To recap, the House has passed the Senate 2013 Continuing Resolution, with a couple of amendments. The Senate CR bill makes the sequestration cuts permanent and makes several pro-gun NRA policy riders permanent. Every Dem but two and both Independents voted for the CR (with the exception of New Jersey’s Frank Lautenberg, who didn’t vote and Jon Tester’s no vote) along with several Republicans. You want to know what the Republicans were getting in exchange for Reid’s gun control bill even getting a vote? Now you know. That price came up front for the GOP, and they’ll probably find a way to kill Reid’s bill anyway. Even if it does move through, it faces the House.
This means that Liz Warren, Tammy Baldwin, Bernie Sanders, Tom Harkin, Al Franken, all these bastions of progressive purity, voted for this in order to prevent a government shutdown next week, knowing that the gun control bill is in serious trouble and the GOP now has no real reason to negotiate in good faith. It’s the price of doing America’s business, right?
Keep that in mind when President Obama signs the bill Congress gives him into law. That sausage making machine is a pretty awful process to watch, ya know. Tester and Lautenberg aren’t exactly the bluest of blue, either, if you’re planning on holding them up as more liberal than Liz Warren or anything.
And yes, this is me going after the usual suspects. Nobody is pure in Congress. They all play the game. There are times when it doesn’t matter how liberal the Dems are if you don’t have the number of votes needed to win. This is the result. If you think the answer is the throw the impure Dems out and not the real bad guy Republicans, this result will continue to be permanent, too.
4tehlulz
>Keep that in mind
lol this vote will be remembered as much as the Gitmo votes.
sherparick
Again, I think Steve M. at “No More Mister Nice Blog” has a major point about the current semi-civil war that we are now in. http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2013/03/when-one-tribe-goes-to-war-theres-no.html#links
To counteract this stuff, we have to hold both the liberal politicians and MSM accountable (more instances like the CNN bashing post Steubenville) and we should call our Senators and express dismay at them 1) passing this kind of rider and 2) not enacting filubuster reform.
Bulworth
So in response to the Newtown assault-gun mass murders of just three months ago our Congress has weakened efforts to control the proliferation of guns and gun violence?
Hopefully President Romney will veto this.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
In other words, the GOP still functionally runs the entire goddamn country because they can play scorched earth politics and get rewarded for it simply because they can afford not to blink and Dems can’t. And they’ve rejiggered things to where they actually have a functionally permanent House majority for a decade, which is a long time for them to institute new atrocities judging by how prolific they’ve been before.
Excuse me while I flip a table or five because this shit is just impossible to deal with.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
Would you post the first paragraph on DailyKos? With a title like “Senator Warren votes to weaken gun control”? I want to watch heads explode.
jamick6000
the republicans made the obama administration fine HSBC for laundering money for drug cartels and terrorists instead of pursuing criminal prosecutions.
Knockabout
The “Win The Morning” tag person just posted juvenile click bait to get attention. That’s really all you need to know.
Cassidy
Just makes me sad. At this point, FEMA camps and indefinite detention might be a good idea.
Punchy
Why did Tester vote “no”? Something in the bill about funding a gay museum in Butte? An homage to Helena in Helena? Too many unfunded bills for Billings? Too much snake oil for Anaconda?
soonergrunt
“They all play the game. There are times when it doesn’t matter how liberal the Dems are if you don’t have the number of votes needed to win. This is the result. If you think the answer is the throw the impure Dems out and not the real bad guy Republicans, this result will continue to be permanent, too.”
Logic? Purity trolls don’t need no stinking logic!
El Caganer
2013 looks like it’s going to be a very tough year.
Cassidy
@Knockabout: Do you really just hang around waiting to see if Zandar posts so that you can trash him in the comments?
burnspbesq
@jamick6000:
HSBC isn’t laundering drug money any more. The objective was achieved. Your but hurt over how the objective was achieved is noted, and ridiculed.
Cassidy
I wonder if
T&HPedobear can come in here and tell us how amazing and pure and liberal Senator Warren is?The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
@soonergrunt:
At this point, to me, it feels like it’s already functionally permanent. I mean, at a time when passion for gun control is coming off its peak, the NRA manages to win the fucking day yet again and handcuff the gov’t even further. I mean…that’s just indicative of things, isn’t it? GOP can lose public opinion all they want, but they’re fully and firmly inoculated at this point to where they can do fuck all, scorched earth all the fucking time and the possible electoral consequences they can suffer at this point are just about locked in.
And all this today for a possible VOTE on a bill which is likely going to get shot down any-fucking-way, leaving the GOP with all the fucking gains at the Dems trying to act the adult in the room and getting roshambo’d over and over and fucking over again.
burnspbesq
Can we play “reverse secession,” I.e., call a constitutional convention and not invite representatives from Texas, South Carolina, etc.?
