Jeb! vs The New Kid

Well, I guess a conspiracy theorist might assume that some of the Media Village Idiots’ “ha ha, zero dark thirsty!” busy-ness could mean that Young Marco has offended his Party betters by trying to cut in line. Points to Buzzfeed, they posted McKay Coppins’ longread a full day in advance of Waterbottlegate:

In the months that have followed the 2012 election, the Biltmore, a 400-room luxury resort surrounded by banyan trees, has emerged as a national center of gravity for Republican politics: a must-stop for campaign fundraisers, and a favorite vacation spot for retired presidents. Bush runs his foundation out of an office at the hotel, and Rubio, who lives just a few miles away, has been spotted at the hotel gym’s morning spin classes.

It has become a matter of social survival here to develop a playful non-answer when asked which candidate one would support if both men decided to run for president in 2016, something Ana Navarro knows better than anyone. A high-profile Republican strategist, longtime girlfriend to the Biltmore’s owner, and an avowed friend and ally to both Rubio and Bush, Navarro described a Rubio vs. Bush face-off as “the nightmare scenario for everyone here.”…

On a sunny Sunday afternoon in December, Jeb Bush Jr. sat at a poolside table a few hundred yards from the office where his father plots his political future, and, between sips of Diet Coke, offered his view of the immigration landscape, eagerly name-checking high-profile Republicans he expected to work on the issue.

“You’ve got the old guard — Lindsey Graham, John McCain — but what will be really interesting to see is where [Texas Senator] Ted Cruz comes out on this issue,” Bush said. “He’s a Tea Party guy, but he’s really nice. I mean, he’s, you know, really bright, very intelligent, and also comes from Cuban descent.”

Conspicuously missing from his list: another Cuban-American Tea Party star who happened to live a few miles away. Wouldn’t Rubio be a leader on immigration?

“I hope so,” Bush said. “He’s got to actually execute and get something done rather than just talking.”

In the political soap opera that is today’s Republican Party, the younger Bush’s not-so-veiled swipe at Rubio could be viewed as a juicy plot twist in the winding narrative arc that leads to the 2016 presidential primaries. (Rubio declined to comment on the jab.) But Bush was also giving voice to a sentiment that had been growing in his hometown ever since Rubio took office in 2010…

We are never, ever going to rid of the Bush family crime syndicate, are we? They’re the political equivalent of herpes, or a yeast infection — when the American body politic’s immune system is stressed, up pops another Bush-rash….

89 replies
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    Cacti says:

    Someone else already said it, but I tend to agree. If Rubio runs in 2016, I wouldn’t even count on him being the favorite in Florida, much less anywhere else.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Jeb Fucking Bush will never be the nominee. And if they are so stupid to walk into Bush v. Clinton II, they are going to get slaughtered, and they will never lay hands on the White House again.

    The American public may be retarded as shit, but they will NEVER put another one of those clowns into office again.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    So I guess the horse racers just given up on the next four years and have become fixated on who the Republican candidate will be. Because the future of that party is our most pressing concern. Who goes to what gym?

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    Scamp Dog says:

    Before we get too worried, I’d like to remind everyone that Jeb Bush thinking about running is not the same thing as him even winning a primary, never mind a general election.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Is there enough virgin blood available to keep Cheney alive and pulling the strings until then?

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    cmorenc says:

    The Bush name will remain too toxic for Jeb Bush to make a successful run for President within his lifetime. OTOH Rubio will have no more experience in federal office (or big-time state office either) than Obama had when he officially launched his. Not saying Rubio at this point is as charismatic or capable a political figure as was Obama at the same relative point in the prequel to Obama’s launch of his own presidential run, but let’s not be too quick to dismiss Rubio H20 as a lightweight, either.

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    Yutsano says:


    I swear, they just need their next Great White Hope no matter where it comes from.

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    jamick6000 says:

    “I hope so,” Bush said. “He’s got to actually execute and get something done rather than just talking.”

    The whole point for republicans on immigration is “just talking.” Talk nice to latinos so that some more of them vote for you, but don’t actually *do* anything because voting for some kind of immigration reform would infuriate the base.

