Late Night Open Thread: Repubs, Not Ready for Prime Time

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According to Politico:

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Tuesday night knocked Sen. Marco Rubio’s GOP response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union as “primitive.”

“I thought it was Tinkertoys,” Matthews said after Rubio delivered his address. “I thought it was primitive, something you would hear on a high school debating team.”…

“First of all, he went after government as some kind evil, then he admitted he had gone to school on student loans,” Matthews said. “Well, […] I mean, I’m very pro-government. And he admit he was, too. He said, I love Medicare because of how it takes care of my mother, how it took care of my father with dignity. He said, I went the student loan route, I got my education.”…

“It was almost like a YAF-er convention speech, Young Americans for Freedom speech, from the 1950s,” Matthews said. “There was no originality to it. It was basic. Again, it was Tinkertoys. It was a kid’s presentation of a philosophy reduced to maybe the 9th grade level. I’m sorry, that’s what it was.”

Politico also has video & a transcript of Rand Paul’s Tea Party rebuttal-to-the-rebuttal. It runs across four pages. Here are the first three paragraphs:

I speak to you tonight from Washington, D.C. The state of our economy is tenuous but our people remain the greatest example of freedom and prosperity the world has ever known.

People say America is exceptional. I agree, but it’s not the complexion of our skin or the twists in our DNA that make us unique. America is exceptional because we were founded upon the notion that everyone should be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work
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Says the man who owes his entire career to his old man. It doesn’t get any better; don’t bother clicking over unless you need a checklist of every “bipartisan” cliche that ever brought Dancin’ Dave Gregory to estactic release. “America has much greatness left in her,” and if only enough voters were dumb enough to believe him, Rand Paul believes he could yet steal it all.

Perhaps the Republicans would have been better off to stick with the simplicity of Erick Erickson’s post-speech tweet, as relayed by Slate:

OK people, Mardi Gras is over! Stop sinning!

52 replies
  1. 1
    opie_jeanne says:

    I got a glimpse of Gregory tonight and I think it’s the first time I’ve ever seen him, which is ok since my blood pressure needs to remain within certain boundaries and watching him and the rest of them would not help.

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    Tweety also referred to Barbara Lee as “Congressman Lee”.

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    opie_jeanne says:

    Off topic, but the shootout in Big Bear Ca has captivated us. I found this lovely entry after a friend sent me a map to show me what they were talking about. ( He isn’t one of the reviewers).
    https://plus.google.com/112586014146029303181/about?gl=us&hl=en

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    Alison says:

    It really is going to be…interesting to see what group of yutzes the GOP ends up running through the 2016 primary gauntlet.

    In other news, and in news of far more impressive Hispanic citizens, I’m reading Justice Sotomayor’s memoir and it’s really great. She’s a very good writer, and it’s also fun to see some things that my mom told me about her own childhood, specifically going to the chicken market. A Puerto Rican from the Bronx and a Jew from Brooklyn/Queens, with a shared bond of chicken feathers stuck to their shoes :)

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Randy Pandy is a self-certified historian as well as a self-certified opthalmologist.

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    liberal says:

    I agree, but it’s not the complexion of our skin or the twists in our DNA that make us unique. America is exceptional because we were founded upon the notion that everyone should be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

    No, America is exceptional because unlike many if not all countries in the developed Western world, we haven’t gone for full-blown economy-killing austerity.

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    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work

    This is crucial to the philosophy of the Republican 1%ers, which is all of them in power and the vast majority of national media ‘journalists’. Romney is a beautiful example. He actually believes he was born with no advantages and got fantastically rich through hard work. This is a huge ego rush to them, and their primary interest is in stroking it. Almost none of them benefit financially from gutting the safety net, or they benefit in invisibly small ways. What they get out of this is more ego stroking. They get to think ‘I deserve everything, you deserve nothing.’ That is exactly how they talk about taxes and the safety net.

    This ties into the common GOP voter’s desires in peculiar ways. Most obvious to me is that that kind of thinking by rich people is blatant assholery, and emotionally it’s satisfying to other assholes to perpetuate it – even if they’re poor. Not all benefit is material.

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    Arclite says:

    Every time I see Gabby Giffords speak, it brings me to tears. What a waste gun violence is.

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    David Koch says:

    Rubio looked like a deer caught in the headlights. So much so that Ted Nugent almost shot him with his bow and arrow.

