Jane Hamsher Saves the Internet

TBogg was all set to deprive us of his wit and bassets, but Ms. Hamsher talked him out of it. As far as I’m concerned, that makes up for the unfortunate Grover Norquist thing. Well done, Ms. Hamsher.

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111 replies
  1. 1
    Mudge says:

    It’s a bit different than TBogg (none have bassetts), but I was thinking the other day what the liberal blogisphere would be like if Mollys Ivins and Steve Gilliard were still around. And would it would be like without Krugman.

    And Billmon.

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    burnspbesq says:

    This is good, but Ms. harsher is still has to answer for Santino TRex.

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    The Jane Hamster’s of the left did a good thing.

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    c u n d gulag says:

    Ok Jane, I just forgave you, and absolve you of your sins.

    All you need to do is say 10 “Hail – Obama’s Not Worse Than George W. Bush’s,” and count the lubed pearls 13 times on Senator Limpseed Cornpone Grahamcracker’s (R – Closet) favorite “pearl-necklace” string.

    What would we do without TBogg?

    No one coins a phrase better than he!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @burnspbesq: What happened there? I missed that intrigue somehow.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    It’s good that she talked TBogg out of retiring. I’m sure she’d lose a whole segment of her traffic that goes nowhere near the rest of that joint other than TBogg’s place. I can’t be the only one.

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    Warren Terra says:

    I’m not going to forgive Hamsher anytime soon. The term “firebagger” was coined for a reason, and it wasn’t just some happy-talk about finding common ground with Norquist. But she did a solid here.

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    Ash Can says:

    I could get all cynical up in here and accuse Hamsher of begging TBogg to stay because without him, her site would plummet to a dozen hits per week and she knows it, but that would needlessly harsh on the warm, fuzzy buzz of this thread.

    And yeah, this makes up for Norquist the same way W’s ability to keep his mouth shut after leaving office makes up for destroying Iraq and crashing the economy.

  9. 9
    burnspbesq says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Details have faded somewhat with the passage of time, but in essence she ran him off for the mortal sin of disagreement on a policy issue (the trumped-up charge had something to do with language). Some things that were done and said in connection with the 2006 Connecticut Senate race may also have been part of the problem.

    A pretty substantial number of folks who are now BJ regulars bailed from FDL and followed David to his own place, and found their way here by a variety of routes when David folded his tent.

    The only reason I still have a Facebook account is to keep up with David.

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    Ira-NY says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    Hamsher is not of the Left.

    She is a self-absorbed opportunist. The only ideology Hamsher supports is promoting her own brand.

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    Raven says:

    @burnspbesq: And some of us got banned! The red banned of courage!

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    The Red Pen says:

    One of the reasons I left Daily Kos was the infighting over Hamsher. I commented that while I was upset with the Norquist thing, I wasn’t going to do the “she’s dead to me” routine.

    I said that I had found myself with common cause in the past, and I expected to have common cause in the future and that I would be there to stand with her when I did.

    I don’t think anyone responded to that comment.

  13. 13
    Raven says:

    @The Red Pen: fuck her, how’s that?

  14. 14
    Raven says:

    @The Red Pen: fuck her, how’s that?

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    magurakurin says:

    @Mudge:

    And Billmon.

    Billmon has front page posts at the GOS fairly regularly these days. I haven’t seen one for a couple of weeks but he had a little flurry not to long back. Probably worth clicking through there once a day or so if you like reading his stuff.

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    Lost says:

    Because I used to love her
    But it’s all over now

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    Ira-NY says:

    Hamsher is so bad that in weak moments I wonder if she is not funded by the Koch brothers.

    If they did so, the return on their money would be much better than their investment in Rove.

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    Mudge says:

    @magurakurin: I know, that’s why he was listed separately. He’s much less visible than he was. Back in the day he was a force. Now, not so much.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: TBogg is the ONLY link I have on that site, as in, her website address starts tbogg.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Raven:

    fuck her, how’s that?

