Superbowl Second Half Open Thread

Have at it.






336 replies
  1. 1
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Hate the Ravens, but that was serious business from Jacoby Jones.

  2. 2
    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    Holy shit

  3. 3
    Baud says:

    That’s one way to reduce injuries on kickoff returns.

  4. 4
    Narcissus says:

    Did they just lose power?

  5. 5
    Baud says:

    Power outage!

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    efgoldman says:

    Power just went out in the Superdome. Its a commie plot! At least Simms’ mike is dead.

  7. 7
    chopper says:

    damn what a mess.

  8. 8
    Alison says:

    So there will probably be fire-setting riots tonight in SF, but these will be angry ones instead of happy ones like after the World Series. I’m not sure what the difference is, though. More fistfights? Less dancing around the fires?

  9. 9
    cathyx says:

    Are the puppies napping?

  10. 10
    The Dangerman says:

    Turn out the lights, the party’s over.

    ETA: Some poor technician just lost their job.

  11. 11
    PeakVT says:

    Do do do do, do do do…

    ETA: Worse Sup3r B0wl ever.

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    I blame Beyonce.

  13. 13
    Suzanne says:

    I’m watching about half an hour behind, so I’m watching halftime, but I have to say that that desk the commentators are sitting at it about the ugliest thing EVAR.

  14. 14
    Narcissus says:

    Wasn’t this a plot point in a episode of Home Improvement

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    MikeBoyScout says:

    I blame Obama.

  16. 16
    Corner Stone says:

    @MikeBoyScout: Fuck you!
    I blame Obama harder!

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    The Dangerman says:

    I think I just saw Goodell doing shots.

  18. 18
    Baud says:

    Someone call Jindal. We need an exorcism.

  19. 19
    scav says:

    whoops, so much for infrastructure.

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    efgoldman says:

    Well now they can get all the commercials in at once, before the rest of the non-Baltimore-fan audience changes the channel.

  21. 21
    drew42 says:

    So… read any good books, lately?

  22. 22
    Corner Stone says:

    @The Dangerman: Goodell’s chuckling softly in the basement.

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    Really? Power failure? Conspiracy to sell more beer and commercials? What happens now? I suppose there’s no rule like baseball when the score counts if you make it through the 5th inning?

  24. 24
    Corner Stone says:

    If I am BAL I’m already filing a protest. This is some bullshit.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Corner Stone

    Goodell’s chuckling softly in the basement.

    In a strait jacket….

  27. 27
    Baud says:

    Saints fans to Roger Goddell — now we’re even.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @TaMara (BHF):

    I blame Beyonce.

    She obviously flashed too much ‘cash and prizes’ and overloaded the system.

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    Citizen_X says:

    Beyonce fucked da place up.

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    Narcissus says:

    @drew42: I just started re-reading Lost Horizon, but it’s one of my favorites so I guess that doesn’t count.

  31. 31
    efgoldman says:

    @PaulW: Job? Starting?

  32. 32
    Suffern ACE says:

    Hah. Taxes done. Now I can start watching the game in earnest.

  33. 33
    Mike in NC says:

    Only watching Stupor Bowl until Downton Abbey comes on.

  34. 34
    MikeBoyScout says:

    Solyndra, Benghazi, and now Super Bowl. Idea, are you watching?

  35. 35
    patrick II says:

    Damn. This means “Elementary” will be starting late.

  36. 36
    efgoldman says:

    Don’t they teach the commentators not to say stuff like “this is a blowout” or “this one’s getting away from them?” It only encourages channel switching.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    @Alison: They just got a world series! Entitled pricks. Forty whiners indeed

  38. 38
    Corner Stone says:

    @efgoldman: Renfield.

  39. 39
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Not really sure I envision SF coming back.

    Does anyone think Alex Smith gets a look to save the game?

  40. 40
    Loneoak says:

    Obama must have shot out the lights. #skeeters

  41. 41
    PeakVT says:

    Power for Ravens locker room is on, but not for the Niners (according to the radio broadcast I’m listening to). Nice.

  42. 42

    Does this implicate Buffalo Wild Wings in stochostastic terrorism?

  43. 43
    Loneoak says:

    Who put Brownie in charge of the lights in NOLA again?!

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Can we talk about Dan Marino’s love child? I’d love the commentators to say “now that we’ve run out of things to say about a blackout, let’s talk about what happened to Dan this week.”

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    Punchy says:

    Someone’s so fired tomorrow. BTW, this EXACT thing just happed yesterday in the Man U soccer game. Odd that it happens 2 days ina row in such major events….

  46. 46
    Sayne says:

    Pfff, what an embarrassment.

    At 9:00 I’m tuning to Downton Abbey. Much more entertaining than this.

  47. 47
    EmanG says:

    Was that Boudreaus or Thibideaux on the switch?

  48. 48
    EmanG says:

    dammit! Boudreaux!

  49. 49
    Baud says:

    This is why they need to give spectators candles under seats.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    God this House of Cards, plays the cynicism card. Oh btw I have a friend who lives in Gaffney S.C, I need to ask him if that is true what they call the peachoid?

  51. 51
    BethanyAnne says:

    “If you liked it, you shoulda put a generator in it” @samknight1/Twitter

  52. 52
    drew42 says:

    Considering that I don’t like either team, this power outage kind of makes me smile. It proves that even God thinks this year’s Superbowl sucks.

    I am a small man. A small, petty man.

  53. 53
    hildebrand says:

    Five minutes to Downton Abbey – and if their lights went out, it wouldn’t stop the whole bloody mess.

  54. 54
    Pete Mack says:

    Worst. Superbowl. Ever.
    Fans are flicking lighters and singing Freebird for second half-time show.

  55. 55
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Suffern ACE: I just Googled that. NBC canned Tiki’s ass for doing an intern there. How is this not any worse?…

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    The Dangerman says:

    I wonder if Vegas had a prop bet on lights going out; some lucky betters just made a mint.

  57. 57
    hildebrand says:

    @Punchy: Bah – Fulham lost to Manchester Fucking United in that game. Blech.

