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Currently watching Gandhi, which I bet I haven’t seen since I watched on the family 19″ color tv (top of the line for the day) on a laserdisc. We had very few laserdiscs, but I remember the Greatest Show on Earth, Fiddler on the Roof, Gandhi, Jaws, and… Airplane.

I’ve been watching a lot of older movies, and loving it. Watched Kramer v. Kramer a couple weeks back and realized how many good movies are out there. And that’s just in my lifetime.

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  1. 1
    Cain says:

    Gandhi was a pretty emotional movie for me. Strangely it was more emotional when I got older than when I first watched it in my teens. Back then it was my parents who broke down crying watching it. My aunt actually met Gandhi when she was a little girl.

    The emotional part sort of ties into the struggle, but also the promise of what a young nation could do. It’s kind of sad how much the nation is struggling with it’s social issues of poverty and caste. Mistakes were made.

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    Nemo_N says:

    Not sure why but Gandhi is the only biopic I’m not only able to stand but actually like. Ben Kingsley is godly.

    The problem with good old movies is that you sometimes forget that they exist.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    I watched that again recently on Netflix. Awesome movie. Pisses me off.

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    Pooh says:

    Speaking of Netflix, house of cards is for real. I hope Corey Stoll works more after his performance.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Since this is an OT, perhaps Mr. Ranchandsyrup will come around and share the experience of dealing with 30 or so models, each likely tall, leggy, etc…

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    geg6 says:

    Well, I just watched Alex Gibney’s Mea Maxima Culpa on HBO and it is as good and damning as advertised. Why any Catholic still darkens the doors of a parish church, let alone puts cash in the collection basket, is beyond me. It is beyond appalling but those deaf men if Milwaukee are serious heroes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @The Dangerman: Quoi? Where was this? When? Why was I not informed? Dammit, I left my number here for just that purpose. Bastards.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why was I not informed?

    Exactly (this comes from a couple threads ago, “Smile”, I think).

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @The Dangerman: i think Penthouse letters is at another URL.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    I made the mistake of taking a two hour nap earlier today. I am not sure if I will be able to get to sleep tonight.

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    cmorenc says:

    A couple of weeks ago, just after boarding a flight in Denver bound for Salt Lake City and taking my seat near the front, the flight’s captain came out of the cockpit to speak to the stewardesses. He was an absolute dead ringer for Leslie Nielson! The lady in the seat next to me immediately had the exact same thought, and could tell from the bemused look on my face that we were thinking the same thing, and we both giggled. She said to me: “now if O.J. or Kareem Abdul-jabber walk aboard wearing flight crew outfits, it’s just going to be too weird.” We both laughed.

    I know, I know, Leslie Nielson wasn’t actually in the cast of “Airplane”, but the going got weirder and funnier after that. Our stewardesses were a hilarious riot doing the passenger briefing and safety instructions, rather than the usual dull, dry reading off the script. For example, the standard “in the unlikely event of a water landing” was instead phrased: “in the event this flight unexpectedly turns into a cruise…”…and, “see that button up there in the ceiling above your seat? If you press it, we’ll ignore you.” (said with a puckish grin).

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    Soonergrunt says:

    Three Days Of The Condor
    Robert Redford, Faye Dunaway, John Houseman, Cliff Robertson, Max von Sydow, and directed by Sidney Pollack

    One of the best.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Models might alleviate that condition. Or not.

    Speaking of models, this is a cool story. The model is male, however, so don’t get too excited.

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    Jamey says:

    “Laserdisc.” For some reason, that word makes me laugh.

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    ChrisNYC says:

    Speaking of Gandhi, amazing photo of little boys dressed like him in India:;index=16

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s Duke University!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: I might not mind being awake. Also the blond in the white bikini made that worth clicking through. Next time though, look for something with brunettes; I am still a little gun shy with blonds.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    I’ve never seen Gandhi, but I guess I’m due.

    If you just want to absorb something deeply beautiful that is sung in a language you probably don’t understand, there’s Satyagraha. You can try out the opening act here, and you should be able to find the rest of it on YT, too. This is the song that made actually me cry when I heard it unexpectedly a few months ago. (Douglas Motherfucking Perry for the motherfucking win.) I made sure to buy the full CD set after that.

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    merrinc says:


    Absolutely! I saw Three Days of the Condor as a teen and it had me on the edge of my seat.