    Hating immigrants is a really important value to the rank-and-file right wingers, which I think people have been underestimating lately. Most of the rightists I know have some story about a Mexican lady they saw at the store who barely speaks English, pays for her groceries with food stamps, then hops into a brand new SUV, and it’s just disgusting how these people take our hard-earned money and can’t even learn the language like my great graBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Well, since we’re horse racing, why not Bush? Because I doubt any of the candidates who sat out 2012 are going to run. Daniels, Bush, barber, whatshisname former fat preacher with the kid who tortures dogs. Those are the guys who are experienced governors who were chatted up and didn’t get in. While we thought at the time it was because they were afraid if Obama and wanted to run against someone else, that turns out not to be the case. The Republicans actually thought Obama was vulnerable (to the point where they were shocked that they lost). So why didn’t these guys run then? Why would we expect them to run this time?

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    amk says:

    The floridians’ ability to fuck themselves by electing dicks like rubio and thugs like rick scott is plain amazing.

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    MattR says:

    @PsiFighter37: Don’t hold back. Tell us what you really think.

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    Ruckus says:

    Bush toxic in 4 years? From the party that 4 years ago ran an old geezer and an idiot? Then ran a lying cult bishop that no one liked. In 4 years they will have forgotten that dad was an asshole and will be saying how it is jr’s turn. They have the scruples of a flaming bag of dog shit. Their policies are whatever comes lower on the scale than that. The number of memories of how badly they fucked up approach zero. They will see that there have been 2 presidents named bush and that nothing else has worked so that’s who they will go with.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    The fact Bush complimented that crazy fucker Cruz should disqualify him from ever holding office again.

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    TriassicSands says:

    OMG. Jeb Bush. I feel sick. It’s not like Jeb would be worse than all the other lunatics, but the idea of electing another Bush (or having another one steal a presidential election) is really more than we should have to bear.

    Jeb, who was expected to be the presidential candidate, kind of got screwed by the Village Idiot, when George cut in line and managed to swipe the 2000 race. It must have been excruciating for his younger brother to watch as ol’ W screwed the pooch royally, making it impossible for Jeb to run when he probably would have made his initial move — 2004.

    For my part, I think the country and planet have endure quite enough from the Bush boys. Dad was a highly successful mediocrity who muddled his way through one job after another without distinguishing himself, but also without doing anything so bad it ended his ascent.

    Papa Bush gave the Peter Principle a damn good thrashing, and then Junior came along and beat it to death, set fire to it, launched it into the sun, and tossed it into a black hole. He rose so far above his level of (in)competence that he totally lost any connection to it.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Since his name translates as “Mark Blonde,” and Jeb Bush translates as “Jethro Shrub,” I really can’t see losing to these people.

    Even Mencken would set aside his cynicism of the American people when it comes to reading these opportunists.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    Oh, fuck on toast, are we really talking about SHOWDOWN 2016 already? OK FINE. No, it’s not gonna be Jeb Bush. Not if they want to win, anyway. Despite what conventional wisdom would tell you, most people still fucking hate George Bush, and trying to force his brother on us 8 short years after that fuckshow will not be received kindly.

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    Anya says:

    So, Jeb Bush is building up crazy Ted Cruz at the expense of Mr. thirsty. I don’t know what to say about that. I seriously believed that Jeb Bush was little bit more serious than that.

    Does this have anything to do with Jeb’s spawn making noise about political ambitions in Texas? Maybe that’s why he doesn’t want to anger the crazies.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    I don’t think Rubio’s killed his career or whatever with Drinkgate (John’s spot on about the meteor, for the record.) But I’ll repeat what someone else said (I forget who)-why have anyone who you have high hopes for give the SOTU Response? Has anyone ever actually upstaged the president doing it? Jindal and Rubio sure didn’t. Hell, just give it to some retired old fuck like Dick Armey who doesn’t have any aspirations beyond making money.

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    max says:

    We are never, ever going to rid of the Bush family crime syndicate, are we?

    They are they only ones who have been able to hold the party together and get enough Americans to go along with it since, uh, Reagan. You got Eisenhower, not at all a modern Republican, you got Nixon, the proto-modern Republican, and you have Reagan, playing the role of modern Republican. And then Bush, Bush, and they’ll probably try again.