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    Debbie(aussie) says:

    @liberal:
    We didn’t either, but we aren’t all that exceptional ;)

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @David Koch: Ha!

    Didn’t watch the SOTU (watched Syfy’s Face Off instead). Did the cameras pan to Nugent during the speech? Was he smirking the whole time? I can’t imagine why he wanted to listen to the Kenyan Socialist Communist Muslim’s speech anyways.

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    David Koch says:

    Obama Akbar!

    The One talking shop with the ladies.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....721774.JPG

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    raven says:

    Joe doesn’t think the president has done a good job.

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    raven says:

    Joe thinks showing waterbottlegate iz a cheap shot!

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    1badbaba3 says:

    @David Koch: C’mon now, Terrible Turd Nugget knows not to shoot the ones wearing the white hoods and robes. And you don’t have to worry about the ones that can shoot back. They are protected by a barrier of feces that emanates from Turd’s – well, you get the picture.

    Actually, my apologies for that imagery. It’s even grossing me out. Although, Ted’s Turds has a nice ring to it for a radio show segment. “Tune in to hear the words that are comin’ outta his mouth; It’s time for Ted’s Turds!”

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    Baud says:

    @raven:

    Excellent. That means the President did a fabulous job.

  17. 17
    raven says:

    @Baud: And, finally, the scold doesn’t like his sweater.

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    chopper says:

    America is exceptional because we were founded upon the notion that everyone should be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work….

    wait, what? his second sentence clearly refers to the first. no, marco, when america was founded, men and women were not guaranteed a chance to succeed regardless of who your parents were. if your parents were black, you were boned. if you were hard working as hell and you were a woman, you were boned. if you were a woman and your parents were black, god help you.

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    Schlemizel says:

    To answer MSNBCs question up there I’d like to relate a story of my youth (no onion in my belt)

    One terrible insult when I was a kid. “I shaved my ass & walked backwards, everyone thought it was you.”

    That is the face of the GOP

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    MikeJ says:

    Didja catch Erikson’s other tweet:

    Used tongs to get the baby out of the king cake tonight. I could get a job at Planned Parenthood.

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    TriassicSands says:

    Rubio v Paul?

    I thought Paul was much, much worse than Rubio. Paul’s speech was exactly the kind of vapid nonsense one would expect of a TeaBagger — Government is BBBaaaadddd. Government is the problem. Government is horrible. It was so tedious and monotonous that I could barely stay awake. When he said “For the first time in history…” I nearly choked. It has become accepted in LeftyLand that TeaBaggers haven’t a clue when it comes to the document they worship — the Constitution. But no one with an IQ above 80 could possibly look at the Framers and the original Constitution and think for even a nanosecond that what they meant to create and what they did create was some kind of egalitarian utopia with equal opportunity for all. I mean, there was that little problem of 3/5 of a person among other things. And why bother to mention the plight of women in the late 18th century — I mean Paul probably doesn’t consider them people, so they can’t alter the truth content of his statement.

    Rubio was more engaging (Paul always sounds whiny to me — he has a very unpleasant voice — scratchy) and the awkward move for the drink of water didn’t bother me at all, although he could have managed it with considerably more finesse. But the content of his speech was just more GOP boilerplate with lots of distortion and not even a nod to reality. For a guy who (with his parents) seems to have milked the government gravy train for all he could, Rubio seems mighty relaxed about gutting the programs he and his parents have relied on. Verdict — better looking than Mitch McConnell or John McCain, but the content is the same tired, failed BS that won’t die.

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    Helen Bedd says:

    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work…

    Hmmmm……however, after 30 years of trickle down we find ourselves in a country where the number one predictor of future success is the income/education level of the parents someone is born to…

    Plus U.S. upward mobility is currently among the lowest of major industrialized economies.

    http://www.epi.org/publication.....-mobility/

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    Punchy says:

    No new Nooge news? Jail or death yet?

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    1badbaba3 says:

    @raven: Why doesn’t Joe invite the President on for a good talkin’ to? I’m sure Obama will be so intimidated by Joe’s commanding prescence, and impressed by his fealty to the GOP’s wildly successful policies, that he’ll go Republican before the interview is over. That’s how fucking awesome is Our Joe.

    Also too, MIKAAAAAAAA!

