Late Night Open Thread

The other night I was lying in bed and I had “Tusk” running through my head because I had been watching the THOROUGHLY AWESOME tv show the Americans, and that had been featured in the first show. So I got my fat ass up, went and added Fleetwood Mac – Rumors (yes pedants, I know Tusk was on the album… Tusk) to my mac mini’s playlist for my iphone and ipad, synced them, went to bed, and cranked Rumours for an hour over the Bose.

It was kind of like an epiphany, like the first time you heard Ode to Joy or (in my case), Little Feat or the Dead. It must have been ten years since I listened to it start and stop and I began to wonder, has the digital revolution really killed AOR?

No one listening to a Carly Rae Jepsen one hit wonder thinking they have it figured out music wise will ever understand. No one will remember the tapestries across ceilings and throwing shit at people who skip the lp and that awful fucking incense that smelled like smashed assholes. That was a good thing, when albums had a theme and were more than just some young country harlot bitching about how someone left her at the alter. Again. And again.


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118 replies
  1. 1
    Loneoak says:

    A rant after my own heart. If you can’t make an album that stands up as an album, you ain’t a real musician.

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    Misterpuff says:

    The Americans – Yea!

    That show is done so well and keeps getting better.

    The show makes me wish glasnost and the fall of the evil empire didn’t happen – not.

    But it is cool that they have us rooting for the bad guys. Well, a little.

    “Better Luck Next Time”

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    r€nato says:

    These days most popular music ain’t worth stealing


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    Alison says:

    I <3 you, you grumpy old bastard :)

    If you *really* want some pedantry – it's actually Rumours. And what a damn good album.

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    Ash Can says:

    Throat Warbler Mangrove.

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    r€nato says:

    Your ‘birthday’ post was very touching. Thx for sharing it.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    has the digital revolution really killed AOR?

    OF COURSE IT FUCKING HAS. Don’t get me started because I could bitch about the shitty state of modern pop music for HOURS.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    I don’t think much has changed. A lot of music is produced every year, most of it, whether it is put out by the record companies or not, is crap. A few good things show up every now and then.

    Jeopardy made me laugh the other day: One of the answers was about this female musician writing about her breakup, “Again.” When the “Again” is the give away in the clue, it’s time to rethink your path. Or maybe not. No Doubt’s music went to crap after Gwen got married.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    I watched the documentary on the Cowsills the other night. I liked it so much I watched it the next night.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Americans is great.

    It has the BG seal of approval.

    I had to turn away when Margot Martindale got punched out, but what other show would EVER do that?


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    Splitting Image says:

    I don’t know. There is a lot to be said for the single as a complete work of music.

    For example, tonight I was listening to Handel’s harpsichord suites and it is fascinating how each set has a fairly standard structure but each individual piece can be treated as an entirely separate entity, like “the Harmonious Blacksmith” and the sarabande that Kubrick used in Barry Lyndon.

    I’m much fonder of that era than the progressive classical period that followed, when people like Beethoven started catering to the AOS (album-oriented symphony) crowd. Every symphony seemed to get longer and longer until finally the last one was over an hour long.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    I don’t know. Auto tune guarantees that the truly beautiful can push aside the talented. If you can’t be both, go for beauty. I wish my mom hasn’t spent so much time talking about how it’s what’s on the inside that counts. Although, looking at photos of me as a kid, I probably didn’t leave her many options.

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    James E. Powell says:

    Back in the late 70s, my punk days, my friends and I made fun of people who liked Fleetwood Mac. There was, after all, only one bad that mattered.

    Now I listen to the first Fleetwood Mac with Buckingham & Nicks, Rumours, and Tusk and think Damn!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @James E. Powell: I said something like that here a few months ago and got jumped on with both feet.

    With time, one can see where each band fits into the progression of music.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Splitting Image: The patrons demanded longer and longer pieces for entertaining their guests plus the public wanted more music for the cost of a ticket. This resulted in Wagner writing 18 hours of opera that strained his singers.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Splitting Image:

    I don’t know. There is a lot to be said for the single as a complete work of music.

    I’m with you. My favorite genre is power pop.

    When you’ve got a song as perfect as Thirteen the album doesn’t really need to be an “album”.