    Speaking of old movies, today I got the urge to see Ode to Billy Joe again. Dunno why. Weird?

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    Mark S. says:

    Speaking of 80’s Oscar winners, I watched The Last Emperor a few weeks ago on Netflix. That’s really a great movie. But how is that cricket still alive at the end of the movie?

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Soonergrunt: Oh, yes. Missed it the first time around, saw it a few months ago and loved it. Apart from its other excellent qualities, it was such a relief to see a movie that wasn’t teal and orange. I miss the seventies palette.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Soonergrunt: The book is better


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    Mike in NC says:

    @cmorenc: Leslie Nielson was in “Airplane”. Probably his first comedy role.

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    Alison says:

    @cmorenc: Wasn’t in the cast…?

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    Comrade Mary says:

    (Oops — what I linked from Satyagraha was severely truncated, even though it was a neat thing to watch. The whole first act is here, although with no visuals at all beyong a shimmering piece of sheet music.)

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    Leslie Nielsen in Airplane. “Don’t call me Shirley”

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    gex says:

    Made a move on an apartment today. In some ways it feels really impulsive, but in other ways not. The two of us had been thinking of selling the house and moving to an apartment in the city and this one seemed appealing from the get go. I just had to make the decision under completely different circumstances.

    It’s a March 1 move in date, but given that the unit is vacant, hopefully I can move in sooner. I do not like staying in the house. The first night home I couldn’t sleep at all. The second night I only slept three hours. It is too hard to be here.

    Been back and forth between sorrow about losing her and pain about the unresolved relationship stuff. The relationship stuff is so much more prevalent this week and so much harder to endure.

    The weird part is that Kate’s therapist has contacted me, twice, about wanting to get together and talk. That’s not normal, right? That’s definitely not normal. I’ll need to discuss that with my therapist before I even try to decide whether or not to take her up on that. Part of me feels like it would be nice to be able to find some peace on some of those relationship issues. Part of me fears the discussion will make them hurt more. Although deep down, I suspect the idea of not knowing what would come of that session will drive me to accept the offer.

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    Mark S. says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Hardly surprising. When I think of Duke, I think of Coach K and burnsie, history’s two greatest monsters.

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    patrick II says:

    I watched “Bullit” (1968) the other night. Greatest cop film ever made. Maverick cop Steve McQueen has Jacqueline Bisset for a girlfriend, goes to San Francisco jazz clubs at night, chases criminals through the streets of San Fran at 120 miles an hour jumping hills in the greatest chase seen ever filmed. And all the while McQueen is as cool as ice.
    The first time I saw it in a theater 45 years ago, people were actually holding on to their thater seats and swaying and ducking with the cars’ movements on the shots through the car windows. McQueen himself did a fair bit of the stunt driving for the film.
    Anyhow, it brings back memories.

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    Alison says:

    @gex: Had you met with Kate’s therapist before? If so, I’d say maybe not so weird. If not…yeah, maybe a bit weird, but hopefully well-intentioned.

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    gex says:

    @Alison: I’d only met her in passing in the last few months when I was driving Kate to therapy and helping her get from the car to the office.

    I am certain it is well intentioned. But the road to Hell and all that…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gex: Keep on keeping on. It is not the same thing, but when my marriage broke up and my now ex moved away, I found a new place to live. Some people find the memories in a house to be comforting, others find them painful. If you find them painful, make the move.

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    Alison says:

    @gex: Indeed, and she may not even realize how it might come across…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @patrick II: I watched it the other night as well. Love the whole style of the thing.

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    Maude says:

    Trust your gut about the therapist. I wouldn’t meet with her.
    You are trying to make changes to heal and I don’t see how it would be helpful to you to meet with her.
    Good decision to move. You will sleep in your new home.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @gex: the move sounds like the right thing to do. It sounds more like you are being decisive rather than impulsive.

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    gex says:

    @Maude: I feel like the suburbs are so isolating. Nice enough place to settle to once you’ve sort of built a life. Not a great place to build a life from.

    Plus the new place is right by the river, so there will be plenty of green space for pup walks. And an on-site dog park. Walking distance to downtown Minneapolis and to Dinkytown.

    I’m just imagining the first few days, weeks, months there. How strange it will feel. I’ve definitely been feeling a lot of “closing a chapter” pain today.