MomSense
I could hug you right now Zandar! Thank you for writing this.
geg6
@Cassidy:
Yes. SATSQ.
Ever catch an ABL post? She has fans like Knockabout, too. In fact, many of them are the same ones that Zandar has. I’d like to ask them why, but then I remember what Zandar and ABL have in common.
El Caganer
@burnspbesq: I like it. I like it a lot.
gene108
Politicians don’t lead. They follow the political winds.
Internet liberal “tough guys/gals” need to understand they need a decades long push to change the directions of the political winds.
See gay marriage as an example and the repeal of DADT.
The gun safety issue has just made national news. It’ll take time for change to kick in against insane* opposition.
*Insane because the contra arguments to gun safety aren’t based in reality, but are all hypothetical slippery slope jumps of mental gymnastics.
MomSense
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
We need a heads up if he does because I will definitely make popcorn in advance of that going down.
lumpkin
@burnspbesq:
HSBC probably still made money on the deal. Other banks still know that whether or not to commit a crime is strictly a business decision because the only concern is if the fine will exceed the profit.
That’s their objective.
sparrow
Is there any, any chance that we give the teahadists/republicans a serious drubbing in 2014? Like, enough that we can stop the destruction of the country before it is too late? I volunteered for OFA this last election, but I am about 100x more motivated now to get the congress back.
I know it’s early, but what can we do? I don’t have money but I will sign people up to vote, drive them around, whatever it takes.
MomSense
@soonergrunt:
When people were renting their garments about the public option I tried to explain to them that the President is going to be exactly as liberal/progressive as the last vote needed to pass the bill.
This is too difficult a concept for the purity trolls to understand.
Southern Beale
Ah well, it’s all part of making sausage in America. Let’s remember that a huge reason we’re in this mess is because of 2010. Let’s not let 2014 be a repeat, ‘m’kay?
Here’s a round up of some good news to cheer everyone up.
Cassidy
@gene108: Personally, I’m all for immediate seizure and confiscation and to make all the would be treasonists stand up and be counted.
@burnspbesq: Intrigued….newsletter…sigh. Even the old standby can’t make this a happier topic.
some guy
love him or hate him, Senate majority Leader Mitch McConnell is doing one heckuva job
some guy
love him or hate him, Senate majority Leader Mitch McConnell is doing one heckuva job
JGabriel
Zandar @ Top:
This is the kind of thing that pisses me off. The Senate Radical Conservatives (I refuse to call them Republicans anymore) negotiate for, and get, their permanent “pro-gun NRA policy riders” — this in the wake of Newtown — and then a majority of them still don’t vote for the bill?
Fuck those fucking asshole fucks.
.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Folks, this is what it would have looked like if southerners had done the smart thing in 1861 and stayed in the Union so they could sabotage it from the inside.
some guy
@JGabriel:
Behold the awesome power of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. why are you not clapping louder?
Cassidy
@Southern Beale: Needed that.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@sparrow:
@Southern Beale:
My company just did a voter registration drive. We as liberals need to start doing this every weekend. Especially here in Texas. And then GOTV all of 2014.
MomSense
@sparrow:
We don’t have a choice. I had my first OFA house party last week. Having a second next week. Going to just keep creating little teams of organizers because 2014 is our last chance. If successful we will have 2 years in which to do all the things.
I know everyone is all pumped up for a Hillary win in 2016–but I am not optimistic especially if we have to endure 4 years of this BS. I’m not a fan of hers anyway for lots of other reasons that I won’t go into now.
gene108
What have we done to make Republicans piss in their pants, if they get called a conservative in public?
Until conservative becomes a dirty word no politician wants to associate with and we shellack a Republican Presidential candidate by getting 400+ EV, there’s no reason to change.
I’m not a PR guy. I don’t know how to do these things.
The Republicans did it in the 1980’s and 1990’s, with billionaires funding “news” organizations.
I’m not sure what we’ve got. Dailykos? Balloon-juice?
People think lots of things are good ideas. Ask 100 people, if they think global peace is a good idea, I bet most will agree. You aren’t going to translate this into a global reduction in military spending. The translation between “that sounds like a good idea” to actual policy is hard.
Most people think gun control/safety is a good idea. Getting them off their butts vote NRA backed candidates out of office is a lot harder.
Cassidy
@some guy: And what are you doing? Put it on the table, man. Are you some guy who just comments to try and show how much more pure and superior you are or are you actually doing something to make things better. I have my suspicions.
Ted & Hellen
@The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik:
We are at least 13 years past the time when it was necessary to realize that the U.S. system of government is deeply fucked and bogus and corrupt, and needs to go. Please tell me again why I HAVE to participate?
As to Zandar’s pouty post, I cheer on Liz Warren, who is my senator but I have said from the day she was elected that it was a matter of time before the folks who actually run thing in D.C. let her know how things REALLY work and to STFU.