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    Violet says:

    No one will remember the tapestries across ceilings and throwing shit at people who skip the lp and that awful fucking incense that smelled like smashed assholes.

    I remember those dorm rooms.

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    Wag says:

    There have been a few great albums since the turn of the century. Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots comes mind. But the album is a now a pretty endangered.

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    Tokyokie says:

    I like how after that Fleetwood Mac album, Graham Parker’s backup band put out an LP entitled Max. Cheeky bastards.

    And I just watched the pilot for The Americans this week, and thought that the use of Tusk was pretty innovative, not the usual evoke-a-mood-with-an-overused-oldie that films and TV employ.

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    Splitting Image says:


    This resulted in Wagner writing 18 hours of opera that strained his singers.

    The Teutonic reputation for brutality is well-founded.

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    Lavocat says:

    Give me some early Floyd, Tull or Crimson and a bong and I’m good to go. Specifically, put on some Ummagumma and drop a little. Watch the walls melt. Again. Doooooooooooooooooooooooooood!

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    MeDrewNotYou says:

    Can you imagine Dark Side of the Moon succeeding nowadays? Or even The Wall, full as it is of stand-alone singles?

    Screw fixing the damage from GOP governance. Forget global warming. Even the eventual expansion of the Sun engulfing the Earth. We’ve got a real problem to fix.

    I haz a sad now.

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    Wayne t says:

    Sitting here watching tv I just realize I have been watching something called the “retirement living tv” channel for the past 2 hours. I’m not sure what this means.

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    The Red Pen says:

    Just saw They Might Be Giants. Fantastic. The opening band, Moon Hooch was mesmerizing.

    Music lives on.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Fucking whiners. The world changes. Accept it. Treasure what you had, but move forward.

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    MikeJ says:


    There have been a few great albums since the turn of the century. Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots comes mind. But the album is a now a pretty endangered.

    Janelle Monáe’s The ArchAndroid is very much an album and not just a collection of songs. I realise it’s three years old now, but it is a great modern album from beginning to end. (It actually ties in with her previous EP Metropolis, but is great stand alone too.)

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    Up in mammoth for some spring snowboarding (it’s going to be in the 50s) with the Jameson girls and some friends. Going to give my daughter her 1st ski lesson on Sunday.

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    Jack Canuck says:

    Saw a doco on Fleetwood Mac on tv a month or so ago, and thought “hey, I should pick some of that up”. I was never really into them (a child of the Cure and Bauhaus, me), but I like them more and more. Awesome musicianship, innovative work, what’s not to like? I remember an ex of mine had a fantastic Lindsey Buckingham tune on a mix tape she made for me, but damned if I can remember what it was. My latest gig was seeing Peter Murphy in January (first time in Australia, I think?). Fantastic, the old boy’s still got it in spades.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @MikeJ: we’ve only got 150 or so years of recorded/mechanical music to go by, and the album period was probably the anomality. Sure technology limited most sales to singles anyway, but the market said that an assemblage of singles is what it wants. Does anyone release 12 minute jams any longer? Not dance remixes, but just really long tracks…

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    Violet says:

    @MikeJ: There are probably plenty of good albums being made, but the music industry has changed so much that they don’t get the larger attention that the would have thirty or forty years ago. The market is much more fractured and segmented.

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    efgoldman says:

    That was a good thing, when albums had a theme and were more than just some young country harlot bitching about how someone left her at the alter. Again. And again.

    Every generation thinks its music was the best, and what followed was crap.
    For my folks, it was Glenn Miller and the Dorsey Brothers and Perry Como – although never Basie, or Ellington, or Sinatra. My mother (not a religious person) thought Elvis was the Devil himself, and the Beatles? Shit, the hair turned them off before they heard a note of the music.
    For me, of course, it was 60s folk and the Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys… I stopped listening to the radio when disco came in.
    My kid (as both her parents) is a trained musician. She got to like what we played… The Who, Simon and Garfunkel, all kinds of classical. Then she struck out on her own into Great Big C, and Moxy Fruvous, and Jonathan Coulton…
    She’ pregnant now, with our first grandchild. Anybody who has any idea what that kid is going to like is a way better prophet than I am.