    The routine of gearing up for the dog walk floored me with the ordinariness of it all. To suddenly be doing what I would have been doing weeks ago, when I’d leave before she awoke and having her awake when I returned.

    And I felt a pang when I let Casey run around off lead in the park. That was part of our morning routine. We always had the park to ourselves. This morning I felt that chapter closing and thought to myself, “We had a really good life here.” That was hard.

    I don’t want to say goodbye to that life. Or to the future we had planned.

    Well, that spiraled someplace I didn’t intend. But I’m leaving it.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Everybody says that about everything.
    The book, Six Days of The Condor is exceptional, and yes, better than the movie. But John was talking about movies, so that’s what I went with.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @gex: “I do not like staying in the house. The first night home I couldn’t sleep at all. The second night I only slept three hours. It is too hard to be here.”
    When my mom died, my dad had a hell of a time trying to live in that house. He couldn’t do it, and ended up selling the house right about the time the economy crashed in 2007, right before the election. He didn’t get full value for it, but he did get his equity and then some, so he did OK. But he couldn’t stay there and wait and hope that someday the value would come back. He took the first reasonable offer, and my brother in law and I helped him move.

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    freelancer says:


    I just started it. I’m 20 minutes in. Burn the whole thing to the ground.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Soonergrunt: To Have and Have Not is a better movie than book. For one thing, Lauren Bacall.

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    How strange, I have been forced into the “Mobile Theme” on the ipad here, and it will not let me out of it. Has anyone else had this problem?

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    jefft452 says:

    “I’ve been watching a lot of older movies, and loving it”

    Try anything with Barbara Stanwyck in it
    you wont regret it

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: My iPhone often switches randomly between the mobile site (which I want) and the regular site.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    I had a professor in college who believed that Jaws was the most perfectly edited movie ever, with the exception of one shot. He also loved to demonstrate the effect of music in changing context of scenes by showing the little boys getting eaten to the music of the Beach Boys. Little did he know that his example would actually become a cliche in ironic creepiness in horror Nd many indie films.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve never heard of it. I’ll add it to the queue if it’s available.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The Ten Commandments is better than the book.

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    freelancer says:


    Did he mention which shot he objected to? I’ve seen Jaws like a hundred times, and I’m curious to the one editorial flaw that seemed to stick out to him.

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    General Stuck says:


    Haven’t read the book, but the movie remains at the top of my list for espionage thrillers. I rewatch it every couple of years.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    Bachelor Mother and Kitty Foyle are some great Ginger Rogers movies. They’re coming up on TCM in a week or two. This month of Oscar is putting my PVR into overdrive.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Soonergrunt: Omg! It is Bacall’s first starring role. Script by Hawks, Hemingway, and Faulkner based loosely on Hemingway’s novel. It has the “You do know how to whistle, don’t you?” line. Why are you here now? Go watch it immediately. Go now!

    /running around with hair on fire waving arms wildly over head

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    @The Dangerman: Ok, looks like I over shared. I can see how you took that as boastful. Fair enough.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ranchandsyrup: I am not sure that you shared enough. I am pretty sure that, as a married man, you did not need 30 models for yourself. What kind of socialist are you?

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @freelancer: I haven’t watched Jaws in a few years, but it was a shot of a knife while they’re on the boat. He explained that the way the shot was framed suggested that the knife would be used later on and be important to the climax of the movie, but the knife is never seen again. He explained it better than I ever could, but I can’t help think of that lecture when I watch the movie.

    It was for a media criticism course. I wonder if that prof is still alive or still at Wazzu.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @YellowJournalism: The knife was a red herring?

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I like the mobile theme on my Android phone, but on the iPad it’s kind of annoying.

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    JS says:

    Currently watching Gandhi, which I bet I haven’t seen since I watched on the family 19″ color tv (top of the line for the day) on a laserdisc. We had very few laserdiscs, but I remember the Greatest Show on Earth, Fiddler on the Roof, Gandhi, Jaws, and… Airplane.

    You haven’t watched these films since Laserdisc days?

    Surely you can’t be serious.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Heh. They work for my wife. Happens a few times a year. I mostly succeeded in not being creepy and occupying kid/dogs. Heard the same old speil about triple distilled Jameson in seasoned oak casks.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: There was a big discussion about that during the class. Some argued that it was umbilical and others said red herring. He insisted it was a mistake in an otherwise pristine job of film editing. He actually called it pristine. (I can’t remember his full argument for it not being a red herring.)