    Nixon got lucky, second time at bat, taking everything but Texas and New York, and then he did a Bushian first term, and they got him reelected if also nearly impeached. Reagan had California and Texas and Florida and Illinois and Ohio and New York.

    By that point, the R party had gone far enough down the rabbit hole that they needed Bush the Elder to be a rocksteady conservative anti-taxer while appearing vaguely moderate and he went back on that. But they forgave the son, and the R’s will forgive the other son, because they want to win.

    There’s just nobody else who can carry the corporate water and get the donors, and staple the graycoat core base (not the same geographically as the Tea Baggers, but close enough for our purposes) together with everybody else in the R party, and still sound vaguely moderate. Or moderately vague.

    We won’t get rid of them until that finally breaks down, which it just might in 2016. Bush the Elder Junior might be too moderate at this point. But Rubio wouldn’t stand a chance against him, because Bush would take all the moderates away, and the conservatives would go to somebody else whiter and older (‘Nice kid, but… you know….’).

    Jump ball.

    It’s rerun time, kids! We’re going to keep getting the same election [2000,2004,2008,2012] over and over until somebody wins it decisively. Winning does not mean ideological victory for left, right or centrist, of course. It just means getting an unassailable coalition that the usual sorts will grudgingly (but quickly) accommodate themselves to. (Even if Bush were to run and win, he still won’t get that, which means we’d get another rerun in 2020.)

    [‘Madame Secretary, that’s your cue.’]

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    weichi says:

    A good opportunity to trot out my favorite political factoid: it’s been 84 years since a Republican took the Whitehouse without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket.

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    DocSardonic says:

    delurking for moment…Florida is going to be interesting in 2014. Roger Stone is said ( out of his own mouth) to be interested in making a run for Voldermort’s job as a libertarian. If that comes to pass the state GOP civil war will be quite the popcorn seller.
    reenterng lurker mode now

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    @Hill Dweller:

    The fact Bush complimented that crazy fucker Cruz should disqualify him from ever holding office again.

    All of this.

    I mean, he’s, you know, really bright, very intelligent

    Nah, son. Nah.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    But I’ll repeat what someone else said (I forget who)-why have anyone who you have high hopes for give the SOTU Response? Has anyone ever actually upstaged the president doing it?

    Yes, Jim Webb kicked ass in 2007

    The President took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command, whose jurisdiction includes Iraq, the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable – and predicted – disarray that has followed.

    The war’s costs to our nation have been staggering.


    The damage to our reputation around the world.

    The lost opportunities to defeat the forces of international terrorism.

    And especially the precious blood of our citizens who have stepped forward to serve.

    The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction.

    That’s how you give a SOTU response that is worth hearing. Great stuff.

    Rubio’s response was more STFU than SOTU.

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    Sly says:

    Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush fighting? This is really good news for Rudy Giuliani.

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    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN) says:

    Fuck the fucking Pittsburgh Penguins. I’m not an Ottawa fan but if I were, I’d nuke the fucking city. Matt Cooke needs to be suspended for a season.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    This is speculative speculation. McCain’s nomination proved the foolishness of the “it’s his turn now” nominating system and Romney reinforced the point.

    The opening guns of internecine warfare between the party at large and the TP have already sounded. Resolving that is going to be a huge distraction because it requires careful handling and the GOP seems to have removed the word “careful” from its lexicon.

    The R’s 2016 nominee could be anyone from a rested and refreshed Rick Santorum to some state governor who has remained below the RADAR.

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    GxB says:

    @PsiFighter37: I’d love to fully concur, but never, ever underestimate:

    1. The sheer full on head caving vacuousness of the electorate and the appeal of easy answers/scapegoats
    2. The power of big money
    3. The ability of the repugs to cheat

    Yeah ’12 wasn’t their year, but these fuckers are like the Terminator, and they don’t take losing well. I won’t rest easy until the GOP is as dead as the Whigs. That said, another Bushie is virtually a non-starter (FSM help us all) but I think Christie is going to be a strong contender.

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Oh, fuck on toast

    Worst. Pr0n. Evar.

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    patrick II says:

    in his post kindermord-gop-style Tom Levenson wonders why the powers witin the republican party put up Rubio for the state of the union rebuttal before he was ready. Now we find that Rubio is a competitor of Jeb Bush. Question answered?

