Open Thread: Another Rebranding Opportunity

Why I love Doghouse Riley:

ACTUAL quote from actual human being Lisa Green concerning two convictions for rape where charges, let alone convictions, might not have obtained but for the posting of cellphone images:

But y’know in the end, a cautionary tale for teenagers and their parents: memorializing your every move and then sharing it with people on the web can be a tragic mistake for everyone involved.”

“A reminder tonight for parents and sexually-active teenagers: condoms do more than just protect against unwanted pregnancy.”

“But y’know in the end, a cautionary tale about choosing a sturdy limb before tying someone to it.”

“It can’t be stressed enough: the modern garbage disposal is not powerful enough for human remains.”

Hey, maybe we could get the two perps to make a PSA! “Don’t rape. But if you do rape, don’t spread pictures all around your school. I learned my lesson the hard way.”…

Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, what’s on the agenda today?

60 replies
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    WereBear says:

    I am enjoying my coffee from a giant Balloon Juice mug!

    But Mr WereBear has been making covetous noises. We might have to get another one…

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    Ramalama says:

    Drinkin’ green tea because it’s good for me; eating some chocolate chips to cancel out the green tea. Snow blowing. Fire going. Sick dog who woke me at 4am and you’re only just now posting something? What I mean to say is – What took you so long?? :)

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    Ramalama says:

    Oh yeah, and I learn from a friend in Ireland (he’s been up for hours…) is that Michelle Shocked, who’s, yes, only had that one hit, but who’s given great live performances esp one where she was just one of the musicians playing live for Mark Morris dance performance in Boston? That Michelle Shocked has declared the end of the world if gays are allowed to marry. Gone full tilt the other way. In a religiously nut infused manner, shall we say.

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    Schlemizel says:


    We had a very nasty snow storm here yesterday followed by 40 MPH winds. truly a spring time delight.

    Makes me appreciate that BJ is a virtual community so I don’t have to actually restrain myself from kicking those people who are talking about planting their garden right in their smug little balls! B-{D

    Off to the salt mines, its party week though as the boss is out of town all week. That means no more covering for him till he stumbles in about 10:30. Although he did drop an assignment on me yesterday that he has had for a couple of weeks & done nothing with, the good news it is due today instead of a week ago as usual.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    So you have a pointy-haired boss?

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    Dan says:

    @Ramalama: Michelle Shocked, whose audience is heavily lesbian? Lots of Short Sharp Shocked cds are going to be thrown out!

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    brantl says:

    ACTUAL quote from actual human being

    … The ‘being’ I’ll grant you, the ‘human’ part? Not so much. Jesus, what a reptile.

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    Phylllis says:

    Phase one of state standardized testing in grades 3-8 starts today here in SC. State law is clear on the fact that it is a test security violation for teachers or other school personnel to discuss actual testing items with students or with one another. Evidence of such has led to teachers being publically rebuked or having their teaching license suspended by the state board. Yet my folks stare at me as if I have two heads when I remind them of that. When I make an example of one of their sorry asses, I bet they’ll take me seriously. /rant.

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    Ramalama says:

    @Dan: Not sure it was a snark, but just so you know…I was one of her queer girl fans. I’d seen her perform maybe 5 times. When she played for Mark Morris, it was for one of the most swishy gays in the art world. Swishy in the most excellent way.

    @Schlemizel: is your boss the sabateur who makes work 10x more worky because he doesn’t know what he’s doing?

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    chopper says:

    i hate the media so much these days.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Schlemizel: I’m bummed about our snow. I need the ground to warm up. It needs to get to 64 degrees 8 inches down so that the cicadas will come out. Mainly so that they’ll make lots of noise that we can talk about at work.

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    Cygil says:

    In all fairness I think this is more a matter of the reflexive desire of journalists to find some way to blame TEH EVIL INTERNET!!! than a desire of Lisa Green to help rapists get away with rape. It is poetic justice that she ended up putting her foot in her mouth with that quote.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @brantl: Sorry for my ignorance, but is Lisa Green someone I should have heard of? I don’t see a link or source for that imbecilic quote.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    Someone at the gym made that same comment about what a mistake it was to post the video on the internet. I had no idea how to respond. I chose to believe they were stunned by the stupidity of posting it–like only your friends would see it and cheer you on, not anyone who might object.

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    bd of mn says:

    I’m less bummed about the snow than that it’s currently 8 frickin’ degrees out with a 15mph wind, putting the windchil at -10. This also means at least one of my dumbass fb friends is going to post a “what global warming?” comment that will make me grind my teeth….

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    raven says:


    Lisa Green is a legal analyst and senior producer for NBC News.

