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It would be fun to know how many times Ted Nugent has set himself on fire. I watched him very nearly do it at a Damn Yankees concert (it was a hipster trucker-hat phase). During a musical break, Nuge pulled out a compound bow, lit the arrow, missed a moving deer mannequin and lit up the stars-and-bars backdrop instead. Needless to say his crew had extinguishers.

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  1. 1
    the Conster says:

    It would be fun to know how many times Ted Nugent has set himself on fire.

    Not enough.

  2. 2
    ruemara says:

    Wow. So he really is that stupid.

  3. 3
    some guy says:

    Defecation, you are wallowing in it.

    I hope some reporter ask him if it is true, that was how he dodged the draft?

    or maybe ask him about his self-professed pedophilia. That would be cool. So many moving targets with the Nuge.

  4. 4
    NonyNony says:

    Wait, wait, wait.

    You mean Nugent burns flags?

    What kind of Commie is he?

  5. 5
    David Hunt says:

    That bow story is just about perfect. I especially like the part about setting fire to the flag. The irony is perfect.

  6. 6
    wenchacha says:

    I just wish Ted would be tapped to give the rebuttal to SOTU.

  7. 7
    jibeaux says:

    Ah, the Nuge at the SOTU. I see that the Conservative Victory Project is off to a…predictable start.

  8. 8
    smith says:

    @some guy:

    Remember when Nugent kept saying he was going to run for political office?

    My guess is the skeletons in his closet are bulging at the seams.

    When noted and renowned a-hole Gene Simmons calls you out on your douchebaggery (as he has with Nugent) it should be time to rethink your approach.

  9. 9
    Ohmmade says:

    And of course it was a compound bow. He’s too much of a sissy to use a conventional bow.

  10. 10
    jibeaux says:

    Also too, I assume someone has already searched for this marvelous possible footage on youtube?

  11. 11
    Amir Khalid says:

    @ruemara:
    That stunt sounds like it involved some safety violations. (The flaming arrow, the use of a dangerous weapon.) How did Nugent manage not to get arrested?

  12. 12
    Legalize says:

    Over-under on how many times the networks cut to Nugent for reactions to the president’s address.

    3 1/2

  13. 13
    Linda says:

    The Nuge getting invited to a SOTU is the logical conclusion of the conservative effort to create an echo chamber of as many public voices touting their views as possible, regardless of brains. The problem is that you get spokespeople who are pathetic pseudo-intellectuals (Meg McCardle), mean blowhards (like Rush) or dumbasses (like Nugent), none of which carry the ideological torch with a lot of honor. Karma is truly a beyotch.

  14. 14
    General Stuck says:

    And one more item to explode wignut heads.

    President Obama will announce during his State of the Union address that 34,000 American troops currently based in Afghanistan will return home by this time next year, a senior Obama administration official confirmed Tuesday.

    There will be no other troop number announcements during the State of the Union, according to the official. CNN’s Jake Tapper first reported the news.

    Sounds like ALL US troops will be withdrawn, without saying so explicitly. On the heels of reports that Obama and team have been considering doing just that, removing all American troops next year.

    And do it AGA. Against generals advice.

    The comments by US Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes were the clearest signal yet that, despite initial recommendations by the top military commander in Afghanistan to keep as many as 15,000 troops in the country, Obama could opt to remove everyone, as happened in Iraq in 2011.

  15. 15
    General Stuck says:

    And one more item to explode wignut heads.

    President Obama will announce during his State of the Union address that 34,000 American troops currently based in Afghanistan will return home by this time next year, a senior Obama administration official confirmed Tuesday.

    There will be no other troop number announcements during the State of the Union, according to the official. CNN’s Jake Tapper first reported the news.

    Sounds like ALL US troops will be withdrawn, without saying so explicitly. On the heels of reports that Obama and team have been considering doing just that, removing all American troops next year.

    And do it AGA. Against generals advice.

    The comments by US Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes were the clearest signal yet that, despite initial recommendations by the top military commander in Afghanistan to keep as many as 15,000 troops in the country, Obama could opt to remove everyone, as happened in Iraq in 2011.

  16. 16
    General Stuck says:

    And one more item to explode wignut heads.

    President Obama will announce during his State of the Union address that 34,000 American troops currently based in Afghanistan will return home by this time next year, a senior Obama administration official confirmed Tuesday.

    There will be no other troop number announcements during the State of the Union, according to the official. CNN’s Jake Tapper first reported the news.

    Sounds like ALL US troops will be withdrawn, without saying so explicitly. On the heels of reports that Obama and team have been considering doing just that, removing all American troops next year.

    And do it AGA. Against generals advice.

    The comments by US Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes were the clearest signal yet that, despite initial recommendations by the top military commander in Afghanistan to keep as many as 15,000 troops in the country, Obama could opt to remove everyone, as happened in Iraq in 2011.

  17. 17
    dmsilev says:

    @Legalize: I’m kind of hoping that he can’t control himself and shouts out something offensive. And then gets dragged out of the chamber by the Capital Police.

    (I’ll have to see it after the fact; I have another commitment tonight which will keep me away from the TV)

  18. 18
    General Stuck says:

    And one more item to explode wignut heads.