    Very clever, but lacks substance.

  22. 22
    Lawnguylander says:

    Don’t car at all if he retires or not and she’s still a malignant asshole.

  23. 23
    Ramalama says:

    I personally loved FDL when they were covering the Libby trial. And stuff leading up to it. I loved what all of them were putting out in terms of discussion and background – deep background in EmptyWheel’s case – on things beltway press just let slide.

    I think it’s ok to get into fierce arguments with people of like minds. It’s all we’ve got sometimes. Jane Hamsher is not going away until she does. I don’t know if most wars solve anything really. But wrangling, battling, is something else.

    A propos of nothing here’s a link showing a recent wrangling between Noam Chomsky and Rick Perlstein.

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    Chyron HR says:

    I am mildly amused by how quickly Hamsher (and, a few months back, Greenwald) are willing to ditch their Unyielding Progressive Principles when faced with an “Obot” who has a popular following of his own.

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    White Trash Liberal says:

    I don’t know why, but this post made me nostalgic for Table Talk. The class of 2000 that was broken apart by Nader, 9/11 and the Salon subscription fee. Ferguson Foont, Tbogg, Atrios, Stirling Newberry, MECowan, Ox, Machina, lukusiak… A great class of writers of whom those names are just the ones my morning-clouded mind can remember.

    I am glad TBogg is sticking around. Jane had a sweet gig going until she tried to cross the streams with Paultards to create TeaFireTron. He’s now the singular reason for my page cllcks.

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    Raven says:

    @Ramalama: and then ban them when they don’t agree ?

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    oldster says:

    You know, in the early days, Billmon had a big role in crafting part of the voice of the internets.

    I mean that seriously–there’s a kind of snarky, meta, irony-drenched tone, heavy with obscenity and lightened with improvisational word-coinage, that characterizes quite a lot of blog writing. And I think of him as one of its early masters.

    He distilled it from bits of Hunter S. Thompson, bits of Chandler and Hammett, other sources. He passed it along to people like Andrew (i.e. The Editors).

    Molly Ivins voice? Very different. Fafblog? Pretty different–more admixture of pure fantasy and (at least in the old days) sheer silly fun.

    Or maybe I’m just describing my own sequence of exposure, i.e. that I read Billmon doing it first, even if he was not the first to do it.

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    RSA says:

    Jane Hamsher Saves the Internet

    Just the one internet?

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    Cassidy says:

    @The Red Pen: I don’t dislike her as much as others, but the shameless self promotion really turned me off. I don’t think it’s right to sell yourself as the “voice of the left” when you really don’t represent more than a small minority. I get; everyone needs to make a living, but I still don’t think it’s right. I also think her involvement in PFC Manning’s case did more harm than good, IMO. I think that there was a bit of spotlighting involved, but, unfortunately, the spotlight was on her. And behind the closed doors of the confinement, I’m positive she didn’t do him any good.

    As for FDL? I get enough of the purity lefty shit from our resident knuckleheads. I don’t need a blog devoted to it.

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    RSA says:

    @White Trash Liberal:

    I don’t know why, but this post made me nostalgic for Table Talk.

    I was on TT for several years, though on the social rather than the political side, and I’m still connected with many of the people I met there. Several of us migrated to Open Salon for a while afterwards (then left). Salon.com has had some great ideas and projects over the years, though they’ve had trouble sustaining any of them.

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    Ramalama says:

    @Raven: Yeah that’s pretty lame. I’ve gotten banned from AmericaBlog for asking a question that used an incendiary word. No tongue in cheek or sarcasm or anything, either, I was really putting it out there, aaaand got my answer by getting shut down.

    I got some useful info from them, especially the advice to fax letters to Congress or the White House since that’s the method they most respond to, other than calling or making an in person … appearance. I don’t hate Jon Aravosis. But I don’t go there no more either.