  58. 58
    maya says:

    Chinese hackers are behind it. This, you know, means WAR!

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Wow, this is so lame-o for the Super-bo.

    I’m saving Downton Abbey for 9pm left coast time. Meanwhile the TV is on mute. It’s amazing that these TV commentators can still get so worked up and excited-sounding over a power outage, but dang if they don’t give it their all.

  60. 60
    Morbo says:

    Repeating my offer from the last thread for fired squirrel. Supplies limited.

  61. 61
    Cassidy says:

    Is it bad I was hoping for a supervillian?

  62. 62
    Baud says:

    @Cassidy:

    You mean, other than Ray Lewis.

  63. 63
    JPL says:

    After the run back, I changed the channel and now I just tuned in again and nothing happened… What did Cole do now?

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    kindness says:

    Shades of the Giants World Series game where it was suspended because of the earthquake. Ravens are kicking the Niners asses.

  65. 65
    Suffern ACE says:

    Damn lithium batteries never have the advertised power life.

  66. 66
    Schlemizel says:

    any good commercials yet?

  67. 67
    rda909 says:

    Worst. Network. Broadcast. EVAH! CBS should be banned from ever, ever broadcasting a major sporting event again. Forever. Jim Nantz is famous for golf announcing. WTF is he doing on a Super Bowl?!? Phil Sims is an absolute joke as an announcer. Horrible, horrible. Both of those guys are big Republican promoters too, so I guess it all makes sense…FAIL!

  68. 68
    catclub says:

    Since it is open: Why so little coverage of Israel bombing bits of Syria? It is like a conspiracy of silence. Did it even come up friday at the Hagel beating?

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    rda909 says:

    I’m half expecting Bane from Dark Knight to show up any second.

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    The most powerful country in the world can’t run a major sporting event without a major power outage. What a fucking embarrassment.

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    billgerat says:

    Actually, the blackout is more entertaining.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @hildebrand:

    Glory, glory!

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    catclub says:

    And I heard some crazy person ( at the barber shop, i look great, thankyou_) say that Israel had retaliated.

    Pre-emptive retaliation is apparently the best kind.
    Worked against the Liberty, too.

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    Heliopause says:

    What if Anonymous or China did this? What if Beyonce is a terrorist? What if some alien collective is warning us to give up our warlike ways? What if there is a quantum universe where Phil Simms isn’t an idiot?

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    catclub says:

    @Heliopause: “What if Beyonce is a terrorist?”

    What if she isn’t? Then she tortures _us_.

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    efgoldman says:

    @catclub:

    Did it even come up friday at the Hagel beating?

    Nobody in the Senate reads the papers.

  77. 77
    PaulW says:

    Game back on.

    I hope someone gets all the #SuperBowlBlackout tweets organized into a nice website. Some of them were classics.

  78. 78
    Punchy says:

    Game on. Lights alive, SF still dead

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    trollhattan says:

    @PsiFighter37:

    Would reqiure Harbaugh admitting there was a problem.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Good question.

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    gbear says:

    I heard that Obama released a PSA in New Orleans just before the power outage stating that people shouldn’t stick forks into electrical outlets.

  82. 82
    General Stuck says:

    I guess Massachusetts forgot to pay Louisiana’s electric bill this month.

  83. 83
    Cassidy says:

    @gbear: I wish he’d make one condemning the drinking of Drano.

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    scav says:

    Come to think of it, we had that outage here beforehand. A FYWP Bowl ! Cower before us, or, we is testing ground.

  86. 86
    Corner Stone says:

    The Scaempernick lives to run another day!

  87. 87
    Cassidy says:

    Someone needs Tim Tebow.

  88. 88
    efgoldman says:

    @Cassidy:

    Someone needs Tim Tebow.

    No-one needs Tim Tebow. Let him go be an anti-choice missionary somewhere.

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    Todd says:

    @Corner Stone:

    The Scaempernick lives to run another day!

    Scaempernicking for his life.

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    LanceThruster says:

    I can’t wait for the day old tix to go on sale. Gotta love a bargain.

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    efgoldman says:

    D’you suppose its possible that the Rayvens hold SanFran without a touchdown? Jeebus. I thought the Bears’ beat down of the Patriots in the mid-80s was embarrassing! Oops, never mind.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @efgoldman:

    Thats funny because I once called Sen. Klobuchar’s office to complain about her vote on an issue & the aid that answered the phone got the whole story wrong. I mentioned that there was a large story in both the DC Post and the Mpls StarTribune had the details.

    His response? “You don’t expect us to read all the papers do you?”

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    trollhattan says:

    Onside kickernick!

  94. 94
    LanceThruster says:

    Something about the end zone camera makes it look like CGI.

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    PaulW says:

    Niners get a TD. Making this a game now 28 – 13… but Ravens just gotta score on this drive to keep them in a comfortable lead.

    Gotta say that Ravens safety didn’t play harder to tackle Crabtree.

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    PaulW says:

    If the Kia fembot is gonna kick me, I ain’t shopping at Kia. Take me to Chrysler, please.

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    efgoldman says:

    Now that (Kia commercial) was funny!

    ETA: But the gangnam style pistachios can go suck salted you-know-whats.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @efgoldman:

    Half time at the Vikings Steelers SB was, if I remember correctly, 0-2 Vikings. Two great defenses there.

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    gian says:

    @efgoldman: if tebow can catch he might make an excellent tight end. Thing is he can’t get past his own ego long enough to admit it.
    Other thing is I can’t help but think that if he wasn’t a white evangelical poster boy that he would’ve been forced to face his inability to throw long ago

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    Badmoodman says:

    Not that I had any great insights, but all my posts seem to be gone. Wtf?

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    efgoldman says:

    Holy shit. Maybe it isn’t over.

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    Jeremy says:

    Hey guys louisiana is one of the poorest and corrupt states in the union. So I was not surprised when the power went out.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Ain’t over till it’s over.

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    trollhattan says:

    Reminding me of the Atlanta game.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Holy crap this game turned fast.

  106. 106
    Badmoodman says:

    Don’t go away….

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    trollhattan says:

    Look at that!