    President Obama will announce during his State of the Union address that 34,000 American troops currently based in Afghanistan will return home by this time next year, a senior Obama administration official confirmed Tuesday.

    There will be no other troop number announcements during the State of the Union, according to the official. CNN’s Jake Tapper first reported the news.

    Sounds like ALL US troops will be withdrawn, without saying so explicitly. On the heels of reports that Obama and team have been considering doing just that, removing all American troops next year.

    And do it AGA. Against generals advice.

    The comments by US Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes were the clearest signal yet that, despite initial recommendations by the top military commander in Afghanistan to keep as many as 15,000 troops in the country, Obama could opt to remove everyone, as happened in Iraq in 2011.

  19. 19
    Tim F. says:

    @jibeaux: No chance. This was before people had little concealable video camera phones that you could take everywhere.

    @Amir Khalid: Before Great White, bands playing a smallish venue could get away with a lot.

  20. 20
    Cassidy says:

    I still have a snoring cat in my lap. I have to pee.

  21. 21
    General Stuck says:

    Thanky you word press. I been a bad boy.

  22. 22
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Still drunk from last night? Or a too-heavy hand with the morning Bailey’s?

    Foreplay?
    Waiting to get more context on this one, but CNN’s Dana Bash says Speaker John Boehner was asked about a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and he responded: “how about a little foreplay first.” Ummm … stay tuned?

  23. 23
    schrodinger's cat says:

    I lost all respect for Anthony Bourdain, after he was all chummy with Ted Nugent on an episode of No Reservations. BTW that’s the first time I ever saw TN. Until then I did not know that he even existed.

  24. 24
    Punchy says:

    No surprise here.

    We need Obama to come out and urge Republicans to not eat arsenic.

  25. 25
    Todd says:

    It gets weirder and weirder.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02.....?hpt=hp_t2

    Pope Benedict XVI is not suffering from any specific disease that forced him to resign, his spokesman said Tuesday, a day after the news that he was stepping down shocked the world’s 1.2 billion Roman Catholics.
    The pontiff is resigning because he does not feel he has the strength to continue as the church’s leader, the Rev. Federico Lombardi said, adding that it was a “spiritual” decision.

    What the fuck does that mean?

  26. 26
    peach flavored shampoo says:

    What the fuck does that mean?

    I think it means the RCC is about to be hit with either a monster pedo lawsuit/investigation or a money-laundering one. And Pope “eggs” Benedict is likely armpits-deep associated with both.

  27. 27
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Todd: Maybe it just means he’s 85 years old and tired. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  28. 28
    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    That is an awesome story Tim. Though I never quite understood the appeal of the Damn Yankees.

  29. 29
    the Conster says:

    @Todd:

    Spiritual=Blackmail.

  30. 30
    jibeaux says:

    @Tim F.: Oh well. I guess we can make due with the existing photographic and videographic documentation.

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    jibeaux says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I like to think that God suggested he retire.

  32. 32
    Cacti says:

    I watched him very nearly do it at a Damn Yankees concert (it was a hipster trucker-hat phase) (I’m an embarrassed cock rock fan).

    Fix’t

  33. 33
    j says:

    Deadbeat dad Joe Walsh is asking the courts to end his child support payments because (get this) he was fired from his job and has no income.

    But Walsh insists he’s not trying to get out of paying anything.

    He said the key part of the filing comes at the end; when it asks that the court “modify Joe’s child support obligation to a sum equal to 20 percent of his net income until the minor child graduates from high school in 2013.”

    Asked why the motion was titled “motion to terminate child support,” Walsh’s lawyer, Janet Boyle, characterized the title to the motion, which Walsh signed, as misleading.

    “It probably should have been a motion to modify, that’s probably what I would have captioned it. My office used a word that is getting turned around here,” Boyle said. “That’s what we’re asking for, a modification, whether that’s modified to zero or some other number has yet to be seen.”

    That’s right, he is only asking that his obligation be cut to 20% of nothing.

    http://www.suntimes.com/181650.....pport.html

    What a slime ball.

  34. 34
    SatanicPanic says:

    Of all the classic rock musicians we’ve been stuck talking about, I wish it would have been someone who was at least good. Billy Gibbons or Steven Tyler or Angus Young, anybody but ol’ hack Nugent.

  35. 35
    Jerzy Russian says:

    @smith:

    When noted and renowned a-hole Gene Simmons calls you out on your douchebaggery (as he has with Nugent) it should be time to rethink your approach.

    That is the guy from KISS? Out of idle curiosity, how does my Simmons’ assholery manifest itself?

  36. 36
    minutemaid says:

    It never ceases to amaze me how easily you BJers and a lot of other progressive bloggers fall for these GOP attention grabbing gimmicks. You are doing exactly what they want. Talking about it. And if you think they give a shit WHAT you think about it then you are sadly mistaken.

    All they care about is that you ARE talking about it which means less time talking about the stuff they don’t want you to talk about. Such as the substance of the SOTU. Gun control. Victims of Gun violence invited to the SOTU.

    Congratulations on continuing to be the GOP’s bitch.

  37. 37
    jl says:

    How many times has Ted Nugent walked around for week in the same pants sh*tt*ng himself to avoid something?