SatanicPanic
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: We should offer to let them go this time. No slavery anymore, we can do it with a clear conscience.
Mnemosyne
@The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik:
That is the lesson that conservatives learned from the Civil Rights Movement — if you can get your politicians entrenched enough, you don’t have to listen to what the people want. They can march and protest and complain all day long and you never have to do a thing to address their grievances because you hold all of the elected offices and can ignore them.
Not coincidentally, liberals decided at the same time that elective politics were useless and outside activism was how to really get things done. And here we are.
Cassidy
@SatanicPanic: I think we should push them off a bridge. Why share land when we cna all get some breathing room?
James K. Polk, Esq.
@Ted & Hellen:
Better trollz pleaze.
Ted & Hellen
@geg6:
Lousy writing.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@James K. Polk, Esq.:
I’d be willing to settle for trollz that don’t have birdshit in their beards. It’s kind of distracting.
Knockabout
@Ted & Hellen: But that’s raaaaaacist.
SatanicPanic
@Cassidy: Let’s catapult them into space
Ted & Hellen
@sparrow:
Adorable.
jamick6000
@burnspbesq:
but hurt! what light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and Eric Holder is the sun.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Ted & Hellen:
Because not participating allows those who are ruining things to continue to do so. It’s only staying involved that makes things change, no matter how frustrating it is.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
hahaha…
Oh, Fat Assidy, you are one seriously butch, mean ass motherfucker?
Boss out of town again today?
cmorenc
Zandar wrote:
QUERY: If anything nearly so gloomily, cynically resigned to surrender by the dems in the Senate as this had just occurred, why am I not seeing any accounts of it laced with lamenting, pleading, and acidic anger over at Daily Kos, which exists in substantial part for progressive activists to hyperventilate over every dirty betrayal of the public interest by the GOP and every craven, cynical, or weak-kneed falsely pragmatic betrayal of the public interest by democrats possessed of insufficient spine?
Yes, they are yelling at Reid for giving up on the assault weapons ban part of the gun safety legislation, at least for now. But they would be outright birthing a cow out their butt if anything quite so permanently broadband had just occurred.
some guy
@Cassidy:
doorknocking and phonebanking for President KillList wasn’t good enough? How about registering new voters so they will vote for our openly gay Mayor? still not good enough? Does collecting signatures for repealing concealed carry carry any weight with you?
what the fuck have you done recently, Assidy? besides clapping louder, I mean?
NR
@MomSense:
Obama cut a secret backroom deal with the medical-industrial complex to kill the public option long before the bill was anywhere near being voted on.
But go on thinking he’s a great progressive liberal at heart, and it’s only mean old Congress that won’t let him be what he really wants to be.
Ted & Hellen
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Adorbs.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: You’re so adorable when you try and be witty. We already know your answer, you don’t do anything other than comment on blogs and tell your daughter that they have no business denying men access to their vaginas. What a wonderful father! Curious? Do you think they are aware of what kind of mysogynistic comments you make and how much you defend rapists? Kind of makes one wonder if you have a FB page connected to your business where one could copy andpaste to a wall? Wouldn’t that be funny if all the BJ people who think you’re a total shitbag flooded a wall with comments you’ve made! Adorable, I say.
Joel (Macho Man Randy Savage)
Does it make me a bad person to hope that the next major gun incident occurs within the halls of NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA? Probably, but still..
NR
@Southern Beale:
Yeah, the Bad Cop is really scary! He might kick your ass! You better vote for the Good Cop to make sure he doesn’t get the chance! The Bad Cop wants off the leash on this one, and the Good Cop is the only thing holding him back. If you don’t give the Good Cop what he wants, there’s no telling what could happen!
mikeyes
The four “pro NRA” provisions have been included in every bill of this type since 2004 and are really minor tweaks to the system (although I would like to see some objective studies done on gun violence) and should not cause the vapors, but I suppose they will anyway.
This CR resolution did very little, it only kicked the can some more while waiting for some miracle to occur. Nothing has changed except that the four minor tweaks are now as permanent as any law can be which means that it can change at any time. Without them the continuing resolution would not pass the House.
This is fast becoming a cultural issue. The 100M or so who legally own guns (Brady Center calculation)are against crazy people killing children, purchases of guns by felons, adjudicated mentally ill/defective, juveniles, and terrorists but they take umbrage to the indiscriminate policy that any law that limits or denies any aspect of owning guns without examining the consequences. As a result it is perceived as an attempt to limit an ennumerated civil right (self defense by use of arms) because anyone who is opposed to “logical” gun laws is though of as being mentally ill themselves (“gun nut”), in favor of gun violence or for killing children by those who do not own guns.
This is reminiscent of the logic used by the White Citizens Councils during the Civil Rights movement during which time it was pointed out that Blacks were not moral enough to vote, not educated enough, or not invested in civil probity to vote. It reflects a disdain for owners – those who talk about “30 round clips”, “assault weapons” (without defining them), or “why does a hunter need a hundred bullets?” when most state laws limit magazines to three cartridges have no idea what they are talking about – and no need to understand the other side.