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    Todd says:

    Shit, it is back to being a game. Wow!

  109. 109
    PaulW says:

    Time for the conspiracy nuts to go, well, nuts. 14 unanswered points after the blackout, 49ers are back in it 28 – 20(? extra point yet)

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    Baud says:

    Baltimore fans: SOMEONE TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AGAIN QUICK!

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    efgoldman says:

    Damn but Raymen Lewiss looked old and slow on that play.

  112. 112
    Morbo says:

    Maybe it wasn’t fried squirrel after all; maybe Alex Smith threw himself over a transformer instead.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Newsflash: There’s a run on Pepto Bismol in Baltimore.

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    Cassidy says:

    I don’t care what kind of label you put on it, Becks is Becks.

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    PeakVT says:

    Ho-ly cow.

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    The Clydsdale add just showed real time, DH loved it.

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    Badmoodman says:

    Collars are getting VERY tight in Baltimore.

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    Aagghhhh!! Rice!! WTF!!!

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    OMG. SF has some friends up high. Unreal.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Go BP!

    No, seriously. Go.

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    salvage says:

    !

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    salvage says:

    Did the power outage do some sort of “Freaky Friday” thing here?

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    efgoldman says:

    Conspiracy wackos about the power outage in 10…9…8…

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:Yep , made my eyes leak a bit.

    Jeebus, this game may be turning around.

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    S. Holland says:

    Loved the Clydsdale ad! Weird, unbelievable game……power outage very strange…go niners!

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    trollhattan says:

    Yikes, Bmore gifts.

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    gian says:

    @Cassidy: sometimes I’ve heard becks is sold as st paulie girl

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @PaulW: Well I heard from a friend of a friend whose brother’s first cousin’s sister in law’s nephew is a Secret Service agent, says that President Obama has a platinum coin bet on the Niners, and had Seal Team Five Black Ops chaos team working in New Orleans.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Oh the humanity!

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    Badmoodman says:

    Oh wow, it keeps getting worse for Balt.

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    I finally looked up from what I was doing to see the game. My, my, the new flat screen I got for Christmas really shows off those packages. I might have to start liking football.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I blame Jindal.

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    Narcissus says:

    got to bag it up

  134. 134
    Baud says:

    Baltimore needs a drive here. Good stop by them.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Proof will be if Seal Team Five all die mysteriously.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @TaMara (BHF): And the butts? What about the butts?

    I love guys butts, especially in spandex. Well, jeans too. eta: I’m an xx, not that it matters.

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    Todd says:

    Close to a facemask by Boldin.

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    Badmoodman says:

    Hey, wasn’t that new Star Trek movie called “Into The Darkness”? Hmmm…..

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    Sure made the game more interesting, but I’m already dreading all the stupid memes that will clog up the tubes.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    Man the kick was completed. Why do over kick? I get that you have to deter future illegal conduct, fine. But an extra five yards? You’re already getting a second kick!

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Svensker: Oh yeah!

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    TaMara (BHF) says:

    @dance around in your bones: Oh, yeah. A nice butt in nice jeans, nothing better. It’s just, well, I don’t normally go around looking at their package, I’m old fashioned that way. But if you’re gonna dress them up in that nice gold and black spandex, how can I not?

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Hope SF pulls a stop. I live for close SBs

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @TaMara (BHF):

    Yeah, I don’t usually tell guys that’s my main reason for watching football. It’s my little secret. Go…whomever!

    HD rocks in that respect.

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    Suzanne says:

    @TaMara (BHF): I think it’s rive gauche that I can see their panty lines. Every one of them appears to have serious VPL. TURNOFF.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Btw, who did the oddsmakers pick?

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    chopper says:

    damn that was some good D.

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    The Sailor says:

    @Full Metal Wingnut: Kickers are very vulnerable. It should have been a personal foul & 15 yards.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Full Metal Wingnut:

    Why do over kick? I get that you have to deter future illegal conduct, fine. But an extra five yards? You’re already getting a second kick!

    Umm… There are these things called “rules,” many of which involve punishments for playing outside the “rules,” called “penalties.” Which are also defined in the “rules.”
    It could easily have been called a 15-yard personal foul, which would have meant a first down.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Sure thing praying field goal! How is that not cheating using performance enhancing dieties?

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Still a 1-score game. In Kaepernick I trust my entertainment factor.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    @PsiFighter37: I would love to see an OT SB, but in almost fifty games, not a one. WTH?

    On the other hand, FG for the Ravens, so OT still a possibility.

    [Edit – oops, eight point game, not seven. Ah, well…]

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    Suffern ACE says:

    So the national farmer association is taking out ads?

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    Badmoodman says:

    Paul Harvey! ‘Mericun Cars!!

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    LanceThruster says:

    God made farmers?

    Obama was right (God, guns, and gays).

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    Cassidy says:

    And God decided that we needed someone to collect lots of money in subsidies, complain about the size of gov’t and vote for people who would block bills in congress that provided for the aforementioned subsides, so God made a farmer.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Ok, what’s with the “ode to the farmer” on a truck commercial?? I bet 90% of the folks who drive a Dodge Ram pickup have nothing to do with a farm.

    never mind, I know the answer. Sigh.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Suffern ACE: @Badmoodman:

    Paul Harvey! ‘Mericun Cars!!

    God that ad made me want to puke. I have nothing against farmers (I like food, after all), but Zombie Paul Harvey? Invoking god to sell trucks? Fuck them and the Dodge they rode in on.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Cassidy:

    xD

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    The Sailor says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    “Yeah, I don’t usually tell guys that’s my main reason for watching football. It’s my little secret. Go…whomever!”

    I had a GF who knew the name of every center in the NFL and could identify them without seeing their jerseys. And she didn’t even like football.

    I love guys butts

    and you cannot lie.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Jesus, the Niners are abusing the Ravens D

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Suzanne:

    Its actually their jock strap – not sure if that makes it hotter or notter. If it helps imagine that there is no butt panel between those 2 straps you can see – because there isn’t, its just 2 straps. ;)

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    The Dangerman says:

    @efgoldman:

    …Zombie Paul Harvey.