  38. 38
    Amir Khalid says:

    The trick I’ve been using to get into the New York Times and read stories past the first ten every month — deleting everything in the URL from the question mark on, then reloading — doesn’t seem to work anymore. The page now reloads with the firewall still up. Has anyone else noticed this?

  39. 39

    I’d like to say that it’s long past time to end the televised State of the Union address and return to the days when the President just sent Congress a letter.

    Also, can we arrange a Rebuttle to the 3rd Response to the State of the Union address by Ozzy?

  40. 40
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yup. that “spiritual” has all the depth and meaning of a quarterback pointing two fingers at the sky after a touchdown, or your neighbor telling you she “prayed on it” before deciding to use her “tax return” for a trip to Vegas instead of paying off her credit card debt.

  41. 41
    Paul in KY says:

    @Todd: He’s real old & those papal alter boys can’t spank themselves (in that manner).

    Need a more vigourous pontiff.

  42. 42
    dan says:

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s what Bill Clinton said.

  43. 43
    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony says:

    I approve of him burning the stars and bars. He should do that during every show.

  44. 44
    Yutsano says:

    @j: And his ex-wife’s lawyer is grinning like the Cheshire cat. All s/he has to do is show that Joe has a radio show and mad PAC munnies coming in and boom so much for your modification. He ain’t real smaht is he?

    @minutemaid: Derp de Durf. Seriously dude, get a new schtick. Or a life.

  45. 45
    Ben Franklin says:

    @Comrade Dread:

    can we arrange a Rebuttle to the 3rd Response to the State of the Union address by Ozzy?

    I think there’s actually film of Ozzy’s bat-chewing, but I love the urban legend Frank Zappa addressed in an interview wherein he ate shite on stage.

    Answer; ” The closest I’ve come to eating shit is at a Holiday Inn buffet in Nebraska”

  46. 46
    Hawes says:

    In the spirit of setting one’s self on fire, the IOC just axed wrestling from the freaking Olympics in favor of Modern Pentathlon, badminton and rhythmic gymnastics.

    If I was an aspiring politician, I might note that the center of wrestling in this country runs along I-80, through PA, OH, IA, MN… you know… swing states.

    Chance to make hay complaining about Eurotrash aristocrats taking away wrestling.

  47. 47
    jl says:

    And speaking of manly man stuff, the Olympics drops wrestling? What? I guess the 200 meter dash and 5K run will go next.

    Not a big rasslin’ fan. In fact, not a rasslin fan at all, except do like to watch it during the Olympics. It’s olde tymey Olympics stuff.

    No rasslin’, and I’m out of watching Olympics.

    I heard they need room for… squash? Squash?? No offense to squashers out there, but drop wrestling for squash? We are going to watch hours of tennis, ping-pong (excuse me, table tennis), badmitten, AND squash? And yachting, I forgot yachting.

    And I heard need room for baseball too. I am more sympathetic to that.

    How can you have an Olympics without rasslin’?

    They should drop tug of war and indian club juggling IMHO.

  48. 48
    General Stuck says:

    @minutemaid:

    Dude, that is the old way of doing things. Rise above the wingnut crazy, don’t even acknowledge it and voters will see them for what they are. Although it seems like good common sense, it has been a recipe for defeat for democrats.

    American voters hate a snob that plays by ignoring their opponent. They may see the wingnuts as they are, assholes and idiots, but they expect democrats to interact with their bullshit, and give as good as get. It’s the bitchslap theory of politics, that I agree with within limits.

    Mockery is not the kind of attention that republicans are looking for. Just so long as it isn’t namby pamby I’m okay, you’re okay transactional politicking , democrats win with a little assholish attitude of their own. That is what we do here.

  49. 49
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @the Conster:

    My thought exactly. CLEARLY not enough. Yet.

  50. 50
    dmsilev says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yeah, me too. I think they fixed that loophole yesterday. Only took, what, two or three years?

  51. 51
    Hal says:

    Ted Nugent shit himself to avoid the Vietnam draft:

    http://gawker.com/5983634/patr.....-the-draft

    So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You fucking swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t piss, But my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat.

    But, if he had not chickened out?

    But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherfuckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it.

  52. 52
    geg6 says:

    @minutemaid:

    All they care about is that you ARE talking about it which means less time talking about the stuff they don’t want you to talk about. Such as the substance of the SOTU. Gun control. Victims of Gun violence invited to the SOTU.

    Yeah, because we never, ever, ever talk about those things! We just spend all of our time freaking out over how mean the Nuge is and breathlessly recounting his every minute. And we’re too stupid to realize that the GOP has set us up again! The GOP is the Road Runner and we’re all Wile E. Cyote!

    Jeebus. Get a fucking sense of humor.

  53. 53
    jl says:

    And I hope Ted Nugent making a scene sets a new standard for pundit panels.

    I want to see a panel with Ted Nugent, Ozzie, Meatloaf and Gene Simmons discussing the State of Union address. Someone tell me which network has that and I’ll watch.

    I’ll pass up PBS, which will probably have boring eggheads like Jagger, Keith Richards, Madonna and ChuckD. Who wants to hear Richards droning on about the lessons of the Dickensian workhouse state for social welfare policy today? I sure don’t.