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    handsmile says:

    Some other nominations for movies that are better than the novel/story from which it’s adapated:

    The Shawshank Redemption (Stephen King, Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption)
    The Shining (Stephen King)
    Bladerunner (Philip K. Dick, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?)
    Jaws (Peter Benchley)

    and my first choice:

    The Wizard of Oz (L. Frank Baum)

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    freelancer says:


    I can see that, a kind of “Chekov’s gun” problem with the knife shot, but for me, there’s a few missed edits and issues. Number one being production design with the Mayor’s wardrobe. Dude’s a New England Mayor in the 1970s, but his suit shouldn’t look like it was tailored with remnant materials of little boys’ pillows. Oh, and Harry’s Bad Hat, which gave rise to Bryan Singer’s production company.

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    PeakVT says:

    @SatanicPanic: I LOLed, for reasons I can’t immediately identify.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @YellowJournalism: He sounds picky.

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    freelancer says:


    Also, the series Dexter, vs the books they were adapted from.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    The Wizard of Oz (L. Frank Baum)

    The fucking Munchkins creep me out. I like the flying monkeys and the green-faced guards though.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Heh. Six Days of the Condor. Typical Hollywooden shrinkage.

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    Ripley says:

    And that’s just in my lifetime.

    Cole, I think you meant “and that’s just on Lifetime.”

    You used to write really good pieces, epic rants. Now your stuff is like the bloggy equivalent of listening to my grandma prattle on about her increasingly small world.

    I’ll wait, but hurry up. Get mad.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @freelancer: From what I understand, the books can be a little ridiculous halfway through the series. I’m on a Dexter Netflix binge right now. Halfway through season six.

    @Omnes Omnibus: He was, but he was a fun prof who wasn’t above having deep discussions about Maude and Roseanne.

    Hmmm…movies better than the books? Gotta think about that one.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Comrade Mary:

    re: Satyagraha – cracked up at the YouTube comment “Those are some big blue balls”.

    I know, I am 12 yrs old.

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    handsmile says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Long decades ago during the first week of my freshman year of college, a group of us, likely narcotized, talked about what scene from the Wizard of Oz most creeped us out. As I remember it, from a group of about ten, each person chose a different scene. For me, it was (and remains) those monkeys flying from the castle and attacking the Scarecrow.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @patrick II: That car also loses seven hubcaps in the course of that chase, IIRC. Friend of mine in high school had basically the same car, just tricked out to be faster. What a ride.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @handsmile: I haven’t seen or read Wicked yet, but maybe I just identify with the witch’s side.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I dated a girl in high school who had a ’65 Mustang convertible with the 289. Not the same as Bullitt’s car but still cool in the early 80s. The relationship didn’t end well, but it wasn’t the car’s fault. I blame the SATs.

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    dance around in your bones says:


    After my husband died, I moved out of our house in Baja within a week. I just couldn’t stay there alone, where he died, just had to get away.

    So, I feel for you. Plus I was pissed off at him for dying and leaving me alone there. Have only said this to anyone in grief counseling. Also, I have issues too with things left unsaid and unresolved in a 40+ year relationship. Gah.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: This was a 68, with a 427 with the aluminum heads. Fastest car I’ve ever been in.

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    handsmile says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Well, you are a lawyer, right? Predisposition to evil (“my beautiful wickedness”) and all that.

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    Suzanne says:

    @dance around in your bones: For a project my office is working on, we coordinated a 3D scan on a client’s building. The scanners are inside these special ultramarine spheres. So OF COURSE my boss decided to talk about “all the blue balls” in front of our clients. I managed to hold back my laughter until I got outside.

    @gex: When I kicked my ex out, I left our house, called a realtor that day, and sold it that week. With all my dirty dishes in the sink, underwear on the floor, etc. When you know, you know. Take care of you. Hugs.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @handsmile: I just like flying monkeys.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I blame the SATs.

    She outscore you?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Suzanne: Nah, I don’t think so. She asked me my score, so I told her and her response was X had a higher score than you. She was valedictorian of our class and very competitive. I was much more laid back, but good at standardized tests.