The KKK was more straight forward: “N*****s should not vote because they are inferior and we will kill anyone who believes otherwise.” Or “At this point, FEMA camps and indefinite detention might be a good idea.” (The last would have been said by them had FEMA camps existed, which they don’t but the truth never stopped the KKK.)
I think that if you talked to a gun owner in a calm voice you would find that they agree with the left on the basics of not liking murder, mass murder, gun crime, domestic violence, sales to criminals and mentally ill, terror and they want a more comprehensive mental health system country wide. I think that they would object to you telling them that they are responsible, every one of them, for these problems because they own guns, guns are bad and therefore they are bad.
Ideas such as universal gun registration are hard to take for many in the gun culture, the subsuming of terms such as “gun safety” which has a whole different meaning to an gun owner (like calling it the “Democrat Party” and sneering), and the disdainful response in blogs like this are likely to impede any changes. (The NRA, whose purpose is to remain viable, doesn’t help very much either since they have to take the radical position at the other end in order to keep the money coming in.)
But there are incremental changes that can be made. The courts are not going to uphold a lot of these issues, but there are logical and meaningful changes that will be made through the courts such as those found with concealed carry, better vetting of purchases, expansion or better explanation about who is not able to own a gun, etc. In fact there are plenty of laws that address these issues, most anti-gunners are not aware of them or ignore them for effect, that can be improved. The problem as seen by gun owners is that many of the measures offered (low lying fruit like the “assault weapon” ban) don’t seem to have any effect on gun crime and violence and only seem to restrict law abiding persons like themselves. The NY gun law that recently went into effect will probably be struck down in part because it doesn’t seem to meet standards that a civil right needs to be restricted.
So what to do? Try a conversation that starts out by agreeing on a multitude of things or just decide that these (expletive deleted) have no place in the dialogue? I don’t see much of the former anywhere (including right and left)and I expect that the latter will just continue since it reverberates in the echo chamber.
Cassidy
@some guy: I was just curious if you’ve actually done anything. Personally, I’m not entirely sure I believe you. But, oh well.
Nice company you’ve decided to keep, though. Interesting connection you’ve decided to make with someone who defends rapists and pedophiles. Might want to do a little searching first, just sayin’.
Eric U.
@SatanicPanic: don’t think that’s true. The minute they are out of the union, there will be Jim Crow laws in place. They aren’t racist, mind you
Violet
So how many of us made a point to call our elected representatives on a regular basis about gun control? I said I was going to call and then got busy and didn’t. It fell off the radar.
Maybe people on the left need an organized system for calling their reps about various topics. Do it once or twice a week, not just when there’s something urgent happening. Make our voices heard. Phone calls and letters to our reps can help swing their votes.
different-church-lady
@Ted & Hellen:
You are absolutely right. We should go back to having a King — it was so much better that way.
srv
Nice Jackalope, Zandar.
We can always expect a lecture from pragmatic dems especially when they run around screaming and righteous about gun control and end up enabling the NRA. It’s always time to punch the DFH instead of taking any responsibility.
different-church-lady
@srv:
I had no idea Bernie Sanders was such a pragmatist…
some guy
@Cassidy:
I notice you haven’t told us what your own personal investment in electoral politics is, besides clapping louder.
yes, I held my nose and worked to get President KillList elected. I enthusiastically support our Mayor, and work to get him elected. Whether you believe me or not means less to me than a rat’s ass. But I do find it funny how all the Radical Centrists around here are always suspicious of progressives, and quickly resort to ad hominems when challenged.
But by all means, keep clapping louder. Surely somewhere Peter pan will rise again.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
Ahhh…the vile underside of the fat piece of shit, Assidy.
I just forwarded your threat to Cole. Hopefully you’ll be gone soon. Let’s wait and see, shall we?
If there’s one thing he doesn’t tolerate it’s psychos like you taking blog grudges into RL.
Meanwhile, please do try to post on my page, fatso. You’ll find it not possible without my permission.
srv
BJ Prag Hero Rahm goes skiing and has someone else announce closure of 54 schools.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: I didn’t say I would. Just speculating what would happen if some hypothetical people did and wouldn’t it be funny. I would think it was hilarious. Why don’t you threaten me in RL again? You should email Cole some more, though.
@some guy: I dind’t say I’ve done anything, but I’m also not the one denigrating people who are trying. That would be you acting like a piece of shit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
OT, if there still is one: EvenTheLiberalMSNBC is asking Joe Lieberman about Obama’s trip to Israel.
Thor Heyerdahl
@geg6:
They sounded a little taller on the internet?
some guy
@Cassidy:
Nope, you’ve just questioned the credentials of people who, unlike you, actually work for change. Got it. Feel free to keep clapping, but please try to clap louder if you really want to make the cheerleading squad.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
So you were in a coma from 1999 to 2008 and have no memory or knowledge of the events of those years?