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    srv says:

    Was at a Sausalito bay restaurant with the niece and nephews today and the place had what must be the weirdest muzac channel. Uncle Kracker, Bangels and some GGD interspersed with modern sad popster.

    It must be some schizoid computer algorithm. Or maybe a channel designed to cater between 40-someting tourists with teens.

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    Irish Steel says:

    Such a precise and beautiful sound, old Fleetwood Mac. I was too young in the 70s to appreciate them but lord does it bring back full-force memories of my childhood growing up in So. Cal and Phoenix AZ.

    We lived through a musical renaissance in the 20th century that, near as I can tell, is over. Glad I got to see the last bit of it.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Splitting Image:

    The Teutonic reputation for brutality is well-founded.

    Yes, but I love it to death – in moderate doses. I used to play one of the Ring operas sometimes when I did overnights – but not very often, maybe once a year or so.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: yeah, but I invested in 16 inch steel plates for my polyphon and I’m not letting go just to catch the latest trend.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why should I move on if all I’d get for it is total crap? I mean jeezus, it’s not like I’m pining for the return of the confederacy, I’m just saying pop music sucks more than it used to. Not all change is good.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Rumors, as fantastic an album as it is, is a fluke. It exists as it does because of circumstances that should not be asked to be replicated. Absurdly excessive drugs. Disastrous relationships. Infighting. Yeah, it produced something amazing (as has equally bad circumstances with other artists), but let’s not ask to be repeated. I’ll take Carly Rae Jepsen if it means my favorite artists don’t need to die from an OD or something like that.

    Also, Stevie Nicks Fajita Roundup.

    So there you go again, you say, you want burritos
    Well, I hope that you can keep them down…

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    Mnemosyne (iPhone) says:

    @The Red Pen:

    I’m going to see them in June for my birthday. Can’t wait.

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    marduk says:

    Clutch is streaming their new album this weekend. Paleo hard rock. linky. No weak tracks.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    I enjoyed Fleetwood Mac most when they were a Blues band with the incomparable Peter Green on guitar.

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    srv says:

    Every generation thinks its music was the best, and what followed was crap.

    Don’t get that at all. We listened to everything 60’s, 70’s and lower digit 80’s and 90’s. Younger kids all get the old stuff – ate it up in guitar hero.

    I really doubt this generation will pine for music from the last 10-15 years when they’re older.

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    Jason says:

    @The Red Pen: Oh my God, that is awesome. Thanks for bringing them (Moon Hooch) to my attention.

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    The Dangerman says:

    There is a Rockumentary on Rumors on Netflix (or, at least, was there); a great album and, perhaps, the most cocaine ever consumed during the production of an album (Stevie Nicks used to have a great voice back when she had normal nostrils). Famously, Fleetwood Mac reportedly wanted to list their dealer in the acknowledgements on the album, but that didn’t happen.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @srv: “damn. Fun! Is on again. I hate these damn PBS pledge drives”. – Suffern ACE, 2050 ad.

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Stevie Nicks used to have a great voice back when she had normal nostrils.

    Funny, of all the 60s and 70s rock we played around the house when my daughter was growing up, Janis Joplin would drive her right out of the room, and when she was older, out of the house. Yet to me, Cheap Thrills (Big Brother and the Holding Company) is one of my desert island rock albums.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Irish Steel:

    Exactly the song I was thinking of!

    Bob Welch had some good input too.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, I’m sure Joe Strummer would just be gushing about Carly Rae Jepsen and Justin Bieber. Punk rockers are SO WELL KNOWN for their cheerful attitude towards pop music.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Cheap Thrills remains my favorite Joplin album, but I have found that some “trained” musicians can be put off by its primitivism and warts-and-all-ness.

    ETA: Not being snarky with the quotes around trained; just meant more like formally trained rather than self-taught.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Irish Steel: You going through the ethnic changes again? I thought you were done with that a few years ago. I noticed you’re still jewish over at LG&M.

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    Irish Steel says:

    @Steeplejack: Oh, shit! That’s Fleetwood Mac too? Ha! I remember the song quite well. Never knew.

    That’s just criminally groovy.

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    efgoldman says:


    I have found that some “trained” musicians can be put off by its primitivism and warts-and-all-ness.

    mrs efgoldman and I are both classically trained and both have music degrees. It. Just. Plain. Rocks.