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Good to see Erick son of erick keeping up the trenchant social commentary we’ve come to expect from him.

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    Brad says:

    I didn’t watch any of the festivities last night but, speaking of Rand Paul…

    A forum I post at has quite a number of libertarian types. One of them posted this picture of a direct mailer straight from Paul’s office. The internets could probably have some fun using the “any statement is true if you put it in brackets” technique.

    http://i.imgur.com/Z3QOAqW.png

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    MomSense says:

    @David Koch:

    Great photo! I think he will enjoy being a Supreme Court Justice in 2017.

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    Todd says:

    Get morality back into the papacy. Sil Berlusconi for Pope!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....75752.html

    VATICAN CITY — Looking tired but serene, Pope Benedict XVI told thousands of faithful Wednesday that he was stepping down for “the good of the church,” speaking in his first public appearance since dropping the bombshell announcement of his resignation.

    Jerry Sandusky is rested and ready as well…

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    America is exceptional because we were founded upon the notion that everyone should be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

    Waitaminute. I thought we had the right to life and liberty, period. And that we could pursue happiness. But only because Jefferson balked at putting in the right to property, which was in the original by Hobbes or Locke or one of those guys.

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    JPL says:

    Did SiubhanDuinne post an update last night?

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    1badbaba3 says:

    @MikeJ: Aw, he’s just throwing his Pope Hat into the ring. “Hi, I’m Son of Eric and I’m holier than fuck, bitchez”

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    Face says:

    I was stunned to see The Face of The Republican Party is at least 50% ears. Good lord, Dumbo may file a trademark infringment suit against him.

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    RSA says:

    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work….….

    I should hope not. Wouldn’t their own parents make more of a difference?

    But I’m also thinking about this guarantee, even though it didn’t really apply to women or people of color. “No more monarchy!” That’s like the guarantee lotteries give you that someone will win. Very weak.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: They would get an advantage by gutting the safety net: More & cheaper servants.

    Don’t ever think they don’t want more & cheaper servants.

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    MikeJ says:

    Just checked freeperland to see their reaction to Rubio. These are from various people there:

    Ah yes, Rubio not only has to worry about being upstaged by Rand Paul but now there’s another hispanic who is more conservative than he is to compete with and who rebuked him on immigration reform.

    From what I have seen and heard from Senator Rubio in the past few weeks, he seems to be his own “biggest threat”.

    Rubio is been speaking plenty in the past several weeks and I have not been impressed.

    I still want to know just why he did NOT vote against Hanoi John Kerry for Sec of State?

    Rubio will deliver the pro-amnesty capitulation and sellout of US citizens for the Republican Party.

    Rubio is GOPe in light cammo; are you too?

    Keep in mind for your trolling runs: GOPe (Republican establishment) are the Judean People’s Front.

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    J.D. Rhoades says:

    Did they even let Nugent in? I never saw him.

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    amk says:

    @J.D. Rhoades: They stuck that punk in the lastest possible row, up against the wall.

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    mikefromArlington says:

    SNL writers: “Did you see anything in the SOTU or the response to make something out of?”

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    Cassidy says:

    That shit was amteur hour last night.

    In unrelated news, The movement in the US to keep wrestling in the Olympics is annoying. Good people with good intent, but, Jeebus, they spam like crazy.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Punchy:

    Here is the countdown timer on Ted:

    http://countingdownto.com/countdown/176293

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    danielx says:

    @J.D. Rhoades:

    They did indeed let him in as a guest of Rep. Steve Stockman (R-insane), who is considered flaky even by Texas standards. The question that comes to my mind is when did Ted Nugent’s opinion on anything except perhaps how to tune a guitar become newsworthy? I suppose he’s got more talent (at least musically) than El Rushbo, whose opinions are supposedly the Republican gold standard but whose only real talent appears to be a genius for self promotion.

    Re Texas: What is it in the water down there, anyway? I’ve read a shit ton of stuff by Texas writers (god rest Molly Ivins), but the only real explanations I’ve seen are that loopy right wing billionaires swing a disproportionate amount of weight and that there are too damn many Baptists*. Other states, southern states in particular, have more than their fair share of teh crazy, but any state that can produce Louie Gohmert and Steve Stockman as elected representatives stands in a class by itself.

    *”The trouble with our Texas Baptists is that we do not hold them under water long enough.”