  54. 54
    MikeJ says:

    @jl: Sailboat racing is one of the best sports in the Olympics. Not really accurate to call it yachting since the largest boat they race anymore is less than 20′.

  55. 55
    Mojotron says:

    TN (Ted Nugent): You know what I’m on top of? A real America with working-hard, playing-hard, white motherfuckin’ shitkickers.

    BM (interviewer Bob Mack): Why do they have to be white? Aren’t there any black shitkickers?
    TN: Show me one!
    BM: There’s plenty. There’s one named Russell Simmons.
    TN: Ain’t never heard of him!

    BM: He’s head of Def Jam Records. In fact, I heard that you told Russell you were a bigger nigger than he’ll ever be.

    TN: That’s exactly what I said.
    BM: Now what did you mean by that?
    TN: I meant that I’ve got soul, that I don’t resort to fuckin’ electronic drumbeats, and I listen to James Brown and Wilson Pickett–those are niggers! Those are fuckin’ spirited, genuine Afro-Americans.

    BM: See, I still have a problem with this attitude.
    TN: What attitude?
    BM: Most people would call it racism, Ted.
    TN: I’m not a racist by any stretch of the imagination.
    BM: Then why do you equate shitkicking and real America with white people?

    TN: Because the black guys with this rap, electronic, make-believe talentless music make me want to throw up! Where’s the soul?

    BM: Time out, Ted!
    TN: Are you gonna let me answer a question or not?
    BM: No, I’m gonna cut you off, ‘cuz if you’re an artist (Ted belches), why does the first paragraph of your latest press release say that your art is “designed to piss off liberals”? That’s propaganda! Liberals and conservatives have nothing to do with it! I’m a conservative! I like your early music! Why don’t you get back and jam like you fuckin’ used to? Without all the cheesy……

    Ted also goes on to lovingly reminisce about apartheid-era South Africa and compare it to NAFTA, tells the Native American cameraman “Yeah, before bingo and whiskey, you guys were all right”, and tells them that his new album will cause them to “shit blood. This time will be real. It won’t be HIV-positive, either.”

    I can’t seem to track down the NME interview where Nugent claims that Stewart Copeland will be “choppin wood for me someday”.

  56. 56
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Todd:

    He is suffering from a specific disease.

    Alter boy rape coverupitis. The paper trail on it is getting closer and closer to Ratzi’s own self.

  57. 57
    Paul in KY says:

    @minutemaid: I can multitask.

  58. 58
    dmsilev says:

    NASA continues it’s long campaign to lie to the American people, I mean has a collection of very pretty Hubble images.

  59. 59
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Hawes:

    In the spirit of setting one’s self on fire, the IOC just axed wrestling from the freaking Olympics in favor of Modern Pentathlon, badminton and rhythmic gymnastics young women in leotards that leave nothing to the imagination.

    FTFY

  60. 60
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherfuckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it.

    Um, no, Ted. You’d have come home in a body bag. Killed by your own troops, ala Doug Niedermayer.

  61. 61
    jl says:

    @Hal:
    @Mojotron:

    We may want to thank that Congresscritter who gave Nugent a spotlight tonight. I hope Ted can find a way to come out of his shy retiring shell and say what he really thinks.

    Army man? Really? Army man…

  62. 62
    Joey Maloney says:

    @Jerzy Russian: That is the guy from KISS? Out of idle curiosity, how does my Simmons’ assholery manifest itself?

    How about going on Fresh Air and telling Terry Gross, “If you want me to welcome you with open arms, you have to welcome me with open legs”?

    Listen here.

  63. 63
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Hawes:

    Um, wasn’t rasslin’ part of the original Olympics, you know, run by those Greek fellers back in Greece in the BC era?

  64. 64
    Suffern ACE says:

    @minutemaid:

    Gun control. Victims of Gun violence invited to the SOTU.

    Well, o.k. then. But it is possible that their anti-gun control stunt is more outrageous than our gun safety stunt. What are we to do? Invite crazy victims of gun violence?

  65. 65
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @j:

    The judge should say something along the lines of, “OK, I’m going to modify your obligation. To 50% of your income. The next time you come back here, it will go up another 10%.”

  66. 66
    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I think it was. Both the famous Greco-Roman style and some kind of archaic freestyle (which is not the same as modern freestyle).

    The Greeks had religious festivals for dancing youth leaving nothing, or very little to the imagination. You can still read about the beautiful boobs on display in Alcman.

    Maybe if they just switched to lady mud wrestling and pro-wresting, with a good audience demo, they would bring it back.

  67. 67
    Steeplejack says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I just checked, and you are correct. I use(d) the same method, but now it isn’t working (Firefox 18.0.2).

    What does still work is NYClean. Just checked it on multiple Krugman blog entries.

  68. 68
    mdblanche says:

    @Todd: I can only think of two scenarios behind this resignation that make sense. First, the Pope just received a medical diagnosis for something that wouldn’t kill him but would leave him too debilitated to perform any of his duties. But if the Vatican says that’s not it, the second is that the Catholic Church is about to be hit by its biggest crisis since the days of Martin Luther.