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    mike says:

    THis is one of the first albums my sister bought and i remember playing it over and over.

    TUSK is a special song for anyone who went to USC. The Trojan Marching Band still plays it all the time. Music builds and at the “Dont tell me that you want be” line, we all scream:

    U-C-L-A sucks!

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    The Dangerman says:

    I agree with whomever said it above; the oldsters here grew up during an amazing age of music. OK, there was some shit along the way. “It’s the final countdown” (Europe?), Flock of Seagull Shit was putrid, and Haircut 1000 or whatever the fuck they were called was abyssmal), but much classic rock from that era. Taylor Swift won’t age well (musicly or otherwise).

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    efgoldman says:


    The Trojan Marching Band still plays it all the time.

    They did a show together (Fleetwood Mac and the Trojan Band.) For some reason the DVD is a favorite of the guy who owns the diner where we eat breakfast from time to time. I have no idea why. He’s Canadian and his kids were born and raised in Rhode Island.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Irish Steel:

    Here’s the song that is forever linked with that in my mix-tape universe.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    I’m still trying to figure out why Carly Rae is getting a special call out nine months after she went away? Isn’t Katy Perry still the bigger threat?

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    Irish Steel says:

    @efgoldman: Gotta give a little love my Belfastish side too! My great grand father born exactly 100 years before me, joined the Coldstream Guards and died in WW I. If I’da been him, insteada me, this’d be my last year on earth.

    @Steeplejack: Yeah, this rings a bell too. Not as strong tho.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Irish Steel:

    My great grand father born exactly 100 years before me, joined the Coldstream Guards…

    Was he in the band?

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    Steeplejack says:


    I know. I said “some.” Maybe your daughter, as the child of two musicians, is a little starchier.

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    efgoldman says:


    Maybe your daughter, as the child of two musicians, is a little starchier.

    I think its simpler than that: she was put off, at a very young age, by a woman screaming while it sounded like she was gargling Drano(tm).

    ETA: Come to think about it, she wasn’t real fond of Rod Stewart either, possibly for the same reason.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    I’m not sensing any difference in the quality of albums nowadays. (Lots of shitty LPs were carried by a single.) What I have noticed is, over the past decade or so, music seems to be finally recovering from the overload and overuse of new instrument/recording technology that came about in the 80s.
    Good music has always been kind of a needle in a haystack thing, but I haven’t felt this good about the state of music in a long time.

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    Mnemosyne (iPhone) says:


    It’s funny because my mom always listened to what her kids listened to, and she still likes Pink Floyd, AC/DC, etc.

    Now she’s really into Fun!, which my 17-year-old niece introduced her to. So it’s not quite true that each generation only likes its own music.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Joe was Lily Allen’s godfather.

    Also, I think a categorical rejection of new things pretty much marks one as an old fogy. Some new stuff sucks. Okay. It doesn’t mean that one should simply worship the past.

    If you give me a decade where there is recorded music, I bet I can find on YouTube songs from that era that suck.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh, I absolutely agree that the valleys have always been pretty low. My gripe is that the heights aren’t as high as they used to be.

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    Irish Steel says:

    @efgoldman: Nah. He was just cannon fodder, as far as I know.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @wasabi gasp:

    Curious as to what kind of music you’re thinking of? One of my biggest bugaboos is that everything seems over-produced these days. Too much auto-tune, too many studio tricks, etc.

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    Yutsano says:

    Kids. Lawn. Off. Now.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: You are too close. Do you know how much shitty music there was in the 60s? We remember the stuff that is good. The bad gets forgotten. It will be the same with this decade. Trust me; I am old and have knowledge.

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    Rich (In Name Only) in Reno says:

    Nah Phooey. I gave up on Fleetwood Mac when Peter Green left and the girlfriends took over. Listen to “Live in Boston” and mourn for the glory that was lost.

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    Suzanne says:

    LOVE Fleetwood Mac. They’re really my mom’s time, not mine, but so great.

    “Speakerboxxx/The Love Below” and “The Marshall Mathers LP” stand out as great albums to me. And “The Crane Wife”.

    “Graceland” is my favorite.

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    The Dangerman says:


    Kids. Lawn. Off. Now.