    – William Brann 1855-1898

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    kay says:

    @Arclite:

    Gabby Giffords

    Her husband is interesting, as an advocate. He takes a different approach. It’s unsentimental and brutally honest. He just recounts the event; the chaos, the shock, etc.

    I think it’s persuasive, partly because one of the things gun manufacturers have succeeded in doing is portraying the victims (or gun control advocates generally) as silly sentimentalists who either don’t know “the real world” or are using their victim status to manipulate. That marginalizes the victims. It’s a pat on the head. It’s patronizing. The general idea behind it is victims and gun control advocates are just too, too emotional to be taken seriously. It works, too.

    Kelley cuts through that dynamic they’ve set up, because he isn’t sad. He’s angry. I mean, he’s a very controlled person, so he’s not ranting, but it’s more effective low key. He’s there to tell people what it’s really like. A lot of blood and gore and confusion and shock in a strip mall. Blunt.

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    Applejinx says:

    Rubio looked frightened, more frightened than Bobby Jindal.

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    raven says:

    @kay: One would expect no less from someone of his background:

    In December 1987, Kelly became a Naval Aviator and received initial training on the A-6E Intruder attack aircraft. He was then assigned to Attack Squadron 115 (VA-115) in Atsugi, Japan, and made two deployments to the Persian Gulf on the aircraft carrier USS Midway, flying 39 combat missions in Operation Desert Storm. After receiving his master’s degree he attended the U.S. Naval Test Pilot School from June 1993 to June 1994. He has logged more than 5,000 hours in more than 50 different aircraft and has over 375 carrier landings.[10]

    He is the recipient of the following awards: two Defense Superior Service Medals; four Air Medals (two individual/two strike flight) with Combat “V”; one Legion of Merit; one Distinguished Flying Cross; two Navy Commendation Medals, one with combat “V”); one Navy Achievement Medal; two Southwest Asia Service Medals; one Navy Expeditionary Medal; two Sea Service Deployment Ribbons; and an Overseas Service Ribbon.[10][11]

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Brad: Why does a Senator from Kentucky have a Fredericksburg, Virginia return mail address?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @JPL: Oh hai :-)

    Thanks for asking, JPL. I was released from hospital yesterday afternoon and was told to rest quietly for a few days. They ruled out a lot of stuff, including heart, liver, g.b., etc. but didn’t suggest what might have brought on the attack Monday. But given my history, I am very relieved to know that my heart is sound and the 12-year-old quad bypass continues to do its job. Right now I feel tired but comfortable. And will monitor more closely with my doctor.

    As for the foot, xrays showed nothing broken or sprained. They wrapped it up in an Ace bandage and told me to keep it elevated and iced. It still hurts but at least I can put weight on it now which I couldn’t do 36 hours ago! And although I haven’t seen any financial paperwork yet, everyone involved from the hospital was taking a “this is our responsibility” stance.

    All in all, could have been much worse. I am a lucky woman. Thanks again to everyone for your good thoughts and comments and suggestions.

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    The Golux says:

    It was a kid’s presentation of a philosophy reduced to maybe the 9th grade level.

    The Republicans would have to skip at least one grade to make it to 9th.

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    Bulworth says:

    There needed to be extra separate rebuttals on behalf of Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Patriots and the People’s Front of Tea Party. Anything less is yet another example of librul media biaz.

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    Bulworth says:

    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work….

    When did this exceptional exceptionalism start? Surely not until some time after 1865. And probably not until way after that.

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    E. says:

    “The complexion of our skin.” Whaaa??? Whose skin?

    I think Paul is trying to say that race doesn’t matter but is only managing to reveal his belief that the only Americans who matter are the white ones. “It’s not because Americans are white that they are great, they are great for lots and lots of other reasons.”

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @MikeJ: “Rubio is been speaking plenty in the past several weeks and I have not been impressed.”

    Okay. That made me laugh!

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    JustRuss says:

    @E.: Yeah, I’m flabbergasted that national politician is talking about “the complexion of our skin”. On the teevee–well, intertubes–no less. I guess he means the complexion of Real Americans’ (TM) skin. Which is NOT what makes us great, so of course that’s why he feels the need to mention it. Aaack.

    And as for this comment

    For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work….

    So tell us, Senator Paul, how do you feel about the estate tax? And how awesome was it to serve in Congress along with your father?

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