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    SIA says:

    @PsiFighter37: I like the cut of your jeb.

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    pattonbt says:

    As much as I’d want to believe someone named Bush could never be politically viable ever again, I really don’t think it would be too much trouble for Jeb to get the R nomination and win the ultimate prize.

    He the “smart one” remember. “Sure W fucked things up, but Jeb won’t make the same mistakes” will be the mantra. Jeb will be seen as a “safe” “center” choice among the field of R lunatics he would oppose (in the R primary). He has the polish to do the dogwhistles smartly yet sound all nice and “reasonably”. And after the primaries, the lunatics and Village will get behind whoever the money boys tell them to (I mean for fucks sake they got behind Romney and were convinced he would win!). Jeb would walk through the primary “remember he has a latino wife!” and “he can speak in full sentences and good centrist WASP whistles”.

    I mean the R’s have so whitewashed their recent history (I mean they attribue so many thing to St Ronaldus Magnus that arent real and actually left of Obama) that all W’s failings will somehow be Obama’s fault and W will be a misunderstood genius on the way to becoming cannonized like Reagan.

    Americans are stupid and lazy (like people everywhere) and will fall in line with whoever is the more telegenic, tall and smooth talking candidate. Jeb ticks a few of those boxes and the machine and money will be behind him. And the Village will love him so.

    And as always, my prognostications are worth shit, so theres always that.

    And FYI, it is Jeb Bush JR, not Jeb Sr who is saying nice things about Cruz and Rubio.

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    The thing is that just about every Republican from Florida is up to his or her neck in criminal liability. And Jeb has the bonus of having work for Lehman Bros. post-governorship/pre-2008 crash selling junk.

    Still, I have a tea-partier in the family and she will vote for people who want to slash her throat, so who knows?

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    NotMax says:

    All Jebbie has to do is to change his last name.

    Jeb Cheney.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    /Jon Lovitz

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    Jewish Steel says:

    NYT 3/19/12

    Noting that in 1976 that Mr. Reagan was told he was too conservative and should get out of the race for the nomination, Mr. Santorum said that he still managed to win 11 primaries. “I might add parenthetically,’’ Mr. Santorum said, “that if we happen to win Illinois that would be the 11th state I’ve won in this election.’’

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    Jewish Steel says:

    A quote so nice I made it twice!

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    If Jeb runs, he’ll get nuked by handpicked Koch stooge Scott Walker. Walker is going to pop up as the real conservative assface and the one with the big money behind him. The other possibility is Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada but might qualify as a natural born citizen under the law (at least that’s what a quick googling suggests).

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    Mike E says:

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    Is there enough virgin blood available to keep Cheney alive and pulling the strings until then?

    Probably not, but I saw Charlie Rose furiously working his crank tonight on his teevee show.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Mike E:

    I saw Charlie Rose furiously working his crank tonight on his teevee show

    I sooo did not need that mental image…

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Cruz is loathsome. Everyone that has ever crossed his path has hated him afterward. Couple that with some of the absolute crazy shit he’s already said and done, and I don’t think he ever rises above Senator.

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    Mike E says:

    I watched it… I can’t unwatch it!

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Hill Dweller: he’s been uniquely loathsome since at least 1988, when my friend knew him at Princeton. But the fire-breathing dumbass contingent of the party is going to rally behind _somebody_, and I don’t think they’re going to put up with anyone who might be considered respectable by Politico and Joe Scarborough. That’s why the harder They, The Establishment latch onto Rubio, or Bush, or Christie, or whoever, the more the hardcore types are going to want an alternative. I’m handicapping Walker at #1 and Cruz at #2 for that wing of that party.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @Quaker in a Basement: Is there enough virgin blood available to keep Cheney alive and pulling the strings until then?

    Not in Florida.

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    Yutsano says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Walker just rejected the Medicaid expansion, so his InTrade value just skyrocketed. I wonder how many of these governours are going to reverse course after they see the huge pile of cash they’re giving up here.