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    Raven says:

    @Ramalama: That being said I deserved to be banned. She was selective in her editing comments and I didn’t play dat.

  34. 34
    Raven says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Greenwald said “past history”????? That’s hilarious!

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Cassidy:

    As for FDL? I get enough of the purity lefty shit from our resident knuckleheads.

    I only read FDL when I find a link to it. I read BJ and skim Kos and Free Republic. I like finding out about things on Free Republic first and if it seems like there’s a “there” there, I Google for the other side of the story.

    I’ve found that maintaining an ability to debunk right-wing nonsense often keeps me better informed than reading lefty blogs. It certainly keeps me abreast of the things I’m likely to have to discuss in the break room.

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    Rhubarb says:

    Does anyone remember Redd Hedd (Christy Hardin Smith)? FDL was a far more human place before she left and before JH unpersoned TRex. TBogg is my ONLY connection to that place nowadays>

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    It’s good that she talked TBogg out of retiring. I’m sure she’d lose a whole segment of her traffic that goes nowhere near the rest of that joint other than TBogg’s place. I can’t be the only one.

    Don’t let Calimity Jane fool you, this is all about traffic to her site. She doesn’t have a pot to piss in period much less with the loss of unique site visits that would happen if Tbogg got the hell out of Dodge.

    She still represents what’s bad about the Teabaggers of the Left. They’re as much a threat as actual teatards.

  38. 38
    Cassidy says:

    @The Red Pen: Every now and then I’ll follow a link. Usually it will be from FB. I have a friend who’s on the left side of “both sides do it”, etc. and he’ll occassionally put up an something that sounds interesting to read.

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    Raven says:

    @Rhubarb: yep, she was great. Got lupus I think.

    Eta. Southern Dragon front paged for a while but he died.

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    John O says:

    FDL’s coverage of the Libby trial was second to none.

    TBogg is the only FDLer I bother with anymore, though. Jane can be a little shrill, but given her personal history I figure she’s probably alive because she’s got some fight I might not always agree with. Who am I to judge? She’s done more good than I have.

    Ah, Billmon. I remember a series of posts he did during the Israeli-Lebanon conflict du jour of whenever, at the height of his blogging, and it was downright creepy how prescient he was about what was going on even with the benefit of hindsight. He was more or less 3-4 days ahead of the news during his streak. I became convinced he was a high-ranking government insider for a while.

    I await Dr. Black’s departure from the scene before too long. He’s been showing signs for some time now of burnout and boredom.

  41. 41
    jibeaux says:

    Assuming this is a somewhat open thread, I read today that Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment, apparently after someone saw Lincoln or something. It reminded me that Michael Moore used to have a show called TV Nation — I enjoyed most of that more than his movies because it was a little less heavy-handed, which I guess is just to say it was merely heavy-handed — and he had an episode with Rusty Cundieff (from Fear of a Black Hat, a very underrated movie) going around with a white slave in Mississippi for the same reason. I believe they went line dancing together in a country bar shackled together. Anyway, good times.

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    @Ira-NY: @Ira-NY: @arguingwithsignposts:

    It’s good that she talked TBogg out of retiring. I’m sure she’d lose a whole segment of her traffic that goes nowhere near the rest of that joint other than TBogg’s place. I can’t be the only one.

    Don’t let Calimity Jane fool you, this is all about traffic to her site. She doesn’t have a pot to piss in period much less with the loss of unique site visits that would happen if Tbogg got the hell out of Dodge.

    She still represents what’s bad about the Teabaggers of the Left. They’re as much a threat as actual teatards.

    @Ira-NY:

    She is a self-absorbed opportunist. The only ideology Hamsher supports is promoting her own brand.

    A thousand times this. Whenever somebody develops a weak spot for her, remember this.

  43. 43
    Mark S. says:

    If you wake up and someone is in your bathroom with the door locked, do you

    a) knock on the door and see who it is

    b) call the police and watch the door with your trusty firearm beside you

    c) unload a bunch of bullets at the door

    If you’re Blade Runner, you apparently do c.