    I find it interesting that your first impulse was to put this on me.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    Last night is, regrettably, an increasingly coherent blur; a restaurant that went on for miles and miles like some wood-panelled meat Narnia, great glasses of beer brought to us to wash down salty pretzels and wooden platters of sliced sausage,

    I have been to this place in Munich.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Too much cured pork for you?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ranchandsyrup: I like cured pork. But, “meat Narnia?” That is genius.

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    MikeJ says:


    Heh. Six Days of the Condor. Typical Hollywooden shrinkage.

    A Letter to Five Wives shrank to three in the movie.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I went to Munich and spent four days in a bed in a hostel miserably sick. It was the only time I got a bug when I was there, but I did get to see a great synagogue that was modernised.

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    fleeting expletive says:

    This is my thought. Scalia equals honey badger in that he does not give any fucks.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: I have a number of stories about Munich. OTOH, I have been informed that this is a family blog.

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    Gex says:

    @dance around in your bones: did the unresolved stuff get easier to deal with over time?

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @ranchandsyrup: I am enjoying reading this very much.


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    NotMax says:


    Try anything with Barbara Stanwyck in it
    you wont regret it

    Might want to skip on by A Message To Garcia.

    Casting her as a Cuban freedom fighter misses the mark on every level.

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    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I have been informed that this is a family blog.

    Who told you that?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: I was misinformed. I realize that.

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    dance around in your bones says:


    I think it will always remain unresolved – it’s only been a little over a year, and there are so many things I wish we had said. It all happened so suddenly (two weeks from diagnosis to death) but then again we had been together for over 40 years, so I guess there are just some things you don’t want to say/deal with?

    We had a pretty good relationship overall, with lots of laughter and good times. There were times of great stress and pain as well, which I suppose is par for the course.

    I think it’s always hard being the one left behind. I’m the one left to deal with the emptiness, while he is just gone.

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    NotMax says:

    Omnes Omnibus

    OTOH, I have been informed that this is a family blog.

    Ma Barker had a tight-knit family, too.

    Family-friendly can certainly be elastic. :)

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    Kordo says:

    Lawrence of Arabia – Anthony Quinn as Auda Abu-Tai

    Best line from the best scene- “Thy mother mated with a scorpion”

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    dance around in your bones says:


    To answer your question more fully, yes….it does get easier over time. You become resigned to the way it is now instead of then. As they say in Mexico no hay opción – there is no option.

    I wish you all the best and the strength to get through this tough time. I know you will do it.

    Hell, get mad and hit pillows and cuss if you need to. I have.

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    Kordo says:


    Yah, PKD was a fountain of ideas, but prose and plotting were not among his gifts…

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    Ellyn says:

    I went to the Noir City 11 Festival twice in the last 8 days. I saw a brand new 4K digital restoration of Sunset Boulevard and it was fabulous. It’s remarkable that Norma Desmond, an aging silent film star, agreed to play an aging silent film star. What a movie! The second movie was a good but not great film noir version of It’s a Wonderful Life . A beautiful actress (Joan Leslie) shoots her husband, throws a mink coat on over her nightgown, and runs out into the streets of NYC on New Year’s Eve. She goes into a bar where her friends hang out, tells her friend (who has just escaped from Belleview) what happened and then wishes she could live the next year over again so she could do it differently.
    Then I saw a double feature. The first film
    Native Son, was based on the Richard Wright novel. A film version was impossible to produce in the US so a Frenchman and an Argentinian produced it in South America. They couldn’t find an actor to play Bigger so Richard Wright, himself, agreed to play the part. It wasn’t a very good movie. The acting sucked. But it was interesting historically. And the second movie was a gem. Intruder in the Dust is based on a William Faulkner novel which was written “as an atonement for the mistreatment of blacks in his native South”. The 1948 film is a forerunner of To Kill a Mockingbird. Claude Jarman played the young hero of the piece and spoke at the Noir festival. He said the movie was made in Oxford, MI , and a lot of the townspeople were in the film. He said he recently returned from a reunion in MI with all the people who were involved in making the movie who are still alive.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Would you be comfortable having your therapist contact Kate’s therapist and find out what she wants to talk to you about? I seriously doubt it’s anything along the lines of, “She secretly hated you and was desperately trying to figure out how to break up with you,” but you never know what some therapists think you “need” to hear. Being human, she may just want some closure for herself and not really want to talk about what she and Kate talked about.