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    sharl says:

    Via Weigel’s twitter feed, and only recommended for hardcore political masochistic junkies, here’s a wacky/bizarro “scoring” of five potential GOP preznitshul candidates for 2016. The candidates are Rubio, Christie, Martinez (NM Gov), Jindal, and (yaaay) Jebbie.

    BTW, if the goopers want to seriously consider JEB!, they’ll have no choice but to acknowledge the existence of the painter of Guy in Bathtub. So far they have been unwilling to do so – not even in 2012, four years after he shuffled back to Texas. If that happens, the media campaign will put the abilities of Faux Nooz, Frank Luntz, and others of their ilk to their severest test. In that event, we’ll also get to see just how forgetful and stupid the Greatest People in the Greatest Nation in the History of the Universe™©® can be.

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    @Yutsano: Do people actually take intrade’s odds seriously? It’s no different from a Las Vegas casino, in that they constantly adjust them so that they make money, as opposed to whether or not they think something will happen.

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    Oh, for fuck’s sake. Talking about a money wasting operation in Lost Wages, Nevada, in reference to another post, gets you into moderation.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    Not a problem. Hil beats anyone if she runs. If she doesn’t, I dunno.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    @cmorenc: he lacks the intelligence or the speaking skills of Obama. He’s half as smart, at best. Obama went statehouse to Senate just like Rubio and he was more polished than Rubio is now. Obama basically started running for president in 2006, about where Rubio is now. I don’t underestimate the well-heeled handlers he might be able to get, or the number of rubes who will vote for anyone with an R next to his name, but he’s no Obama. And I say that objectively.

    On the other hand, given obama’s election after 4 years in the senate, dems won’t be able to complain about Rubio’s inexperience. But hell Lincoln was in Congress for only two years.

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    raven says:

    Looks like the “Blade Runner” may have accidently shot his girlfriend during a Valentines prank. “Oscar Pistorius arrested after girlfriend shot dead”

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    CaptainHaddock says:

    Mark my words, 2016 is the year of Todd Palin.

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    Raven says:

    Mornin Joe is on an epic anti-NRA rant.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    Hot damn! Found my way back to the BJ site!

    Garbage collection is privately done in this paradise, so we have multiple companies and garbage trucks every day of the week. [Well, five days a week.] The doggie [Tulip] is very afraid of garbage trucks so I gotta go wake her up and persuade her to go outside before the monsters get here.


    This wonderful private service, by the way, costs about twice as much as the municipal service, plus the water, that I used in Ohio.

    Again, bah!

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    Schlemizel says:


    Neighbors claim they heard yelling & screaming from the house before the gun shot – may not be an accident.

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    Baud says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Take comfort in the FREEDOM you have from the TYRANNY of big government garbage collectors driving around in their mobile death panel trucks.

    And your little dog too.

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    Schlemizel says:

    As for Jeb v Rubio – I agree that the Bush name will be a real handicap outside the confines of the GOP asylum I don’t know that it will necessarily prohibit him from getting the nomination though.

    Rubio & Cruz are the darlings right now simply because they happen to be slightly tan. That will not help them with the 27% they need to get the nom unless the big daddies convince the crazies to ignore the fact that they are spi . . . er Hispanics. It might help them with some white voters in the general in the same way having some house negros out front helps them with whites who want to pretend the GOP is not racist.

    But look back at the last 4 open GOP primaries and notice that the supposed front-runner a couple years out only got the nomination once. My bet is it will be none of the above.

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    Anya says:

    @raven: Looks more like a domestic violence.

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    Linda Featheringill says:


    And your little dog too.


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    Schlemizel says:


    Police spokeswoman Denise Beukes said earlier reports that the suspect had been surprised by his girlfriend and had thought she was an intruder did not come from police.

    She said there had been reports from neighbours of shouting and screaming coming from the house earlier in the evening. She said police had been called to the house on previous occasions after reports of “a domestic nature”.

    As we are reminded by activists, handicapped people can do all the things normally abled people do.

    Another sad side affect of modern sports is that the first thing that popped into my head when I read the above was, “‘roid rage?”

    UGH is right

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    Schlemizel says:


    Sort of a tangent but I have had two odd government/tax info points pop up in the last few months & wonder what experiences others have had that might be similar.