  44. 44
    PsiFighter37 says:

    No, this absolves her of very little. She probably did this to keep site traffic from completely collapsing than out of any benevolence in her heart.

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    @Mark S.:

    I think the Pistorius/Steenkamp and Chris Dorner stories are a good example why gun owners should be required to go through more than just an initial background and psych test. People’s mental health status changes and just because someone is considered sane in 2012 doesn’t mean they will be sane in 2013.

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    libarbarian says:

    @Mark S.:

    And, apparently, you do C without extending your arm to feel if your girlfriend, whom you know is over for the night, is even still in bed with you.

    His story sounds like total BS to me. He abused her, shot her, and then made it up to cover his ass.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    It’s probably just the golden varnish of nostalgia, but I liked TBogg more at his old place. I think that the commentariat was better there as well.

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    John O says:

    @Mark S.:

    Jeez. Maybe he really has a ‘roid rage defense. What a loon. Why not just ask with a loud voice wtf is in your bathroom? Maybe even point out that you have a gun while you’re at it?

    And is everyone in the world except me locked and loaded at all times? Christ.

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    Cassidy says:

    @libarbarian: Yeah, the story sounds just a little overly dramatic as if it was written for that effect. Of course, waiting and seeing are prudent, but it doesn’t sound right.

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I’m not really the two are comparable. Dorner wasn’t, nor was ever, crazy or mentally unhealthy. Everything he did was of sound mind and deliberate action/ malice. You could say that he was disturbed or any number of things, but the reality is that he was a guy who was pushed too far by what he percieved as a conspiracy to ruin his life. I think most people don’t realize how far they’ll fall when everything is taken from them.

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    jibeaux says:

    @libarbarian: Yep. It’s simply not plausible that a person who lives with another person would assume that someone locked in the bathroom is an intruder.

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    General Stuck says:

    Jane’s battle star that is FDL proper, has been melting away steadily as the Obama star has risen, with a commentariot having shrunk to a few dozen ratfuckers and psycho racists from hell. Tbogg may well be keeping it from crashing altogether .

    Obama supporters are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet

    Wrong way Jane way.

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    Jebediah says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:
    You are not.

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    libarbarian says:

    I’m facing some bogus charges myself.

    The other day I heard a knock at my front door. I naturally assumed it was Leatherface trying to get in and kill my family, so I immediately unloaded my .45 at the closed door. Afterwards I opened it and, to my surprise, saw a bunch of dead girlscouts with cookies scattered about my porch. So I ate some cookies and then dialed 911. I sincerely regret the loss of life that was caused by this tragic and unavoidable mistake, but now the police are saying I did something wrong and threatening to arrest me for something called “manslaughter”. It’s ridiculous. It was a clear case of self-defense. I was not expecting anyone to come to my house at that time, so I naturally assumed the person knocking at my door was a violent predator who was trying to harm me and my family.

    Jesus Christ, we are a Marxist Banana Republic. Thank god the NRA is getting a lawyer to represent me.

  54. 54
    General Stuck says:

    @Ash Can:

    but that would needlessly harsh on the warm, fuzzy buzz of this thread.

    The is no “warm, fuzzy, buzz” in blogging.

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    JPL says:

    OT..Scott Brown was not drunk when he wrote Bqhatevwr. It was his pocket typing.

    “Anyone ever hear of pocket tweet, pocket dial? I mean it was pretty simple. I have an iPhone 5. If anyone has iPhone 5, the keys are small,” Brown said. “It’s very, very sensitive.”

    must thank Josh

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    General Stuck says:

    @libarbarian:

    Same thing happened to me. It was garden gnomes though, fetching me some maters. I felt bad, but the maters tasted good.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JPL: Since when does an iPhone have ‘keys’?

  58. 58
    MikeJ says:

    @JPL: “No grandma, you butt-dialed me. You did *not* give me a booty call.”

