers.

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32 replies
  1. 1
    Alison says:

    Oh but we don’t live in a rape culture, no way, what does that even mean, crazy feminists.

    Ugh. Disgusting.

  2. 2
    aimai says:

    I never have the emotional energy to listen to these discussions, I’m a more visual person and I like to read my information. That being said I wanted to add that between all the recent rape stuff and the breitbartian exposure of the Obama girls to the attacks of their trollish commenters I just.cant.even. I am just so overwhelmed with disgust and rage–I made the mistake of actually reading both stevem’s original piece on the subject and then reading the comment thread at boyle’s house of pustules and I became sick with rage.

  3. 3
    Schlemizel says:


    I think America has entered a post-rape-culture society. In exactly the same way we are in a post racial society.

    This is true because our betters in the media had told us it is true

  4. 4
    cokane says:

    help us be the media you want to hear, and what the media NEED to hear

    not NEEDS

  5. 5
    arguingwithsignposts says:


    the breitbartian exposure of the Obama girls to the attacks of their trollish commenters

    I must have missed this. What happened now?

  6. 6


    I think America has entered a post-rape-culture society.

    Is post-rape culture the part where we blame the victim for wearing the wrong clothes, being in the wrong part of town, having too much to drink, or daring to be in the same room as a man without a chaperone?

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    Alison says:

    @Roger Moore: I don’t think Schlemizel was being serious, as evidenced by the reference to a “post-racial society” in the second part of that sentence.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    The song is musically amazing. Lyrically, appalling.

  9. 9
    Schlemizel says:

    @Roger Moore:

    No, not at all. Only feminists promote the rape culture, when they talk about the rape culture. Women are the real rapists!

    This is exactly like how people of color are the real racists because they insist on pointing out how race affects Americans.

  10. 10

    I think this is about right. Obama’s election and reelection proved that the part of America that considers abusive, bigoted assholery a virtue is now a slight minority and shrinking. That subculture went batshit, and is spewing out the hate they’d held back for fear of social shame.

    EDIT – In case it’s not clear, that means we are in the ‘post’ racist and rape culture historical segment. That is, we’ve moved to a new phase separate from the old phase, where they’re not bothering to hide it anymore.

    EDIT EDIT – I haven’t listened to the musical piece. I’m just talking about the crazy misogynistic crap going around in politics now.

  11. 11
    Mnemosyne says:


    The girls went on a Spring Break trip to the Bahamas with the rest of their classmates, which is SPENDIN’ MAH TAX DOLLARS!1! Because apparently unlike every other employee in the United States, when the president receives his salary, that money remains the property of the United States and individual citizens are allowed to decide how the president spends the money we pay him to be president. And we get to dictate how he spends the money that he makes from other sources, like his books. Because that’s how government works.

  12. 12
    Kay says:


    I can’t even believe they’re still talking about the WH tours.

    God almighty.

    On a side note, conservatives are obsessed with the fact that Obana “has” Air Force One. They’re seething with outraged ownership. I didn’t notice it until election II but it amuses me so I bring it up when I can.

    “Saw the History Channel show on Air Force One the other day”

    Stand back! They’re gonna blow!

  13. 13
    mclaren says:

    America is a sick twisted culture of sadistic cowardly bully-worshipers, so you’d expect that rape brings a smile to your average Americano’s heart. Nothing delights an Americano more than raping an underage defenseless child — other than beating the crap out of said underage defenseless child afterward.

    America is the focus of evil in the modern world.

    And for those of you who wonder “what does `rape culture’ even mean?” here’s what it means: one out of every three women in the U.S. army are raped — by our brave strapping two-fisted all-American soldiers.

  14. 14

    I got that. I was trying to make a joke that the rape culture is the part when the rape happens and the post-rape culture is about the vileness afterward. I guess if I have to explain it, it wasn’t a very good joke.

  15. 15
    Baud says:


    For these people, the current president is property.