    1) I was interviewed for a job in Wisconsin that would have required relocation. In MN WI is known for lower taxes (slightly) and cheaper car registration. Looking at homes with a realtor I found that property taxes on a similarly priced house in WI was more than twice what it is in ‘expensive’ Hennepin County, MN.

    2) A guy that just started at the place I am working had a screw up on his check. They accidentally started deducting North Carolina income tax instead of MN (long story). He finally got it straightened out & told me that the MN withholding was 50% LESS in MN than NC? Is state income in NC high?

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    Raven says:

    @Schlemizel: Buddy of mine is convinced that Dorner was a roid rage case.

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    Anya says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Reading Wikipedia, Ted Cruz sounds really smart and accomplished. Too bad he chose to play crazy.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Bush v. Rubio sounds very good.

    For Democrats.

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    Baud says:

    @Schlemizel: @Raven:

    Charged with murder. Just got an alert.

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    Baud says:


    I don’t have expertise in any of those areas. Except… I thought the employee gets to select how much of their paycheck is actually withheld, so I’m not sure why the amount of withholding matters. It’s the tax rate you should ultimately care about.

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    lojasmo says:


    Being the republican nominee doesn’t require the assent of the american electorate. It only requires a majority of republican primary voters during the republican primary.

    That particular slice of America is probably stupid enough to choose Jeb. In fact, I would bank on it.

    ETA: FYWP for your nymnesia.

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    scottinnj says:

    How do you say “Uppity” in Spanish? I think that is what Marcus Rubio is being considered here.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    And by the way, Happy Valentine’s Day to everyone.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Uphill climb for the Republican candidate, I would think, because we’re not going to have the usual economic recovery. More voters than ever still not secure in their prospects, although the well off now and media bloviators are fine.

    I don’t see a majority of voters handing the keys back to the GOP. Neither do they, hence the vote-rigging schemes.

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    Someguy says:

    Rubio drank water on camera. That means he’s a fucking moron and a boob and not suitable for higher office. Case closed – though we should make fun of the Goopers’ waterboy about it forever, just to remember why he’s insult-worthy.

    Now let’s move on to the next would-be Repuke presidential candidate and figure out how to mock and shame him out of the arena.

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    LGRooney says:


    Sounds like a new tag.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    Thanks for the link to Jim Webb’s SOTU rebuttal in 2007. I had forgotten how great it was, and how true it is 6 years later:

    When one looks at the health of our economy, it’s almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it’s nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.

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    Donut says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    We, as Democratic partisans, should talk about this all the time!

    Talking about how shitty and tired and awful their first string candidates are keeps the meme “out there,'” Cokie-style, that they are worthless, sickly, craven, irresponsible fuck-ups, and not to be trusted with the keys to the White House.

    Occasionally, you may have noticed that Coke points out that it is way more awesome than Pepsi. In this era, political parties have to maintain brand identification. I don’t like it, but it is what it is: perceptions matter as much as realities sometimes.

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    Helen Bedd says:

    Speaking of Jeb…..Reports from the Miami Herald last week claimed that he put together an investment group and made an offer to buy the Miami Marlins

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    kay says:

    Jeb Bush is the highest-profile former elected in the K-12 privatization push. He sells for-profit on-line schools to state legislatures. It’s what he does for a living, if any Bush does anything “for a living”.

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    Hoodie says:

    Just can’t see either of them getting the nod. Bush’s brand will kill him, as Republicans want to deny that GW ever existed. I don’t get the big deal with Rubio. He’s not ready for prime time, comes across as a member of the high school debating team. He just doesn’t make a splash like Obama, and you can bet he doesn’t have the organizational skills. He’s a flavor of the month that serves a short term purpose of reducing animosity in the hispanic community for the 2014 midterms, but he’s vice presidential material, at best. Even there he’ll have strong competition there from the likes of Martinez and Sandoval, who are better candidates that can actually deliver votes. My guess their candidate will be one of the governors, e.g., Walker, backed by Koch money, Christie, the darling of the Morning Schmoe crowd, or McDonnell, for the fundies. Dems shouldn’t be complacent,any of those could be a problem if Hillary is not able or willing to answer the bell. Otherwise, the Dem bench seems a bit thin and old. I imagine there are some talented younger dem pols out there, but they generally aren’t getting a lot of exposure. A party headed by a phenom like Obama is like a team with a superstar like LeBron, everyone tends to stand around and watch him play. Dems need to concentrate more on winning governorships. Best hope is that Hill runs and picks a younger, relatively unknown VP that can grow into the job.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Quaker in a Basement: It depends on how many horcruxes he made

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    keestadoll says:

    “We are never, ever going to rid of the Bush family crime syndicate, are we? They’re the political equivalent of herpes, or a yeast infection — when the American body politic’s immune system is stressed, up pops another Bush-rash….”