  59. 59
    JPL says:

    @dmsilev: lol Bqhatevwr

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    jibeaux says:

    @dmsilev: They’re REALLLLY small

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    JPL says:

    Scott Brown would be better off, if he simply said it was late and he was tired. Romney would have said “I can’t drunk tweet, I’m running for..”

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    max says:

    @Mark S.: If you wake up and someone is in your bathroom with the door locked, do you[…]
    c) unload a bunch of bullets at the door

    You only do all this only after you’ve shot your girlfriend in the hip.*

    Because, jeez, first your girlfriend makes you shoot her, and then some fucker is using your bathroom!

    J.A.F.:People’s mental health status changes and just because someone is considered sane in 2012 doesn’t mean they will be sane in 2013.

    Who said he’s not sane? ‘People doing crazy shit’ != ‘diagnosably mentally ill’

    ‘mental health issues’ != ‘rat bastard’

    max
    [‘He might have been chemically juiced. He might be some kind of sociopath. Or he might be an asshole who likes beating up women.’]

    * According to the South African police, he shot her in the hip and then she crawled to the bathroom and barricaded herself inside. And then he shot her through the door.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @White Trash Liberal:

    Someone named “Ferguson Foont” comments on Washington Post threads.

    1. No idea if it’s “the original” or a tribute, but his comments are generally intelligent and snarky.

    2. No way you would choose to wade through the WaPost fever swamp of comments to follow Foont. WaPost is not moderated, and thus a torrent of rightwing butthurt and intransigence and cruelty.

    Seriously, you’ll lose brain cells.

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    aimai says:

    I was reading Tbogg a long time ago, before he migrated to FDL. I wish I’d kept a record of what I was reading back then–Media Whores Online, Rising Hegemon?, Billmon? The rise of the internet as the place where I went for information about Bush and Iraq coincided with the early toddlerhood of my children so its lost in the mists of time, for me. Googling around and looking for Trex, who I don’t remember, I found some contemporary posts about things I’ve totally forgotten like the guy who tried to suicide bomb one of Hillary Clinton’s campaign headquarters, or Karl Rove insisting that it was Congress that wanted to rush through the vote on the Iraq war not Bush.

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    liberal says:

    @jibeaux:
    I thought the headline was off, because I recalled Mississippi having done that years ago.

    Sure enough, it turns out they did it in 1995, but they weren’t competent enough to send the paperwork to the federal place that officially records these things.

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    Face says:

    OT, but is this the next CU-type decision that will further assist the billionaires to get their Republicans elected? The fact that the appeal is backed by the RNC tells me so….

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    Mudge says:

    @max: And during all of that she never said a word..Not one “What the fuck are you doing, Oscar” so he would know it wasn’t an intruder. And he says today he was “vulnerable because he did not have on his prosthetic legs”..which means he crawled to the bathroom door to shoot her, and she didn’t talk or cry..except make “intruder” noises.

    His shit is weak on this.

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    liberal says:

    @oldster:

    I mean that seriously–there’s a kind of snarky, meta, irony-drenched tone, heavy with obscenity and lightened with improvisational word-coinage, that characterizes quite a lot of blog writing. And I think of him as one of its early masters.

    My take on billmon was entirely different. I’m sure I loved his style, but mainly I loved him because he was both spot-on and extremely intelligent on the substance of things.

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    Lynn Dee says:

    Hey it wouldn’t even take this to forgive Jane Hamsher if the whole Grover Norquist thing were aberrant in some way (for her). I don’t believe it was — although she has been pretty quiet for a good long while. So there is that.

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    Mandalay says:

    @libarbarian:

    The other day I heard a knock at my front door. I naturally assumed it was Leatherface trying to get in and kill my family, so I immediately unloaded my .45 at the closed door.

    This actually happened when I was living in Houston. No charges filed.