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    Cassidy says:

    @minutemaid: Awwww…how cute when they assume we can’t hold more than one thought or converse on multiple topics. We are not bound by firebagger limitations.

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    handsmile says:

    Stephen Colbert did not disappoint (does he ever?) on last night’s Report largely devoted to the resignation of Joey Ratz. (His opening segment, however, rendered judgment on Dubya’s new hobby.) I expect it was only his opening salvo on the matter.

    There was an unusually uncomfortable interview with historian Garry Wills, whose new book, Why Priests?, clearly unnerved the devout Catholic Colbert.

    Well worth your time (at the link below or on a Comedy Central rebroadcast today).

    http://www.colbertnation.com/

  71. 71
    minutemaid says:

    @General Stuck: Yea, ignoring them never works. When everyone started ignoring Sarah Palin all that happened is that nobody talks about her anymore and she got fired from Fox. That’s all.

    People don’t talk about Dick Morris anymore either except when he is the butt of a joke and all that happened is that he got fired from Fox.

    People started to ignore Glenn Beck and all that happened is that he got fired from Fox and now has some radio show nobody listens to.

    So yea, ignoring them doesn’t work…..lol.

    The stupid it burns. Seriously people. Are you all that dumb? How can people this naive function? I’m amazed you can even use a computer well enough to write these ridiculous posts.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Cassidy: Durf isn’t a firebagger. He imagines himself as JC’s greatest critic and thorn in his side. The whole fact he’s not American just makes that funnier to me. Fix yer own damn politics Durf. Oh wait, you’re stuck with Harper until 2015…

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    Linnaeus says:

    If you look at it one way, there’s a certain irony in the Stars and Bars being displayed at a Damn Yankees concert. Glad it burned.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @minutemaid:

    Concern troll is concerned. Film at 11.

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    Violet says:

    @Amir Khalid: I don’t read enough NYT to notice, but when I do run into a problem with hitting the paywall limit, I put the URL or article title into Google, click it from there and I can read it. Takes about five seconds.

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    Raven says:

    @minutemaid: You’re gettin on my nerves douche bag.

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    J.D. Rhoades says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    Though I never quite understood the appeal of the Damn Yankees.

    Did you go to high school in the late 70’s?

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    handsmile says:

    @dmsilev:

    Thanks for that wonderful link and your sly remark. (But you’ll be the one responsible if it summons forth a particular troll.)

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    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Ancient Olympic Events

    Boxing
    Equestrian events
    Chariot racing
    Riding
    Pankration
    Pentathlon (Discus Javelin Jump Running Wrestling)
    Running
    Wrestling

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Olympics/sports.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Olympic_Games

    Seems to me that, from the description of how they boxed and rassled, modern mixed martial arts might be good replacement for old school rasslin’.

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    Origuy says:

    There are a half dozen countries for which wrestling is the top sport; Mongolia, Turkey, Bulgaria, probably all the Central Asian countries. It can’t be expensive to put on. The IOC just sees TV $$$.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: @Raven: Durfs gotta Durf. It’s not his fault you don’t recognise his amazingly adept political genius after all. Why, he can talk about a country he can’t vote in all day!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jl:

    IIRC women were not allowed to attend the Olympics back then, not because they’d see men dancing about oiled up in the altogether tossing javelins and rasslin’, but because this was a sacred event that women should not participate because, well, they’re women, you know.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Steeplejack:
    Thanks for reminding me. NYTClean still works for me too.

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    Cassidy says:

    @jl: Pankration is very similiar to MMA on it’s own.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jl:

    What the modern Olympics really need are chariot races! I propose we get the NASCAR boys to turn left repeatedly under the five rings!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Violet:

    Nice tip! That works too, although NYClean is faster.

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    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Alcman wrote about different Spartan religious festivals where youngins danced all buck nekkid.

    I was just saying that they had separate forums for watching youngins prance around with little or nothing left to the imagination.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Amir Khalid: Hey you feeling okay? I’m a little sensitive to anyone getting sick after the NYD was hospitalised for flu last week. It’s the Jewish mother in me. :)

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    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’m working on a combo of roller derby, mixed marital arts and badminton (please excuse my earlier gaucherie). I figure it will make the Olympics by the 2030s.

    Edit: I like your five ring NASCAR idea, though. Maybe we should get together and combine the ideas. With a little destruction derby thrown in.

    And tractor pulls! Jalopy races! I want an all heartland America Olympics, dammit.

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    Violet says:

    @Steeplejack: Yeah, I’m sure it is. I haven’t used it. I just don’t read that much NYT, but sometimes I hit my limit because I’ve clicked through on links too many times. At those times I can’t remember the other work arounds and just go with the Google one. If that quits working, I’ll give the NYClean one a try.

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    dmsilev says:

    @handsmile: Yeah, I know. The link is worthy, but I just couldn’t resist the jab as well.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @jl: Yeah, but MMA isn’t on the list. Karate, baseball, rock climbing, wushu, and surfing are. Oh, and something called “roller sports”, which had better be banked-track roller derby, because I’m not really interested in another racing sport.