    I’m waiting for Zombie Rod Serling; this has been a strange fucking game.

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    PeakVT says:

    What a night. Two different games for the price of one.

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    Fluke bucket says:

    Wow!

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Holy fucking shit, he is FAST

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    chopper says:

    Now this is turning into a game.

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    efgoldman says:

    HO
    LY
    SHIT

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    Suzanne says:

    @Schlemizel: That makes it just as gross. They should wear some Spanx under that shit.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    I loved how that truck ad was such a moving tribute to the migrant farm worker—oh, wait.

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    Cassidy says:

    Now that’s a QB who woke up today and said “I’m scoring a TD myself, dammit.”

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    efgoldman says:

    They should have been ready for a blitz on the two-pointer.

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    The Dangerman says:

    29 for Baltimore should have laid that QB out; he pulled up pretty early after the TD.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    They should have a play drawn up on. Suicide blitz like that.

    Nevertheless, that was a ridiculous display of speed. Wow

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    Schlemizel says:

    Randy Moss just not feelin’ like playin’?

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    Donut says:

    Jeebus, that Kaepernick kid’s legs are so long, he covers tons of ground before the defense can even start to react. It’s nuts.

    I had a three hour layover at the Baltimore airport today, the mood was downright festive when I got on my plane to NY in the first quarter.

    I don’t think they are quite so jovial there now.

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    LanceThruster says:

    It’s clearly worth all the concussions.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @The Sailor: So, she recognized their buttprints? That’s an awesome talent!

    I usually get so distracted by the butts that I forget to read the jerseys. Don’t judge me harshly.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Suzanne:

    Sorry – knew it could go either way but I was hoping it would be helpfull

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Dangerman:

    29 for Baltimore should have laid that QB out; he pulled up pretty early after the TD.

    He shouldn’t even be in the game. In the first half scrum after the Reed interception he threw at least two punches at somebody on the ground, then pushed a zebra after he got up. Should have been two fifteen-yarders and an ejection.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    Sly Stallone’s mom could read your fortune by your butt print. Such diversity of talent.

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    RSA says:

    So God made a farmer… You’d think He wouldn’t make the farmer miserable by killing off his livestock and such afterwards, but who am I to judge?

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    Badmoodman says:

    God made a farmer, and the government made farm subsidies.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @efgoldman:

    Should have been two fifteen-yarders and an ejection.

    Refs have cleaned up the game nicely; all that early testosterone/chippiness has disappeared.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @LanceThruster: Uh, really? Is there proof of that?

    Maybe I could send her a buttprint and see. (Jeez, I hope she’s still alive so I don’t seem like an insensitive jerk.)

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    The Sailor says:

    Power was restored to the network’s sideline crew and viewers were forced to endure Bill Cowher and Shannon Sharpe discussing topics such as whether Alex Smith should replace Colin Kaepernick.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....i/1889009/

    [ETA]Phil Simms is a moron.

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    Misterpuff says:

    And so Joe Montana made the farmer…..

    Go Ravens!

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    Baud says:

    Ravens are ballsy, I’ll give them that.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    You could send it to me and I’ll give it a shot. I’m working towards my accredidation.

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    Badmoodman says:

    NEVER go for the 2-pt conversion until you have to. Nev.Er.
    If Balt scores a TD the 49ers will be down two scores instead of one.

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    cckids says:

    OK, the Tide ad with the Montana stain made me laff. And I agree with the hate for the farmer ad. I grew up in Nebraska, I’ve known lots of farmers. Mostly, fuck’em

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Awful penalty

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    The Dangerman says:

    Well, Akers/Norwood shanked one, but the mulligan might be the game (since Baltimore’s D looks depleted).

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Does SF score a touchdown for a win?

    Either way, whoever bets on the Ravens covered the spread.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Corner Stone: Apparently, the “You’re Fired” douchebag has already tweeted words to that effect.

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    Badmoodman says:

    An ad for a car that goes on sale in September this year? Ad money well spent.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @LanceThruster: Uh, I’ll pass (no Xerox machine handy), but thanks anyway :)

    I see the Rolling Stones have sold out once again for a freaking commercial.

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    @Badmoodman: OTOH, if the SF D steps up and holds the damned crows to a field goal….

    Now we get to see if 4 minutes and two time-outs is sufficient for the ‘Niners to win a Super Bowl.

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    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    @efgoldman: Eh I know that. Suck my fucking cock. I just think they’re overly punitive sometimes. There should be deterrence, but not a windfall for the other side.

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    ruemara says:

    These games go on for a really long time.

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    Badmoodman says:

    Niners need to milk the clock. They’ll score too soon.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Just punishing the Ravens D. Someone hand Ray Lewis some deer antler spray

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    Gravenstone says:

    SF is gonna leave too much time for Baltimore to respond.

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    gian says:

    @efgoldman: after the first half of this game if i was a coach at next year’s game id tell the players they won’t get ejected for playing dirty. I have no idea which team was dirtier overall. However shoving a ref is just not OK

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    efgoldman says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    I see the Rolling Stones have sold out once again for a freaking commercial.

    Its possible they don’t own the usage rights to the song. The rights to most of the Beatles’ songs, for instance, have been sold and resold.

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    efgoldman says:

    WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING POST GAME SHOW!

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    Ugh, I hate being a Baltimore fan. Ever since the 7th game of the 1979 World Series, I expect them to lose. Even when they were up tonight 28 to 6.

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    PeakVT says:

    Go for it!

    ETA: Incomplete! Wow!

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    Badmoodman says:

    Here’s the game.

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    Badmoodman says:

    I HATE that fade pass play at the goal line.

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    efgoldman says:

    yup. someone told the zebras before the game to let everything go.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The man was mugged. BS that the idiot zebras did not call that.

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    Badmoodman says:

    You knew one of the Harbaughs would end this game whining.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    Game over, man. Game over.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Those dumb TOs cost the Niners.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Badmoodman:

    I HATE that fade pass play at the goal line

    They have this marvelous tool, and they didn’t even try any of the possibilities with Kaepernivck.

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    Eric says:

    I hate the Niners and Harbaugh, but that was holding, they got robbed

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The man was mugged.