    Damn straight; also, we need to make this a No Trojan Zone (hate Tusk and sunglass wearing marching bands).

    Ran into Mick Fleetwood in a Costco a couple years ago; he has a winery someplace in the neighborhood (Central CA Coast). A cool Dude (and pretty good wine as I recall).

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    mike says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Fight On! ;)

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Comrade Mary:

    I have unashamedly loved that song since the day I first heard it.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: yeah. But that over produced pop gets same response that it did 40 years ago. Screaming and crying. That’s the problem. You might not be finding highs because you aren’t creating those conditions for yourself. Where you want some kind of rush or emotional release from the songs.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Rich (In Name Only) in Reno:

    I’ll just listen to Boston. :)

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    Yutsano says:

    @The Dangerman: Trying to think of anything good that came out of the University of Spoiled Children…

    Nope. Drawing a blank.

    (allez les Cougs!)

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    The Dangerman says:


    Fight On! ;)

    The (Eight) Clap back at you.

    Hail to the hills of Westwood,
    To the mighty sea below…

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    wasabi gasp says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: I guess I’m finding the good in that *everything* isn’t overproduced and *everything* doesn’t have autotune. But it seems to me that even today’s technology heavy stuff often uses the tech with at least some discretion.

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    The Dangerman says:


    allez les Cougs

    My Nephew is finishing his Masters this term there; he went to WSU as undergrad and, I guess, he wants to stay in Spokane area (the GF is there, so I’ll give him a pass due to that fact, else I’d say he’s outta his f’ing mind). Was actually rooting for WSU to win in basketball for the first time in like forever up there.

    As for good coming out of SC, well … bear with me … it’s coming to me …

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    I’m afraid I’m not understanding what you’re getting at.

    There’s lots of ‘overproduced’ music that I like. I mean, prog rock and AOR are pretty much the staples of my musical diet, and there’s lots of newer electronica like M83 or MGMT that I like. It’s the lack of variety in pop these days that gets me.

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    Radio One says:

    to those saying that album oriented pop music died with Pink Floyd and the the Clash’s London Calling, get a grip. There have been plenty of albums produced within the last 30 years that are better than Rumors or The Wall.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Sturgeon’s Law: 90% of everything is crap.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Argh. Yes. I get that. Doesn’t mean I’m obligated to pretend that crap ain’t crap.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: No problem. But don’t pretend that previous eras didn’t have horrible popular music. We tend to remember the good not the godawful.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: No need to pretend at all. It’s crap! But there are also kernels of goodness to be found.

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    Mike E says:

    @Suzanne: Graceland is serendipity. After watching Paul Simon cue up the master tape on some vh1 retrospective, I believe it’s his favorite, too.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Comrade Mary: The two in the back, Bill and Barry, are dead. The two in the front are doing well. John, on the left, tours with the Beach Boys and Bob on the right made a touching documentary about the family, still plays and keeps the Cowsills brand going and sells software for a living.


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    NotMax says:

    some young country harlot bitching about how someone left her at the alter.



    Something a little on the different side. (And another.)

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    scav says:

    Somehow appropriate to the day: Newly unearthed ITV play could be first ever gay television drama, possibly they mean only in the UK. 1959

    It involves a dashing Polish army lieutenant exiled in the US deep south as civil war approaches and the question of who he really loves: the plantation owner’s angry niece, Miss Regina, or the tall, blond, rugged officer who arrives suddenly – a handsome man called Eric MacClure.

    The television play is heady, emotional stuff tackling issues of race as well as sexuality and that it was broadcast by ITV on a winter’s night 54 years ago is nothing short of remarkable. The BFI now believes the newly rediscovered production is the earliest known gay TV drama.

    Gay? Immigrant? Deep South and Civil War? I think we broke more than the mountain.

    additional tidbits.

    It was live, and has only one panicked stagehand trying desperately to get out of shot. (much more exciting that way).

    Peter Wyngard, the lead, went on to be a (officially closeted a la Rock) Ladies Man and one of the inspirations for Austin Powers

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    Lolis says:

    Totally bragging: I got to see Greenday play at the best venue in Austin today for free. They were so amazing live and it brought back some good high school memories. I’d never realized what great musicians they are.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Styles come and go, Prog being pretty much gone. (Although, there’s that post-rock stuff which, to my ears, sounds like prog smothered in emo sauce.)