    A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, Lisa was a reporter for Dow Jones, contributing to The Wall Street Journal and Barron’s, then attended law school at New York University while working as a reporter and columnist for The National Law Journal. After graduation, Lisa worked for Debevoise & Plimpton in New York, litigating cases involving securities fraud, employment law, First Amendment, new media and copyright claims, before joining NBC as a lawyer for the news division in 1996.

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    jibeaux says:

    It’s as if we’ve had so many cases of guys taking shots of their junk on their phones that it’s like our go-to tut tut now. I just don’t understand how someone can’t recognize that this is a totally, utterly, different situation.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven: Thanks. I did Google, briefly, but there were quite a few different people with that name so I didn’t spend much time on it.

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    Eric U. says:

    I think they should be encouraging people to post videos of themselves performing criminal acts. Sorta like the people posting death threats to the victim of this crime. You don’t have to email the link to the police, just use your real name

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    I would say “good morning”, but the white trash piling up in my driveway tells me a different story. Sigh. The pitfalls of living in a blue state down here in New England.

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    Poopyman says:

    Well, at least some parts of the MSM (if you can call the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette mainstream) is reporting on the CNN-fueled outrage. And if you have Ohio AG Mike DeWine calling for empathy for the victim maybe you’d better revisit your stance.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @IowaOldLady: #14

    . . . what a mistake it was to post the video on the internet

    It was stupid. Really stupid. I wonder if one of the crew, at some level, wanted to get caught and posted the video so that would happen.

    If this is the case, then that young man has a real chance of growing into a worthwhile person.

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    Nunca el Jefe says:

    @raven:this is what I read from your comment:

    A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, Lisa
    was a reporter for Dow Jones, contributing to The
    Wall Street Journal and Barron’s, then attended law
    school at New York University while working as a
    raper and columnist for The National Law

    I am clearly not quite right, yet, this morning.

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    Poopyman says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: You’ve got a bunch of beat up late model pickup trucks with be-mulleted drivers in wifebeaters collecting in your driveway?

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    greennotGreen says:

    I have two things to say:

    One, since I shared with the BJ community when I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, I now want to share that at my six-week chemo follow-up I was declared cancer-free! However, the odds are still about 50/50 that it will be the thing that kills me since it often recurs. But as of now, I’m still on the right side of those odds!

    Two, this whole media-focusing on the boys and not the victim: it reminds me of a bit I heard on On Point when Tom Ashbrook asked the reporter whether there had been two much coverage of the repoping. “Oh no,” she said. “This story had everything – the visuals with the white smoke, the backdrop of the Vatican, the stories of the individuals who might be chosen!” You know what else has good visuals, backdrop, and individual stories? Dancing with the Stars. What she didn’t answer because she hadn’t thought about it was, “Is it important?”

    Same thing with the boys. The reporters could show them on TV. They knew their stories. They were *accessible* and therefore, they became the story, not the rape culture that abetted the crime and the criminally negligent reporting.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Poopyman: You’re welcome. Ba Da Boom. Rim shot.

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    NotMax says:

    Pipe burst under very elderly landlady’s house on Monday.

    Would have done the job myself for her, but the space is so tight that I couldn’t properly get to it. Did manage to wriggle underneath the house to the shut-off valve.

    Plumber (thin and lanky) had no problem. Got to her place less than an hour after she phoned.

    She was complaining that he charged her a grand total (including providing receipts for cost of parts he had to go to the store to buy) of $80 for roughly 2 hours’ work. I finally convinced her the charge was not only reasonable, but practically astonishing.

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    Keith G says:


    I just don’t understand how someone can’t recognize that this is a totally, utterly, different situation.

    In every possible human activity, there will always be those folk – the “someone” you refer to above.

    Some are touched by malice, others are just stupid. Beyond that, I am not sure that there are any greater generalization to be made. It’s the variety and wonder of the human condition.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Ramalama: Sounds like someone has been steeped in the bible.

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    greennotGreen says:

    @Ramalama: Yeah, I’m really sad about Michelle Shocked – I liked her. Maybe she has a degenerative disease of the brain.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @Southern Beale:

    I am so sorry SB.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Southern Beale: Ah, SB. So sorry for you. The good times are always worth the years, but it’s always hard at the end.

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    NotMax says:

    @Keith G

    It’s the variety and wonder of the human condition.

    As Cervantes wrote in Don Quixote, four centuries ago, de todo ha de haber en el mundo: “It takes all sorts to make a world.”

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    La Caterina (Mrs. Johannes) says:

    @Southern Beale: My condolences on the loss of your beautiful, beloved Cleo. We Juicers will be thinking of you. It’s a hard decision to let go of a cherished companion.

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    Cassidy says:

    @greennotGreen: Very cool.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Southern Beale: Sorry for your loss.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    more pointy-headed. This guy makes Dilberts boss look pretty reasonable

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    WereBear says:

    @Southern Beale: I’m sorry. She had many happy years with you… those are the ones which fly by.