    Good no call (Crabtree was pushing off, too).

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @efgoldman:

    You may be right, but (see here) I’d always heard Mick Jagger was a rather savvy businessman.

    I still remember being startled when Start Me Up was used in a commercial (not that I thought it was a great song or whatever).

    The weirdest was Janis Joplin’s “Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz” – that really shocked me, and I figured she was spinning in her grave to see it used AS a Mercedes Benz commercial.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Oh and the refs have been mediocre overall this game

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    I actually liked the farmer commercial. I thought it was well-made. I’ve liked the deal with devil and the voodoo guy commercials too-good characters. But some real cringeworthy ones this year too.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Snoozefest, like every other football game I’ve ever been obligated to sit through.

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    lol chikinburd says:

    Perfect. Now everyone’s unhappy.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Badmoodman:

    Well, that was pretty much a given, was it not?

    Oh, to be a fly in the wall at the next family get together.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @Badmoodman:
    That’s one scenerio.

    Bad non-call or no?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    I still remember being startled when Start Me Up was used in a commercial (not that I thought it was a great song or whatever).

    For Windows 95.

    You know, back in the age of dinosaurs!

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    efgoldman says:

    @PsiFighter37:

    Oh and the refs have been mediocre overall this game

    No they haven’t. Mediocre means average, without distinction. They have been awful.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Football people: i am trying to record elementary (to theoretically start at 9 central time after the Super Bowl). I extended it an extra hour (thru 11pm central) Will the post game stuff be over by ten central?

    Edit: I guess that’s in 15 minutes, so probably not. How about in 45 minutes?

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @efgoldman:

    Its possible they don’t own the usage rights to the song their souls.

    Someone hadda go there.

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    Zippity says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: No kidding-and you have Phil Simms saying that Crabtree was pushing off. He was trying to get the guy to stop hugging hm.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    I think that safety means the Niners cover. I mean it did make sense for the Ravens, but as if the conspiracy nuts didn’t already have enough to talk about.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    Punter in the end zone reminded me of the football game in the movie M*A*S*H. Comical, but still, damn effective.

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    Badmoodman says:

    I would say family gatherings with the Harbaugh families may be a bit awkward for some time.

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    PeakVT says:

    Impressive comeback by SF (without a doubt enabled by the power outage), but it wasn’t enough.

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    gbear says:

    @lol chikinburd: As a Minnesotan, I’m happy. Randy Moss doesn’t get a superbowl ring. Did he head for the showers before the game was over?

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    Well that was kind of a sad way to end the game. I’d have preferred a SF score followed by a desperate drive by the Ravens. Sort of like the first Patriots-Giants Super Bowl.

    But, have to give it up for the Ravens. They beat ’em on that last drive when they kept them from scoring.

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    Badmoodman says:

    Fuck Ray Lewis.

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    Donut says:

    @efgoldman:

    I guarantee you that Jagger/Richards control their publishing. The Beatles’ situation was self-inflicted. Lennon/McCartney sold their rights to a publisher, in like ’63, probably at the time they thought they should take the dough while the getting was good. They both kept a significant percenage of the rights, but not enough to control what happened down the road. Anyway, the publisher eventually sold the company and therefore the Beatles lost majority control of the publishing.

    Lennon’s estate and McCartney both still receive royalties as songwriters. All Beatle members and/or estates also get mechanicals on actual units sold. That alone is worth truckloads of cash.

    I don’t understand how it is perceived as “selling out” when the music has always been for sale in so many different ways.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Oopsie; first F-bomb from Flacco.

    ETA: It may have been “I’m fucking going to Disneyland”.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Badmoodman:

    “Hey, Jim, could you pass the Super Bowl trophy-I mean, the salt?”

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    “Fuckin’ awesome!” =oD

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    @Spaghetti Lee:

    San Francisco was favored by 4 and 4-1/2

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    Baud says:

    I was hoping to see the unrushed field goal attempt. That sounded awesome.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @James E. Powell:

    Oops, got it backwards. Never mind.

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    @Donut:

    I don’t understand how it is perceived as “selling out” when the music has always been for sale in so many different ways.

    It’s a residual of the 60s, when the movement and the music were one.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Yep! Win95. And here it is, the savvy Jagger starting a trend of using Stone’s music for redunkolous prices.

    Well, what the hell.

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    LanceThruster says:

    I remember the LA Rams of old being exciting win or lose, but I also liked the George Allen maxim of telling his team to play so decisively that bad calls cannot take you out of the game.

    Easier said than done.

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    The Dangerman says:

    BTW, for those experiencing Ray Lewis hate, I went back and read the trial transcripts. It was fairly clear he was guilty of obstruction of justice (as charged), not murder.

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    FridayNext says:

    Someone in this space 2 weeks ago said the 49ers would crush The Ravens. How’s that prediction working out for you?

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    lol chikinburd says:

    @gbear: For this Packer fan, that exact thing is what I’m happiest about. I should further add that BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

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    max says:

    I woulda thought SF would’ve called fair catch and either gone for the field goal (wildly unlikely) or give the back to the offense for a Hail Mary. Hoping for a runback never works.

    Oh, well. WOOO! I figured the Ravens were DOOMED after Cole picked them.

    max
    [‘Phew.’]

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    Nom de Plume says:

    Congratulations, Cole, the Steelers are still the only team with 6 rings. And they needed help from the refs both times.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    [rubbing thumb and forefinger together] How much redunkolous we talking about?

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Fuck Ray Lewis.

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    MikeBoyScout says:

    @Nom de Plume: You keep whining about the refs and Stiller fans will keep visiting those 6 trophies. I think that’s a fair exchange.

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    Eric says:

    Dangerman,

    There is also the fact that a 37 year old just came back in 10 weeks from an injury that usually takes 6 months, it was already suspect and then his name is tied to a con man that sells PEDs, but no one wants to talk about that…

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    I guess godaddy doesn’t have enough hate so why not show that fucking abortion again.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    Can Obama just drone bomb the Go Daddy HQ, already? I promise not to get all firebaggy butthurt about it. Promise!!