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    El Caganer says:

    @minutemaid: So you’re saying that if the FPers and commenters here – on a blog – continue to be distracted from The Serious Issues….the Republicans will have won!!!! My God, how could I have been so blind? Thanks. Just – thanks.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @j: “Fired” from his job? Dog, I hope he’s not eligible for unemployment benefits. I thought he had just gotten a right-wing think tank gig. Slime bucket, indeed.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    something called “roller sports”, which had better be banked-track roller derby, because I’m not really interested in another racing sport.

    I think you’re going to be disappointed.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @El Caganer:

    I do believe concern troll is immune to dry, subtle sarcasm. It’s why the zombies pass him by when looking for brains every time.

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    Cassidy says:

    But lets be real, the next Olympics will be Swimming, Track & Field, and Beach Volleyball…again.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: You see, it’s funny because…

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    Anya says:

    GOP is using the hashtag #notserious at tonight’s SOTU address.

    How’s this for my first tweet: GOP #NotSerious invites to SOTU a man who defecated on self to avoid military service.

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    jl says:

    Insane Clown Posse gonna have a commentary on the SOU address?

    Oh, I guess that will be the rebuttal… bad-da-boom! (rimshot).

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    catclub says:

    @jl: “mixed marital arts”
    Definitely porn, there.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    @Joey Maloney: That is some weapons-grade assholery there for sure.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Anya: I stole this.

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    jl says:

    @catclub: Would attract a good TV demo, no? Hope they add it.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Anya: They’ve already announced how their talking points for deriding a speech they haven’t heard yet.

    Back in ye olden days the opposition used to pretend to be interested in issues instead of team rivalry.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @dmsilev: Beautiful images. Thanks for link.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Yutsano:
    Worst is over. I have avoided a chest infection. Nose is drying up, throat not quite as ticklish. Panadol Soluble is taking care of the aches and pains. Strepsils sugar-free lozenges for the throat, as a supplement to the world’s most cost-effective cough syrup: a bit of honey stirred into hot water. In a few more days, it’ll be like nothing ever happened.

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    catclub says:

    @jl: You got your singles, your doubles, your mixed doubles, your canadian doubles.
    shirts and skins. It’s all good.

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    Joel says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Bourdain has mostly been a pretentious douchebag in the past. To his credit, he has improved some.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @jl: I’ve been to a real life tractor pull. It’s just tractors… pulling stuff. Like they did every other day where I grew up. Funny how you can grow up in Real America and still end up not a real American.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Punchy: Arsenic is a slow acting poison. I suggest we change it to mercury, instead.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Amir Khalid: Add ginger to the honey and a touch of cayenne.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @jl: I think the Pankration had 3 rules:

    No eye gouging
    Cannot stick fingers in opponent’s ears
    Can not rip balls off body

    Other than that, go to it.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Hawes:What really chaps my ass about this wrestling decision (which I posted about in AL’s apparently dead open thread downstairs) is that wrestling is among the least-expensive — and thus most democratic — sports to run or to participate in. Which certainly doesn’t hurt its popularity in, say, Mongolia or Bulgaria. Modern pentathlon is among the most expensive. But modern pentathlon has Juan Antonio Samaranch Jr. on its board.

    Follow the money indeed.

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    Poopyman says:

    While I cede the crown for pooping skills to Tedly The Nuge, I’m hanging on to the nym. At least for now.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Hal:

    I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you

    Shut the fuck up, shoulda coulda woulda man.

    And “army man?” Army men are made out of plastic.

    @Mojotron: Jesus, what a racist asshole.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Paul in KY: According to wiki it was no biting or eye gouging.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Cassidy: So it was even rougher! Ripping your balls off was then a winning move (or the move that really pisses him off).

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    WereBear says:

    @Joey Maloney: Yes, that’s Gene Simmons. I understand his “batting average” is impressive, but his technique consists of “Wanta?” to every XX Chromosome he meets.

    Guess it works for him.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I don’t let myself hope for much, but I am loving that there is at least some pushback from Serious (if not quite Very) People in Serious fora pushing back against the Broderism of the Green Rooms, doing it with a bit o’snark. Jonathan Chait:

    What makes Joe Scarborough such an enjoyable figure is his combination of affability, good intentions, high self-regard, low self-awareness, and total lack of analytical reasoning skills. He is not remotely dislikable. He is Ron Burgundy come to life.
    The nerd is the natural enemy of Joe Scarborough, as nerds defy everything Scarborough has come to believe about the expected order of things. Scarborough’s confrontations with nerds like Nate Silver and Paul Krugman have all taken the same general form:
    Nerd: You are expressing a conventional wisdom that is at odds with the data but has gained currency by endless repetition among like-thinking elites.
    Scarborough: All my friends know you’re crazy!

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    Poopyman says:

    @Cassidy: @Paul in KY: Hmmm. I can see the definite tactical advantage of completely coating oneself with oil.

    Hopefully makes it hard to get a grip.

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    WereBear says:

    @mdblanche: the Pope just received a medical diagnosis for something that wouldn’t kill him but would leave him too debilitated to perform any of his duties.

    That occurred to me, too, but the last Pope was barely conscious for over a year. Frailty does not matter.