  16. 16
    mclaren says:

    And for those of you who “never have the energy for these discussions,” imagine yourself screaming like an animal as five burly guys hold you down and a whole football team worth of men work over every one of your holes for five or six hours. And imagine watching those guys get tried and convicted and then sentenced to less time in prison than a housekeeper who stole a bag of frozen meatballs.

    See how much energy you have then.

    America is a country that makes jokes about prison rape.

    That’s how sick this fucking country is.

    If you don’t realize there’s a problem here, you’re part of it.

  17. 17
    Schlemizel says:


    I don’t think we can be ‘post-racial’ until it really does not matter if you were born white, black, brown, yellow or red. By that standard we are closer than we were 60 years ago but not really close.

    We will enter a post-rape-culture society when people do not offer sympathy for the lost opportunities of the rapists, or question the womans sobriety or how short her skirt was. On that count we are about where we were on race 50 years ago; its less acceptable, people are noticing but it is still comfortable to do.

    Its not a smooth transition. In some ways I think we were better on race for a brief period in the 70’s (but then I’m a white boy so my view may be skewed), In other ways (lets say having a President of color) we are much better off now. What I am suggesting is that this growth is not a straight line or easy. We are headed in that direction but we are not there.

  18. 18
    Alison says:

    @Roger Moore: LOL no no, I think I was just not getting the joke while thinking YOU were not getting the OTHER joke.

    One of these days they’ll invent the sarcasm font :P

  19. 19
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    I see mclaren is raping the thread but good.

  20. 20
    ruemara says:

    I’m scared to listen to the music. Somebody sum it up for me.

  21. 21
    opie_jeanne says:

    @Alison: On a forum I used to frequent, sarcasm and irony font was red.

  22. 22

    I’ll stick with the “if you have to explain it, you didn’t tell the joke right”. At the very least, it might have benefited from a /snark tag.

  23. 23
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ahh, so “same shit, different day.” I’m glad I missed it.

  24. 24
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Alison: If I know the commenter and the comment seems off, I assume sarcasm.

  25. 25
    lockewasright says:

    @ruemara: Apparently at some point in the 80s my generation failed to call bullshit when people decided not to bother learning to play instruments, compose parts for several different ones, and then arrange those parts to create a full sound including a bass line, a rhythm section, highs (treble), a lead and possibly a harmony part and instead began programming and sampling sounds and passing it off as music. That explains the auditory insult that is the “music”. The lyrics are what happens when a paternalistic and theistic culture stops properly funding education and fails at the teaching of reason as a result.

  26. 26
    lojasmo says:

    I would suggest that you email Ted & Helen. He will mansplain rape to you.


  27. 27
    lol says:


    It helps to actually compare apples to apples when talking prison sentences.

    The maximum sentence for any charge is always scary but people don’t get the maximum sentence. If the housekeeper is convicted (unlikely imho), she likely won’t even get a month unless she has priors.

    It’s not unlike how people were losing their shit over how Internet Superhero Aaron Swartz killed himself because he was supposedly facing 70 years in prison, when in reality, everyone involved in the case, including his own attorney, was saying he’d get a year at most and probably serve much less than that.

    But going with the reality makes for poor outrage and so it is in this case as well.

  28. 28
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lol: mclaren doesn’t do reason or nuance at times like this. It’s all fire and brimstone.

  29. 29
    Joel says:

    @lockewasright: holy crap, the music snobbery is nauseating.

    however, your sentiment pales in comparison to the especially awful one expressed in the song linked above. so there’s that.

  30. 30
    Gian says:


    to be fair it’s a whine about any government employee who dares not wear sack cloth and ashes and wash the feet of every right wing Koch-bought tea bagger

  31. 31
    Vince says:

    I don’t doubt that there’s something there but I can’t understand half the lyrics. What’s offensive in the song?

  32. 32
    lockewasright says:

    @Joel: Photocopying ‘Waterlilies’ would not make me a french impressionist, or even a talented painter.

    I am also a nauseating snob when I compare a McRib to my hickory smoked babybacks that spend 4 hours in in the barbecue pit.

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