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    Bulworth says:

    Goodness Tbogg almost quits and Cole gets a new kitteh. So much happens around here when I step away for just a minute.

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    Cassidy says:

    Hey, it’s OT, but I’m gonna spam a little bit this week. This saturday, the 23rd, the first Women’s Title Fight, Main Event, and just plain UFC fight is taking place between a former Olympian (2008 Judo Bronze medalist) and the only (to my knowledge) openly gay profession fighter. She’s also a veteran (Marine). The first female, Ronda Rousey, is a media darling and current UFC Bantamweight champion. She’s got sponsors, main stream sprots media coverage, etc. The second, Liz Carmouche, lives paycheck to paycheck and works at the gym she trains at to make ends meet. She’s also the underdog, brough in to be the sacrificial lamb for Rousey’s rising star. Personally, I’m rooting for Carmouche. She seems like a cool chick.

    I know most of you don’t care [or loathe]combat sports, but if you can find yourself at a sports bar this weekend showing the fight, every little bit goes a long way. Most professional fighters live below poverty and their families are part of their “sacrifice”. Even if she loses, solid viewer numbers can help one fighter start to make a living and maybe elevate a lesbian fighter to national prominence. Anyway, I’m not trying to be preachy. I like women’s sports and I love combat sports. I really want to see WMMA be as successful as the men and now that the UFC is behind it, it can happen.

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    Redshirt says:

    Shiit. I didn’t use to give a damn about politics. The Internet was for nerd stuff!

    How times have changed…

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    Punchy says:

    While we’re all waxing nostalgic, let me be the first to mention Armando….

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    CaseyL says:

    It’s funny to think the internets have been around long enough that there’s a Shared Past to be nostalgic about: TableTop, SFGate, billmon, Media Whores Online, Steve Gilliard. I miss them all, too.

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    cleek says:

    As far as I’m concerned, that makes up for the unfortunate Grover Norquist thing.

    how about the blackface thing – does it make up for that?

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    oldster says:

    @liberal:

    Oh, agreed. I had no intention of dissing his substance by praising his style.

    He also seemed to have a much clearer, less-deluded understanding of DC power,esp. the way that the media was constantly being suckered.

    He and Josh M. were some of the first people that talked about how to do DC Kremlinology. If a “source close to the Speaker’s office” said xyz, the interesting thing was probably not what the quote contained, but rather the very fact that (e.g.) Hastert was putting distance between himself and Bush on this issue: what did this say about the jockeying for power etc.

    That constant attempt to see underneath the surface of the news was enlightening to me, even though I’d been reading the news forever (e.g. grew up on Jack Anderson’s unraveling of Watergate).

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Redshirt:

    Shiit. I didn’t use to give a damn about politics. The Internet was for nerd stuff!

    soc.politics.you.are.a.newbie
    net.politics.you.are.a.newbie <– better

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    Steeplejack says:

    @libarbarian:

    There is a lot that doesn’t add up in the story as presented. His affadavit said he “felt threatened at the time because he had not put on his prosthetic legs.” If so, how did he know the bathroom door was locked? Presumably he had to get to the door and try to open it to see that it was locked. If he has some other means of mobility at home, e.g., wheelchair, how did he not notice that his girlfriend wasn’t in bed as he was backing and forthing? And don’t most people, if they’re in the bathroom and someone jiggles the knob, say something like “I’ll be out in a minute, honey” rather than remain completely silent?

    A skeptic would say that the story is designed to address the evidence that the bathroom door was broken open, presumably with the girlfriend inside.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    I think highly of Tbogg but no, Calamity Jane has a lot more to answer for than just the Norquist bullshit. It just can’t be wiped away like nothing.

    Fuck her and her Ass Hamsters of the Apocalypse.

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    Lost says:

    Still, I’m going to be watching her health. However I may feel about her, I hope she lives to a ripe ole age.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @cleek: Nope. That was irredeemably stupid. Still, I’m glad she talked TBogg into staying.