    Best of Balloon Juice Quotes 2013 sample. ahahahahahahaha

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    CaseyL says:

    I have two words for Jeb Bush: Terri Schiavo.

    His brother rushed back to DC to sign the fetid bill the GOP passed in the dead of night, but it was JEB! who did this:

    Florida Governor Jeb Bush issued an order on October 21 directing doctors to resume life support to vegetative patient Terri Schiavo. The order came six days after Schiavo had been taken off feeding tubes. Jeb Bush—the brother of President George W. Bush—acted in accordance with a statute passed that day by the state legislature giving him the authority to overrule a court decision.

    Yeah, I know: ancient history, right?

    But the Schiavo mess was the last straw in getting our host, John Cole, to finally abandon the GOP. I doubt he was the only one.

    If Jebbie runs, the anti-Jebbie ads will remind everyone of that.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Anya: he’s not playing crazy. He’s actually nutso. He was my friend’s freshman roommate. My friend is a libertarian-ish Republican and has thought Cruz was horrible on every level for 25 years.

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    Schlemizel says:


    If you fill out a W-4 & claim X number of dependents they will withhold at that rate. That would mean the amount withheld would be figured by the state taxing you for that number of dependents. So the withholding should indicate the level of income tax.

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    grandpa john says:

    @Someguy: Actually it was explicit evidence of incompetence and ignorance.
    My understanding is that his speech was pre-recorded, which means that at any time a section could have been reshot or that the completed tape could have been edited to eliminate obvious fuckups. It appeared that neither of these were done, so naturally inquiring minds would want to know why

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    Steeplejack says:

    @grandpa john:

    My understanding is that his speech was pre-recorded [. . .].

    His English rebuttal was live; only the Spanish one was prerecorded.

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    e.a.f. says:

    Living in Canada and watching this “southern show”, and having seen what the Rep. ran in 2012, Jeb Bush will be an improvement. His father and brother have won previously so they know how to do it. People voted Bushes into office 3 times. Never under estimate the lack of clear thinking of voters. Lets try to remember how many guns there are in the U.S.A. People who think assault rifles are o.k. and then think about who they are going to vote for. Yes, my money is on Jeb.

    If its Clinton 2 vs. Bush 3, my money goes to Bush 3, not that I’d vote for him but hey, never underestimate the voters’ lack of insight. Americans have never liked Clinton 2 that much. Just some woman who came with the president and she had an opinion. She won’t be forgiven.

    Rubio? sounds like some guy out of vegas who I wouldn’t want to meet in a back alley.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    Again, guys, relax. Hil beats anyone in 2016. If she runs.

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    tones says:

    I move that no one uses the name Bush without the “Crime Family” attached to it.
    It is high time that aspect becomes well known.

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    Stuart_b says:

    “Americans have never liked Clinton 2 that much”
    Not so. Left and much of Center have always loved her.

    “Just some woman who came with the president and she had an opinion. She won’t be forgiven.”
    Already has been, by enough of the wingers to matter, when the Dem choice was Hilary vs. Obama. And not a bad Sec. of State. Hilary-hatred is either mostly gone or will sound hollow if it returns.

    “but I think Christie is going to be a strong contender.”
    I’ll agree–same for Jindal. But mainly if one of them switches parties, spends the next four years making nice with Democrats and unions, and somehow gets HRC to either back him instead of running or put him number two on the 2016 ticket. Otherwise overweight or ethnic Republican sees the inside of the WH if he takes the tour or gets called to talk with the President.

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    southend says:


    Care to make it interesting? Jeb Bush will be the nominee in either 2016 or 2020 at the latest. Takin’ bets right over here.

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