Explains a lot, actually.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
Cole’s been notified. I wonder if you’ve finally gone too far…
Lurking Canadian
@burnspbesq: Those boys in Ohio promise not to rape any more girls. No need to jail them. The objective was achieved.
Cassidy
@some guy: Wow. I seem to have struck a nerve. Nice little pretend fauxtrage you got going there. Were you slapped in the face and thrown under a bus? You’re not fooling anyone.
Joel (Macho Man Randy Savage)
@mikeyes: I think you lost the thread when you started to make comparisons between gun restrictions to segregation laws and the KKK. Calmly explained.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen:
Too funny.
Corner Stone
@Cassidy: Wow.
danimal
All the public pronouncements from congress-critters are worth less than a penny, but occasionally they slip up and hint at the truth. Here’s Sen. McGrumpypants, letting slip that he knows the Great Holy Crusade in Iraq was a true fustercluck. Talking about immigration, McGrumpypants said,
Even the war-mongering merchant of death from AZ knows there was very, very little good that came out his war of choice.
Cassidy
@Corner Stone: Yeah, i think I hurt your boyfriends feelings. You should go to him.
different-church-lady
Oh for fuck sake, have we really finally sunk to “You’re gonna get it from Dad when he gets home!” bullshit? Or are you people just imitating the debating tactics of a nine year old for the specific reason that everyone else will be extra annoyed by it?
Corner Stone
@Cassidy: I don’t really care for you very much either but that’s an unusually poor decision you made.
edited some
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@danimal: a kind of bloody, lethal, three-trillion dollar echo of “the space program brought us TANG!”
Southern Beale
Interesting post by BooMan about the collapse of the Republican Party, well worth a read. He says:
Good points, and 2014 is going to be fucking critical for us, too.
Ted & Hellen
@different-church-lady:
Fuck off. The innocent act doesn’t fly.
Assidy specifically threatened to take his BJ hatred of me into RL. That’s a no no and you know it.
Southern Beale
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
See my link above regarding the BooMan story, it’s about the Republican Party in Texas. Would love to hear a Texan’s view …
Gin & Tonic
What a fucking cesspool of a thread.
different-church-lady
@Ted & Hellen: Ah, so it’s the second thing then.
Knockabout
@different-church-lady: As I noted above the OP seems to have gone there first. Direct your outrage accordingly.
SatanicPanic
@Knockabout:
That’s a common right wing trope, but seriously, who in real life pronounces it this way?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Gin & Tonic:
We’re hosting regionals for the NCAA troll tournament. March Madness comes to BJ, as it were. I don’t know about you, but my brackets are pretty well trashed already.
different-church-lady
@Knockabout: OMG, you are aware that parents have been hearing “He started it!” from the back seat since the day the station wagon was invented, yes?
Knockabout
@Gin & Tonic: What Zandar or ABL thread isn’t?
Corner Stone
@Southern Beale: I find fault with his conclusions. I’ve long made the case here, repeatedly, that Texas will not even be shading purple until at best 2020. People consistently misunderstand two key elements 1)Hispanics in TX and 2)Embedded corruption of the TX D Party.
There is no single act that’s going to unify the not-even-loose-coalition that is the Hispanic population in TX. Not in a good way and not in a bad way.
Only time and hard, lots of hard fucking work, will rid us of the plague that is the Good Ol Boys network of the entrenched, corrupt and lazy TX D monolith. And I do mean monolithic. They may be corrupt and not motivated to fight any of their good R friends but you just try and stick your toe in the little puddle. The alligator that jumps your ass won’t easily be forgotten.
NR
@Gin & Tonic: When a thread starts with a post like Zandar’s, it really has nowhere to go but down.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: Kind of like threatening me with lawyers?
different-church-lady
@NR: Methinks you don’t understand how that expression works.
NR
@Mnemosyne:
Hmm, I seem to remember the Republicans doing a lot of bad shit and the Democrats fighting them as hard as they could, every step of the way.
Oh, wait. That’s not what happened in reality, that’s what happened in your delusional mind. In reality, the Republicans did a lot of bad shit and the Democrats enabled and supported most of it. Okay, glad we cleared that up.
Amir Khalid
@Ted & Hellen:
By not stopping you when you hijack comment threads just to pick fights, John Cole gives you too much face as it is.
Knockabout
Just so you know what Zandar’s “noble intentions” were with this post…
https://twitter.com/zandarvts/status/315101801168904192
FlipYrWhig
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
Really? From where I’m sitting, looks like all the top troll seeds are living up to the troll hype.
Jay in Oregon
@geg6:
But by pointing it out that makes YOU the real racist! /wingnut
Yutsano
@Knockabout: So you stalk him on Twitter too? You need help dude.