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @dance around in your bones: This kinda redunkolous:

    The Sun, a national tabloid, reported that lead singer Mick Jagger set a price of $12 million.

    “When Microsoft approached Mick, he quoted a ludicrous amount of money thinking they would turn him down,” an unidentified Stones source was quoted as telling the newspaper. “To his surprise they agreed almost immediately.”

    Have no idea if that 12 mil was actually paid.

    eta: oops, that was a reply to Lance Thruster. I blame the vodka/orange juice. Or the Superbowl. Or Obama, what the hell.

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    LanceThruster says:

    The refs are a part of the game also, too.

    At least they weren’t scab refs, no?

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Eric:

    There is also the fact that a 37 year old just came back in 10 weeks from an injury that usually takes 6 months…

    If there’s proof, let it come out; right now, it’s all supposition and smoke, not much fire.

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    MikeJ says:

    If only Omar were alive to see it.

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    patrick II says:

    @Donut:

    Early in his career, Michael Jackson asked Paul McCartney for some investment advice. McCartney told him to invest in something he knew. When the early Beatle songs came up for sale Jackson outbid McCartney for them and I don’t think McCartney ever forgave him.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    For Windows 95.

    I guess Under My Thumb was a little too on the nose for Microsoft.

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    Donut says:

    @James E. Powell:

    Which is a bunch of bull – fucking – shit. Music is a business and the companies in that business do what companies do – try to make as much money as they possibly can.

    I used to make a living playing in a rock band. Touring, recording. Everything is for sale in the music biz, always has been, always will be. Selling physicl product is not quite the money-making juggernaut it used to be, but it’s still pretty lucrative for a certain number of people.

    Jagger/Richards never showed up to a gig just for the fuck of it. Nobody does. Even if you’re only making gas money to get to the next town, with just enough left over to hit up the closest Taco Bell, which is how most of my mostly less-than-illustrious career went, you still got to get paid something.

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    Narcissus says:

    Little did we know that when Dr. King talked of “reaching the Mountaintop”, he meant the Superdome

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    Nom de Plume says:

    @MikeBoyScout: Eh, the Niners still have 5 trophies of their own to visit. They’ll get by. I was actually trying to cheer up Cole, because I know Stillers fans hate the Ravens more than life itself.

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    BethanyAnne says:

    Blah. I wanted the Niners to win, but even more, I wanted Ray Lewis to lose. Feh.

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    Donut says:

    @Donut:

    Also, too: many of your favorite bands and musicians are incorporated, or at least organized into LLCs. Very few of them file their taxes as Sole Proprietors. That alone tells you that musicians seek the same protections and rights that any other corporation or partnership seeks, in any other business space. Just sayin.

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    MikeJ says:

    Still waiting to hear a Fugazi song over a commercial.

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    Suzanne says:

    Beyonce was the best part of tonight. I still want to be Beyonce when I grow up.

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    Raven says:

    I won $25 in my own pool and people loved the tamales. Half the crowd watched Downton Abby in the other living room and were shocked when they turned it back on.

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    rda909 says:

    Loud and proud Republican Jim Harbaugh lost the Super Bowl for San Francisco. What a freaking douche. You have 4 tries within the 10 yard line and never try one, one misdirection with blocking scheme for Kapper to run it in. Colin is truly unstoppable (ask the Packers) when given enough space. Jim Harbaugh doesn’t give him one, single chance to run it in on his athleticism. Typical Republican…FAIL!

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    MikeJ says:

    @Raven: The only time I ever get home made tamales is when I’m dating a Salvadoran girl with a granny nearby.

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    @The Dangerman:

    BTW, for those experiencing Ray Lewis hate, I went back and read the trial transcripts. It was fairly clear he was guilty of obstruction of justice (as charged), not murder.

    Thank you. I’ve been making that point for a number of years, but I never get anywhere with it. The prosecutors charged him to force him to cooperate.

    Also too, as I understand what happened, it was a bar fight. Hard to say who started it.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @rda909:

    Loud and proud how so?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Raven: That makes all your hard work on the tamales worth it! Hope you saved one a couple for me.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @The Dangerman: so, he helped other people get away with murder. That’s a LOT better.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    Well that Super Bowl happened.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @James E. Powell:

    Hard to say who started it.

    Not really; per the evidence, one of the Dudes that eventually dies attacked one of the Lewis party with a bottle (and another of the party of those that died was packing as there was a shot at the limo as it was going away).

    Not saying it justifies the killings, but the evidence was fairly clear that the aggressors were the ones that eventually had two of their own killed.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    Did Lewis ascend directly into heaven after the game? I think I missed that.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    So, he helped other people get away with murder.

    That’s actually a bit of a stretch, especially since he turned into a witness for the State.

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    Closeted epistemic (formerly Lojasmo) says:

    That ended up pretty exciting. I thought the niners would pull it off untill the last couple minutes. Oh well.

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    @Donut:

    Donut, man, I was kidding.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Will no one rid us of this almost 300 comment thread? Surely there must be a Front Pager awake and alive so we can get through the night?

    Ok, I sound pathetic. But sometimes I can’t sleep and one thing I can usually rely on is middle of the night BJ threads to read.

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    Donut says:

    @MikeJ:

    Ha.

    Fugazi is always held up (often by ignorant fans) as this awesome standard that bands should be held to, for some stupid purity bullshit reasons. They are a unique band, in every way. Literally, they are the one in a million that could do what they do, how they do it. Good for them, but their way is unworkable for most musicians, IMO.

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    Thlayli says:

    The Niners tied the SB record for highest point total in a loss, set by the 1978 Cowboys who lost 35-31 to somebody or other.

    The Niners and Giants are a combined 0-2 against the Ravens and 9-0 against everyone else.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    You know what everyone who’s not a football nut is going to remember, that damned Paul Harvey/Dodge Ram commercial. It’s already all over my FB.

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    Donut says:

    @James E. Powell:

    I know. I’m kinda drunk, and alone in a hotel on Long Island. Sorry. I’ll shut up now

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    I see the Rolling Stones have sold out once again for a freaking commercial.