    Was Prog ever considered pop? I know Pink Floyd topped the pop charts, but they did it with a disco song.

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    Yutsano says:

    @The Dangerman: Spokane is barely tolerable. It doesn’t help that they keep electing Republicans who end up not doing shit for city development or attracting any sort of business base. Hell they couldn’t even keep the rich burbs from splitting off. I looked at a job I was qualified for there then I remembered it was fucking Spokane. Is is any wonder Sister Sarah is escaping from the old folks’ home there?

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @wasabi gasp:

    Prog being pretty much gone.

    Hey, you don’t have to tell me twice. Why do you think I’m so bitter about this stuff?

    It was obviously never a big force on the singles chart, but most of the classic Pink Floyd and Yes and Tull albums were top 10 on the albums charts. Thick as a Brick actually hit Number 1. Can you imagine that?

    I’m actually fonder of the newer stuff (depending on your definition of new). Not just Yes and Floyd albums from the 80’s that most people hate, but bands like Marillion, IQ, Spock’s Beard, and stuff like Muse and Arcade Fire which doesn’t get called prog but I think definitely comes from that tradition.

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    Narcissus says:

    You’re just old.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    This is not prog: Florrie – Give Me Your Love

    …it’s also not a style I would normally find myself listening to. I picked it up for my GF, thinking she would like it and she did, but now it has crawled inside me as well.

    I’m not gonna cheese out and call it a guilty pleasure. I fucking love it (and I think there’s even autotune in there.)

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    Narcissus says:

    If BJ is going to become purely masturbatory we might as well get SPT back to provision us with porn

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Ok. maybe I’m kinda an old, but there was nothing like lying on the floor listening to a whole album (theme, operatic) whilst perusing the big fat album art and liner notes and trying to pick up clues from your fave musicians.

    I remember going to the ‘record stores’ back in the day and laughing at their pathetic little CD displays (at 4-5 times the prices of the actual LPS!) and thinking this shit will never catch on.

    Shows you what I knew. And now it’s all anonymous digital MP3s. Sigh.

    Say Fleetwood Mac back in the day and thought Stevie Nicks was kinda silly – twirling around in her skirts and using that baby voice. The songs hold up well, I guess.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    It might be because it was a different continent, but my memory of AOR in the mid 70s was of a solid radio rotation of Fleetwood Mac, Eagles and Elton John. With a little Neil Diamond thrown in if you were especially unlucky. Ears bled.

    It took the Clash to restore my faith in modern music.

    It took U2 to destroy it again.

    Throughout all this the Rolling Stones remained the same, superannuated arseholes.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    @dance around in your bones: I still have trouble with the idea of buying mp3s. Hard copy or GTFO.

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    piratedan says:

    @MikeJ: agree with you on the genre, Power Pop is STILL quite possibly my favorite music, for me it wasn’t Big Star, it was these guys…..

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:


    The best thing about Spokane is that we moved away from there in ’92. It’s a mess of a place to live. My family keeps asking me if I will ever return and I tell them that I will.

    To visit. :)

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    piratedan says:

    @Steeplejack: actually though Bob’s solo album was a great piece of work, pity he passed last year…… Ebony Eyes was a smokin’ good tune.

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    Keith G says:

    I was 19 moving into my first apartment as an OSU sophmore when Rumours was released and I bought it. I was rocking a Phillips turntable with Marantz receiver and Marantz standing speakers. I must have played that LP for three days straight.

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    eldorado says:

    jfc, cole. have some respect for yourself.

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    MC Simon Milligan says:

    What’s your beef with the Mac?

    The same beef every other right thinking man has; They are bullshit munchers!

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    mai naem says:

    Tusk is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song followed by Never Going Back. I’m just glad WJC picked Don’t Go Back for their campaign song. I am sick and tired of U2’s It’s A Beautiful Day being used for every freaking campaign. And while I love Stevie Wonder, I am already tired Signed Sealed And Delivered. I wish BO had picked Jammin’ but the GOP would have portrayed the song as too “black” no doubt.