    The new apartment sounds great, and if it’s a crazy thing to do, it’s a really, really common crazy thing to do that usually ends up working out, so I wouldn’t stress about it too much. You could always rent out the house in the ‘burbs rather than sell it if you’re worried about losing money or other financial considerations.

    ETA: Since I have a 2-hour car ride with my mother-in-law tomorrow, I’ll see if I can find out if G’s dad’s therapist called her after he died. We’ve been talking a lot about the grieving process, so it won’t be as weird as it sounds.

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    Ellyn says:

    @merrinc: I loved Three Days of the Condor so much that I recently got it from Netflix. That was a good movie.

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    freelancer says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    Can I just say that that this is the reason that I love this place? I make no bones about it, we may fight and bitch and mock and give our two minutes hate aimed at the hateful on this blog, but the humanism, and compassion that exists in this little corner of the web, when all else fails, Juicers are here. Self-organized, self-selected, and ready to pounce and/or empathize with anyone who shows up to share their story, you are here. I fucking love this it.

    And Gex, I don’t know if I ever had the chance to say this to you directly, but in your efforts to help Kate, I found the website you used, and I started a fundraiser to help my cousin. He was admitted to the hospital for a burst appendix, he became septic after surgery, and developed pneumonia and was in the ICU for a few days after. During his recovery, a family friend that he knew for years, but had recently developed a close relationship with was killed by her ex-husband senselessly. The last few weeks have been indisputably the worst time in his life, but thanks to you, I had started a fundraiser with giveforward that will help him with his medical bills and so far, family and friends have been very generous.

    I wanted to take a moment, gex, and thank you for making me aware of this organization. Through no action but your own, you helped relieve a major financial burden.

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    I also love that movie and that performance, but I disagree on the best line from the best scene. It’s Auda

    I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies’ tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure, yet I am poor! Because I am a river to my people!

    And the crowd goes wild!

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    dance around in your bones says:


    Oh, I concur! That’s why I love this blog, too – it’s the community, the commentariat that keeps me hanging around. It’s hard to explain to some people (and I know that a certain troll likes to mock the humanity that is so often expressed here as being somehow false) but I see so much kindness and thoughtfulness in comments and replies….mixed in with often hilarious snark….and pet rescues and fundraising for good causes and sometimes desperate people – it’s just a very special niche in the blogosphere.

    I wish John Cole would post a bit more lately, though. He needs to get a good rage on and then tell us all to go to hell whilst drinking cocktails out of a hotel coffee pot :)

    ETA: Just realized how stupid it was to wish JC would post more on a JC post, derp.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Legendary movie makeup artist Stuart Freeborn has passed away at 98, Associated Press reports. He turned Peter Sellers into all those different characters for Dr Strangelove, did the apemen for 2001: A Space Odyssey and all the nonhumans for Star Wars Episodes IV through VI.

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    Alison says:

    No one’s around and I’m bored, so here’s another iTunes shuffle roundup:

    1. Field Below – Regina Spektor
    2. Spellbound – Siouxsie and the Banshees
    3. Little Bird – Imogen Heap
    4. Words of Love – Patti Smith (from Buddy Holly tribute album)
    5. Still Ill – The Smiths
    6. Hurt – Nine Inch Nails
    7. qplay – Autechre
    8. Punta Del Este – Blake Jarrell
    9. The Look of Love – ABC
    10. Lovely 2 C U – Goldfrapp
    11. By My Side – Ben Harper
    12. Salut Jacques – La Floa Maldita

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    magurakurin says:


    I love that movie. Such beautiful cinematography. Freeze the movie at any moment and it’s like a perfect still photo. Also too, “Dr. Zhivago.” It’s cinematic poetry. They don’t make them like that anymore.

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    MikeJ says:

    I Won’t Be The Same Without Her – The Monkees
    I Keep Singing – Them
    No Girl So Sweet – PJ Harvey
    Thick as Thieves – The Jam
    Take Your Carriage Clock And Shove It – Belle & Sebastian
    Come To California – Matthew Sweet
    EMI – Sex Pistols
    Back To Back (Demo) – Wolf Gang
    Where Nowhere Is – Hoodoo Gurus
    It Makes A Fellow Proud To Be A Soldier – Tom Lehrer

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    jayackroyd says:

    Kramer vs Kramer is an old movie? ZOMG am I old!