    I’ve knocked around in fine art for years. Quite often an artist is branded as a sellout when he or she starts making decent money for their work.

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    Donut says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    On a fucking unicorn, shooting hearts and rainbows from his asscrack

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @rda909: No doubt about it. Inside the 10, they should be doing read option every time.

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    @The Dangerman:

    Yeah, I read that, too, but chose not to mention it because I’ve been in this argument too many times. By “started it” I did not mean who struck the first blow that anyone recalls. It seems like something going on inside moved outside. So I can’t say for sure what was going on or where the blame lies.

    And another thing. I am not a lawyer in Georgia and I have never read their statutes, but a bar fight is usually manslaughter, not murder. What’s up with that?

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    @rda909:

    Totally agree. All four play calls were strange. Why rollout? The end zone is small enough without cutting it in half. And on fourth down you aren’t ready for the all out blitz? Whether it was recklessness or hubris, the Football Gods were not amused.

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    Cermet says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Now THAT is funny! As a Raven’s fan the humor gets old on that issue but every now then, someone does make a gem.

    Sorry SF for your loss – the better team won this year.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:

    I get your point, but I have been under the impression that The Rolling Stones have made some beaucoup bucks over the years with their music. I mean, it’s not like they are some obscure garage band from Nowheresville.

    Not that I begrudge them making the mucho dinero – it’s just a bit jarring to me to see music from my youth sold to the highest commercial bidder.

    It meant something back in the day and now it’s a commercial? Maybe it’s just me.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @James E. Powell:

    …but a bar fight is usually manslaughter, not murder.

    Your pushing the limits of my knowledge here, but the not-Lewis Party was never in the bar. There was an altercation outside the bar (that was broken up) and the Lewis Party was entering the Limousine when they were jumped. It was the second altercation where things went to shit.

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    Mark S. says:

    Flacco had a real good game, but Jacoby Jones should’ve won the MVP.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @Cermet: I’m not even really mad about the Niners loss. A little disappointed, sure, but they’re probably third on the list for me on the sports team list.

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    Jay C says:

    Yo! Late to the chat, but I was busy: watching a football game, I think…
    SB XLVII was definitely one of the lesser-interesting ones of late: two mediocre games in one (as has been noted) – says something when a half-hour power outage is the most interesting thing about the game: Beyonce was OK as the halftime gig: nowhere near as good as Madonna last year, though IMHO: few decent commercials (Zombie Paul Smarmy Harvey? Oh, puh-leeeze!!) Overall, a C- at best.

    One good thing: we had some friends come over, so we got a (quite small) Super Bowl party this year after all: One PITA: CBS didn’t start “Elementary” til 11:18 ET, so I had to wait up and manually record and re-set the bastard: better than relying on TiVo for everything, I guess.

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    James Hare says:

    @dance around in your bones:
    Try listening to popular music today — it’s pretty much immediately in a commercial. At least the Stones selling their music for commercials doesn’t involve touring long past when they should have stopped.

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    hilts says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    John Densmore on the temptation for bands to sell out
    http://www.thenation.com/node/22838

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @James Hare:

    At least the Stones selling their music for commercials doesn’t involve touring long past when they should have stopped.

    Heh heh, good one.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    My generation has figured out a way to avoid that: make music that meant nothing and was worth nothing to begin with.

    I mean honestly, I can get kinda weird about commercialization sometimes, but it’s not like your enjoyment of the music is retroactively ruined. FTR, I thought that was one of the better commercials-good production values and such. At least your song wasn’t used by GoDaddy.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    I guess I grew up in a generation that – at least to ME – felt like the musicians we listened to and loved were like US – you know, dirty fucking hippies. I guess I will sound like a naive whatever, but the music seemed to spring from the people (before it got taken over by the record companies and corporations) and it belonged to US in a way.

    This is not to deny any musicians their just compensation for their hard work and innovation, not at all. It’s just jarring for someone of my generation to hear some of these songs used as a way to sell stuff.

    I guess I sound crazy, but it was an ethos, in it’s own way.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @dance around in your bones: It was always already taken over by the record companies and corporations. It was music made to sell to paying customers. “Payola” dates to the 1950s.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Donut:

    I know. I’m kinda drunk, and alone in a hotel on Long Island.

    Good God. Please don’t do anything stupid. There are people that love you, I’m sure. I seem to recall a mention of a great rack.
    You have reasons to live! To live!!

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    Yutsano says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: That one is great! It pictured a bunch of real Merikans all right: CANADIAN FARMERS!!

    (Watch it again. There’s stuff about Ontario all through it.)

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    Donut says:

    @hilts:

    Densmore is a millionaire many many times over because zillions of people around the world paid his record company a lot of money to buy his records, and paid him a lot of money to watch him play live, and paid lots of money to him for the privilege of owning a t-shirt or a poster that says, “the Doors” on it. Whatever. It’s good for him he’s got the money in the bank to be able to say “no” when someone wants to license a song. His choice. I support that, but I don’t support judging every artist by the same standard.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Oh gawd, I know that – but in the 60’s and 70’s it ‘felt’ different. Like I said, perhaps I am naive, but it seems to me that the music sprang up from the people (not micromanaged by record companies) somewhat in the way that punk/grunge/rap did before they were seized upon and taken over.

    I could be entirely wrong, but that’s how it felt to me at the time. Hell, maybe teenagers felt the same way about Frank Sinatra for all I know.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Donut: Also, The Doors suck like a bilge pump.

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    Corner Stone says:

    That little rat bastard Scaepernick. If he never opens his stupid falsetto speaking mouth again I’ll be ok with that.
    He sounds like the voice actor for the piggy on the GEICO commercials.

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    rda909 says:

    @James E. Powell: Against the Packers, he didn’t just beat the the rushing record for playoff yardage….he shattered it for THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF ALL NFL GAMES. In addition, Kap has an incredibly accurate arm, and is clearly a transcendental quarterback. Jim Harbaugh has been wasting this talent the last couple of games, yet they’ve still won or almost won (today). If Kap was used properly, the 49er games wouldn’t even be close. If I owned the 49ers, Jim Harbaugh would’ve been fired before he ever left the Superdome today.