    There was a discussion when NPR had their Top 100 Songs and one of the judges commented how music does not stop at one generation but rather a later generation picks up all the old and the current stuff so one generation can’t tell some later generation “this is MY music, you can’t like it!”

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    Ramalama says:

    I’m past that age where I need (and yes I needed to) to know 80% of the bands coming through town at any given moment. I no longer need to hold an opinion on them too. My SPIN magazine subscription has long since lapsed. I read Rolling Stone for …the articles.

    I’m now up in the hinterlands where few Americans tread, and am really just a country queer. But I’ve found the woods here are chock full of musicians who build stuff, repair stuff, chop stuff down as their bread and butter, but their passions are playing guitar, drums, piano like pros. I can’t tell you how many gruff woodsmen at summer barbecues could play blues and flamenco so well that my catholic church strumming was put to shame. Or, Shamé. The cook at this German restaurant in our little hick Quebecois town showed up at a barbecue where I was and played the most electric and soulful rendition of “Bamboleo” by the Gipsy Kings. A friend of my partner’s showed up after hearing we’d moved to the woods, and sang to keep the bears away while on our walk through the trail on the P’tit train du nord. All the hairs in my body stood at attention while she sang.

    To all you other old pharts out there, just branch out to music’s foreign bureau. Part of my feeling old is not being able to keep up. But the game becomes different when you add in a bit of the rest of the world.

    Cue shameless plug for my friend Simon. You people should just listen to this (disregard the dumb photos):

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    MomSense says:

    Rumours was one of the albums my dad bought when my parents were getting divorced. I used to listen to it over and over from start to finish. Still know every single word! I remember my dad’s little bachelor apartment was sooo un-homey but he had a great record collection so we spent our time there just listening to music.

    It is a kick when your kids discover “old” music. When I got home yesterday my oldest played House of the Rising Sun on his acoustic for me. It sounded great. And I look forward every weekend to my music lesson. My oldest is exposing me to blues musicians I never knew about–their music, influences, life stories. I can’t tell you how much I enjoy these lessons, especially when he plays too.

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    lojasmo says:

    Anybody who like Fleetwood Mac should watch Dave Grohl’s (Nirvana, Foo Fighters) new movie “Sound City”

    It chronicles the course of a seedy LA music studio called….Sound CIty, where Fleetwood Mac was actually created.

    Lots of other bands recorded their early albums there. Nirvana, Tom Petty, etc.

    sGreat little flick.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    I like some of the newer hard rock. But every generation has some pleasure that those before and after them never got to experience. For us late boomers is was buying a new album and talking it back to the dorm. You slit the plastic sleeve with a thumb or finger nail, ease the album out and place it in the turn table. Let the needle settle into the groves, put on some ear phones, lie back and read the liner notes while the music washes over you. That’s the way to first experience Rumours, or Dark Side of the Moon, or Cheap Trick’s Live at Budokan, or Blondie’s Parallel Lines, etc.

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    Suezboo says:

    I remember my first musical epiphany at an unlikely location.It was my convent school’s annual bazaar and a nun or trusted prefect was spinning the platters as background music.Somehow, someone played Elvis’ All Shook Up.It was 1957 and I knew as I stood stock still and waited for another play that the World Had Changed For Ever for me.And, of course, a whole bunch of other music listeners.Rock n Roll actually happened to me.

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    iLarynx says:


    Yet another hard-luck story from Mr. Cole.

    You have my pity.

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    virag says:

    camper van beethoven did a straight-up cover of ‘tusk’. not my favorite thing ever, and the original was an exercise in pointless self-indulgence that made ‘warehouse songs and stories’ sound like a single minuteman song. i have actually found that ‘rumors’ does not hold up that well for me. the songs are ok, and the back story is pretty funny, but the work itself is so polished and affected that it loses most of its power. i know that was the 70’s style, to smooth and tweek everything to death, exactly the opposite of the much better ‘push the record button’ immediacy of early huskers or bad religion.

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    Joe Richeau says:

    @The Dangerman:

    There is a Rockumentary on Rumors on Netflix

    For those of you who prefer the dead tree way of telling stories, one of the producers behind Rumours, Ken Caillat, wrote a book simply titled “Making Rumours“, which goes into even more interesting detail than the Netflix doco does on the whole affair.

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