@Amir Khalid: Apparently we all need to treat Special Timmeh like the delicate flower he is or else he’ll go crying to Daddy Cole about how MEEEEAN we are to him.
Knockabout
@Yutsano: Because tweets are so hard to find and aren’t public. Get over yourself.
Ted & Hellen
@Amir Khalid:
You poor, delicate dear. Someone hijacked your thread somewhere…
Amir Khalid
@Yutsano:
I wonder if Daddy Cole has had a little talk with Timmeh about how important it is to play nice with the other kids. Or maybe he did, and Timmeh was too Special to listen.
Ted & Hellen
@Yutsano:
No ass wipe, you just need to keep yours and your butt buddy Assidy’s Intertroll grudges out of meat space, that’s all.
Pretty simple, actually.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Yutsano: You think when people mock him, he does Bush-like self -portraits of himself as a sad clown, in colored macaroni noodles?
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s a good creative idea. If Timmeh goes with it, he should pay you.
Yutsano
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think macaroni art is an underrated medium. There is some potential there indeed.
I was mean to Special Timmeh. I hope he e-mails Cole about that. With all caps cuz I’m just so MEEEEAN!!
FlipYrWhig
@Yutsano: @Amir Khalid: Another advantage of selling macaroni art to Deadheads. Munchies.
White Trash Liberal
I love it when NR makes a Very Special “Both Sides Do It” appearance.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: Man, you are really afraid that one of the hundreds, possibly thousands, of regular commenters will publicly expose your online nastiness. I woulnd’t do it, I don’t have time for that, but man you’re getting meaner and nastier.
Seanly
What does making the sequestration permanent mean? Congress can’t tie the hands of future Congresses. They’ll still have to do another budget (or probably a continuing resolution) for next year. Any Congress can pass whatever budget they want with whatever increases or cuts.
I just wish that something would change to make our country operate less disfunctionally. And while I know that the deficit & debt limit bitching would go away as soon as a Republican became President, that’s not the change that I want. The change I would prefer involves the right removing their head from a certain deep, dark orifice.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
I am enjoying your comments subsequent to my emailing Cole, in which you are ever so not subtly trying to walk back your threats. “I would never do it…”
Nervous?
Let’s have YOUR RL name and contact info, right now. What do you have to fear? You’re never nasty here.
Bobby Thomson
@Knockabout: You are so fucking done, Knockabout.
Bobby Thomson
@Ted & Hellen: Pederast says what?
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: I didn’t walk anything back. All I’ve said is “wouldn’t be funny if someone…” lol As usual, you’re making assumptions based on your ignorance. Paranoid a little?
You know what would be really hysterical is if potential customers got to see how you might think the rape of a 12 y/o could be enjoyable. That would be some karmic justice. Of course, with so many people who think you’re a steaming pile of shit, it could be anyone. I’m a busy guy myself, but man, that’d be funny.
I’ve never hidden my info. You can find my email address; a couple of commenters have emailed me before. My fears don’t include you pedobear. You should send Cole another email. He loves that shit. Make sure you use caps so he knows you’re serious.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cassidy: Dumb move. You just handed a troll something he can claim as a legitimate grievance.
@Ted & Hellen: Dude, you are simply an asshole. No redeeming qualities at all. I know you claim a relationship with Cole wherein he sees some value to your commenting here, but, if that is the case, it is simply one of areas in which he is dead wrong.
Cassidy
@Omnes Omnibus: Like I said, man, it wouldn’t be me. I don’t have the time to spend on the pedophile defender and rape apologist. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in the future does it, though. He’s such a smarmy little shit and thought all was well and good if he thought he could hawk his wares.
Bobby Thomson
@SatanicPanic: Racists. QED.
Amir Khalid
@Ted & Hellen:
Or you’ll do what? You’ve already demanded that Cole ban Cassidy, or so you say. It is hypocrisy to demand that people be banned for revealing your real name, and later on demand that others reveal their own real names and contact information. Unless, of course, you’re okay with being banned yourself.
Corner Stone
@Amir Khalid: You seem to be wildly missing the point.
I have no issue calling Cassidy a pig fucking fascist authoritarian, and letting him know I wouldn’t mind if he drowned in a puddle of his own urine. Not at issue.
I would never take blog to IRL interaction and don’t shimmy sham me with BS that wasn’t exactly what the threat was. That is beyond the pale, unless you’re a right wing nutjob.
Tonal Crow
As usual, the best answer is to pressure your governments. Call them, write them, write letters to the editor, march in the streets, all that jazz.
FlipYrWhig
Cassidy is more intimidating than Gene Sperling!
Amir Khalid
@Corner Stone:
You’re apparently replying to me in Ted & Hellen’s virtual voice. Am I to draw the obvious conclusion?
Corner Stone
@Amir Khalid: Sure, if you’re an idiot. I happen to have an interest in this topic, and felt like commenting. I would disagree with Cassidy’s approach whomever the target was.