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    Jamey says:

    @PsiFighter37This. I’d gladly continue ignoring TBoggs’s mildly amusing cavalcade of humblebrag someplace else if Ms Hamsher would vamoose.

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    GregB says:

    Oh moon of Alabama, we now must say goodbye.

    Kos, FDL and of course Keith Olbermann were tonic for the soul when the rest of the nation was on the long path to endless war in Iraq and at placing George W. on Mount Rushmore.

    But the only time I go back to FDL is to check out T-Bogg.

    Unlike Raven, I was never banned, just drifted away and found this pet hording lunatic named Cole.

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    JPL says:

    Cole was fortunate because he was able to add interesting front pagers to keep the site running. What other site can you find discussions about movie, songs and chickens?

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Mandalay:

    This actually happened when I was living in Houston. No charges filed.

    Tragic, but if you read the story, those drunk Scotsman were acting pretty freaky. There’s something to be said for understanding the culture you are visiting, especially when a lot of local incidents end in gunfire.

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    gbear says:

    @CaseyL: The site I’m most nostalgic for is the independent purple version of TBogg before he signed on with FDL. You didn’t need to register to comment on his old site (just like here) and the discussions would get wild, weird, and hilarious.

    I actually wish he’d retire from FDL and take up a part time residence somewhere. He spends a quarter of his time telling the FDL regulars how much they suck.

    Hmmm, now where would he be a good fit?Somewhere with open comments…

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    oldster says:

    @CaseyL:

    Yeah, it *is* funny, especially given that the internet is so young that it doesn’t have any actual *traditions*.

    At least, none that I’m aware of.

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    askew says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage:

    Don’t let Calimity Jane fool you, this is all about traffic to her site. She doesn’t have a pot to piss in period much less with the loss of unique site visits that would happen if Tbogg got the hell out of Dodge.

    She still represents what’s bad about the Teabaggers of the Left. They’re as much a threat as actual teatards.

    Yep. That is it in a nutshell. As far as I am concerned Blackface Jane can’t fade away fast enough. She did everything possible to kill the healthcare bill including paying people to post on DK with lies and outrage. Her and Jerome Armstrong showed their true colors too many times for me to be interested in anything they’d say.

    And had tbogg retired or left FDL, we’d never have to hear about that cesspool or Blackface Jane again.

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    Ramalama says:

    I saw a drunkardly Scott Brown concede the race to Eliz Warren on game night. It’s not a stretch to claim that his iphone might also have a drinking problem.

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    El Tiburon says:

    TBogg sure likes to almost-quit then come back.

    Regardless, he is an internet original.

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    MomSense says:

    Damn but I am lucky to be a Democrat in Maine especially since our Chair, Ben Grant is the best. Read this blog post for the awesome take down of the Mustache of Understanding!!

    http://www.mainedems.org/blog/.....e-any-name

    ps. I don’t give a crap about Jane Hamsher–she is not on my team. I would read Tbogg if he left that cesspool–but do not care one whit about him while he is there.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @White Trash Liberal: Ah, Table Talk. That seems so long ago.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @John O:

    I await Dr. Black’s departure from the scene before too long. He’s been showing signs for some time now of burnout and boredom.

    Ya think? He hasn’t posted anything more substantive than “rock on” in about five years.

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    Pathman says:

    It’s interesting how polarized it’s become in the leftwingosphere. It’s almost as if it’s on purpose. Almost.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Rhubarb: Whatever happened to T-Rex? Count me among those that left FDL when he did, but I couldn’t find out what happened to him after he left, and unlike folks like Billmon, he seems to have utterly vanished from the ‘net.

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    ruemara says:

    Meh. It does not make up for Norquist, blackface, or “dumbest motherfuckers on the planet”. I do like the TBOGG but my beef with Hamsher, DKos et al was the misinfo regarding the public option fight. Glad TBogg can’t quit us, but he’s the only reason I have to visit FDL.