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    Donut says:

    @Corner Stone:

    The owner of the rack is, like, a thousand miles away right now. I’m in bed with the a/c cranked, even though it’s like 20 degrees outside, because it’s always weirdly hot in this hotel. That’s as dangerous as it’ll get, man. I’m gonna be okay. Really okay.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @dance around in your bones: I think the difference was that record companies cared a little more about the quality of their product. (Probably because they were enjoying a drug and sex-fueled lifestyle that made them less concerned about short-term ROI.) So IMHO it was less that it was noncommercial–far from it–but that it was commerce aimed at making quirky and interesting stuff. Book publishers used to have a similar ethos. Maybe less sex, though.

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    Donut says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Thank you. I’ve always fucking hated that band.

    Manzarek did an awesome job producing the first X records, though, I’ll give him that.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    I think that’s one of those things that everyone thinks was better when they were a teenager and experiencing it for the first time. (And I’m not trying to be snotty-I do that myself a lot, and on certain subjects I will never be convinced I’m not objectively right.) I mean I don’t know a hell of a lot about pop music history, but Elvis and the Beatles both had every possible thing you could imagine licensed with their image-posters, toys, etc. Industry execs bossing musicians around to record this or wear that wasn’t invented in 1980.

    And I’m not trying to criticize you. I’d prefer to have been around in the 70’s. Nowadays it seems like pop stars have no illusions they’re making anything but completely disposable product, and it shows-most of it is crap. Like Donut said, music is a business and stars expect to get paid, so eventually you’re going to see the ugly side of the coin surface in terms of commercialism, but I’d rather have that than a coin where both sides are the ugly side.

    It’s really bizarre when you think about it. Even in the 80’s, albums like Synchronicity and Gabriel’s So hit number one, and that’s some relatively intelligent stuff. Our standards sure have fallen far in the meantime. I don’t mind stupid pop music, but that doesn’t mean it has to actively try to be as stupid as it can.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @rda909: one of the announcers pointed out, and I thought it was actually interesting, that Kaepernick doesn’t work very fast. I am super impressed with his speed and his arm accuracy. I don’t think he has (yet?) great football instincts, though.

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    Donut says:

    I need sleep. Screw you all, I’m outta here.

    I say that with all kinds of anonymous Internet love in my heart.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Doors rock.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Donut: X! Been a while since i saw them get a mention. I still have a tape of _Los Angeles_ somewhere in my parents’ house.

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    LanceThruster says:

    So do old Stones.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Yeah, I don’t get why so many people hate the Doors. The response I often hear is that Morrison is pretentious, I guess as opposed to all those subtle, understated rock stars out there.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: people love to hate Coldplay, but they’re almost direct descendants of that Police/U2 middlebrow rock lineage. I think Thom Yorke would hate being told this, but Radiohead is like that too. But there’s also a factor at work: how many people still even buy whole albums anymore? I feel like we swung back to singles, which accounts for a lot of that feeling of froth and frivolity crowding out Ye Artistic Ambition.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Do you really think the record companies cared more about the quality of their product or that it would sell well? I just can’t shake the impression that I got (admittedly shaped by my age and time) that the music sprang up on it’s own and was later taken over by music companies. I suppose it was ever thus.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    And U2 gets a lot of haters too, and Radiohead in certain circles. I’m going to sound like an absolute snob here (I like all three bands) but I think some of it is resentment, sublimated and redirected in various ways, that they’re trying for something more than ass-shaking music, and lots of people get nervous when something doesn’t appeal to the lowest common denominator. Lots of smart people get nervous when something popular doesn’t appeal to the lowest common denominator, because they’re in danger of losing their cred, as well as having a trash culture to compare themselves positiviely to.

    Totally agree about the album/single thing by the way. Not that there wasn’t smart pop music before the mid-60’s, but I think there’s a pretty big correlation between the rise and fall of both the intelligent pop song and the album.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Oh gawd, I loved X. Saw them live many times in the LA/SD area. Still one of my favorite bands.

    ETA: The combination of John Doe and Exene Cervenka’s voices is one of the greatest duos ever.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @dance around in your bones: I think there were more people working in the music business who believed in making money by nurturing talent and putting out interesting-sounding stuff, and would stand behind personal favorites and freaks and weirdos even when they weren’t pulling in buckets of cash–not out of the goodness of their hearts but because they thought it would make them more buckets of cash later. But there were always pop stars who copied one another and churned out songs about pretty girls and dancing, and always more of them than people trying to innovate.

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    hilts says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    Frank Zappa explains the decline of the music business
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    You make a lot of good points (I’m trying to watch Downton Abbey while replying to this endless thread, so excuse me if my reasoning is facile) – I guess I just think my era was different in some way. A lot of experimentation and innovation going on independent of the record companies who later throttled the same. Or perhaps the record companies were more forgiving of that experimentation in the hope of making the big bucks eventually.

    Gads. What the hell do I know?

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    See, you just said what I meant better than I said it.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Badmoodman:

    Paul Harvey! ‘Mericun Cars!!

    The combo of the Jeep and Ram ads makes me think that the Italians at the top of Chrysler Group LLC want to be very clear that they’re making American cars for Americans in America that are American. Perhaps a little too much.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Goddam, do I miss the small-ish indies (Elektra, Island), the artist-owned (Reprise) or artist-run (Apple, Rolling Stones) and major-owned-niche-labels-given-over-to-good-A&R-people (IRS)! They did nurture and grow acts. Today it’s all run-it-through-the-algorithm-to-determine-if-it’s-LCD-enough-to-make-us-boatloads-of-cash-instantly.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    That ad’s been raked over the coals here but I liked it. I think it was actually pretty dignified, and I don’t think it was fake. I mean the message was pretty much ‘being a farmer is hard as shit-have the right tools to get through it.’ That’s not exactly an obvious cheap money-grab, I don’t think. Anyway, it was more interesting than the groin-shots and softcore peepshows.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @hilts:

    I’m sure you will never see this, but thank you for that link. Zappa rocked in all the ways a person can rock.

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