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    jl says:

    I read in Wikipedia that in the Ancient Olympics, if you killed your opponent in a boxing or wrestling match, he was declared the winner.

    I don’t want to think about why they would have needed that rule.

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    tim f's third grade teacher says:

    On this occasion of the state of the union I would like to call upon all members of the balloon juice community to deeply contemplate suicide. Now I realize self doubt, not even self-reflection is nearly impossible for such a choiral community. This is why you must try to imagine a world without your thoughts, intentions, actions, physical selfs. Imagine those who would be much better off, imagine those who might be worse off, sure most of you will be reaching for pill bottle at this point, because lets face it, you really are an aggravated collection of the worst humanity has to offer. Then think of your pets, perhaps this will redeem most of you. I don’t really want anyone killing themselves,its just an exercise. I mean if you must, and a few pounds of fluff isn’t enough to balance the mental, emotional, cultural,social, sexual,spiritual.and physical malignancy you represent who am I to argue with your self appointed demise? Its the choice I would probably make if I were you, shit if i were you I would have killed myself a long time ago.

    If you see yourself at all in these words, please, contemplate.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    He (Scarborough) is not remotely dislikable.

    Huh. Chait is either too chummy or not really paying attention.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Citizen_X: I just a quote from him on the MSNBC scroll that he’s promising to “demilitarize” himself before going in for the SOTU. I guess if you can’t grasp the idea of a “well regulated militia”, you’re going to have trouble understanding that buying a gun, for a hundred guns, doesn’t make you an “army man”

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    Jennifer says:

    People started to ignore Glenn Beck and all that happened is that he got fired from Fox and now has some radio show nobody listens to.

    Yeah, the radio show, the books, and the subscription internet broadcast, which brought him $80 million last year. Beck didn’t lose his spot on Fox because he didn’t have viewers – he lost it because he finally became an embarrassment for Fox News, which is a tall order. No doubt he doesn’t have as large an audience as he had on Fox, but none of this came about because of anyone “ignoring” Glenn Beck.

    So yea, ignoring them doesn’t work…..lol.

    To the contrary – what has worked with both Beck and Sarah Palin is exposure, which generally doesn’t result from ignoring them. If you hadn’t noticed, Palin pretty much dropped off the radar after Game Change aired with its revelations about the depth of her ignorance – having to be coached on which countries were on which side in WWII – and again, she became an embarrassment for Fox News, which as we’ve already established is a high bar to clear. She still has her groupies, though I would guess it’s a much smaller following than Beck’s… Beck may be crazy but he actually does put in the hours – Palin is much too lazy for that, so without the Fox platform she won’t be followed by many. But it came about not because she was ignored, but because she was exposed.

    The stupid it burns. Seriously people. Are you all that dumb? How can people this naive function? I’m amazed you can even use a computer well enough to write these ridiculous posts.

    Yes, the stupid does burn. For your question regarding our collective intelligence, I feel that it can best be answered by the phrase “Dunning-Kruger Effect.” You can look it up on wiki and if you are able to follow it, it will answer your last question as well as explain why you have the sense of amazement regarding our basic computer skills.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Paul in KY: If it was Sparta he might have thought it was a proposal.

    @jl: Not in Pankration, though.

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    WereBear says:

    @jl: I miss the chariot racing. But this is better for the horses.

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    jl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    ” He is not remotely dislikable. ”

    Joe Scarborough?

    I disagree. He has always struck me as a preening arrogant, bullying, abusive, chauvinistic bigoted oaf. Any easygoing likability is a veneer about as thin as a splatter of cheap varnish, which goes away the moment he is seriously challenged.

    Joe Scarborough, likable? The show is unwatchable, at least for me.

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    me says:

    @NonyNony: He burnt the Stars and Bars something I can fully get behind.

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    piratedan says:

    warning GOS linkage

    http://www.dailykos.com/blog/B.....%20Kossaks

    nice to know that the recall process (in the eyes of who’s doing the recall ‘natch) is a process to subvert the Constitution…..

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    Ruckus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    I was thinking he probably would not have made it out of boot camp without having had an attitude adjustment or two, from 10 or 20 of his newest best friends. We had one of those with the loudmouth obnoxious asshole we had in our company. He straightened right up when he found out that he was intently disliked by the majority (79 out of 80).

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    handsmile says:

    Re Joe Scarborough

    For any given day, for any remark he makes, one must always, always remember this immortal retort by Zbigniew Brzezinski in December 2008 (the subject that day was the Gaza conflict):

    “You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on, that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mk18af8z9Y

    There is no opinion or claim that this blowhard, right-wing former Congressman can utter for which this is not the correct and comprehensive reply.

    Of course, his employer remains the “liberal” MSNBC which permits him to spew his ignorance for 15 hours each week.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    It’s why the zombies pass him by when looking for brains every time.

    My understanding was they hadn’t actually passed by, they just hadn’t found anything to eat.

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    minutemaid says:

    @El Caganer: I’m saying that political bloggers fall for this shit as easily as a cat falls for chasing a laser pointer.

    In other words they are less useful than a crack whore. At least a crack whore won’t help the cops by reporting on their customers and getting them arrested.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Poopyman: Good point!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @handsmile:

    I thank Joe Scarborough daily for giving me the strength to grab the remote, turn off the TV and start my day earlier than anticipated.