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    patroclus says:

    I always considered TBogg to be “somewhat” popular. I can forgive Jane Hamsher for the Grover Norquist thing (it never really amounted to much anyway), but not for everything else.

    I’m not believing Blade Runner at all…

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    phoebes-in-santa fe says:

    @Mudge: Dear God, do I miss Steve Gillard. I really wish he had been around to see Obama win the presidency – twice. His column was the very best – and his knowledge of military and political history was second to none. Each of his entries was a mini-seminar in history, politics, the military…or cooking.

    I just hope that had he lived to see and write about Obama that he wouldn’t have turned into a Jane Hamsher-like lefty-teabagger.

    Steve Gilliard – one of the best there ever was.

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    shortstop says:

    How can you guys remember all this stuff?! It’s hard enough keeping track of the eddying flow of humanity that courses through my life without devoting major energy to bloggy stuff from four or six or eight years ago. That’s not to say I have any time for Ms. Hamsher, but I never think about her. Mind, beautiful, etc.

    Maybe it’s because on some level, I think of bloggers as fictional characters. I should maybe try to stop that.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Bobby Thomson: I remember reading him in 2002. I remember feeling like he was bored, uninterested, and going through the motions in, let’s see, 2002.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    Also, the bloggers I used to find indispensable who have either quit, scaled back, or handed over the keys to someone else less talented: Brad Reed at Sadly, No! Norbizness. S.Z. from World O’Crap. There’s such a gap now where that kind of pointed silliness used to be. TBogg and Edroso are the masters. Giants there were in those days.

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    shortstop says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    TBogg and Edroso are the masters.

    National treasures both.

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    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    @phoebes-in-santa fe:

    Steve Gilliard – one of the best there ever was.

    Plus the food and footy posts. I loved his writing.

    The crew that set up a new place after he died haven’t posted anything in a year.

    FTFY for you Steve.

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    Strangepork says:

    @Cassidy: Fellow combat sports fan here, and totally with you on the love for Liz Carmouche and WMMA in general. On almost every single Strikeforce card with a women’s match, they stole the show.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Strangepork: Yup. Have you been watching Invicta? Outstanding cards. Rose Namajura and Joanne Calderwood are going to be stars one day.

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    Anna in PDX says:

    @oldster: Oh I want to cry when I think about how much I miss Andrew/The Editors. I also loved Billmon back in the day. Glad he is back at Kos.

    Kos’ format is sort of hard for me to grasp because there is just too much out there to read. I started a diary during the elections because I was donating through them so much, but have not really used it since.

    Incidentally are you the same person who posted the comment at LGM recently rewriting a verse from “A Day in the Life” regarding Richard III? Because if you are, I am in love with you (platonically that is) already.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Ok, old dead thread – but really! Wouldn’t TBogg be a great addition to the front pagers here at Balloon Juice? I was going to say that on FDL but I would have had to ‘sign up’ to comment which I refuse to do.

    TBogg! Phone home!

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    Rhubarb says:

    Arch Teryx–I have seen David Ferguson’s (TRex)byline at The Raw Story within the last year, so I guess he’s there. Although I haven’t seen it just lately–but I don’t read everything there. Also, he chimes in here once in awhile (as TRex). And to those who mentioned him–was it not a dark day when Steve Gilliard died? The man couldn’t spell for sour apples, but he was a marvellously sharp analyst and wrote like a pissed-off angel.

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    Scamp Dog says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Anonymous Liberal is one of my favorite bloggers who’s disappeared with little trace. Does anybody know what happened to him (if AL was a him, being anonymous and all)?

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    Tehanu says:

    Yes, we all dodged a bullet when TBogg decided not to quit. I might also point out that, miraculously, HTML Mencken and Gavin have both been posting on Sadly, No! lately, after long hiatuses (hiatii?) And Thers at Whiskey Fire remains vivid. So not all is lost in the realm of snark.

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