Ted & Hellen
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t give a shit what you think, OO. Just as you claim to feel the same about me.
But I don’t carry my opinions about fellow commenters here into RL. It’s a pretty clear and reasonable line.
Assidy gets his fee fees hurt because he’s a fat, lazy sack of shit who comments at BJ when he’s hiding from his boss, as he’s stated here on more than one occasion. He just hates that I remind him of that.
And really, since he feels free to call me a pedophile and rape enabler, I don’t think “fat” is really all that mean in return, do you?
Scamp Dog
@MomSense: Yes, well, I seem to remember being told that Hillary was a sure thing in 2008. There’s no reason to believe these predictions are any more accurate. Heck, I’m not even convinced she’ll run, much less win the nomination.
Let’s give the presidential race a rest until 2015 or so, OK? 2014 is what we need to be thinking about and working toward.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
You just don’t know when to stop do you. This could be interesting…
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: I called Cassidy’s comment a dumb move earlier, but it was also the wrong thing to do and I should have said that as well. T&H is an unmitigated shit, but that isn’t an excuse.
Ted & Hellen
@Amir Khalid:
You’re just not very smart, are you?
It’s one thing to reveal another’s meat space name without their consent. Quite another to ask that one reveal one’s own, as I’ve asked Assidy to do since he’s so brave these days.
And fat and lazy and hiding from his boss in his promising career.
Ted & Hellen
@Omnes Omnibus:
T&H is an unmitigated shit, but that isn’t an excuse.
HEY! I do TOO have mitigation!
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: Some people here don’t seem to care when it’s not “their guy”, and would love nothing better than hanging it over someone’s head. I am not ok with that. I wasn’t cool with it when Sooner posted the IP addresses of someone he didn’t recognize and I wasn’t cool with it when some chastised Hall Monitor Allan with his IRL info.
Which is why you’re Omnes and I am Corner. Bunch of assholes round here.
Pinkamena Panic
Just give it a few more hours and Cole will be by to ban Timmeh’s stupid ass again.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: As usual, you’re right on top of it champ.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: The difference being that “fat” isn’t true. But we have written proof of your defense of pedophiles and being an apologist for rapists. lol
You’re a liar. You threatened to sic your lawyer on me for calling you a pedophile defender.
I didn’t reveal your name. You did that. You’re the one who made everyone here aware of who you are when you thought you could ride Cole’s tacky taste to some sales. I’ve never actually said your real name ever. It’s not that important to me. The reality is your a nasty, spiteful little shit and one day, someone will go out of their way to make you regret it. Today is not that day and I am not that someone. But you’re welcome for the PSA. Maybe you should consider trying to be a decent human being. I doubt it, though. You’ll continue being you.
@Corner Stone: Oh give it up. You’re the last person with any kind of moral high ground.
Corner Stone
@Cassidy: Who are you to lecture anyone, about anything, you fucking thug?
Cassidy
@Corner Stone: About as equal as you. I don’t pretend otherwise.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
Pathetic. yet another passive aggressive threat.
GET OFF THE INTERNET AND DO SOME WORK FOR YOUR BOSS before she comes back and catches you, fatso.
FlipYrWhig
@Corner Stone: I didn’t know all comments were supposed to be constructive and on-topic now. How ’bout those Texans?
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: You should write more emails. The more the better. Cole is happiest when you send him a bunch.
No threat. Just looking out for you. You shouldn’t be so nervous and paranoid. It’s not good for the blood pressure. Take a step back and ask yourself why you’re such a disgusting organic thing pretending to be a human being. Maybe you should go away for a while and let your nastiness disappear down the rabbit hole. Maybe you’ll come back a new and better person. And maybe I’ll win the lottery.
But, yeah. One day you’ll definitely piss of the wrong person. But today is not today and I am not that person. Good luck.
cckids
@Yutsano:
Did you people all watch Glee last night?
I’d say OT, but what’s the point?
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: No, it’s just that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Cassidy actually has and does threaten people with IRL harm or in my case physical assault IRL.
But tell us, what is it that Gene said that we should be talking about instead?
I am not a kook
@Ted & Hellen:
Yeah, it terribly unfair that he quotes your own writing here. There should be a law!
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: Oh, and the Texans are looking way up this year. Ed Reed and a healthy JJ Watt and a back and healthy Brian Cushing!
Now just need Schaub to not zone out those couple times per game.
And I’d take a rookie burner WR also in the draft in a later round. We seem to pick good ones but don’t keep them very long.
Cassidy
@Corner Stone: You know what, you keep bringing that up and I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago.
I’m sorry. It was inappropriate. I sincerely apologize. No qualifiers. Nothing about our mutual dislike. I simply should not have said it.