    (I fall asleep with MSNBC on overnight, if not PBS … something as white noise.)

    My viewing of Morning Joe rarely survives more than a minute or two of hearing Joe himself.

    This morning, he helpfully touched on how Obama needs to work more with Republicans, because they can shut him down.

    Click.

    AND HANDSMILE: WE MISSED YOU LAST NIGHT. You have a fan club, believe it or not.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Jennifer:

    Thank you. this

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    JWL says:

    Whenever his name is mentioned, it should be a rule that Nugent always be referred to as “the former (and admittedly) shit-encrusted draft dodger”.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @JWL: How about the admitted pedophile? Or the admitted wildlife poacher?

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    Emma says:

    @dmsilev: OOOOOOH. Candy!

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    JCT says:

    @Gin & Tonic: It’s actually hilarious, the poaching is the ONLY thing that his wingnut buddies ever criticize him over.

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    For the animal lovers here:

    Owen Sherman, who turned 7 years old Monday, asked friends and family to not give him gifts for his birthday. Instead, he asked them to donate the money they would have spent on him to the animal shelter that provided him with his dog Eli.

    Owen, a first-grader at SeDoMoCha Elementary School in Dover-Foxcroft, has bilateral fibular hemimelia — a congenital absence of the fibula bones in both legs. His legs were amputated below the knees when he was 8 months old. He now wears prosthetic legs, which he was walking on as early as 13 months old, according to his mother Barbara Estabrook Sherman.

    After the family dog, Sparky, died last year, Owen and his father, Shane Sherman, went looking for a new dog.

    “My husband and he went behind my back and searched over the Internet and found Eli,” said Sherman. “[Owen] fell in love with Eli sight unseen.”

    Sherman said Eli, a boxer-lab mix, had to have one of its hind legs amputated.

    “We believe he had been abused and somehow an infection set in,” she said. “He was given up and he had to have that leg amputated.”

    Underhound Railroad Rescue, which provides foster homes for dogs through a series of volunteers until a permanent home is found, transported Eli from Georgia to Maine. The organization paid for Eli’s medical care and amputation. Volunteers coordinate through the organization’s Facebook page, said Sherman.

    I love stories like this. There’s an adorable picture at the link, too.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @the Conster:

    Only enough if it was the last time evah.

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    Poopyman says:

    @JWL: Since he was quoted saying he would either be dead or in jail if Obama was re-elected, shouldn’t somebody ask him why he hasn’t gotten around to it? (Prefereably the first.)

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    geg6 says:

    @J.D. Rhoades:

    I did. And I still thought Damn Yankess sucked donkey balls. But then, one of my favorite bands from those days (and still is) turned into a bunch of wingnuts, too. Sadly, most of them are dead, so it’s not a problem for me any more.

    http://youtu.be/4jhFRgPI72c

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    I understand that Nugent has trouble wiping himself before he enters federal buildings.

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    MC Simon Milligan says:

    Jesus flippin Christ dude, you’re doing it wrong; Wearing a trucker hat is ironic but ultimately harmless. Going to a Damn Yankees concert is just plain masochistic! Ted Nugent’s “music” has been scientifically shown to neuter frogs at 40 paces.

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    Watership says:

    I work in television, reality and documentary mostly. I was on show in the early two thousandsies called “Surviving Nugent.” He was a winger then too, but much more of an average “I know better than you” type, not the fire breather of today.

    Anyway, he was using a chainsaw for a scene, trying to look tough, and he hacked his leg by accident. This is not a guy I want walking around with loaded weapons.

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    mdblanche says:

    @Poopyman: He specified he would be dead or in jail within a year some time last March(?). So I think he still has a few more weeks before his deadline.

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    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us? (formerly MarkJ) says:

    Can’t figure out why Republicans think associating with and being insufferable assholes is the way to win national arguments, but hey, if they want to keep doing it we can keep pointing and laughing. And they’ll keep losing.

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    MaryRC says:

    @WereBear: On some of the Catholic blogs, they’re saying that JPII’s frailty during his final years was behind Benedict’s decision to retire before he became incapacitated himself. Supposedly lots of things that should have been looked after during the last years of the JPiI regime weren’t.

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    Jennifer says:

    @ranchandsyrup: Mods, this comment contains a link to a malicious site. Everyone else, don’t click it.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    @Todd: Maybe it just means he’s 85 years old and tired. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    That’s what she said.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @jl:

    Who wants to hear Richards droning on about the lessons of the Dickensian workhouse state for social welfare policy today?

    I see what you did there.

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    handsmile says:

    @Elizabelle:

    [compulsively returning as I do….]

    Congratulations on your discovering a positive benefit to watching the Scarborough frat party! Spluttering indignation has its value, of course, but can be debilitating.

    (and, um…you know how to make a fella blush….how very kind of you, as much as it strains credibility. I hope all who gathered last night had a marvelous time, meeting one another and talking together. With the changes of location, I had feared the occasion might not come off.)

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    Jebediah says:

    @tim f’s third grade teacher:
    For your upcoming twelfth birthday, you get a copy of Strunk and White.

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