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    rea says:

    One of these kids was convicted of child pornography as well as rape, for taking the pictures and putting them on the internet, so pointing out that taking the pictures was a mistake (in the sense of, a major felony) was not completely misguided.

    Teenagers need to know that, even if the age of consent for sex is 16, the age of consent for sexually explict pictures is 18. A case in wich the victim wasn’t raped would make a better teaching moment for this, though.

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    ricky says:

    Why I love Doghouse Riley too….

    In fairness, much of that time must have gone into figuring how to avoid any suggestion that charges might not’ve been brought at all if it weren’t for outside agitation; in the end they just had Lester announce it


    After noting the stupidity of Lisa Green and others in the media, Doghouse proves stupidity isn’t confined to Steubenville or MSM studios.

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    handsmile says:

    @Southern Beale:

    My condolences on this sad occasion for the Beale family. It was your love for Cleo that made it possible for you to make that courageous and sorrowful decision.

    A half-dozen Jalapeno bagels!? There must have been a messy ending to that story. I hope all those happy memories, photographs, and the like of your years together will be some comfort.

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    the Conster says:

    CNN just ran the mother’s statement asking to imagine if her daughter was your daughter or sister or friend, without any self-awareness or mention of “media” coverage at all. Shocking, I know.

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    Citizen_X says:

    On topic: here’s a good comment, on a sign from a male protestor in Delhi: “Don’t tell your daughter not go out, tell your son to behave properly.

    Hard to improve on that.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Condolences on your loss.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Citizen_X: That comment should be posted on the wall of every high school classroom everywhere…

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    CaseyL says:

    @Southern Beale: Condolences, Southern Beale. She was a lovely ladydog.

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    El Cid says:

    ‘These promising young men were cut off from their future and our community was robbed of their brilliant Yahtzee performances because they all too casually posted photos of themselves getting wild at a party, and in one of those drunken young impulses, strangling and dismembering a few of their less-liked elderly neighbors. It’s a tragic mistake which should serve as a warning for all.’

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    handsmile says:

    @El Cid:

    Your evisceration of this blog’s currently most persistent troll on John Cole’s “Onion” post last night was one of the most memorable comments I’ve read in my almost three years of participation here. (I don’t believe I’d ever read his full irredeemable quotation before.)

    Your two comments were ruthless, savagely funny, and definitive. For that, sir or madam, I thank you.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Southern Beale: it’s the worst. Hang in.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @the Conster:

    Well, I’m reminded of a scene in “A Time to Kill” in which the defense attorney asks the jury to imagine that the little girl who was attacked was not black, but a little white girl, and how they’d react to that.

    Empathy. There’s so little of it around, and it’s so sorely needed.

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    satby says:

    @Southern Beale: So sorry, SB
    And so happy for Cleo that she was rescued and loved.

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    marshall says:

    I think it is good advice. Taking and posting such photos may be consensual (by the parties involved) but lead to serious consequences later. I think that is much more common than cases of out-and-out rape.

    I wonder if people have heard of the sad case of the 16 year old shot by a neighbor when he drunkenly entered the wrong house at 2:00 AM. I see this as a tragedy all around, as likely to ruin the neighbor’s life as that of his parents. The comments on the Post, however, are mostly ridiculous BS from gun-nuts. These immature twits (or NRA plants) have no idea what causing a tragedy such as this can do to a person.

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    marshall says:

    Oh, and in truly important news, the White House Easter Egg Roll will not be eaten by the sequester after all !

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    Ben says:

    @Southern Beale:
    So sorry for your loss. You gave Cleo a good home and she appreciated it until the end.

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    KS in MA says:

    @greennotGreen: Congratulations on being cancer-free; that’s wonderful!

    And, that reporter’s remark about the great visuals in the Pope story is a classic. You’re so right that whatever is visual becomes the story.

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    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    memorializing your every move and then sharing it with people on the web can be a tragic mistake for everyone involved.

    There are no words.

    There are, however, baseball bats.

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    fuckwit says:

    This stuff infuriates me. I hate it when people apologize for GETTING CAUGHT rather than for DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

    “I’m sorry I got caught” is the worst kind of non-apology, worse than “I’m sorry if anyone was offended”.

    There is nothing more fundamentally sociopathic than feeling self-pity (“I’m sorry I got caught”, and “I’m sorry you yelled at me” both fit into that category) for having wronged someone else. It’s completely lacking in empathy, and it shows no actual remorse.

    And here we have the media doing the apologizing FOR the perpetrators.

    The media is not sorry that a girl was raped. No, not at all. The media is sorry that the rapists got caught. WHAT THE SCREAMING FUCK??!

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: So, contractor and workmen?

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