FlipYrWhig
@Corner Stone: I’m not talking about anything relevant. I was making a (bad) joke about perceptions of threat, calling back to the Bob Woodward-Gene Sperling thing from a few weeks ago. I don’t follow any of this stuff about who’s being a dick to whom. I got caught up in it before (remember?) and regretted it.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: And also, I really think Schaub was hurt the last half of the season and no one ever told us. he was really spooked in the pocket the last 6 games or so. Either like he was hurt and protecting himself or he was scared to death of getting hurt and missing the playoffs again.
He just wasn’t the same QB in the bottom third of the regular season. So I hope that’s a little better.
different-church-lady
@Ted & Hellen:
He really deserves passive prosecution for that. “IRL.”
different-church-lady
@FlipYrWhig:
To be fair, so is wet tissue paper.
Cassidy
@different-church-lady: I don’t claim it. I’m a happy fun ball of love and sunshine.
different-church-lady
@Cassidy:
Ewwww.
FlipYrWhig
@Cassidy: Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
ranchandsyrup
Since our self-appointed ombudsman left, I’m submitting this to Steve Wilkos. *Fingers crossed*
Yutsano
@ranchandsyrup: Is that show even on anymore?
ranchandsyrup
@Yutsano: It’s on right now where I live. He just told some people to get the hell off his stage.
Yutsano
@ranchandsyrup: Wow. I thought he was long in the dustbin of cancelled shows.
ranchandsyrup
@Yutsano: He could solve the faux emoprog v. obototron problems. Tell some people to get off of his stage. Lie detector tests. Maybe we’ll all learn something?
MomSense
@NR:
Nope, BS. I spoke with Olympia Snowe about it right after her meeting with Baucus. I don’t even care where you read this but I know for a fact that it is BS.
I could give you the details of her proposal, what Baucus proposed and why and what the White House said to her. She told me.
David Koch
Elizabeth Warren HAS SOLD YOU OUT!
She’s worst than Bush!
She’s Bush’s 4th term!
David Koch
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAH
David Koch
@some guy:
not too hard when you have a DLC-CorporateDem-BlueDog-ConservaDem-NeoCon-LapDog like Eliazbeth Warren to roll over and play dead.
NR
@MomSense: It was confirmed by Tom Daschle, publicly. The deal to kill the public option happened, just like the deal to kill drug re-importation.
The only BS is people trying to deny the reality of what happened.
David Koch
I didn’t think Elizabeth Warren would amount to anything, after all, she was a Republican most of her life, casting her first vote for Nixon and voting for Reagan twice, but she turned out to be worse than that idiot Scott brown. At least Brown was against drones while Professor Warren loves to murder brown children.
Paula
Pieing works for the peace. Like, literally, half this thread is about pie. You all are missing the real fun.
sparrow
@Corner Stone: I know this thread is probably dead and burried by now, but just wanted to comment RE: texas dems. A few are good, like the last 2 mayors of Houston. At least that was my impression.
Anna in PDX
I have been reading this blog for years and I still don’t know if the “firebaggers” who post here are real people with real views or clever right wing trolls. Most of the most extreme lefty people I know understand how our political system works and try to work within it and don’t agree with these phantoms of the internet that this makes us complete and utter tools. I can dislike Obama’s centrism and still work and donate and vote in order for him to beat Romney. And I can still be happier about voting for Warren. And yes sometimes she’ll have to vote for a bill that contains stupid shit. This is the World’s Most Dysfunctional Deliberative Body (is that what Charles Pierce calls it?) after all.
So David Koch, Ben Franklin, etc. are you guys for real? Because of course “more and better Dems” is the only strategy we have. (I was a two time Nader voter and know whereof I speak)
Cassidy
@Anna in PDX: I think David is trolling our firebaggers.
Michael Keyes
@Joel (Macho Man Randy Savage): I suppose that the KKK reference was a little over the top, but it is a time in history that I lived through having grown up in the south during he ’60s and that is what it reminded me of.
But the rest ot this thread more or less proves my point that this is a cultural issue that is not going to be resolved until people actually sit down and discuss solutions based on their mutual agreement concerning the need to curb violence and to respect one another. Trolls on both sides will predominate in an internet environment, even one such as this one that started out with a reasonable premise that making law is hard and requires compromise.
xian
@different-church-lady: because without the cover of daddy’s patronage our feeblest troll would have to face its complete uselessness in this space.
xian
@different-church-lady: it doesn’t seem to understand the RL is real, and B-J is not.
xian
@SatanicPanic: it’s from a meme
xian
@Amir Khalid: watch now as it parrots back the latest words it’s hearing and talks about vague third-persons highjacking a thread “somewhere” — the personality disorder almost screams.
xian
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: no, but pretty sure he likes to talk about asses a lot
OzoneR
@gene108:
some politicians lead, they tend to be the ones who lose elections or are marginalized.
You can’t tell me Liz Warren doesn’t lead. The question is, does anyone follow?