    I don’t think I’ve seen it. (Not really sure. It’s in the Zeigeist.) But an old movie is black and white. And features Humphrey Bogart or Bette Davis. Or Dietrich.

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    Phylllis says:

    @Gex: I’m seven years out, as of January 29th, and for me it has. The thing is, you don’t ‘get over it’, you get through it. And hopefully on the other side of getting through it is a softening of those sharp edges that slice you so unexpectedly in the first 2-3 years after their loss.

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    Ash Can says:


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    jayackroyd says:

    @handsmile: I never say better. (and I disagree about Bladerunner–Dick’s environmental theme is lost) but as good:

    Clockwork Orange
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest

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    General Stuck says:


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    General Stuck says:

    WP been into the bad acid again?

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    Kathleen says:

    @cmorenc: I’m way too late on this thread and someone already may have replied but Leslie Nielson was in Airplane. “Don’t call me Shirley”.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    I have seen Gandhi many times. It is good movie but not a great one. It does not portray Gandhi as person, who was a great leader but a flawed human being. It is too hagiographic. Ben Kingsley did a great job as Gandhi though he looked a a bit too well fed for the role. I had more of a problem with other the actors portraying the other important leaders in the Indian Freedom struggle. Who were the Indian founding fathers if you will. Saeed Jaffrey looks nothing like Patel and Roshan Seth was too wishy washy for Nehru. Padamsee as Jinnah was perfect.
    The movie was narrated through the point of view of peripheral characters in Gandhi’s life, Martin Sheen, Candice Bergen etc were sprinkled throughout the movie mainly to appeal to western audiences, I think. Also it had a lot of history crammed into an overly long movie.

    Perhaps should have focused on one event like the movie on Lincoln, say the Dandi salt march. My mother’s aunt, my maternal grandmother’s sister was a Gandhian activist. She was born to wealthy parents but
    wore homespun khadi sarees all her life, and no jewelry, was arrested several times. She did a free life-time railway pass as a freedom fighter and some nominal pension after India won its independence. That was Gandhi’s true genius, to make the freedom struggle inclusive, including women and lower caste people. Although calling the untouchables, Harijan was more than a bit paternalistic and a label that was immediately rejected by Ambedkar and other lower caste leaders.

    Manibhavan is going to be a stop on my upcoming trip to India.

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    handsmile says:


    Can’t help it: my training and practice has required me to render those kinds of distinctions (no claim, well not much, to their critical value/accuracy.)

    If you’re suggesting that these three films are “as good” as their source material, no disagreement from me. Among the most successful adaptations (though I might argue that Forman took no minor creative liberty in sacrificing Kesey’s style to tighten the plot.)

    As for Bladerunner, yes, important elements were jettisoned from Dick’s novel (similar to Baum in that regard), but I agree with Kordo’s observation above (#99), that his inspiration to numerous artists lies more in his vision that his often cumbersome prose.

    And yeah, it was a little dispiriting for me as well to read on this thread what’s considered to be an “old” movie.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    Regarding old movies, I am on a Hitchcock kick, off late. So far I have seen
    1. North by Northwest
    2. The Rear Window
    3. Dial M for Murder.

    ETA: My rather long comment has some typos, but WP won’t let me edit it. Stupid WP.

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    Gex says:

    @freelancer: I am so very glad to hear this. I was so lucky to have so many step in to help me, IRL and here. I have to admit that the one good part of all this is finding ways to help others. For instance,I have an extra car now and have poor friends who are new parents who need reliable, safe transpo. So they get the car. Stuff like that.

    I’m glad that by just sharing with Juicers, I was able to help. It seems like open, honest, and kind sharing of our lives usually results in good things.

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    Deb T says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    My favorite Hitchcock: Shadow of a Doubt , made me into a Joseph Cotten fan.

    Runners up: Rear Window, Strangers on a Train

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Deb T: I haven’t seen Shadow of Doubt. I will make a note.

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    Ellyn says:

    @Deb T:
    Great movie. Joseph Cotten is one of my faves. And I love seeing Santa Rosa way back when.

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    zonker says:

    A Bronx Tale is absolutely one of my favorite movies from the early nineties, simply a great story. Always thought the car chase scene in To Live and Die in LA was one of the best ever put on film. Love the scene in Lawrence of Arabia when they are approaching the Port of Aquba.

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    Izzy says:

    Anyone have trouble reloading the main page? This article is the last one I see.

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